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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 04:39 PM
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86. The mysogyny is the least of the problem
First let me say that from my time in the navy, this story about this poor young woman is not in the least surprising.

But it's also part of a much bigger problem. The same problem that made the Navy lie about the USS Iowa blowing up and performign a witch hunt against the first women to serve on a ship (accusing them of being lesbains rather then investigate thier charges of harrasment). It's why the military downplays PTSD and Gulf War Syndrome and Depleted uranium, It's why they always seem to need to be forced to acknowledge and investigate when there are potential war crimes. It why there seem to be a whole host of abuses in the military and the people in charge seem to alway be more interested in covering it up then fixing the problem.

Simply put, the military , like so many institutions, is far more concerned with it's image then the harm it's people do. Any abuse or corruption or atrocity committed in it's name is not seen as a problem in and of itself but only in terms of how it plays out in the P.R. So if the rape victim can be said to be a drunken slut, that's a far easier thing to deal with then a rape, from a PR perspective.

As long as that is the case (and what's to make it otherwise?) then the abuses will continue.
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  -Air Force Woman Could Be Convicted in Her Own Rape autorank  Aug-10-07 05:00 PM   #0 
  - K&R  Hydra   Aug-10-07 05:09 PM   #1 
  - This is an Alberto Gonzales moment, beyond that, Alberto on Crack  autorank   Aug-10-07 05:10 PM   #2 
     - This is not even close to new  Hydra   Aug-10-07 05:18 PM   #7 
        - Remember all our female soldiers in Iraq not drinking water after 6 so that  Elspeth   Aug-10-07 06:13 PM   #22 
        - when I was an Air Force airman a sergeant tried to paw me  Skittles   Aug-11-07 01:56 AM   #50 
  - This is normal for service academies  crikkett   Aug-10-07 05:11 PM   #3 
  - I am so sorry  wicket   Aug-10-07 05:13 PM   #5 
  - It's okay.  crikkett   Aug-10-07 06:40 PM   #27 
  - Here's my take:  WileEcoyote   Aug-10-07 11:07 PM   #43 
  - sick SICK SICK  wicket   Aug-10-07 05:13 PM   #4 
  - Giving this thread its fifth recommendation.  Fridays Child   Aug-10-07 05:13 PM   #6 
  - next step--honor killings - nt  pop goes the weasel   Aug-10-07 05:19 PM   #8 
  - Anyone who's been in the military  4nic8em   Aug-10-07 05:19 PM   #9 
  - We used to say that UCMJ stood for  hobbit709   Aug-11-07 08:39 AM   #61 
  - No Words  Me.   Aug-10-07 05:20 PM   #10 
  - Leave it to "Me" to ask the right question, Sherlock Holmes style.  autorank   Aug-11-07 02:35 AM   #52 
  - ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH  gollygee   Aug-10-07 05:21 PM   #11 
  - sweet Jesus. What the HELL IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!?!?!  roguevalley   Aug-10-07 05:23 PM   #12 
  - with all due respect to current and former members of the AF..  frylock   Aug-10-07 05:25 PM   #13 
  - Outrageous!  Sparkly   Aug-10-07 05:25 PM   #14 
  - The Air Force Academy is one seriously fucked up place  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-10-07 05:26 PM   #15 
  - what, no stoning?  iverglas   Aug-10-07 05:30 PM   #16 
  - aargh, it told me it didn't post the first time ... deleted, nt  iverglas   Aug-10-07 05:31 PM   #17 
  - What can we DO about this?  Elspeth   Aug-10-07 05:33 PM   #18 
  - Send it to all our lists. Write Oprah and ask her to cover it. Send it to all the blogs  autorank   Aug-10-07 06:25 PM   #24 
     - Can Congress actually do anything?  Elspeth   Aug-10-07 07:59 PM   #35 
     - Oprah is an excellent idea  LostinVA   Aug-11-07 07:04 AM   #59 
  - What a world we live in.  mod mom   Aug-10-07 05:33 PM   #19 
  - The Ultimate in "Blame the Victim" Mentality  Triana   Aug-10-07 05:50 PM   #20 
  - Yes, but what can we do?  Elspeth   Aug-10-07 05:56 PM   #21 
  - Get It Out in the Blogosphere, YouTube, Etc.  Crisco   Aug-10-07 06:16 PM   #23 
  - until the problem is solved i would suggest not sending your  crikkett   Aug-10-07 06:39 PM   #26 
     - Agreed.  Elspeth   Aug-10-07 07:57 PM   #34 
     - Here's the solution. Have seperate dorms, or wings of dorms, for men and women.  crikkett   Aug-11-07 10:00 AM   #70 
        - Mixed quarters and no locked doors? Everyone should read your post.  Elspeth   Aug-12-07 04:14 PM   #96 
     - Yes, a liberal mom sent her liberally- raised sons to a university with a strong  Ilsa   Aug-11-07 09:41 AM   #68 
  - It definitely makes you think you better hit back hard  Annces   Aug-10-07 06:32 PM   #25 
  - I just read about this  ismnotwasm   Aug-10-07 06:43 PM   #28 
  - and I'm sure the morning after pill was not made available to her  FLDem5   Aug-10-07 06:45 PM   #29 
  - Absolutely disgusting, and a good reason not to join the AF Academy.  Alexander   Aug-10-07 07:17 PM   #30 
  - If anyone here at DU gets a phone call from a recruiter  gollygee   Aug-10-07 07:18 PM   #31 
  - Minor correction: KVUE-TV is in Austin, not Houston.  GOPisEvil   Aug-10-07 07:22 PM   #32 
  - Ha!  fudge stripe cookays   Aug-11-07 02:43 PM   #85 
  - That chapel is the scariest thing I've ever seen.  Jed Dilligan   Aug-10-07 07:26 PM   #33 
  - This is their unique way of getting even for having to accept females.  Peregrine Took   Aug-10-07 08:32 PM   #36 
  - NO that's not it.  crikkett   Aug-11-07 10:02 AM   #71 
  - k+r  Blue_Tires   Aug-10-07 08:42 PM   #37 
  - Where are the people who constantly claim  ThomCat   Aug-10-07 08:47 PM   #38 
  - I will take the bait  Retired AF Dem   Aug-11-07 11:19 AM   #72 
     - The Facts May Have Been Ambiguous  ribofunk   Aug-11-07 12:43 PM   #78 
  - We've long since gone from Orwell or Huxley and are now deep into Kafka.  glitch   Aug-10-07 08:50 PM   #39 
  - WRONG! There are FOUR (not 'three') Academies in the U.S. Armed Forces.  TahitiNut   Aug-10-07 08:59 PM   #40 
  - Actually there are five academies...  JohnLocke   Aug-10-07 10:25 PM   #41 
  - No, I didn't forget. I don't regard them as an Academy for the Armed Forces - commissioning officers  TahitiNut   Aug-10-07 11:00 PM   #42 
     - Merchant marine not a military service?  provis99   Aug-11-07 12:32 AM   #48 
        - Irrelevant.  TahitiNut   Aug-11-07 09:32 AM   #67 
  - The Coast Guard is actually part of Treasury.  hobbit709   Aug-11-07 08:43 AM   #62 
     - It's irrelevant but the USCG is part of the Department of Homeland Security.  TahitiNut   Aug-11-07 08:58 AM   #65 
  - Well, ladies, here's a solution: Cut the Zoomies off  Cobalt-60   Aug-10-07 11:10 PM   #44 
  - rules & regs  msedano   Aug-10-07 11:48 PM   #45 
  - msedano, Thanks for sending me this most important article to post here!  autorank   Aug-11-07 02:44 AM   #54 
     - boiled blood v. sangfroid  msedano   Aug-11-07 08:54 AM   #64 
        - I wonder if anything changed as a result of the reports and efforts?  autorank   Aug-11-07 09:10 PM   #93 
  - Fucking American Taliban.  femrap   Aug-11-07 12:17 AM   #46 
  - why would anyone join this mess  onewholaughsatfools   Aug-11-07 12:18 AM   #47 
  - The gang-rape happened at Pope AFB, NC, not the Air Force Academy  jmowreader   Aug-11-07 12:34 AM   #49 
  - Up is down, black is white, gas is solid...  BushDespiser12   Aug-11-07 02:17 AM   #51 
  - Isn't that the case. The victim is turned into a perpetrator, what b.s.!!!  autorank   Aug-11-07 02:46 AM   #55 
  - Almost worthy of Saudi Arabia. Recommended. Thanks autorank.  Vidar   Aug-11-07 02:41 AM   #53 
  - Thanks Vidar. What a time it's become when that comparision  autorank   Aug-11-07 02:47 AM   #56 
     - Some days it just doesn't pay to be right. Always good to hear from you, autorank.  Vidar   Aug-11-07 08:12 PM   #92 
  - Religion Poisons Everything  NoFederales   Aug-11-07 06:17 AM   #57 
  - What the hell is going on over there?  shenmue   Aug-11-07 06:56 AM   #58 
  - Imperial Amerika can be an ugly and cruel place  tom_paine   Aug-11-07 07:49 AM   #60 
  - I'd nevel let my daughter attend that school.  CanonRay   Aug-11-07 08:51 AM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-11-07 09:07 AM   #66 
  - Awww, boys will be boys...they can't help themselves...she shouldn't  Ilsa   Aug-11-07 09:50 AM   #69 
  - Disgusting...the poor woman.  Elrond Hubbard   Aug-11-07 11:19 AM   #73 
  - Paging Pat Schroeder...  OzarkDem   Aug-11-07 11:26 AM   #74 
  - My daughter considered going to the Air Force Academy.  tblue37   Aug-11-07 11:52 AM   #75 
  - The USAF is the religious rights private military force....  ooglymoogly   Aug-11-07 12:14 PM   #76 
  - Spoilt brats, meet the ethos of the Pentagon, the soft underbelly of the US.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Aug-11-07 12:22 PM   #77 
  - This should NOT be handled by JAG for the prosecution  knight_of_the_star   Aug-11-07 12:54 PM   #79 
  - Do civilian courts even have jurisdiction?  Solon   Aug-11-07 02:00 PM   #83 
     - I doubt it  knight_of_the_star   Aug-12-07 12:57 AM   #94 
  - This woman's predicament is horrible.  TransitJohn   Aug-11-07 01:19 PM   #80 
  - Its systematic...  Solon   Aug-11-07 01:54 PM   #81 
  - k&r...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-11-07 01:56 PM   #82 
  - ARRGGGHHHH!  orleans   Aug-11-07 02:40 PM   #84 
  - The mysogyny is the least of the problem  booley   Aug-11-07 04:39 PM   #86 
  - Great analysis and conclusion.  autorank   Aug-11-07 04:46 PM   #87 
  - There aren't enough details here  treestar   Aug-11-07 04:51 PM   #88 
  - For all we know, she was forcing the 3 men to watch her jingle herself...  HypnoToad   Aug-11-07 05:07 PM   #90 
  - She had a button missing on her uniform.  screembloodymurder   Aug-11-07 05:04 PM   #89 
  - Sept. 24 at Fort Bragg  plantwomyn   Aug-11-07 05:20 PM   #91 
  - jesusfuckingchrist. We're just like Pakistan.  BlooInBloo   Aug-12-07 12:58 AM   #95 
 

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