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Mon Aug-13-07 01:40 AM
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| 156. That's one city where a large amount of the population had already left |
| -Reality Check RE: Martial law in the US. |
fiziwig |
Aug-11-07 09:40 PM |
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I'm not worried about enforcement, |
rucky |
Aug-11-07 09:42 PM |
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"Great Leader" Uncle Mao would be proud of that picture |
lazer47 |
Aug-11-07 09:46 PM |
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These Threads Are Always Controversial... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-11-07 09:47 PM |
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The country locks up. Their masters money stops coming in. |
Cobalt-60 |
Aug-12-07 03:30 AM |
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If the SOB told you to commit suicide, would you? He doesn't have the authority |
struggle4progress |
Aug-12-07 01:27 PM |
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You think a little thing like trying |
jimshoes |
Aug-11-07 09:46 PM |
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Hate to tell you this sport |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 09:46 PM |
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You are making one huge assumption |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 09:51 PM |
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My husband, the vet, says no way would the military stand for martial law. Their oath is to the |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 09:57 PM |
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Depends on the situation |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:01 PM |
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Well, since we have seen Directive 51 and many other Executive Orders and KNOW what they're planning |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 10:09 PM |
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Excuse me |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:25 PM |
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Are MOST soldiers aware of what they're taking orders from? The psycho? Do they know the man |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 10:42 PM |
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I'm glad to know you would give careful consideration to any such orders. |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 10:56 PM |
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Even Blackwater |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:02 PM |
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Blackwater glorified security guards? |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:05 PM |
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What they are doing now |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:10 PM |
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All I'm saying is |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:17 PM |
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We can't control Iraq |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:26 PM |
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If we were seriously trying in Iraq |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:28 PM |
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Why would the military |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:34 PM |
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WOW |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:43 PM |
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Um, |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:51 PM |
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Can you say Kent State? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:12 AM |
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I'll never understand how anyone can forget or ignore the Kent State Massacre |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Aug-12-07 11:59 AM |
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The military takes their orders from Dickhead Cheney. Iraq is gong swimmingly for him,. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 10:47 PM |
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Take 'em, yes. Follow 'em, yes. They're piss-poor on the "implementation" angle lately, though.. (nt |
Posteritatis |
Aug-12-07 12:31 AM |
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You are underestimating Mercs for the sake of it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:09 AM |
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There you are. Can I ask an off topic question? |
Buck Rabbit |
Aug-12-07 01:38 AM |
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Think Central America |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:40 AM |
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Well I started with that, but then I thought |
Buck Rabbit |
Aug-12-07 01:55 AM |
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Safe journey and safe tour. Come back well and whole, sir. |
tom_paine |
Aug-12-07 12:37 PM |
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Blackwater has one advantage over our military and national guard |
jgraz |
Aug-11-07 10:14 PM |
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I do. They want our military occupied in Iraq, so Blackwater...who DOESN'T take an oath to the |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 10:19 PM |
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Not enough in blackwater to make that work |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-12-07 12:25 AM |
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Even now, with the evangelical takeover? |
jgraz |
Aug-11-07 10:23 PM |
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Oh, I KNOW! I watched Michael Weinstein, "With God on Our Side" today on C-SPAN 2 |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 10:38 PM |
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I wouldn't worry too much, they have enough trigger pullers to maybe |
billyoc |
Aug-11-07 10:27 PM |
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I don't |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:06 AM |
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That is WAY too much of a fucking gamble. |
The Stranger |
Aug-12-07 10:12 PM |
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Agreed, it's kind of hard to achieve a military takeover if the military refuses to go along |
Mike Daniels |
Aug-13-07 01:16 PM |
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OK. Let's take a closer look |
fiziwig |
Aug-11-07 10:06 PM |
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LOL |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:21 PM |
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Army Times |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:17 AM |
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Is it broken out by branch of service? |
Buck Rabbit |
Aug-12-07 02:01 AM |
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Y'know, if Georgie kept cable and internet porn online, half the population probably wouldn't notice |
jgraz |
Aug-11-07 10:26 PM |
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Do you have any idea how a military operation |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:16 AM |
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Comparing Iraq to the United States, in the first place, is not realistic.... |
AntiFascist |
Aug-12-07 04:23 PM |
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Thats making some huge assumptions |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-12-07 12:22 AM |
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Don't forget the police forces they've spent decades militarizing a la the war on drugs. |
glitch |
Aug-12-07 12:47 AM |
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and how many of the troops in Iraq are reservists and ng??? |
windbreeze |
Aug-12-07 02:05 AM |
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They would have to pull a lot of troops out of key positions in other places overseas |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-13-07 01:38 AM |
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You believe all U.S. troops would... |
LanternWaste |
Aug-13-07 12:53 PM |
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Won't happen |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 09:49 PM |
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The far right-wing taking over is |
maseman |
Aug-11-07 09:59 PM |
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It's martial law. And how many did it take to control NOLA? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-12-07 01:32 AM |
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That's one city where a large amount of the population had already left |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-13-07 01:40 AM |
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I think the buzz about martial law in the US is hyperbolic, |
pinto |
Aug-11-07 09:53 PM |
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ONE WORD...... |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 09:54 PM |
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A few more words: |
warren pease |
Aug-11-07 09:59 PM |
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yep. We are so screwed. Think it's time to get me a gun? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 10:02 PM |
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Don't forget |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:02 PM |
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There are a lot of people who can get their guns and be out in |
rzemanfl |
Aug-11-07 10:11 PM |
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Boy, add all those to the other mercenaries and... |
fiziwig |
Aug-11-07 10:12 PM |
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And all of |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:15 PM |
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I've NEVER owned a gun. I hate them, but have been thinking seriously about getting one. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 10:23 PM |
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I grew up around guns |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:30 PM |
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I grew up with guns too...a dad and 3 brothers who loved to hunt. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 11:11 PM |
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Clark and Batiste |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 11:20 PM |
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Keep deluding yourself |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:45 PM |
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Shock and Awe? Just like it was "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq in days? Right. nt |
fiziwig |
Aug-11-07 11:49 PM |
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I hate to agree with Sanskrit |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:22 AM |
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I hate to agree with him too |
TheWatcher |
Aug-12-07 08:41 AM |
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Martial law would destroy the economy |
NickB79 |
Aug-13-07 01:54 PM |
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Yep, just like it happened in Chile |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-13-07 02:08 PM |
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The idea really gets you wet doesn't it? |
TheWatcher |
Aug-12-07 08:39 AM |
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Except you've forgotten the lesson that was clearly demonstrated in 2001: |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 10:35 PM |
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What people ALSO need to remember is that rw talk radio has been sowing hatred & division |
scarletwoman |
Aug-11-07 10:43 PM |
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Just ask the Germans of the '40's. |
southerncrone |
Aug-11-07 11:49 PM |
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Absolutely right. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 12:07 AM |
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A close election |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 10:46 PM |
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Again, you underestimate the human tendency to save their own skin at any cost. |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 11:01 PM |
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Okay |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 11:11 PM |
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Again, all you need to do is think back to 9/11. |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 11:14 PM |
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Big difference |
Mz Pip |
Aug-11-07 11:24 PM |
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At this point, they don't care. They have all the money they could ever need. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 11:33 PM |
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Why would there be troops in the street? |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 11:55 PM |
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We STILL have Free Speech Zones. Proud2blib was just put in one the other day in Kansas. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-12-07 12:02 AM |
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There you go. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 12:11 AM |
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And how many outside the Net roots batted an eye over |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:26 AM |
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Yup. Few even KNOW about it let alone object. n/t |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 10:11 AM |
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Just to point out with the Nazis |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-12-07 12:32 AM |
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Agreed! I don't know why otherwise intelligent DUers would think for a minute |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 12:45 AM |
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You missed my point |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-12-07 01:00 AM |
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They've been working on it for 6 years. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 10:10 AM |
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I don't think they'll be so easily had this time |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-13-07 12:39 PM |
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Chaos? What the fuck are you talking about? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:24 AM |
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First, these guys are nuts |
localroger |
Aug-12-07 08:57 AM |
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Most people would beg to be caged, cuffed and cloistered .... for their own safety, of course. |
JohnyCanuck |
Aug-12-07 10:01 PM |
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Not only that... |
AntiFascist |
Aug-13-07 01:35 AM |
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Now watch them TRY to take on LA |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-12-07 12:29 AM |
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You don't have to cover the entire country... |
warren pease |
Aug-12-07 12:42 PM |
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Serious resistance from the morbidly obese can plinker crowd... |
warren pease |
Aug-12-07 03:19 PM |
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Yeah, a few score thousand half-grunts will dominate us all. Right. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-11-07 10:44 PM |
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Give the finest criminal minds since Hitler proper credit. |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 11:12 PM |
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And a few thousand moderately-armed rednecks can't cut it nationwide |
Posteritatis |
Aug-11-07 11:54 PM |
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Once again, why do you think HUGE forces would even be necessary? |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 12:01 AM |
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Sorry to disagree, but most of their people |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 01:30 AM |
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Minus the equipment, and the intel, etc etc etc |
Posteritatis |
Aug-12-07 02:56 AM |
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If you decide to use Mercs you also provide intel |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-12-07 03:17 AM |
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But they WOULD have the support of the military ... |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 10:26 AM |
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law and order... |
stillcool47 |
Aug-11-07 10:04 PM |
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As a far left liberal I used to be sooo anti gun...not anymore. |
1620rock |
Aug-11-07 10:23 PM |
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no shit... |
stillcool47 |
Aug-11-07 11:01 PM |
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I can pretty much guarantee that even the most right wing |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-11-07 10:22 PM |
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Huh? |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 10:26 PM |
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During WW2 , I wondered how the German people were |
Bobbieo |
Aug-11-07 11:06 PM |
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Well first there were paramilitary groups such as the Nazi SA creating chaos in the streets |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-13-07 01:51 AM |
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You're more optimistic than I. Framed properly, I'd put the percentage at 90% or more. n/t |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 12:15 AM |
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Did rightwing southerners support the Patriot Act? |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 10:48 PM |
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That's a horse of a different color.... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-11-07 10:58 PM |
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Well, gee, I'm glad we have your assurances Cheney et al won't make the power grab. |
Doremus |
Aug-11-07 11:04 PM |
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Feel better now that you got your snarkiness in? |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-12-07 08:28 AM |
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Southerners and standing for it |
localroger |
Aug-12-07 09:15 AM |
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I was born and raised in the rural south and I disagree.... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-12-07 12:36 PM |
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The south went for Bush in huge numbers. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 10:17 AM |
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When their teevees tell them the sole reason for martial law is to ensure their safety, |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Aug-12-07 12:25 PM |
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I hope you're right. |
treestar |
Aug-11-07 11:04 PM |
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Local Cops --nt |
democrat2thecore |
Aug-11-07 11:08 PM |
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Many of whom belong to unions, and are Democrats. |
Maddy McCall |
Aug-12-07 02:39 AM |
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man, I don't think victory is or ever was the endgame.... |
pepperbear |
Aug-11-07 11:20 PM |
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Yep. PNAC...World Domination...Hegemony. That has always been the plan. n/t |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-11-07 11:24 PM |
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And it's simple, too.... |
pepperbear |
Aug-11-07 11:32 PM |
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Over half a million people have died in Iraq |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Aug-11-07 11:39 PM |
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Well we don't have much oil left and they've already looted our treasury. |
glitch |
Aug-12-07 12:58 AM |
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er, they've already rounded up and controlled us |
pitohui |
Aug-12-07 01:16 AM |
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Since we're working with hypotheticals here... |
Captain Angry |
Aug-12-07 01:39 AM |
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Yep! |
Buck Rabbit |
Aug-12-07 01:48 AM |
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For awhile |
Jim Warren |
Aug-12-07 03:36 AM |
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They would use Blackwater and other private contractors to enforce their will, |
Liberty Belle |
Aug-12-07 02:14 AM |
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They might even use foreign mercenaries |
treestar |
Aug-12-07 11:56 AM |
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There are some few folks here |
Mythsaje |
Aug-12-07 02:29 AM |
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I don't want it to happen, nor does anyone else in this thread. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 03:56 PM |
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If and when it starts happening, we'll know for sure. |
Mythsaje |
Aug-12-07 05:31 PM |
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Oh good grief, you can't be serious. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 06:32 PM |
#138 |
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That some people want to be right at any cost. |
Mythsaje |
Aug-12-07 06:44 PM |
#139 |
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Uh hello? Your straw man is calling. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 08:24 PM |
#140 |
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Let's just say your arguments are no more convincing |
Mythsaje |
Aug-12-07 08:38 PM |
#141 |
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If you put as much effort into actually stating a case as you do into personal attacks |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 08:51 PM |
#142 |
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I never made ANY personal attacks. |
Mythsaje |
Aug-12-07 08:59 PM |
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I did not call you a troll, you did. I said quite plainly that you haven't offered a single fact |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 09:42 PM |
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They can't control Iraq because the people resist and fight back...I often ask myself, what would |
Pachamama |
Aug-12-07 03:59 AM |
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this is ridiculous. since when is martial law not backed up with propaganda? |
NuttyFluffers |
Aug-12-07 06:48 AM |
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Many opinions |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-12-07 11:34 AM |
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Force is not the issue |
NeedleCast |
Aug-12-07 03:34 PM |
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That today there is even the notion that such a discussion is necessary |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 04:05 PM |
#135 |
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its not necessary, but some just keep discussing it anyway. |
onenote |
Aug-12-07 08:56 PM |
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I think it could be a good thing |
treestar |
Aug-12-07 08:57 PM |
#144 |
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They keep warning us about the use of nukes within the US.... |
AntiFascist |
Aug-13-07 03:50 AM |
#159 |
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"It Can't Happen Here" was published in 1935. "Never Forget" is not rhetoric. eom |
bobthedrummer |
Aug-12-07 09:12 PM |
#146 |
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The whole martial law thing is ridiculous. |
MrSlayer |
Aug-12-07 09:17 PM |
#147 |
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One large problem... |
beevul |
Aug-12-07 09:40 PM |
#148 |
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That's a lot of assumptions. |
Doremus |
Aug-12-07 09:48 PM |
#150 |
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You raise some good points. |
beevul |
Aug-12-07 11:10 PM |
#153 |
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First time I've clicked on this topic.....I'm not gonna read all of the responses.... |
Mind_your_head |
Aug-13-07 01:46 AM |
#157 |
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What would be the point? "They" already control you with massive debt and fear. |
Evoman |
Aug-13-07 01:58 PM |
#164 |
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They need another terrorist attack |
Done |
Aug-13-07 02:14 PM |
#166 |
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Martial law can only work for so long in this country, before people rebel |
noonwitch |
Aug-13-07 02:42 PM |
#167 |
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It's the same thing to me as the other side and their war on Xmas |
LittleClarkie |
Aug-13-07 02:44 PM |
#168 |
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