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Sat Aug-11-07 04:39 PM
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| 86. The mysogyny is the least of the problem |
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First let me say that from my time in the navy, this story about this poor young woman is not in the least surprising.
But it's also part of a much bigger problem. The same problem that made the Navy lie about the USS Iowa blowing up and performign a witch hunt against the first women to serve on a ship (accusing them of being lesbains rather then investigate thier charges of harrasment). It's why the military downplays PTSD and Gulf War Syndrome and Depleted uranium, It's why they always seem to need to be forced to acknowledge and investigate when there are potential war crimes. It why there seem to be a whole host of abuses in the military and the people in charge seem to alway be more interested in covering it up then fixing the problem.
Simply put, the military , like so many institutions, is far more concerned with it's image then the harm it's people do. Any abuse or corruption or atrocity committed in it's name is not seen as a problem in and of itself but only in terms of how it plays out in the P.R. So if the rape victim can be said to be a drunken slut, that's a far easier thing to deal with then a rape, from a PR perspective.
As long as that is the case (and what's to make it otherwise?) then the abuses will continue.
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| -Air Force Woman Could Be Convicted in Her Own Rape |
autorank |
Aug-10-07 05:00 PM |
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K&R |
Hydra |
Aug-10-07 05:09 PM |
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This is an Alberto Gonzales moment, beyond that, Alberto on Crack |
autorank |
Aug-10-07 05:10 PM |
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This is not even close to new |
Hydra |
Aug-10-07 05:18 PM |
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Remember all our female soldiers in Iraq not drinking water after 6 so that |
Elspeth |
Aug-10-07 06:13 PM |
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when I was an Air Force airman a sergeant tried to paw me |
Skittles |
Aug-11-07 01:56 AM |
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This is normal for service academies |
crikkett |
Aug-10-07 05:11 PM |
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I am so sorry |
wicket |
Aug-10-07 05:13 PM |
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It's okay. |
crikkett |
Aug-10-07 06:40 PM |
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Here's my take: |
WileEcoyote |
Aug-10-07 11:07 PM |
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sick SICK SICK |
wicket |
Aug-10-07 05:13 PM |
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Giving this thread its fifth recommendation. |
Fridays Child |
Aug-10-07 05:13 PM |
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next step--honor killings - nt |
pop goes the weasel |
Aug-10-07 05:19 PM |
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Anyone who's been in the military |
4nic8em |
Aug-10-07 05:19 PM |
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We used to say that UCMJ stood for |
hobbit709 |
Aug-11-07 08:39 AM |
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No Words |
Me. |
Aug-10-07 05:20 PM |
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Leave it to "Me" to ask the right question, Sherlock Holmes style. |
autorank |
Aug-11-07 02:35 AM |
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ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH |
gollygee |
Aug-10-07 05:21 PM |
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sweet Jesus. What the HELL IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!?!?! |
roguevalley |
Aug-10-07 05:23 PM |
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with all due respect to current and former members of the AF.. |
frylock |
Aug-10-07 05:25 PM |
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Outrageous! |
Sparkly |
Aug-10-07 05:25 PM |
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The Air Force Academy is one seriously fucked up place |
Husb2Sparkly |
Aug-10-07 05:26 PM |
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what, no stoning? |
iverglas |
Aug-10-07 05:30 PM |
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aargh, it told me it didn't post the first time ... deleted, nt |
iverglas |
Aug-10-07 05:31 PM |
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What can we DO about this? |
Elspeth |
Aug-10-07 05:33 PM |
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Send it to all our lists. Write Oprah and ask her to cover it. Send it to all the blogs |
autorank |
Aug-10-07 06:25 PM |
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Can Congress actually do anything? |
Elspeth |
Aug-10-07 07:59 PM |
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Oprah is an excellent idea |
LostinVA |
Aug-11-07 07:04 AM |
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What a world we live in. |
mod mom |
Aug-10-07 05:33 PM |
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The Ultimate in "Blame the Victim" Mentality |
Triana |
Aug-10-07 05:50 PM |
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Yes, but what can we do? |
Elspeth |
Aug-10-07 05:56 PM |
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Get It Out in the Blogosphere, YouTube, Etc. |
Crisco |
Aug-10-07 06:16 PM |
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until the problem is solved i would suggest not sending your |
crikkett |
Aug-10-07 06:39 PM |
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Agreed. |
Elspeth |
Aug-10-07 07:57 PM |
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Here's the solution. Have seperate dorms, or wings of dorms, for men and women. |
crikkett |
Aug-11-07 10:00 AM |
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Mixed quarters and no locked doors? Everyone should read your post. |
Elspeth |
Aug-12-07 04:14 PM |
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Yes, a liberal mom sent her liberally- raised sons to a university with a strong |
Ilsa |
Aug-11-07 09:41 AM |
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It definitely makes you think you better hit back hard |
Annces |
Aug-10-07 06:32 PM |
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I just read about this |
ismnotwasm |
Aug-10-07 06:43 PM |
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and I'm sure the morning after pill was not made available to her |
FLDem5 |
Aug-10-07 06:45 PM |
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Absolutely disgusting, and a good reason not to join the AF Academy. |
Alexander |
Aug-10-07 07:17 PM |
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If anyone here at DU gets a phone call from a recruiter |
gollygee |
Aug-10-07 07:18 PM |
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Minor correction: KVUE-TV is in Austin, not Houston. |
GOPisEvil |
Aug-10-07 07:22 PM |
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Ha! |
fudge stripe cookays |
Aug-11-07 02:43 PM |
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That chapel is the scariest thing I've ever seen. |
Jed Dilligan |
Aug-10-07 07:26 PM |
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This is their unique way of getting even for having to accept females. |
Peregrine Took |
Aug-10-07 08:32 PM |
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NO that's not it. |
crikkett |
Aug-11-07 10:02 AM |
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k+r |
Blue_Tires |
Aug-10-07 08:42 PM |
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Where are the people who constantly claim |
ThomCat |
Aug-10-07 08:47 PM |
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I will take the bait |
Retired AF Dem |
Aug-11-07 11:19 AM |
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The Facts May Have Been Ambiguous |
ribofunk |
Aug-11-07 12:43 PM |
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We've long since gone from Orwell or Huxley and are now deep into Kafka. |
glitch |
Aug-10-07 08:50 PM |
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WRONG! There are FOUR (not 'three') Academies in the U.S. Armed Forces. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-10-07 08:59 PM |
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Actually there are five academies... |
JohnLocke |
Aug-10-07 10:25 PM |
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No, I didn't forget. I don't regard them as an Academy for the Armed Forces - commissioning officers |
TahitiNut |
Aug-10-07 11:00 PM |
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Merchant marine not a military service? |
provis99 |
Aug-11-07 12:32 AM |
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Irrelevant. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-11-07 09:32 AM |
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The Coast Guard is actually part of Treasury. |
hobbit709 |
Aug-11-07 08:43 AM |
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It's irrelevant but the USCG is part of the Department of Homeland Security. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-11-07 08:58 AM |
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Well, ladies, here's a solution: Cut the Zoomies off |
Cobalt-60 |
Aug-10-07 11:10 PM |
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rules & regs |
msedano |
Aug-10-07 11:48 PM |
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msedano, Thanks for sending me this most important article to post here! |
autorank |
Aug-11-07 02:44 AM |
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boiled blood v. sangfroid |
msedano |
Aug-11-07 08:54 AM |
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I wonder if anything changed as a result of the reports and efforts? |
autorank |
Aug-11-07 09:10 PM |
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Fucking American Taliban. |
femrap |
Aug-11-07 12:17 AM |
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why would anyone join this mess |
onewholaughsatfools |
Aug-11-07 12:18 AM |
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The gang-rape happened at Pope AFB, NC, not the Air Force Academy |
jmowreader |
Aug-11-07 12:34 AM |
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Up is down, black is white, gas is solid... |
BushDespiser12 |
Aug-11-07 02:17 AM |
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Isn't that the case. The victim is turned into a perpetrator, what b.s.!!! |
autorank |
Aug-11-07 02:46 AM |
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Almost worthy of Saudi Arabia. Recommended. Thanks autorank. |
Vidar |
Aug-11-07 02:41 AM |
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Thanks Vidar. What a time it's become when that comparision |
autorank |
Aug-11-07 02:47 AM |
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Some days it just doesn't pay to be right. Always good to hear from you, autorank. |
Vidar |
Aug-11-07 08:12 PM |
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Religion Poisons Everything |
NoFederales |
Aug-11-07 06:17 AM |
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What the hell is going on over there? |
shenmue |
Aug-11-07 06:56 AM |
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Imperial Amerika can be an ugly and cruel place |
tom_paine |
Aug-11-07 07:49 AM |
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I'd nevel let my daughter attend that school. |
CanonRay |
Aug-11-07 08:51 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-11-07 09:07 AM |
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Awww, boys will be boys...they can't help themselves...she shouldn't |
Ilsa |
Aug-11-07 09:50 AM |
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Disgusting...the poor woman. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-11-07 11:19 AM |
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Paging Pat Schroeder... |
OzarkDem |
Aug-11-07 11:26 AM |
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My daughter considered going to the Air Force Academy. |
tblue37 |
Aug-11-07 11:52 AM |
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The USAF is the religious rights private military force.... |
ooglymoogly |
Aug-11-07 12:14 PM |
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Spoilt brats, meet the ethos of the Pentagon, the soft underbelly of the US. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-11-07 12:22 PM |
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This should NOT be handled by JAG for the prosecution |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-11-07 12:54 PM |
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Do civilian courts even have jurisdiction? |
Solon |
Aug-11-07 02:00 PM |
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I doubt it |
knight_of_the_star |
Aug-12-07 12:57 AM |
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This woman's predicament is horrible. |
TransitJohn |
Aug-11-07 01:19 PM |
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Its systematic... |
Solon |
Aug-11-07 01:54 PM |
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k&r...n/t |
Madspirit |
Aug-11-07 01:56 PM |
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ARRGGGHHHH! |
orleans |
Aug-11-07 02:40 PM |
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The mysogyny is the least of the problem |
booley |
Aug-11-07 04:39 PM |
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Great analysis and conclusion. |
autorank |
Aug-11-07 04:46 PM |
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There aren't enough details here |
treestar |
Aug-11-07 04:51 PM |
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For all we know, she was forcing the 3 men to watch her jingle herself... |
HypnoToad |
Aug-11-07 05:07 PM |
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She had a button missing on her uniform. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-11-07 05:04 PM |
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Sept. 24 at Fort Bragg |
plantwomyn |
Aug-11-07 05:20 PM |
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jesusfuckingchrist. We're just like Pakistan. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-12-07 12:58 AM |
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