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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:39 PM
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160. I don't think they'll be so easily had this time
The first time was before Afghanistan, before Iraq, before all the rarara of the "war on terror". If we have another terrorist attack now, after all the alleged successes, I don't think the reaction will be to rally around the flag but to say, "You did all this and we STILL suffered a major attack? And now you want to suspend democracy for our own good? What the hell is wrong with you?"
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  -Reality Check RE: Martial law in the US. fiziwig  Aug-11-07 09:40 PM   #0 
  - I'm not worried about enforcement,  rucky   Aug-11-07 09:42 PM   #1 
  - "Great Leader" Uncle Mao would be proud of that picture  lazer47   Aug-11-07 09:46 PM   #2 
  - These Threads Are Always Controversial...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-11-07 09:47 PM   #5 
  - The country locks up. Their masters money stops coming in.  Cobalt-60   Aug-12-07 03:30 AM   #111 
  - If the SOB told you to commit suicide, would you? He doesn't have the authority  struggle4progress   Aug-12-07 01:27 PM   #131 
  - You think a little thing like trying  jimshoes   Aug-11-07 09:46 PM   #3 
  - Hate to tell you this sport  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 09:46 PM   #4 
  - You are making one huge assumption  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 09:51 PM   #7 
  - My husband, the vet, says no way would the military stand for martial law. Their oath is to the  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 09:57 PM   #10 
  - Depends on the situation  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:01 PM   #13 
  - Well, since we have seen Directive 51 and many other Executive Orders and KNOW what they're planning  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 10:09 PM   #20 
     - Excuse me  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:25 PM   #33 
        - Are MOST soldiers aware of what they're taking orders from? The psycho? Do they know the man  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 10:42 PM   #43 
        - I'm glad to know you would give careful consideration to any such orders.  Doremus   Aug-11-07 10:56 PM   #52 
  - Even Blackwater  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:02 PM   #14 
  - Blackwater glorified security guards?  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:05 PM   #18 
     - What they are doing now  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:10 PM   #21 
     - All I'm saying is  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:17 PM   #26 
     - We can't control Iraq  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:26 PM   #36 
        - If we were seriously trying in Iraq  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:28 PM   #38 
           - Why would the military  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:34 PM   #40 
              - WOW  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:43 PM   #44 
              - Um,  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:51 PM   #51 
                 - Can you say Kent State?  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:12 AM   #90 
                    - I'll never understand how anyone can forget or ignore the Kent State Massacre  notsodumbhillbilly   Aug-12-07 11:59 AM   #126 
              - The military takes their orders from Dickhead Cheney. Iraq is gong swimmingly for him,.  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 10:47 PM   #49 
                 - Take 'em, yes. Follow 'em, yes. They're piss-poor on the "implementation" angle lately, though.. (nt  Posteritatis   Aug-12-07 12:31 AM   #82 
     - You are underestimating Mercs for the sake of it  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:09 AM   #89 
     - There you are. Can I ask an off topic question?  Buck Rabbit   Aug-12-07 01:38 AM   #99 
     - Think Central America  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:40 AM   #101 
        - Well I started with that, but then I thought  Buck Rabbit   Aug-12-07 01:55 AM   #103 
     - Safe journey and safe tour. Come back well and whole, sir.  tom_paine   Aug-12-07 12:37 PM   #129 
  - Blackwater has one advantage over our military and national guard  jgraz   Aug-11-07 10:14 PM   #24 
  - I do. They want our military occupied in Iraq, so Blackwater...who DOESN'T take an oath to the  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 10:19 PM   #27 
     - Not enough in blackwater to make that work  knight_of_the_star   Aug-12-07 12:25 AM   #80 
  - Even now, with the evangelical takeover?  jgraz   Aug-11-07 10:23 PM   #31 
  - Oh, I KNOW! I watched Michael Weinstein, "With God on Our Side" today on C-SPAN 2  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 10:38 PM   #42 
  - I wouldn't worry too much, they have enough trigger pullers to maybe  billyoc   Aug-11-07 10:27 PM   #37 
  - I don't  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:06 AM   #88 
  - That is WAY too much of a fucking gamble.  The Stranger   Aug-12-07 10:12 PM   #152 
  - Agreed, it's kind of hard to achieve a military takeover if the military refuses to go along  Mike Daniels   Aug-13-07 01:16 PM   #162 
  - OK. Let's take a closer look  fiziwig   Aug-11-07 10:06 PM   #19 
  - LOL  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:21 PM   #28 
  - Army Times  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:17 AM   #93 
  - Is it broken out by branch of service?  Buck Rabbit   Aug-12-07 02:01 AM   #104 
  - Y'know, if Georgie kept cable and internet porn online, half the population probably wouldn't notice  jgraz   Aug-11-07 10:26 PM   #34 
  - Do you have any idea how a military operation  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:16 AM   #91 
  - Comparing Iraq to the United States, in the first place, is not realistic....  AntiFascist   Aug-12-07 04:23 PM   #136 
  - Thats making some huge assumptions  knight_of_the_star   Aug-12-07 12:22 AM   #79 
  - Don't forget the police forces they've spent decades militarizing a la the war on drugs.  glitch   Aug-12-07 12:47 AM   #85 
  - and how many of the troops in Iraq are reservists and ng???  windbreeze   Aug-12-07 02:05 AM   #105 
  - They would have to pull a lot of troops out of key positions in other places overseas  Hippo_Tron   Aug-13-07 01:38 AM   #155 
  - You believe all U.S. troops would...  LanternWaste   Aug-13-07 12:53 PM   #161 
  - Won't happen  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 09:49 PM   #6 
  - The far right-wing taking over is  maseman   Aug-11-07 09:59 PM   #12 
  - It's martial law. And how many did it take to control NOLA? n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-12-07 01:32 AM   #98 
     - That's one city where a large amount of the population had already left  Hippo_Tron   Aug-13-07 01:40 AM   #156 
  - I think the buzz about martial law in the US is hyperbolic,  pinto   Aug-11-07 09:53 PM   #8 
  - ONE WORD......  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 09:54 PM   #9 
  - A few more words:  warren pease   Aug-11-07 09:59 PM   #11 
  - yep. We are so screwed. Think it's time to get me a gun?  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 10:02 PM   #15 
  - Don't forget  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:02 PM   #16 
     - There are a lot of people who can get their guns and be out in  rzemanfl   Aug-11-07 10:11 PM   #22 
     - Boy, add all those to the other mercenaries and...  fiziwig   Aug-11-07 10:12 PM   #23 
        - And all of  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:15 PM   #25 
        - I've NEVER owned a gun. I hate them, but have been thinking seriously about getting one.  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 10:23 PM   #32 
        - I grew up around guns  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:30 PM   #39 
           - I grew up with guns too...a dad and 3 brothers who loved to hunt.  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 11:11 PM   #60 
              - Clark and Batiste  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 11:20 PM   #63 
        - Keep deluding yourself  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:45 PM   #47 
           - Shock and Awe? Just like it was "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq in days? Right. nt  fiziwig   Aug-11-07 11:49 PM   #71 
           - I hate to agree with Sanskrit  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:22 AM   #94 
              - I hate to agree with him too  TheWatcher   Aug-12-07 08:41 AM   #117 
              - Martial law would destroy the economy  NickB79   Aug-13-07 01:54 PM   #163 
                 - Yep, just like it happened in Chile  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-13-07 02:08 PM   #165 
           - The idea really gets you wet doesn't it?  TheWatcher   Aug-12-07 08:39 AM   #116 
        - Except you've forgotten the lesson that was clearly demonstrated in 2001:  Doremus   Aug-11-07 10:35 PM   #41 
        - What people ALSO need to remember is that rw talk radio has been sowing hatred & division  scarletwoman   Aug-11-07 10:43 PM   #45 
        - Just ask the Germans of the '40's.  southerncrone   Aug-11-07 11:49 PM   #70 
        - Absolutely right.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 12:07 AM   #76 
        - A close election  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 10:46 PM   #48 
        - Again, you underestimate the human tendency to save their own skin at any cost.  Doremus   Aug-11-07 11:01 PM   # 
           - Okay  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 11:11 PM   #59 
              - Again, all you need to do is think back to 9/11.  Doremus   Aug-11-07 11:14 PM   #62 
              - Big difference  Mz Pip   Aug-11-07 11:24 PM   #65 
                 - At this point, they don't care. They have all the money they could ever need.  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 11:33 PM   #68 
                 - Why would there be troops in the street?  Doremus   Aug-11-07 11:55 PM   #73 
                    - We STILL have Free Speech Zones. Proud2blib was just put in one the other day in Kansas.  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-12-07 12:02 AM   #75 
                    - There you go.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 12:11 AM   #77 
                       - And how many outside the Net roots batted an eye over  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:26 AM   #96 
                          - Yup. Few even KNOW about it let alone object. n/t  Doremus   Aug-12-07 10:11 AM   #121 
                    - Just to point out with the Nazis  knight_of_the_star   Aug-12-07 12:32 AM   #83 
                       - Agreed! I don't know why otherwise intelligent DUers would think for a minute  Doremus   Aug-12-07 12:45 AM   #84 
                          - You missed my point  knight_of_the_star   Aug-12-07 01:00 AM   #87 
                             - They've been working on it for 6 years.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 10:10 AM   #120 
                                - I don't think they'll be so easily had this time  knight_of_the_star   Aug-13-07 12:39 PM   #160 
              - Chaos? What the fuck are you talking about?  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:24 AM   #95 
              - First, these guys are nuts  localroger   Aug-12-07 08:57 AM   #118 
        - Most people would beg to be caged, cuffed and cloistered .... for their own safety, of course.  JohnyCanuck   Aug-12-07 10:01 PM   #151 
        - Not only that...  AntiFascist   Aug-13-07 01:35 AM   #154 
        - Now watch them TRY to take on LA  knight_of_the_star   Aug-12-07 12:29 AM   #81 
        - You don't have to cover the entire country...  warren pease   Aug-12-07 12:42 PM   #130 
        - Serious resistance from the morbidly obese can plinker crowd...  warren pease   Aug-12-07 03:19 PM   #132 
  - Yeah, a few score thousand half-grunts will dominate us all. Right. (nt)  Posteritatis   Aug-11-07 10:44 PM   #46 
     - Give the finest criminal minds since Hitler proper credit.  Doremus   Aug-11-07 11:12 PM   #61 
        - And a few thousand moderately-armed rednecks can't cut it nationwide  Posteritatis   Aug-11-07 11:54 PM   #72 
           - Once again, why do you think HUGE forces would even be necessary?  Doremus   Aug-12-07 12:01 AM   #74 
           - Sorry to disagree, but most of their people  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 01:30 AM   #97 
              - Minus the equipment, and the intel, etc etc etc  Posteritatis   Aug-12-07 02:56 AM   #109 
                 - If you decide to use Mercs you also provide intel  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-07 03:17 AM   #110 
                 - But they WOULD have the support of the military ...  Doremus   Aug-12-07 10:26 AM   #123 
  - law and order...  stillcool47   Aug-11-07 10:04 PM   #17 
  - As a far left liberal I used to be sooo anti gun...not anymore.  1620rock   Aug-11-07 10:23 PM   #30 
     - no shit...  stillcool47   Aug-11-07 11:01 PM   #54 
  - I can pretty much guarantee that even the most right wing  BlackVelvet04   Aug-11-07 10:22 PM   #29 
  - Huh?  sanskritwarrior   Aug-11-07 10:26 PM   #35 
  - During WW2 , I wondered how the German people were  Bobbieo   Aug-11-07 11:06 PM   #57 
  - Well first there were paramilitary groups such as the Nazi SA creating chaos in the streets  Hippo_Tron   Aug-13-07 01:51 AM   #158 
  - You're more optimistic than I. Framed properly, I'd put the percentage at 90% or more. n/t  Doremus   Aug-12-07 12:15 AM   #78 
  - Did rightwing southerners support the Patriot Act?  Doremus   Aug-11-07 10:48 PM   #50 
  - That's a horse of a different color....  BlackVelvet04   Aug-11-07 10:58 PM   #53 
     - Well, gee, I'm glad we have your assurances Cheney et al won't make the power grab.  Doremus   Aug-11-07 11:04 PM   #55 
        - Feel better now that you got your snarkiness in?  BlackVelvet04   Aug-12-07 08:28 AM   #115 
           - Southerners and standing for it  localroger   Aug-12-07 09:15 AM   #119 
           - I was born and raised in the rural south and I disagree....  BlackVelvet04   Aug-12-07 12:36 PM   #128 
           - The south went for Bush in huge numbers.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 10:17 AM   #122 
  - When their teevees tell them the sole reason for martial law is to ensure their safety,  notsodumbhillbilly   Aug-12-07 12:25 PM   #127 
  - I hope you're right.  treestar   Aug-11-07 11:04 PM   #56 
  - Local Cops --nt  democrat2thecore   Aug-11-07 11:08 PM   #58 
  - Many of whom belong to unions, and are Democrats.  Maddy McCall   Aug-12-07 02:39 AM   #108 
  - man, I don't think victory is or ever was the endgame....  pepperbear   Aug-11-07 11:20 PM   #64 
  - Yep. PNAC...World Domination...Hegemony. That has always been the plan. n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-11-07 11:24 PM   #66 
     - And it's simple, too....  pepperbear   Aug-11-07 11:32 PM   #67 
  - Over half a million people have died in Iraq  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-11-07 11:39 PM   #69 
  - Well we don't have much oil left and they've already looted our treasury.  glitch   Aug-12-07 12:58 AM   #86 
  - er, they've already rounded up and controlled us  pitohui   Aug-12-07 01:16 AM   #92 
  - Since we're working with hypotheticals here...  Captain Angry   Aug-12-07 01:39 AM   #100 
  - Yep!  Buck Rabbit   Aug-12-07 01:48 AM   #102 
  - For awhile  Jim Warren   Aug-12-07 03:36 AM   #112 
  - They would use Blackwater and other private contractors to enforce their will,  Liberty Belle   Aug-12-07 02:14 AM   #106 
  - They might even use foreign mercenaries  treestar   Aug-12-07 11:56 AM   #125 
  - There are some few folks here  Mythsaje   Aug-12-07 02:29 AM   #107 
  - I don't want it to happen, nor does anyone else in this thread.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 03:56 PM   #134 
     - If and when it starts happening, we'll know for sure.  Mythsaje   Aug-12-07 05:31 PM   #137 
        - Oh good grief, you can't be serious.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 06:32 PM   #138 
           - That some people want to be right at any cost.  Mythsaje   Aug-12-07 06:44 PM   #139 
              - Uh hello? Your straw man is calling.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 08:24 PM   #140 
                 - Let's just say your arguments are no more convincing  Mythsaje   Aug-12-07 08:38 PM   #141 
                    - If you put as much effort into actually stating a case as you do into personal attacks  Doremus   Aug-12-07 08:51 PM   #142 
                       - I never made ANY personal attacks.  Mythsaje   Aug-12-07 08:59 PM   #145 
                          - I did not call you a troll, you did. I said quite plainly that you haven't offered a single fact  Doremus   Aug-12-07 09:42 PM   #149 
  - They can't control Iraq because the people resist and fight back...I often ask myself, what would  Pachamama   Aug-12-07 03:59 AM   #113 
  - this is ridiculous. since when is martial law not backed up with propaganda?  NuttyFluffers   Aug-12-07 06:48 AM   #114 
  - Many opinions  buddyhollysghost   Aug-12-07 11:34 AM   #124 
  - Force is not the issue  NeedleCast   Aug-12-07 03:34 PM   #133 
  - That today there is even the notion that such a discussion is necessary  Doremus   Aug-12-07 04:05 PM   #135 
  - its not necessary, but some just keep discussing it anyway.  onenote   Aug-12-07 08:56 PM   #143 
  - I think it could be a good thing  treestar   Aug-12-07 08:57 PM   #144 
  - They keep warning us about the use of nukes within the US....  AntiFascist   Aug-13-07 03:50 AM   #159 
  - "It Can't Happen Here" was published in 1935. "Never Forget" is not rhetoric. eom  bobthedrummer   Aug-12-07 09:12 PM   #146 
  - The whole martial law thing is ridiculous.  MrSlayer   Aug-12-07 09:17 PM   #147 
  - One large problem...  beevul   Aug-12-07 09:40 PM   #148 
  - That's a lot of assumptions.  Doremus   Aug-12-07 09:48 PM   #150 
     - You raise some good points.  beevul   Aug-12-07 11:10 PM   #153 
  - First time I've clicked on this topic.....I'm not gonna read all of the responses....  Mind_your_head   Aug-13-07 01:46 AM   #157 
  - What would be the point? "They" already control you with massive debt and fear.  Evoman   Aug-13-07 01:58 PM   #164 
  - They need another terrorist attack  Done   Aug-13-07 02:14 PM   #166 
  - Martial law can only work for so long in this country, before people rebel  noonwitch   Aug-13-07 02:42 PM   #167 
  - It's the same thing to me as the other side and their war on Xmas  LittleClarkie   Aug-13-07 02:44 PM   #168 

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