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| 74. Both of my grandfathers "worked the line" for Ford and Chrysler |
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One retired with a quarter million in his savings account, not to mention a generous pension from Ford. The other grandfather enjoyed his retirement with two houses--one a summer vacation home by the lake.
No hourly wage earner today could even dream of such a future.
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| -Think you're middle class? Think again!!! |
dropkickpa |
Aug-11-07 08:56 PM |
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Great post and thank you! nt |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Aug-11-07 08:58 PM |
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Somehow, we've managed to make poverty "look good",... |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Aug-12-07 06:37 PM |
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We hide it, make it pretty |
dropkickpa |
Aug-12-07 09:07 PM |
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It's Secular Calvinism. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-13-07 08:32 AM |
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It makes me sick to my stomach to see what Republicans have done to our country. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-11-07 09:00 PM |
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They're killing us |
dropkickpa |
Aug-11-07 09:21 PM |
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Yes. I abhor those people who voted them in. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-12-07 10:57 AM |
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K&R! n/t |
QC |
Aug-11-07 09:01 PM |
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Remove the accoutrements and cash from a rich person, |
SoCalDem |
Aug-11-07 09:05 PM |
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Probably you meant this to be included in "accoutrements," |
DemBones DemBones |
Aug-13-07 10:49 PM |
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Not only have they convinced us we're "middle class" |
annabanana |
Aug-11-07 09:08 PM |
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Yeah, we just have to work just a leetle bit harder |
dropkickpa |
Aug-11-07 09:22 PM |
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Or buy a lottery ticket.... |
loudsue |
Aug-12-07 11:24 AM |
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I agree, the lottery is an immoral tax on the poor. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-13-07 08:34 AM |
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...and get a LEETLE bit meaner... |
Ken Burch |
Aug-12-07 02:45 PM |
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Carrot on a Stick... |
Crayson |
Aug-13-07 06:18 AM |
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Should be a donut |
dropkickpa |
Aug-13-07 07:21 AM |
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This is important stuff -- |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-11-07 09:12 PM |
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This is so very, very true! |
silverojo |
Aug-11-07 09:16 PM |
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Thank you. Great post. |
babylonsister |
Aug-11-07 09:16 PM |
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reminds me of this... |
stillcool47 |
Aug-11-07 09:22 PM |
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Thank you for this! |
dropkickpa |
Aug-11-07 09:26 PM |
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This book blew my mind... |
stillcool47 |
Aug-11-07 09:34 PM |
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Always loved this book. So well written. |
Hardrada |
Aug-11-07 09:46 PM |
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Wow! And it's all become turbo-charged in the meantime.... What a voice |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-12-07 09:18 AM |
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Good reading, but what does the fact of high fatality rates from |
tblue37 |
Aug-12-07 10:36 AM |
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I'm not sure... |
stillcool47 |
Aug-12-07 01:59 PM |
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"pre-Nader"?? |
TahitiNut |
Aug-12-07 04:24 PM |
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..That's what I was referring to... |
stillcool47 |
Aug-12-07 05:52 PM |
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Katrina should be a big wake up call for the middle class |
rudy23 |
Aug-11-07 09:24 PM |
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If that didn't do it... |
rucky |
Aug-11-07 09:27 PM |
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Exactly! |
dropkickpa |
Aug-11-07 09:29 PM |
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Exactly. |
rudy23 |
Aug-11-07 09:39 PM |
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And they wonder whats happening to America's children. |
superkia |
Aug-11-07 09:34 PM |
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But I think that there is something harmful about people thinking they are "poor" also |
Nikia |
Aug-11-07 09:36 PM |
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I find the opposite is the case |
dropkickpa |
Aug-11-07 09:50 PM |
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I guess I am thinking of certain situations |
Nikia |
Aug-11-07 10:10 PM |
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But that's the thing |
dropkickpa |
Aug-11-07 10:37 PM |
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Nikia! |
rucognizant |
Aug-12-07 08:42 AM |
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Weird |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-11-07 09:50 PM |
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The self-sufficiency standard for two adults is over $30,000. |
tabasco |
Aug-12-07 12:47 PM |
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Actually, he's not lying.... |
Aviation Pro |
Aug-12-07 02:39 PM |
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Oh, I forgot language pay if he is certified to the 2+ level.... |
Aviation Pro |
Aug-12-07 03:41 PM |
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E-7 with 14 years |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-12-07 05:28 PM |
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got nothing to say do you??? |
sanskritwarrior |
Aug-13-07 10:35 PM |
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K & R. Good post, good research. Thank you. nt. |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
Aug-11-07 10:01 PM |
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Great Post... Don't Know if It Applies Anymore, But... |
WillyT |
Aug-11-07 10:09 PM |
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Thank you for posting this - and of course the Gubmint MUST say we are middle class |
truedelphi |
Aug-12-07 12:23 AM |
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I'm dirt poor, despite a lot of education, and I can't support my family. |
GOPBasher |
Aug-12-07 02:29 AM |
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Why is it, I wonder that in the UK and the US, as professions, |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-12-07 09:44 AM |
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You could get a job teaching physics if you could coach! |
DemBones DemBones |
Aug-13-07 11:01 PM |
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The Ameican "dream." If ANY haven't yet read former DUer DuctTapeFatwa's "Advice to the New Poor" |
ConsAreLiars |
Aug-12-07 02:48 AM |
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what a very poignant essay that is |
blondie58 |
Aug-12-07 07:07 AM |
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Heart-breaking. The more so for dealing with what must be a fairly common phenomenon. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-12-07 11:30 AM |
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I remember that |
davekriss |
Aug-12-07 12:12 PM |
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Florida's is def. off... especially after it went through housing boom. |
glowing |
Aug-12-07 06:27 AM |
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I think the real standard should be the ability to save money. |
DUlover2909 |
Aug-12-07 06:56 AM |
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i expect to be working |
barbtries |
Aug-12-07 07:59 PM |
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We're living in a new Gilded Age, which means there's the rich and the rest of us |
deutsey |
Aug-12-07 07:00 AM |
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Yep |
gollygee |
Aug-12-07 07:10 AM |
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Two weeks of groceries for $80? |
Tab |
Aug-12-07 08:00 AM |
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$200-300 in this house per week. |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-12-07 08:58 AM |
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Oh yeah, always higher when there's kids |
dropkickpa |
Aug-12-07 03:23 PM |
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I am a single person. |
RebelOne |
Aug-13-07 07:55 AM |
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Wow! |
dropkickpa |
Aug-13-07 08:43 AM |
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Five things that drain the near-poor: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-12-07 08:35 AM |
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Rental is just a small part of it |
Tab |
Aug-12-07 11:01 AM |
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That's how I was able to pay the dental bills |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-12-07 02:03 PM |
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But you CHOSE to do that, so don't complain |
Wednesdays |
Aug-12-07 03:30 PM |
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What a brilliant and much needed post! When you can afford to send your |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-12-07 08:53 AM |
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My rule of thumb: the FICA cap. |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-12-07 08:55 AM |
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I live in South Manhattan...in 2004 they are saying |
Lucky Luciano |
Aug-12-07 09:29 AM |
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These numbers are TEN bloody years old!!! nt |
Labors of Hercules |
Aug-12-07 09:49 AM |
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Yes, and many people are even further now |
dropkickpa |
Aug-12-07 10:08 AM |
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TEXAS hasn't UPDATED since 1997 !!11! Hmmm. Wonder why? |
elehhhhna |
Aug-12-07 10:29 AM |
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Inflation calculator should help: |
TalkingDog |
Aug-12-07 07:09 PM |
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I already knew I wasn't middle class |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Aug-12-07 10:47 AM |
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K & R This is what John Edwards keeps trying to tell people. |
loudsue |
Aug-12-07 11:21 AM |
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And the Repug constituents.......... |
rucognizant |
Aug-12-07 11:40 AM |
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KR&B! |
Xipe Totec |
Aug-12-07 11:35 AM |
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I'm working class. Always have been. |
FloridaJudy |
Aug-12-07 12:29 PM |
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A great post....a dose of reality....big k&n |
ooglymoogly |
Aug-12-07 12:35 PM |
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Middle-class people have it harder because of Republican policies. But they're hardly poor. |
AnotherGreenWorld |
Aug-12-07 12:44 PM |
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But what I am saying is that |
dropkickpa |
Aug-12-07 03:29 PM |
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Lucky Ducky Here! |
mntleo2 |
Aug-12-07 01:11 PM |
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Most of the snobbish-ness |
dropkickpa |
Aug-12-07 04:14 PM |
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I was born at the end of 1954 |
pink-o |
Aug-12-07 01:33 PM |
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Minor nit pick re civil rights |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-12-07 01:39 PM |
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Yeah, that's true. I meant all the changes in the 70s |
pink-o |
Aug-12-07 02:44 PM |
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Then why do they offshore? |
HypnoToad |
Aug-12-07 02:30 PM |
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This is probably the MOST IMPORTANT post at DU |
ProudDad |
Aug-12-07 02:04 PM |
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Agree with all you said. Too bad posts can't be recommended because |
DemBones DemBones |
Aug-13-07 11:42 PM |
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k&r |
me b zola |
Aug-12-07 02:13 PM |
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Deceit, Misdirection, Relabeling |
TheOtherMaven |
Aug-12-07 02:27 PM |
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Precisely |
dropkickpa |
Aug-12-07 03:06 PM |
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Amen, sister! |
Desertrose |
Aug-12-07 02:28 PM |
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Both of my grandfathers "worked the line" for Ford and Chrysler |
Wednesdays |
Aug-12-07 02:56 PM |
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Debt Is Not The Same As Equity |
Yavin4 |
Aug-12-07 05:39 PM |
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Corporations and the government use outrageous amounts of debt |
Lucky Luciano |
Aug-12-07 09:59 PM |
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i am poor and i know it |
barbtries |
Aug-12-07 07:36 PM |
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Your post reflects my initial reaction to the OP. |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Aug-12-07 07:44 PM |
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Most people are a lot poorer... |
nankerphelge |
Aug-12-07 08:48 PM |
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now amongst the poor, below self-sufficiency for the county |
kineneb |
Aug-12-07 09:24 PM |
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We are the richest country in the world and we live pretty well |
treestar |
Aug-12-07 09:49 PM |
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This is the type of attitude I was talking about |
dropkickpa |
Aug-12-07 10:03 PM |
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compared to some |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-13-07 06:02 AM |
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That's not because American is filled with poor people though. |
AnotherGreenWorld |
Aug-13-07 08:18 AM |
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The term "middle class" has evolved into an opiate of the masses. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-13-07 08:26 AM |
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Middle class and poverty income considerations |
turtlensue |
Aug-13-07 08:38 AM |
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They have adjusted the index many times. |
Doremus |
Aug-13-07 09:02 AM |
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I'd love to find a single,professional mom to home-share |
w8liftinglady |
Aug-13-07 11:15 PM |
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I fell out of the middle class. |
Perragrande |
Aug-13-07 11:20 PM |
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There are an awful lot of unemployed people that are not counted |
DemBones DemBones |
Aug-13-07 11:36 PM |
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I never got unemployment. |
Perragrande |
Aug-14-07 12:19 AM |
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Employers try to prevent you from getting unemployment, even |
DemBones DemBones |
Aug-14-07 11:40 AM |
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I have been looking on craigslist for 5th wheels |
w8liftinglady |
Aug-13-07 11:44 PM |
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Hey, where's Minnesota? |
krispos42 |
Aug-14-07 01:28 AM |
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Hasn't been done |
dropkickpa |
Aug-14-07 01:03 PM |
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Waaaaaa!!! I don't exist anymore!!!! |
krispos42 |
Aug-14-07 01:11 PM |
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The only hope for really poor people is for more and more "muddleclass" people to become POOR. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 01:07 PM |
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Nah, I never really thought that. |
SimpleTrend |
Aug-14-07 01:16 PM |
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"Work hard and you too can get ahead" |
dropkickpa |
Aug-14-07 02:47 PM |
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Just send in to get a bumper sticker |
mbee |
Aug-14-07 02:55 PM |
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Hahaha I'm striving just to make it to lower middle class. nt. |
Javaman |
Aug-14-07 03:55 PM |
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