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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 12:23 PM
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116. Possibly
And possibly the concept of the political reality we live in is alien to many of you.

If we were living in different times, I would agree with you completely about national service. I have always been in favor of that 'concept', surprising as that may be to you.

I spent 14 years married to a man who did a 22yr career in the Navy. I sacrificed when no one was paying attention, trust me. I was always absolutely supportive of his career in service to this country.

I have also told my son that if this country were ever truly in danger, I would be the first one pushing him out the door to do his duty and fight for the freedoms we all enjoy. Don't attempt to judge this book by the cover. I fully understand the 'concept' of national service.

I also understand that this BULLSHIT war started by this BULLSHIT president is NOT one that I'm willing to predicate a dialog about national service upon. If you really think for one minute that now is the time for that, well then you'll have to excuse me, but I believe you're seriously fucking deluded.

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  -What I find amusing about people who state they want a draft is... Javaman  Aug-13-07 02:43 PM   #0 
  - Maybe because those who support the draft were drafted the last time it was around?  sinkingfeeling   Aug-13-07 02:45 PM   #1 
  - Delet  Wilber_Stool   Aug-13-07 02:50 PM   #9 
  - So you are all for supporting a draft of young people for a war based on lies? nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:51 PM   #12 
  - And it was such a great experience for them they feel like they'd  Telly Savalas   Aug-13-07 09:24 PM   #68 
  - False.  BlooInBloo   Aug-13-07 02:46 PM   #2 
  - do you care to support your argument? or do you just like throwing BS around? nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:47 PM   #5 
     - It wasn't an argument it was a statement. I am a counterexample. End of story.  BlooInBloo   Aug-13-07 02:51 PM   #11 
     - So then you state a negative with no supporting argument.  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:52 PM   #13 
        - I wouldn't be a counterexample if I weren't. Sheesh.  BlooInBloo   Aug-13-07 02:56 PM   #16 
           - so then why don't you enlist? and beat the draft? nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:57 PM   #18 
              - Hence your OP statement is simply false.  BlooInBloo   Aug-13-07 03:06 PM   #22 
              - are you of a draftable age? nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:09 PM   #26 
              - Support for a draft does not entail support for the war. It would actually likely lead to the war's  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-13-07 03:12 PM   #27 
              - As other posters have stated in other threads, please give me an example from  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:13 PM   #30 
                 - Vietnam  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-13-07 04:05 PM   #53 
                    - nope wrong.  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:06 PM   #55 
                       - 1975.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-13-07 04:10 PM   #58 
                       - Read your history.  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:26 PM   #60 
                       - Beg to disagree. The 'Nam war was hugely popular in the early  flamin lib   Aug-13-07 05:48 PM   #65 
                          - "Don't need to read no stinkin' history . . . "  Javaman   Aug-14-07 08:27 AM   #82 
                             - Actually you are wrong  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 11:01 AM   #91 
                             - It's a waste of time and effort ...  TahitiNut   Aug-14-07 11:15 AM   #98 
                                - And it is also easier to make up shit up  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 11:19 AM   #100 
                                   - Frankly, I don't care what you think...  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:20 AM   #125 
                             - Look, I lived that war. Don't try to tell me about some freaking book.  flamin lib   Aug-14-07 11:52 AM   #107 
                                - They why don't you?  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:22 AM   #126 
                       - Nice myth, but not accurate.  uppityperson   Aug-13-07 09:22 PM   #67 
                       - The draft was only one factor that brought Viet Nam to an end & a small enough one at that.  Pyrzqxgl   Aug-14-07 01:53 PM   #124 
                       - The war got large in 65. The draft was already active at the time.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-13-07 10:39 PM   #69 
                          - Although the Viet Nam War did end in 1975  Art_from_Ark   Aug-13-07 11:41 PM   #76 
              - weak logic  wtmusic   Aug-13-07 03:12 PM   #28 
                 - My logic is only as weak as the information given.  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:14 PM   #32 
     - I will.  Wilber_Stool   Aug-13-07 02:54 PM   #15 
        - So you are all for supporting a draft of young people for a war based on lies? nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:56 PM   #17 
           - Of course not. Can you argue against the need  Wilber_Stool   Aug-13-07 03:07 PM   #25 
           - That would be nice if everyone was honest but we don't live in that reality...  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:12 PM   #29 
           - My fiance is from a wealthy German family.  tabasco   Aug-13-07 03:31 PM   #40 
              - sure it is, but we also aren't Germany and don't have a conscription army. nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:36 PM   #41 
                 - You said:  tabasco   Aug-13-07 03:52 PM   #48 
                    - Try selling to the American public and I will bet you people here  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:01 PM   #50 
                    - The rich love the volunteer military.  tabasco   Aug-13-07 04:21 PM   #59 
                    - I'll add Israel to that list  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 11:20 AM   #101 
           - The volunteer force was meeting well the need for a standing army.  pnwmom   Aug-15-07 09:40 AM   #137 
           - i think on DU the support for a draft is not to kill your children  LanternWaste   Aug-13-07 03:17 PM   #34 
              - Discussing the draft is one thing having a draft is an entirely different matter...  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:27 PM   #38 
              - I can accept your premise  chefgirl   Aug-13-07 11:50 PM   #77 
              - Getting a draft bill that will by design lose,  LanternWaste   Aug-14-07 11:15 AM   #99 
                 - I will add someting else  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 11:24 AM   #102 
                 - Thats rich  chefgirl   Aug-14-07 12:06 PM   #111 
                    - We need a dialogue on national service  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 12:11 PM   #114 
                    - Possibly  chefgirl   Aug-14-07 12:23 PM   #116 
                    - The conversation on service has to happen  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 12:42 PM   #120 
                       - Why am I not surprised?  chefgirl   Aug-14-07 12:58 PM   #121 
                          - I know quite a bit of the bush administration  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 01:11 PM   #122 
                    - While we're at it, should we have a discussion on slavery?  pnwmom   Aug-15-07 09:43 AM   #138 
                    - Calling for a debate on the draft is not calling for a draft...  LanternWaste   Aug-14-07 12:27 PM   #117 
                       - Congressional debate? At what risk?  chefgirl   Aug-14-07 12:40 PM   #119 
              - I will agree with you to an extent...  Javaman   Aug-14-07 08:30 AM   #83 
  - In all fairness  endarkenment   Aug-13-07 02:47 PM   #3 
  - why yes of course I am a movie star with a 12 figure contract and I post on DU! LOLOLOL nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:50 PM   #8 
  - Not true...  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-13-07 02:47 PM   #4 
  - And as I said above to someone else, do you care to support your arguement? nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:48 PM   #7 
     - do you care to support yours?  sniffa   Aug-14-07 11:01 AM   #90 
        - My experience in my life has been just that..  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:33 AM   #129 
  - I was drafted.  flamin lib   Aug-13-07 02:48 PM   #6 
  - Agree. I was not drafted, but only because I drew a high number.  NCevilDUer   Aug-13-07 03:06 PM   #23 
  - It's not as simple as cause->effect.  TahitiNut   Aug-13-07 03:25 PM   #36 
  - Good article but I think Lute is serious  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 11:27 AM   #104 
     - I tend to think that either of two conditions exist.  TahitiNut   Aug-14-07 11:42 AM   #106 
        - I agree, few see what is truly going on  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 01:16 PM   #123 
  - People were aware and out in the streets protesting in Vietnam and yet  pnwmom   Aug-15-07 09:46 AM   #141 
  - I just turned 24, I dont want a draft, but believe it would bring about a revolution in this country  bamacrat   Aug-13-07 02:50 PM   #10 
  - She obviously loves you, but sadly it won't get you out of a draft only a delay...  Javaman   Aug-13-07 02:53 PM   #14 
  - Heres hoping it won't come to that.  bamacrat   Aug-13-07 03:07 PM   #24 
     - Cheers! nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:14 PM   #33 
  - When I got my draft letter there were a bunch of people telling me to go to Canada.  Sapere aude   Aug-13-07 02:58 PM   #19 
     - Here here. :) nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:00 PM   #20 
     - I know what you mean. My letter came two weeks after I married  flamin lib   Aug-13-07 03:46 PM   #45 
  - I volunteered in 1967. n/t  UTUSN   Aug-13-07 03:05 PM   #21 
  - Do you support a draft? nt  wtmusic   Aug-13-07 03:14 PM   #31 
     - Yes. That's why I chimed in. It's equality instead of just the poor & ethnic. And it will  UTUSN   Aug-13-07 03:23 PM   #35 
        - so your argument is: if there is a draft, people will protest.  Javaman   Aug-13-07 03:29 PM   #39 
           - The protest is one consequence that will contribute to stopping the war earlier  UTUSN   Aug-13-07 03:40 PM   #43 
              - I never said volunteers should die, but then again they are volunteering  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:03 PM   #51 
                 - R u playing the "last word" game?!1 n/t  UTUSN   Aug-13-07 09:18 PM   #66 
                    - fine. If you have to resort to childrens games to make your point, knock yourself out.  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:24 AM   #128 
  - yes  libodem   Aug-13-07 03:26 PM   #37 
  - I'm 23 and I don't support the draft  Aptastik   Aug-13-07 03:37 PM   #42 
  - I understand your point, but...  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:05 PM   #52 
     - I should have rephrased that  Aptastik   Aug-13-07 04:27 PM   #61 
        - Isn't it sad that if you stand by your principles in this country  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:31 PM   #62 
  - What I find amusing about people who oppose the draft is...  Done   Aug-13-07 03:42 PM   #44 
  - I'm not of draftable age, I'm 44 and I'm against it. funny how that works, huh? nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:05 PM   #54 
  - I'm 47, I will only support the draft if...  Done   Aug-13-07 05:03 PM   #64 
     - Funny some of us served,  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-13-07 10:53 PM   #72 
     - When congress declares war, draft eligibility is 48. so you would go to :)  Javaman   Aug-13-07 11:23 PM   #74 
  - OR They HAVE KIDS of Draftable Age.  Megahurtz   Aug-15-07 08:12 PM   #145 
  - I'm not of draftable age and I oppose it vehemently.  HughBeaumont   Aug-13-07 03:48 PM   #46 
  - Thanks :) nt  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:07 PM   #56 
  - I will not serve if drafted.  Exiled in America   Aug-13-07 03:49 PM   #47 
  - thank you! :)  Javaman   Aug-13-07 04:08 PM   #57 
  - Mention draft and every white republican in the US  sallyseven   Aug-13-07 03:58 PM   #49 
  - You're barking up the wrong tree here.....  AnneD   Aug-13-07 04:51 PM   #63 
  - 2 years working retail would do that. n/t  Lilith Velkor   Aug-13-07 11:10 PM   #73 
     - I've worked in retail.....  AnneD   Aug-14-07 08:19 AM   #81 
        - OK, so making starving people pray for food - or shooting them - protects democracy.  Lilith Velkor   Aug-14-07 09:23 AM   #86 
           - OK...  AnneD   Aug-14-07 10:56 AM   #88 
           - Who are you to pronounce my soul 'stunted'?  Lilith Velkor   Aug-14-07 12:15 PM   #115 
           - Then do the Peace Corp  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 11:03 AM   #92 
              - Fire/emergency service draft is a good idea  Lilith Velkor   Aug-14-07 12:03 PM   #110 
                 - Police, you have reserves all over the country  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 12:06 PM   #112 
  - Wait for it Java  shadowknows69   Aug-13-07 10:49 PM   #70 
  - Oh I know they will.  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:36 AM   #131 
  - Yes. There are people here who will  NYC Liberal   Aug-13-07 10:50 PM   #71 
  - It really is...  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:37 AM   #133 
  - even the neocons that i ask...nicely,,if they favor a draft  w8liftinglady   Aug-13-07 11:26 PM   #75 
  - I have my son's pic in a yellow ribbon on the side of my car.  w8liftinglady   Aug-14-07 12:10 AM   #78 
  - That is silly. War is fake if you don't have a stake.  sampsonblk   Aug-14-07 12:36 AM   #79 
  - Catchy phrase....  AnneD   Aug-14-07 08:32 AM   #84 
  - Sadly, it's very real to the people who lose loved ones daily.  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:40 AM   #136 
  - are you of a draftable age? nt  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:39 AM   #135 
  - We don't need a draft.  MiltonF   Aug-14-07 12:47 AM   #80 
  - And those people who are in favor of a draft are using troops for political purposes  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-14-07 08:32 AM   #85 
  - What I find amusing is  Jed Dilligan   Aug-14-07 09:30 AM   #87 
  - yep, that's aLL draft supporters. every singLe one.  sniffa   Aug-14-07 10:58 AM   #89 
  - It's still 18-26.  TahitiNut   Aug-14-07 11:06 AM   #93 
     - sarcasm smiLies are for the weak  sniffa   Aug-14-07 11:11 AM   #95 
  - most of them are, it seems. What I find especailly hilarious  ComerPerro   Aug-14-07 11:10 AM   #94 
  - People often seem more ENVIOUS of the privileged escaping the draft than disgusted with them.  TahitiNut   Aug-14-07 11:26 AM   #103 
     - I don't know if its envy that is causing the lack of complete outrage  ComerPerro   Aug-14-07 11:30 AM   #105 
  - I forgot to tell you this, but I have been in favor of one for  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 11:14 AM   #96 
  - Isn't it funny how  MH1   Aug-14-07 11:53 AM   #108 
     - Hey if they told me right now  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-07 12:09 PM   #113 
     - And that is why we have an all volunteer army..  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:44 AM   #139 
  - It's Not Their Age I Find Relevant. It's Their Blind Sighted Ignorance That Concerns Me.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-14-07 11:14 AM   #97 
  - A draft would create a massive military,  ronnie624   Aug-14-07 11:58 AM   #109 
  - Completely agree. nt  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:44 AM   #140 
  - A draft will kill off this madness faster than anything else.  mmonk   Aug-14-07 12:39 PM   #118 
  - BS. It did not work in the past...and frankly, the admin does not care about those sheep  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-15-07 09:23 AM   #127 
  - You are free to your opinion but it is an opinion as mine is.  mmonk   Aug-15-07 09:38 AM   #134 
     - You are using the troops to further your agenda just as the admin is.  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-15-07 07:10 PM   #143 
        - WELL SAID!!!  Megahurtz   Aug-15-07 08:43 PM   #147 
        - I have no agenda other than stopping the war  mmonk   Aug-16-07 01:03 PM   #148 
  - You Wish.  Megahurtz   Aug-15-07 08:41 PM   #146 
  - I oppose a draft.  LWolf   Aug-15-07 09:34 AM   #130 
  - I think perhaps the word amusing...  Javaman   Aug-15-07 09:46 AM   #142 
  - I'm of draftable age, and the idea has merits. Unfortunately, it's not practical  jpgray   Aug-15-07 09:37 AM   #132 
  - OR they don't have any kids of Draft age.  Megahurtz   Aug-15-07 07:59 PM   #144 

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