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10. We aren't talking about beating the kid to death here, but a little smack on the butt ....
Never did a dam thing to hurt a kid who was acting like an asshole.
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  -Spanking IS Abuse Madspirit  Aug-09-07 05:32 PM   #0 
  - Yep.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-09-07 05:34 PM   #1 
  - How do you describe spanking? n/t  napi21   Aug-09-07 05:34 PM   #2 
  - you mean, what is the act of spanking?  lynnertic   Aug-09-07 05:41 PM   #15 
     - I don't know how this applies to rehabilitation.  redqueen   Aug-09-07 05:50 PM   #38 
     - It's a matter of degrees and what you think works for you and your child.  lynnertic   Aug-09-07 11:26 PM   #112 
        - The Experts Say  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:58 PM   #152 
           - Thanks.  lynnertic   Aug-11-07 03:34 PM   #247 
     - See, I'm in your camp...  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:27 PM   #92 
  - You may have just opened a can of worms!  Sadie4629   Aug-09-07 05:35 PM   #3 
  - And So Is Any Kind of Parental Discipline  stirlingsliver   Aug-09-07 05:35 PM   #4 
  - "Discipline" means "Teach", not "Punish"  gollygee   Aug-09-07 05:37 PM   #8 
  - Teaching That Is Bullying in DIsguise is Abuse  stirlingsliver   Aug-09-07 05:43 PM   #17 
  - That's true  gollygee   Aug-09-07 05:46 PM   #24 
  - Hmmmm  George65   Aug-09-07 07:48 PM   #87 
  - Children are not born socialized. It takes a lot of  tblue37   Aug-09-07 08:51 PM   #103 
  - And when they act like actual children...  Deep13   Aug-09-07 05:43 PM   #20 
     - I'm a mom  gollygee   Aug-09-07 05:47 PM   #30 
     - And when your 2 yo kid runs out into the street...  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:36 PM   #94 
        - Yes they do pay attention  gollygee   Aug-09-07 08:39 PM   # 
        - Under the age of 2, actually.  Clark2008   Aug-09-07 09:29 PM   #107 
     - Read  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 01:00 PM   #154 
  - Are you COMPLETELY NUTS?  napi21   Aug-09-07 05:40 PM   #14 
  - I beg your pardon. You make that sound like a Bad Thing.  TahitiNut   Aug-09-07 05:52 PM   #45 
  - I'm a little acorn, brown...  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 07:23 PM   #81 
  - I would completely disagree with that  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-09-07 05:52 PM   #46 
  - You don't beat love and respect into children...  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 07:25 PM   #82 
  - I'm afraid I'm fairly sure the statistics would show you're wrong.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-11-07 03:51 PM   #250 
  - Go "spank" an adult, and see what happens.  bobbolink   Aug-09-07 09:02 PM   #105 
  - Spanking is not discipline.  verse18   Aug-09-07 05:43 PM   #18 
  - The Goal Of Discipline is to Stop "Bad" Behavior  stirlingsliver   Aug-09-07 05:47 PM   #28 
  - Do you pull over when the police lights come on behind you in traffic?  nini   Aug-09-07 05:59 PM   #54 
  - I sure hope you don't have any kids.  Odin2005   Aug-09-07 06:52 PM   #71 
  - Spanking a kid with a diaper is different than an adult punching another adult.  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:39 PM   #95 
  - That's hilarious.  redqueen   Aug-09-07 05:51 PM   #41 
  - I agree. Children shouldn't be schooled, either. That is also abusive.  kwassa   Aug-09-07 05:54 PM   #48 
  - LOL  Rosemary2205   Aug-09-07 06:47 PM   #69 
  - oh brother -- from one who is 100% against spanking  LostinVA   Aug-09-07 06:03 PM   #56 
  - Bwahahaha  meowomon   Aug-09-07 06:05 PM   #59 
  - You should meet my brother.  Marr   Aug-10-07 10:10 AM   #135 
  - A child who runs into the street.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-10-07 12:25 PM   #141 
  - You don't have kids, do you? nt  Dulcinea   Aug-10-07 12:29 PM   #142 
  - You're joking, right?  Terran   Aug-10-07 01:03 PM   #156 
  - There are times when a child needs to be controlled...even restrained.  GoddessOfGuinness   Aug-10-07 02:19 PM   #185 
  - wow... i bet you really believe this  mimitabby   Aug-10-07 04:17 PM   #206 
  - Not teaching kids about behavioral limits can make them naive and get them killed  HughMoran   Aug-10-07 04:53 PM   #222 
  - You are completely, totally wrong.  Midlodemocrat   Aug-11-07 10:29 AM   #244 
  - Let me guess - you don't have any children, do you?  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-11-07 03:47 PM   #249 
  - Apparently, you know nothing about children or behavior management  mitchum   Aug-11-07 04:21 PM   #256 
  - Thank you Madspirit.  verse18   Aug-09-07 05:35 PM   #5 
  - Agreed. And it teaches kids violence  Taverner   Aug-09-07 05:35 PM   #6 
  - I am living proof your belief is grossly inaccurate.  HypnoToad   Aug-09-07 05:38 PM   #11 
  - It won't make them violent, but it teaches violence  Taverner   Aug-09-07 05:40 PM   #12 
  - So does music, video games, TV, gang fights on the street corner...  HypnoToad   Aug-09-07 05:42 PM   #16 
  - Yes but a parent is much more of a role model than Bruce Willis  Taverner   Aug-09-07 05:44 PM   #21 
     - totally agree. Based on my own childhood and the beatings that my stepfather gave me  chimpsrsmarter   Aug-09-07 05:48 PM   #33 
     - Whoa, that's quite a memory.  JudyM   Aug-10-07 09:57 AM   #128 
     - And, To A Child, A Parent Is FAR More Powerful Than Bruce Willis  stirlingsliver   Aug-09-07 05:51 PM   #40 
     - Telling kids to not play video games is bullying?  Odin2005   Aug-09-07 06:54 PM   #73 
     - You are off base.  juajen   Aug-10-07 12:22 AM   #114 
  - Good. Violence is real. They should know about it.  Deep13   Aug-09-07 05:45 PM   #23 
  - Know it and know it's not a good thing to do.  HypnoToad   Aug-09-07 05:50 PM   #37 
  - What balogna  Mojorabbit   Aug-09-07 05:47 PM   #26 
  - Living on planet Earth teaches kids what violence is... eom  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 05:51 PM   #39 
  - You simply have no right  Madspirit   Aug-09-07 05:49 PM   #34 
  - Yep!  Taverner   Aug-09-07 05:54 PM   #49 
  - See, I was never beaten until bloody  Progressive_In_NC   Aug-10-07 07:32 AM   #125 
  - Time-outs don't work with my kids either.  Dulcinea   Aug-10-07 12:44 PM   #144 
  - i was gonna ask you if you've tried positive reinforcement when  orleans   Aug-10-07 02:59 PM   #196 
  - agree. n/t  orleans   Aug-10-07 02:42 PM   #194 
  - Me too, Hypnotoad  vanboggie   Aug-09-07 08:03 PM   #90 
  - Blech  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:54 PM   #147 
  - I'm not a violent person...  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:40 PM   #96 
  - "Spoil the child, spare the rod"?  HypnoToad   Aug-09-07 05:36 PM   #7 
  - How Is That Different Than Bush Threatening Iran If They Don't Know Their Place?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-09-07 05:37 PM   #9 
     - I don't understand the correlation.  HypnoToad   Aug-09-07 05:40 PM   #13 
     - You Suggested That Violence Is Justified When Someone Doesn't Know Their Place  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-09-07 05:47 PM   #29 
     - FUNNIEST POST EVER AT DU!! LOLOLOL  nini   Aug-09-07 08:15 PM   #91 
        - I Was Using Absurdity To Highlight Absurdity  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 06:21 AM   #121 
  - We aren't talking about beating the kid to death here, but a little smack on the butt ....  ThomWV   Aug-09-07 05:38 PM   #10 
  - Spanking a child  KCdemocrat   Aug-09-07 05:43 PM   #19 
  - And children have no concept of aggression.  HypnoToad   Aug-09-07 05:50 PM   #35 
  - Preciesely correct.  redqueen   Aug-09-07 05:44 PM   #22 
  - please consider and comment upon my comment #15  lynnertic   Aug-09-07 05:48 PM   #31 
  - Yelling at kids is abuse...  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 05:47 PM   #25 
  - Yes.  Deep13   Aug-09-07 06:05 PM   #58 
     - It's good to let your kids see you count to ten too...  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 06:12 PM   #62 
        - HAve fun reasoning with a toddler about why you're upset.  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:43 PM   #97 
           - They only understand emotions...  Juniperx   Aug-10-07 10:12 AM   #136 
  - Thank you for this.  katsy   Aug-09-07 05:47 PM   #27 
  - This is almost as fun as reading Fundies say the Darnedest Things.  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:44 PM   #98 
     - Well I am kind of the polar opposite of a fundie...  katsy   Aug-09-07 11:04 PM   #109 
  - Bringing a child into this fucked up world is abuse... eom  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 05:48 PM   #32 
  - Exactly!  stirlingsliver   Aug-09-07 05:53 PM   #47 
  - I am the parent of three adult children...  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 06:09 PM   #60 
  - I seriously doubt if that is what they meant.  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:46 PM   #100 
  - THank you...I could not agree more!!!  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:45 PM   #99 
  - Even monkeys don't hit their young  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-09-07 05:50 PM   #36 
  - You need to learn more about monkeys.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-09-07 06:44 PM   #68 
  - But I like being spanked.  kwassa   Aug-09-07 05:51 PM   #42 
  - Kinkiness between consenting adults doesn't count n/t  Prophet 451   Aug-09-07 06:39 PM   #65 
  - I'm dealing with a similar case at our hospital  verse18   Aug-09-07 05:51 PM   #43 
  - That's not spanking...  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-09-07 08:46 PM   #101 
  - Negotiating with children...  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 05:51 PM   #44 
  - Absolutely.  Deep13   Aug-09-07 06:03 PM   #57 
  - Yet those  H2O Man   Aug-09-07 06:18 PM   #63 
     - Nope, not by a long shot...  Juniperx   Aug-09-07 07:18 PM   #78 
  - We want our children to be narcissistic assholes.  Deep13   Aug-09-07 05:55 PM   #50 
  - Then why have the most violent civilizations been the ones with the most physical punishment?  gollygee   Aug-09-07 05:57 PM   #51 
  - I'm not suggesting we need the "most" physical punishments.  Deep13   Aug-09-07 06:02 PM   #55 
  - She is a German psychologist.  Perragrande   Aug-09-07 08:47 PM   #102 
  - Oh, I have read Alice Miller. Two of her books are right in front of me on  tblue37   Aug-09-07 09:07 PM   #106 
  - I repeat: Even monkeys don't hit their young.  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-09-07 05:59 PM   #53 
  - Tigers eat their young...  Balbus   Aug-09-07 07:02 PM   #75 
  - Not as a form of discipline. n/t  redqueen   Aug-10-07 09:54 AM   #127 
  - Monkeys don't have to survive in human civilization.  Deep13   Aug-09-07 07:27 PM   #83 
  - "He had some insipid ideas about nature"...  mitchum   Aug-11-07 04:28 PM   #258 
  - I agree with you, witth the caveat that it depends on the child  wlucinda   Aug-09-07 06:10 PM   #61 
  - Discipline is should never be simply an angry reaction.  Deep13   Aug-09-07 07:30 PM   #85 
  - If we continue to sow violence...  mikelgb   Aug-10-07 03:21 PM   #198 
     - Distaining violence is for people...  Deep13   Aug-10-07 03:55 PM   #201 
  - As usual, the unacceptable is accepted...but not by me  Hydra   Aug-09-07 05:58 PM   #52 
  - You're never going to win this one  Prophet 451   Aug-09-07 06:37 PM   #64 
  - "Spare the rod...." Could Solomon have meant that literally?  mzmolly   Aug-09-07 06:41 PM   #66 
  - I think that's exaggerating a bit.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-09-07 06:41 PM   #67 
  - Nope  LostInAnomie   Aug-09-07 06:52 PM   #70 
  - Blech  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:55 PM   #148 
  - spanking is simply an obvious sign of a failed parent  unblock   Aug-09-07 06:52 PM   #72 
  - I guess my parents are failures because they spanked me.  neverforget   Aug-10-07 04:19 PM   #209 
  - I don't have kids, but I am a teacher  KitSileya   Aug-09-07 06:57 PM   #74 
  - I'm always amazed  SheilaT   Aug-09-07 07:05 PM   #76 
  - Ever tried to keep a toddler away from a hot stove?  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-09-07 07:14 PM   #77 
  - Yes, mine.  mzmolly   Aug-09-07 07:20 PM   #79 
  - Forbidden fruit is always the most desired..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-09-07 08:28 PM   #93 
  - Along with child proofing and common sense.  Midlodemocrat   Aug-11-07 10:32 AM   #245 
  - You're just an inept parent if you can't figure out another way to get the message through  slackmaster   Aug-09-07 07:27 PM   #84 
  - Thanks for referring to that bible verse in context!  redqueen   Aug-10-07 09:58 AM   #129 
     - You're welcome..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-10-07 01:17 PM   #161 
        - Amusing is one way to look at it...  redqueen   Aug-10-07 01:40 PM   #170 
           - Why sad?  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-10-07 01:42 PM   #172 
              - Cause you'd think religious people  redqueen   Aug-10-07 01:53 PM   #175 
                 - Ah..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-10-07 04:17 PM   #207 
                    - Or someone with very confusing parents!  redqueen   Aug-10-07 04:54 PM   #223 
                       - My parents were fairly confusing..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-10-07 05:06 PM   #227 
                          - It's good...  redqueen   Aug-10-07 05:35 PM   #234 
                             - Well, yeah..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-10-07 07:41 PM   #239 
                                - Oh yeah... but that's good, too.  redqueen   Aug-10-07 07:42 PM   #240 
  - That's Just A Tad Over The Top.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-09-07 07:20 PM   #80 
  - Blech  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:53 PM   #146 
  - Bulldab.  Oldenuff   Aug-09-07 07:43 PM   #86 
  - if spanking "works" then how come these kids don't just get spanked once?  kmlewis   Aug-09-07 07:49 PM   #88 
  - That's a pretty unrealistic standard to set.  LostInAnomie   Aug-09-07 07:57 PM   #89 
  - Of course it is!  bobbolink   Aug-09-07 08:59 PM   #104 
  - If you made your spouse to sit in "time out" when they upset you, that would be abuse too.  enki23   Aug-09-07 11:22 PM   #110 
     - I disagree.  redqueen   Aug-10-07 10:00 AM   #130 
     - Not hardly.  bobbolink   Aug-11-07 04:16 PM   #254 
  - I'm a parenting researcher (published papers on discipline) and  moc   Aug-09-07 10:09 PM   #108 
  - Umm..I'm the OP. I'm not Alice Miller...  Madspirit   Aug-09-07 11:26 PM   #111 
  - Lastly  Madspirit   Aug-09-07 11:36 PM   #113 
     - Funny, I think it's arrogant to declare every parent who spanks abusive.  moc   Aug-10-07 06:08 AM   #117 
     - The Hypocrisy Or Double Standards Here Is What I Find Remarkable  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 07:01 AM   #123 
        - Great post... eventually we'll catch up with them there, too.  redqueen   Aug-10-07 10:02 AM   #131 
        - Would you please provide a link or two for that statement?  Terran   Aug-10-07 01:33 PM   #168 
           - Here  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 04:05 PM   #204 
     - Ha! Now I remember why I had put you on my ignore list  ComerPerro   Aug-10-07 12:35 PM   #143 
        - How exactly am I a hypocrite  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:49 PM   #145 
        - Ok, I appreciate your words on that matter. Let me clarify and apologize  ComerPerro   Aug-10-07 01:03 PM   #157 
           - I also have a temper Comero  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 01:23 PM   #165 
        - Blech  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:55 PM   #149 
  - Spanking MAY BE abuse, but not shown by says-me name-calling writ.  Festivito   Aug-10-07 04:38 AM   #115 
  - From The American Psychological Association  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 06:06 AM   #116 
  - From The American Academy Of Pediatrics  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 06:12 AM   #118 
  - More  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 06:14 AM   #119 
  - More  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 06:15 AM   #120 
  - Not all parents are perfect..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-10-07 07:06 AM   #124 
     - So... spank them now so you don't beat them later?  redqueen   Aug-10-07 10:03 AM   #132 
        - In so many words,  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-10-07 09:17 PM   #241 
  - for the most part I agree, but  Dragonbreathp9d   Aug-10-07 06:33 AM   #122 
  - My two have never been struck, and they're poster children for not spanking.  byronius   Aug-10-07 09:36 AM   #126 
  - I took mine to fancy restaurants when they were toddlers... and we got COMPLIMENTS  redqueen   Aug-10-07 10:05 AM   #133 
     - Same here. People would routinely come up to us and  Midlodemocrat   Aug-11-07 10:34 AM   #246 
  - Mispost  Marr   Aug-10-07 10:07 AM   #134 
  - I'm against spanking, because most of the time when I and my sibs  raccoon   Aug-10-07 10:20 AM   #137 
  - I'm not even going to get into the details  CRF450   Aug-10-07 10:50 AM   #138 
  - Crack a book, read a link, learn something  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:56 PM   #150 
     - No thanks  CRF450   Aug-10-07 01:00 PM   #153 
        - Not even open-minded enough to read something?!  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 01:02 PM   #155 
           - Underhanded accusations of trolling?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-10-07 01:05 PM   #158 
           - You Know Me Better Than That Bornagin  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 01:21 PM   #163 
              - Oh cut the crap.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-10-07 01:25 PM   #166 
                 - rofl  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 01:59 PM   #176 
                 - Hey Friend  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 04:08 PM   #205 
                    - Not really that progressive  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 04:25 PM   #212 
                    - I'm not.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-10-07 04:31 PM   #216 
           - I'v seen this kind of topic before many times and have read articles from the so called "experts"  CRF450   Aug-10-07 01:06 PM   #159 
              - So called experts?  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 01:19 PM   #162 
                 - I get it  Terran   Aug-10-07 01:41 PM   #171 
                    - Then The Onus Is On You To Cite Studies That Contradict The Anti-Spanking Studies...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 04:45 PM   #220 
                       - I would say that  Terran   Aug-10-07 04:55 PM   #224 
                          - You Mean Like The Guy Who Smoked Two Packs Of Cigarettes A Day And Lived To One Hundred...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 05:04 PM   #226 
                          - Thank-you!...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 05:21 PM   #231 
                             - The Studies Are What They Are...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-10-07 05:39 PM   #235 
                          - Putting Words in Our Mouths  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 05:20 PM   #229 
  - Give me a break  slutticus   Aug-10-07 10:51 AM   #139 
  - Agreed  CRF450   Aug-10-07 10:56 AM   #140 
  - Crack a book; read a link; learn something  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:56 PM   #151 
  - Oh, a spanking thread!  cynatnite   Aug-10-07 01:17 PM   #160 
  - I was abused  IronLionZion   Aug-10-07 01:23 PM   #164 
  - If a teacher ever spanked a kid of mine, I'd beat the teacher's ass to a bloody pulp.  Alexander   Aug-10-07 01:31 PM   #167 
  - Hi Alexander  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 02:09 PM   #181 
     - You know, I can barely even remember.  Alexander   Aug-10-07 07:26 PM   #238 
  - Madspirit, this has gone on long enough  CRF450   Aug-10-07 01:37 PM   #169 
  - Spanking is abuse  Bjornsdotter   Aug-10-07 01:47 PM   #173 
  - We are always trailing behind  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 02:06 PM   #180 
     - Neandrethals. Ask a spanker this:  katsy   Aug-10-07 05:21 PM   #230 
        - Right On!...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 05:23 PM   #232 
  - I am not Alice Miller  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 02:02 PM   #178 
  - ...and  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 02:11 PM   #182 
     - Experience  CRF450   Aug-10-07 02:22 PM   #186 
        - Would she...  Bjornsdotter   Aug-10-07 02:31 PM   #190 
        - Disturbing...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 02:32 PM   #191 
  - Why is calling them abusers over the top?  Stuckinthebush   Aug-10-07 02:35 PM   #192 
     - hee...Great post  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 03:58 PM   #202 
  - Spanking is  Bjornsdotter   Aug-10-07 01:51 PM   #174 
  - So my parents have failed at raising me?  CRF450   Aug-10-07 02:01 PM   #177 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-10-07 02:04 PM   #179 
     - Did your parents spank you?  Bjornsdotter   Aug-10-07 02:13 PM   #183 
        - See my earlier posts  CRF450   Aug-10-07 02:18 PM   #184 
           - You got spanked  Bjornsdotter   Aug-10-07 02:26 PM   #187 
           - Beautifully Put...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 02:30 PM   #189 
           - Very well said.  Exiled in America   Aug-10-07 03:24 PM   #199 
           - In My Opinion  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 02:29 PM   #188 
              - And at the other end of the spectrum...  cynatnite   Aug-10-07 02:41 PM   #193 
                 - I NEVER claimed what you are saying I claimed. NEVER!  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 03:53 PM   #200 
                    - So you were beaten until bloody with leather, and you think we experienced the same thing?  CRF450   Aug-10-07 04:04 PM   #203 
                    - Never said that either  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 04:18 PM   #208 
                       - OMG yes you did!! Post #34!  CRF450   Aug-10-07 04:22 PM   #211 
                          - I Never said I didn't say the thing about me being whipped  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 04:27 PM   #214 
                             - no no no, you said you were wear beaten  CRF450   Aug-10-07 04:37 PM   #217 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-10-07 04:45 PM   #219 
                    - I think you need a time out  neverforget   Aug-10-07 04:26 PM   #213 
                    - You seem a little overwrought...  cynatnite   Aug-10-07 09:20 PM   #242 
  - Hogwash. n/t  quiet.american   Aug-10-07 02:43 PM   #195 
  - There are degrees of abuse.  Exiled in America   Aug-10-07 03:13 PM   #197 
  - RE: moral, immoral... etc.  Cyanella   Aug-10-07 06:38 PM   #237 
     - Find one instance in my post where I used the word "immoral" or "moral."  Exiled in America   Aug-11-07 10:22 AM   #243 
        - Find one...  Cyanella   Aug-11-07 04:24 PM   #257 
           - "I have better things [to do] than carefully examining [your comment]."  Exiled in America   Aug-11-07 05:19 PM   #259 
  - JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE SPANKED AS A CHILD DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT!  verse18   Aug-10-07 04:21 PM   #210 
  - They don't get it at ALL...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 04:31 PM   #215 
  - My mother is horrible in your eyes then  nini   Aug-10-07 04:43 PM   #218 
  - I don't think your mother is horrible at all  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 04:52 PM   #221 
  - What if you likes bein spanked?....BWAAAAA!  BornagainDUer   Aug-10-07 04:58 PM   #225 
  - Consenting Adult...whatever...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 05:08 PM   #228 
     - What if yer not adult and still likes it?  BornagainDUer   Aug-10-07 05:33 PM   #233 
        - You're a NAUGHTY NAUGHTY devil...  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 06:15 PM   #236 
  - I think I was spanked maybe 2, 3 times tops  frogcycle   Aug-11-07 03:47 PM   #248 
  - I know this isn't scientific but...  bedpanartist   Aug-11-07 03:59 PM   #251 
  - "spanking is abuse" is hyperbolic, but the anti-spanking people are more right than wrong on this.  aikoaiko   Aug-11-07 03:59 PM   #252 
  - I think it's worse when you're older.  InvisibleTouch   Aug-11-07 04:01 PM   #253 
  - It certainly is abuse  mitchum   Aug-11-07 04:16 PM   #255 
  - Locking  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-11-07 05:31 PM   #260 
 

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