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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 12:00 PM
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19. I'm not a huge fan of "sin" taxes, but I can live with them. n/t
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  -I've got an issue with universal healthcare Mythsaje  Aug-14-07 11:04 AM   #0 
  - Such people simply DO NOT want universal healthcare....  BlooInBloo   Aug-14-07 11:05 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, I get that feeling myself.  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 11:08 AM   #2 
  - Canada's system is fair: charge high sales taxes on everything & a quarterly  wordpix   Aug-14-07 11:11 AM   #3 
  - How much is a "high sales tax"? I knew Canadians are rumored to  napi21   Aug-14-07 01:45 PM   #50 
  - I heard some Canadians say they paid 35% to 40% in taxes. Sounds like the US to me.  Vincardog   Aug-14-07 02:47 PM   #66 
     - OK, I looked it up. Check out the rates.  napi21   Aug-14-07 04:10 PM   #82 
        - You are only adding the Federal income tax on our side. What about STATE income and Sales tax?  Vincardog   Aug-15-07 03:14 PM   #100 
  - A sales tax is the most regressive tax possible. It does hit the poor the hardest  WI_DEM   Aug-14-07 03:03 PM   #70 
     - That problem could easily be cured the same way lots of States do, by  napi21   Aug-14-07 03:41 PM   #74 
     - Yeah...but if your really poor (make under a certain amount), you get some of that money back.  Evoman   Aug-15-07 02:39 PM   #98 
  - I agree with you. For many years (about 22), my former employer, IBM, paid all of my health  sinkingfeeling   Aug-14-07 11:12 AM   #4 
  - Funny  ayeshahaqqiqa   Aug-14-07 11:16 AM   #8 
  - And If ...  Crisco   Aug-14-07 11:40 AM   #13 
     - You know,  ayeshahaqqiqa   Aug-14-07 01:59 PM   #53 
  - I'm thinking you've since woken up from your feeling "cheated"?  FormerRushFan   Aug-14-07 11:18 AM   #9 
  - Yes and no. Because of the possibility that I could get cancer or a heart  sinkingfeeling   Aug-14-07 11:48 AM   #15 
  - It's a risk pool  treestar   Aug-14-07 02:41 PM   #63 
  - karma  IronLionZion   Aug-14-07 04:03 PM   #75 
  - Because that's how insurance works..especially group coverage  SoCalDem   Aug-15-07 12:31 AM   #92 
  - I get pissed off by this fascist attitude as well...  FormerRushFan   Aug-14-07 11:12 AM   #5 
  - Any health care plan should include wellness education  Bluzmann57   Aug-14-07 11:15 AM   #6 
  - This is generally true  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 11:33 AM   #11 
  - It is most emphatically NOT only the poor that "take drugs".  BlooInBloo   Aug-14-07 11:53 AM   #17 
  - That is quite an assumption, isn't it? n/t  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:01 PM   #20 
  - Ok ok. I fucked up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bluzmann57   Aug-14-07 12:23 PM   #29 
     - Perfection isn't required...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:28 PM   #37 
  - True  Bluzmann57   Aug-14-07 12:22 PM   #28 
  - as obvious as it seems, many people still need to be told to take care of themselves  IronLionZion   Aug-14-07 04:11 PM   #83 
  - The nanny state needs to be dismantled  Warpy   Aug-14-07 11:16 AM   #7 
  - i agree with your nanny crit -- single payer is the only fair solution.  nashville_brook   Aug-14-07 11:27 AM   #10 
  - Universal health care means universal.  JDPriestly   Aug-14-07 11:33 AM   #12 
  - Mythsaje, the cravings for nicotine  shimmergal   Aug-14-07 11:46 AM   #14 
  - What's to flame?  LWolf   Aug-14-07 11:52 AM   #16 
  - What you are describing ISN'T Universal Health Care  supernova   Aug-14-07 11:57 AM   #18 
  - I'm not a huge fan of "sin" taxes, but I can live with them. n/t  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:00 PM   #19 
  - Well, I'll agree they're not "nice"  supernova   Aug-14-07 12:20 PM   #27 
     - Or you can look at it as taking advantage of peoples' weakness  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:24 PM   #30 
        - Or you could brew your own  supernova   Aug-14-07 12:28 PM   #38 
           - A friend of mine used to brew beer...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:29 PM   #39 
              - I've looked at making brandies  supernova   Aug-14-07 12:56 PM   #45 
  - What do you mean by "equally"? We don't all pay the same in taxes, do we?  FormerRushFan   Aug-14-07 12:20 PM   #26 
     - We do with the FICA tax.  endarkenment   Aug-14-07 12:26 PM   #32 
     - rate or amount - that's the question - what's "equally"?  FormerRushFan   Aug-14-07 12:42 PM   #42 
        - Well FICA is the odd example  endarkenment   Aug-14-07 01:44 PM   #49 
           - I just believe that the principle should include the details...  FormerRushFan   Aug-14-07 03:22 PM   #72 
              - I agree with every damn thing you just said.  endarkenment   Aug-15-07 02:02 PM   #97 
     - The "genetic disposition" part is specifically the precedent that  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:28 PM   #35 
     - again, if you study Canada's system, it's fair in this regard--sales tax + a premium based on income  wordpix   Aug-14-07 12:28 PM   #36 
     - Don't be pedantic  supernova   Aug-14-07 12:32 PM   #40 
        - I'm sorry, I was an accountant, and different people mean different things with the same word.  FormerRushFan   Aug-14-07 12:48 PM   #43 
  - What you are describing is NOT universal health care  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 12:04 PM   #21 
  - Which is exactly why we need to address the point ourselves  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:15 PM   #23 
  - Universal health care = equality of access...  warren pease   Aug-14-07 12:14 PM   #22 
  - Which is how it should be...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 12:16 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, and how it is throughout much of the modern world...  warren pease   Aug-14-07 12:52 PM   #44 
  - i don't see any freaking high taxes on cake, candy, cookies, soda pop, etc. n/t  NotGivingUp   Aug-14-07 02:05 PM   # 
  - I think plenty of people have pointed out that you're not describing  missb   Aug-14-07 12:20 PM   #25 
  - Canada has NO SUCH restrictions  Canuckistanian   Aug-14-07 12:25 PM   #31 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-14-07 12:26 PM   #33 
  - And what's your opinion, GB?  Canuckistanian   Aug-14-07 12:33 PM   #41 
  - How can "progressives" advocate a sin tax? A regressive sales tax?  TahitiNut   Aug-14-07 12:27 PM   #34 
  - Absolutely!  bobbolink   Aug-14-07 01:40 PM   #47 
  - You're absolutely right. I don't need no stinkin' health care.  bobbolink   Aug-14-07 12:58 PM   #46 
  - You are not describing universal health care  Bjornsdotter   Aug-14-07 01:42 PM   #48 
  - As I've said before, trying to single out various unhealthy lifestyle "sins" in such a case would be  impeachdubya   Aug-14-07 01:50 PM   #51 
  - I wish I could feel sorry for smokers.  SmokingJacket   Aug-14-07 01:57 PM   #52 
  - NOW they do...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 02:05 PM   #56 
     - Okay, I'll amend that.  SmokingJacket   Aug-14-07 06:03 PM   #90 
  - Universal health care is FREE for ALL. What do you mean "charge"?  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-14-07 02:02 PM   #54 
  - Thats not true universal health care, but whatever  Dragonbreathp9d   Aug-14-07 02:04 PM   #55 
  - Yes, it's obviously ME who doesn't have a clue...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 02:09 PM   #58 
     - and who would that be????  LSK   Aug-14-07 03:01 PM   #69 
        - A hit and run poster on another thread...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 04:12 PM   #84 
  - My problem with punishing obesity is that several illnesses force  truedelphi   Aug-14-07 02:07 PM   #57 
  - And that's not even addressing psychological issues  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 02:10 PM   #59 
  - Very good point.  truedelphi   Aug-14-07 02:11 PM   #60 
  - And about 1/3 of the population has "Syndrome X"  eridani   Aug-15-07 12:25 AM   #91 
     - I just read in a magazine that focuses on diabetes  truedelphi   Aug-15-07 02:46 PM   #99 
  - You are NOT describing Universal Health Care....  Bridget Burke   Aug-14-07 02:36 PM   #61 
  - You hit the nail on the head with this line:  CrispyQGirl   Aug-14-07 02:38 PM   #62 
  - If I could chime in here?  NanceGreggs   Aug-14-07 02:41 PM   #64 
  - What Do You Think "Managed" Health Care Is?  stirlingsliver   Aug-14-07 02:46 PM   #65 
  - Why don't you go to this site to truly find out what Universial/Single-payer healthcare  RedEarth   Aug-14-07 02:58 PM   #67 
  - Your OPINION is based on GOP TALKING POINTS  LSK   Aug-14-07 03:00 PM   #68 
  - Didn't you bother to read the post?  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 04:07 PM   #78 
  - Any part of Universal Health Care  ismnotwasm   Aug-14-07 03:03 PM   #71 
  - Does Canada pick the pockets of its citizens?  LanternWaste   Aug-14-07 03:31 PM   #73 
  - Oh, I don't remember who it was...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 04:08 PM   #79 
  - Sounds to me like you don't want or need a Mommy any more.  davsand   Aug-14-07 04:04 PM   #76 
  - Glad to see someone gets where I'm coming from...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 04:10 PM   #80 
  - For those who are interested  intaglio   Aug-14-07 04:06 PM   #77 
  - Precisely what we need here. n/t  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 04:10 PM   #81 
  - I'd rather pay for all of the obese peoples' health care than a war started for a lie. - n/t  porphyrian   Aug-14-07 04:14 PM   #85 
  - Has the OP somehow gotten universal healthcare mixed up with  Vinca   Aug-14-07 04:21 PM   #86 
  - No, I haven't...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 04:30 PM   #87 
     - Sorry - I didn't see that thread and I've never heard anyone  Vinca   Aug-14-07 04:35 PM   #88 
        - Yeah, it was a DUer...  Mythsaje   Aug-14-07 04:52 PM   #89 
  - wtf does that have to do with universal health care?  pitohui   Aug-15-07 12:37 AM   #93 
  - That's what I want to know  Mythsaje   Aug-15-07 12:57 AM   #94 
  - I agree with much of what you say; BUT it's not a problem specific to government-provided healthcare  LeftishBrit   Aug-15-07 01:46 AM   #95 
  - I agree. Universal healthcare for everybody with no exceptions! n/t  Pushed To The Left   Aug-15-07 01:55 AM   #96 

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