| 197. Well, that's one (bleak) view of the 60s |
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Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 02:10 PM by ProudDad
from someone who wasn't there...
I was there though. I started H.S. in the 50s, went through the Eisenhower/nixon doldrums and repression. I still remember the feeling of the post-joe-mccarthy social paranoia when I entered H.S....
I remember Jim Crow. I remember riding in the back of the bus down South because as a relatively non-racist white I perceived a better class of people riding in the back of the bus.
There was a SEA CHANGE that occurred in the 60s.
In the late 50s or early 60s, the folks running this site would be at best hounded by the FBI and the House Un-American Activities Committee or at worst, arrested, tried and sent to prison.
The type of statements I make every day on this board would qualify me for a blacklist in the 50s.
We ended that. We also ended Johnson/nixon's dirty fucking little war... We had ideals, values and hope.
Please don't buy into the repuke revisionist "history" designed to make you feel impotent. We did a HELL OF A LOT in the 60s.
What you're seeing now is probably the last dying gasps of the backlash to our progress in the 60s.
The man only wins when you LET him win.
As the White Rabbit said, "Feed your head!" -- but don't feed it right-wing bullshit. Feed it with confidence and hope...
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| -A quick message for those that think the working poor should just "Get better jobs". |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 02:14 PM |
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Kick! n/t |
snappyturtle |
Aug-09-07 02:22 PM |
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Not to say this isn't so but I have observed something else too. |
Sapere aude |
Aug-09-07 02:23 PM |
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Accounting is one of the best fields to be in right now |
Sadie4629 |
Aug-09-07 02:29 PM |
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When I graduated I had to do the "books" no computer. |
Sapere aude |
Aug-09-07 02:52 PM |
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An MBA is no substitute for real life on-the-job experience. |
Selatius |
Aug-09-07 07:46 PM |
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It sure as shit is if the job requires it |
cgrindley |
Aug-10-07 01:48 PM |
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Your last statements don't compute |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 01:59 PM |
#136 |
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Experience from the 70s doesn't mean anything |
cgrindley |
Aug-10-07 02:19 PM |
#144 |
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I'm not a boomer... |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 03:00 PM |
#162 |
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Yeah, I'm pure Gen X and the world can't be changed |
cgrindley |
Aug-10-07 07:46 PM |
#179 |
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ouch. |
LiberalAndProud |
Aug-10-07 08:04 PM |
#181 |
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yep, your pure gen X--look out for #1 and to hell with everybody else |
book_worm |
Aug-11-07 09:59 AM |
#188 |
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Well, that's one (bleak) view of the 60s |
ProudDad |
Aug-11-07 02:09 PM |
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The Dept of labor |
speakclearly |
Aug-10-07 10:33 AM |
#102 |
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"poor people" |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 12:21 PM |
#110 |
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This is what we have been advising younger people to do |
Hestia |
Aug-10-07 01:42 PM |
#130 |
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The "poor people" |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:03 PM |
#137 |
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I did all sorts of shitty jobs before I got my current job |
nxylas |
Aug-10-07 11:07 AM |
#103 |
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IBM is outsourcing everything but controllers and VPs to India now |
Progressive_In_NC |
Aug-10-07 02:05 PM |
#138 |
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Could it be there is a bit of "ageism" going on? |
zanne |
Aug-10-07 09:15 AM |
#95 |
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I ran into that same sort of thing |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 01:48 PM |
#134 |
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It is age discrimination and it happens a lot in the computer biz |
demobabe |
Aug-10-07 08:29 PM |
#183 |
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And high-caffeine cola |
ProudDad |
Aug-11-07 02:12 PM |
#198 |
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Ageism is absolutely rampant in America today. |
greyhound1966 |
Aug-10-07 02:51 PM |
#159 |
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Or do what I did |
ProudDad |
Aug-11-07 02:14 PM |
#199 |
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K&R. Love Barbara, love Bill. nt |
eppur_se_muova |
Aug-09-07 02:29 PM |
#3 |
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I work in food service, and just about every coworker I've known |
RandomKoolzip |
Aug-09-07 02:33 PM |
#5 |
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Fiscal conservatives might try entering the world of reality? |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 02:46 PM |
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That's a big assumption-- |
Sadie4629 |
Aug-09-07 02:57 PM |
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Yeah, I know. People who go into engineering, science, etc. get ahead. Whoopty shit. |
RandomKoolzip |
Aug-09-07 03:17 PM |
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not sure about engineering |
hfojvt |
Aug-09-07 03:36 PM |
#24 |
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I worked as a janitor for a while, too. |
RandomKoolzip |
Aug-09-07 03:48 PM |
#33 |
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Been there, done that |
Sadie4629 |
Aug-09-07 03:47 PM |
#32 |
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You never had to think, organize your thoughts, and communicate with others in ANY of your jobs? |
Iris |
Aug-09-07 04:32 PM |
#44 |
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You don't have to have a degree in English |
Sadie4629 |
Aug-09-07 04:49 PM |
#48 |
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Actually, my post was about writing and thinking, not English degress. And becoming literate. |
Iris |
Aug-09-07 05:01 PM |
#51 |
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OK. I misunderstood. |
Sadie4629 |
Aug-09-07 05:23 PM |
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Most positions don't really require a degree in anything. |
Iris |
Aug-09-07 07:59 PM |
#68 |
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It's an HR disqualification criteria |
Nobody |
Aug-10-07 08:45 AM |
#91 |
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Check this out for HR disqualification efforts |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:10 PM |
#141 |
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Is your hint for people getting their first job out of college? |
Iris |
Aug-10-07 04:59 PM |
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That explains why |
Nobody |
Aug-10-07 08:32 AM |
#86 |
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you forgot , "we have to solution this opportunity".....(translation - |
ladywnch |
Aug-10-07 12:57 PM |
#121 |
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Exactly. And also shows the insecurity of the people in these positions. |
Iris |
Aug-10-07 05:01 PM |
#171 |
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Spell check eliminated the need for proofreaders? |
eridani |
Aug-09-07 09:08 PM |
#76 |
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Thank you! So many people think spellcheck catches everything. |
raccoon |
Aug-10-07 08:36 AM |
#88 |
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Whenever there were rumors of layoffs |
GMFORD |
Aug-10-07 01:29 PM |
#128 |
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Is 'proofreader' even a job? |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 12:03 PM |
#108 |
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Proofreader is a job at typesetters, printers .... |
Scout |
Aug-10-07 04:13 PM |
#165 |
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I have seen ads for proof readers before |
Nikia |
Aug-11-07 12:35 PM |
#190 |
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Ever see "The Corporation"? |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:07 PM |
#139 |
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Hey, I think I saw you in Ratatouille. You're the man who killed a person with his thumb, right? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-09-07 04:42 PM |
#47 |
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Guilty as charged! |
RandomKoolzip |
Aug-09-07 07:13 PM |
#61 |
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I loved "Ratatouille". And here's an avatar for you: |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-10-07 11:53 AM |
#104 |
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?? |
OldTymeDem |
Aug-10-07 12:05 PM |
#109 |
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A History degree is "baloney"? |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 12:22 PM |
#111 |
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Shit, you mean I just wasted 4 years of my life on "baloney"? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Aug-11-07 12:21 AM |
#185 |
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History major wasn't useless to me |
Yupster |
Aug-11-07 01:01 PM |
#193 |
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"Why get an education in an area that wont improve your standard of living?" |
Bill McBlueState |
Aug-10-07 12:43 PM |
#114 |
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I know people who have degrees in computer science |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 12:53 PM |
#119 |
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Ah, that old republican call |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:13 PM |
#143 |
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Oh goodBYE. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-10-07 02:42 PM |
#155 |
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Take your hatred of the humanities and shove it! |
ellisonz |
Aug-10-07 08:50 PM |
#184 |
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That's fine if you can accurately predict that a job is available in 4-6 years |
Contrary1 |
Aug-11-07 09:53 AM |
#187 |
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So You're Going to Support a System That Treats College as a Vocational School? |
Crisco |
Aug-12-07 07:45 AM |
#202 |
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But, but, but |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 12:39 PM |
#113 |
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You misheard. |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 12:53 PM |
#118 |
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Nominated. |
H2O Man |
Aug-09-07 02:53 PM |
#8 |
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Thanks to you too. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:02 PM |
#10 |
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Years ago, |
H2O Man |
Aug-09-07 04:28 PM |
#42 |
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Nice one... |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 05:00 PM |
#50 |
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I think if you |
H2O Man |
Aug-09-07 07:35 PM |
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Don't even get me started. Buying an education is the most ridiculous |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-09-07 03:04 PM |
#11 |
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I like your passion! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:17 PM |
#14 |
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Hmm... |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-09-07 03:34 PM |
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BRAVO! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:39 PM |
#26 |
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Any time :D |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-09-07 03:41 PM |
#28 |
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I went to college on grants, loans, and scholarships too... |
AnotherGreenWorld |
Aug-09-07 03:52 PM |
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And don't forget affirmative action - oops I meant legacy enrollment |
Nobody |
Aug-10-07 08:57 AM |
#92 |
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like you said, it's not even information, it's certification |
hfojvt |
Aug-09-07 04:05 PM |
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Fantastic post. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 05:16 PM |
#54 |
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Excellent post! It really saddens me to think of all that has been stolen from us. |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 08:17 PM |
#70 |
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it seems these days what has most been stolen |
hfojvt |
Aug-09-07 08:46 PM |
#75 |
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Years ago, when I was a waitress |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 01:23 PM |
#126 |
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Higher education should be free |
alarimer |
Aug-09-07 07:31 PM |
#62 |
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I think the idea of |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-10-07 08:29 AM |
#85 |
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Amen to that, Katherine! |
raccoon |
Aug-10-07 08:39 AM |
#89 |
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My BIL went to trade school instead of high school, he's a plumber - he makes $40/hr. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-10-07 08:44 AM |
#90 |
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There is something to be said for old fashioned apprenticeship |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 05:36 PM |
#177 |
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Most of those jobs |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 01:29 PM |
#127 |
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Well I believe in education for education's sake |
alarimer |
Aug-10-07 04:48 PM |
#168 |
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Education isn't just about acquiring knowledge, |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 05:22 PM |
#174 |
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That was my mindset as I set off for college. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-12-07 09:03 AM |
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True, most jobs don't require higher education, but the employers do. |
notmyprez |
Aug-10-07 05:07 PM |
#173 |
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I remember those "old days" |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 05:29 PM |
#175 |
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This is exactly the problem - we've created an atmosphere where |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-12-07 09:06 AM |
#204 |
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Great Post Again! |
Megahurtz |
Aug-10-07 08:05 PM |
#182 |
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Progressives should be working harder on this issue |
Bill McBlueState |
Aug-10-07 01:20 PM |
#123 |
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I think getting universal health care may be more important at the moment |
alarimer |
Aug-10-07 04:51 PM |
#169 |
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And corporate welfare |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 05:33 PM |
#176 |
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Well, guess what. |
Perragrande |
Aug-09-07 07:53 PM |
#65 |
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Damn... |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-10-07 08:17 AM |
#81 |
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Like you, I'm over 50, and have several degrees. |
raccoon |
Aug-10-07 09:03 AM |
#93 |
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That sucks! |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 01:46 PM |
#132 |
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Yeah and some white males have the same problem I do. |
Perragrande |
Aug-10-07 03:59 PM |
#164 |
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Well this discussion indicates that it is a widespread problem |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 05:03 PM |
#172 |
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An added point |
MountainLaurel |
Aug-09-07 08:07 PM |
#69 |
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Great point -- |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-10-07 08:18 AM |
#82 |
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Your post has made my day. |
Selatius |
Aug-09-07 08:20 PM |
#71 |
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It's absolutely criminal. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-10-07 08:21 AM |
#83 |
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yep, employee mills |
Bill McBlueState |
Aug-10-07 01:23 PM |
#125 |
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A new and unique form of Slave Labor |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 01:57 PM |
#135 |
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It was much better 40 years ago |
eridani |
Aug-09-07 09:18 PM |
#78 |
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Exactly - but people grow more and more apathetic. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-10-07 08:23 AM |
#84 |
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What a fantastic post. |
myrna minx |
Aug-10-07 10:32 AM |
#101 |
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You and me both buddy. n/t |
Gonnabuymeagun |
Aug-10-07 01:17 PM |
#122 |
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Here! Here! |
Megahurtz |
Aug-10-07 08:00 PM |
#180 |
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Yeah. With time and money anyone can get an MD, JD, PhD, or certainly an MBA |
AnotherGreenWorld |
Aug-09-07 03:42 PM |
#29 |
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Exactly - it's ALL about money. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-10-07 08:32 AM |
#87 |
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See MY post on the SENSIBLE American way of NON-subsidized health care and education. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-09-07 03:46 PM |
#31 |
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Great post... |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 05:19 PM |
#55 |
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So you'd actually say that to a kid? to your own child? |
cgrindley |
Aug-10-07 01:45 PM |
#131 |
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I didn't say that. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-12-07 09:12 AM |
#205 |
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Not everyone can get educated |
sandnsea |
Aug-09-07 03:07 PM |
#12 |
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I don't even think it's so much that anyone is dumb... |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:12 PM |
#13 |
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What I don't like: |
Jed Dilligan |
Aug-09-07 04:10 PM |
#40 |
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Very true |
davekriss |
Aug-09-07 05:29 PM |
#57 |
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That's sad, considering how many Americans |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 05:42 PM |
#58 |
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No, education doesn't guarantee a good job, BUT |
slackmaster |
Aug-09-07 03:18 PM |
#16 |
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A living wage shouldn't be dependent on a certain "type" of job. n/t |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:22 PM |
#18 |
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You're right. Everyone deserves to be paid a living wage and treated w/respect. |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 08:29 PM |
#73 |
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A degree is NOT necessarily "education" |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:25 PM |
#148 |
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Ivory tower syndrome |
gollygee |
Aug-09-07 03:19 PM |
#17 |
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They'd say you picked the wrong field, of course. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:23 PM |
#19 |
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Then either people should be paid a living wage |
gollygee |
Aug-09-07 03:24 PM |
#20 |
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I. HATE the "wrong field" assholes!!!! |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-09-07 03:51 PM |
#34 |
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I might break even with my education at best |
djohnson |
Aug-09-07 03:29 PM |
#21 |
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Disagree completely. We CAN and SHOULD expect that... |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:30 PM |
#22 |
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Completely? |
djohnson |
Aug-09-07 03:40 PM |
#27 |
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I wonder how it measures up... |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 03:43 PM |
#30 |
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I opted to work for a small business |
djohnson |
Aug-09-07 03:53 PM |
#36 |
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Hate to burst people's bubbles, but health care is bigger than any employer could tackle. |
Selatius |
Aug-09-07 07:58 PM |
#67 |
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Class before country, and even self-concern. |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 10:09 AM |
#98 |
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There IS a solution |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:34 PM |
#153 |
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You're right |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:30 PM |
#152 |
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This is a very sad statement |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:28 PM |
#149 |
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Jobs |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 03:39 PM |
#25 |
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it is a shame you felt the need to post this... |
buddhamama |
Aug-09-07 03:58 PM |
#37 |
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Maybe it's the recent influx of "newcomers"... |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 04:18 PM |
#41 |
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the 'it won't happen to me' crowd |
buddhamama |
Aug-09-07 04:29 PM |
#43 |
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and it is only getting worse |
G_j |
Aug-09-07 04:07 PM |
#39 |
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K&R |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-09-07 04:33 PM |
#45 |
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Thanks! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 04:40 PM |
#46 |
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Thank you for your work, redqueen. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-09-07 05:07 PM |
#52 |
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As if the poor can AFFORD education....(nm) |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Aug-09-07 04:52 PM |
#49 |
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That's their own fault, too! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 05:11 PM |
#53 |
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And history keeps repeating itself |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 02:19 PM |
#145 |
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SHAMELESS kick. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 06:39 PM |
#59 |
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Recent case in point: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-09-07 06:49 PM |
#60 |
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Yep... he's lucky. |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 12:44 PM |
#115 |
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I was thinking the same thing? |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 02:21 PM |
#146 |
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Ph.D.s are being outsourced, too |
Timbuk3 |
Aug-09-07 07:54 PM |
#66 |
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I didn't realize that was a point of contention here on DU. |
LostInAnomie |
Aug-09-07 08:23 PM |
#72 |
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It's nice to see all this agreement for a change |
gollygee |
Aug-09-07 09:11 PM |
#77 |
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I saw a few too many "they should get a better job" comments. |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 10:13 AM |
#99 |
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Not only doesn't education do it all, but... if EVERYONE had "a good job" |
bobbolink |
Aug-09-07 08:36 PM |
#74 |
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Contempt for the poor |
Nobody |
Aug-10-07 09:26 AM |
#96 |
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You're so right about denial to protect from fear! I saw that when my son was kidnapped, |
bobbolink |
Aug-11-07 04:20 PM |
#200 |
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I don't think a "good job" |
Giant Robot |
Aug-10-07 10:27 AM |
#100 |
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Agreed... there shouldn't be a stigma for necessary but unglamorous jobs. |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 11:54 AM |
#105 |
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Some of the finest people I've known |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 02:38 PM |
#154 |
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LOVED the Razor's Edge. |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 02:47 PM |
#157 |
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Me too! |
tsegat01 |
Aug-10-07 02:56 PM |
#160 |
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The stigma is in what it cannot provide for your family |
realpolitik |
Aug-10-07 04:40 PM |
#166 |
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Indeed. Education doesn't create opportunity. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-10-07 12:45 AM |
#79 |
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Thank you so much for this OP |
WildEyedLiberal |
Aug-10-07 04:48 AM |
#80 |
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While I agree with the general mindset of this thread, |
raccoon |
Aug-10-07 09:09 AM |
#94 |
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The major problem is that |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:43 PM |
#156 |
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My pleasure! |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 11:57 AM |
#106 |
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I've Got To Credit You For One Thing |
Crisco |
Aug-10-07 12:02 PM |
#107 |
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I ALWAYS get asked "what are you going to do with a history degree?" |
WildEyedLiberal |
Aug-11-07 12:27 AM |
#186 |
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History major here too |
Yupster |
Aug-11-07 01:14 PM |
#195 |
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Underhyped for Training Purposes, IMO |
Crisco |
Aug-12-07 07:42 AM |
#201 |
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K&R |
OhioChick |
Aug-10-07 10:05 AM |
#97 |
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A college degree today = a 1950s high school diploma |
kskiska |
Aug-10-07 12:25 PM |
#112 |
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My message to the working poor of America |
realpolitik |
Aug-10-07 12:49 PM |
#116 |
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Shhh. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-10-07 01:21 PM |
#124 |
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I love that song! |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 02:23 PM |
#147 |
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I'm sorry... |
realpolitik |
Aug-10-07 04:42 PM |
#167 |
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Education + intelligence guarantees plenty in a stupid, stupid America. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-10-07 12:50 PM |
#117 |
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What? |
redqueen |
Aug-10-07 12:53 PM |
#120 |
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You need to bury the competition's education |
cgrindley |
Aug-10-07 01:34 PM |
#129 |
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Bullshit. Undergrad degrees are largely the same (ie bad). One good grad degree suffices. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-10-07 02:07 PM |
#140 |
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Not right now, not for boomers but for Gen X's children |
cgrindley |
Aug-10-07 02:11 PM |
#142 |
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I'm glad I'll probably be dead by then |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 02:48 PM |
#158 |
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Yeah, me too |
cgrindley |
Aug-10-07 02:59 PM |
#161 |
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I may not sound like it all the time here |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 03:50 PM |
#163 |
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Humans are more likely to kill each other off than be finished off by global warming. |
Selatius |
Aug-10-07 07:10 PM |
#178 |
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In California, one answer to the income disparity for home health care workers has |
pinto |
Aug-10-07 02:29 PM |
#150 |
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is "Better" a euphemism for taking on a 3rd, possibly 4th job? |
chimpsrsmarter |
Aug-10-07 02:30 PM |
#151 |
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Mayor Jim Naugle thinks so |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Aug-11-07 12:43 PM |
#191 |
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My uncle was a janitor -- he retired to St. Petes in a 500K condo |
aikoaiko |
Aug-11-07 10:14 AM |
#189 |
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Ah, but he could trust investors and came from a generation that cared. |
HypnoToad |
Aug-11-07 01:08 PM |
#194 |
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I'm not sure what you mean. |
aikoaiko |
Aug-11-07 01:28 PM |
#196 |
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I would encourage individuals to get more education when practical |
Nikia |
Aug-11-07 12:59 PM |
#192 |
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