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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:52 AM
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68. I knew all that too...
I'm not sure how that relates to nuking Tokyo Bay rather than Hiroshima or Nagasaki though.

The Emperor would have learned of the destructive potential of the bomb nonetheless.

I had relatives in Britain when Operation Sealion, a Nazi invasion of Britain, was threatening. The Home Guard were taken to their posts and told "this is your dying point, when the Germans come, you die here".

How is that all that different than what the Japanese were going to do.

It's no mistake that the symbol for Britain is the Bulldog.
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  -Nagasaki 9August 1945 A Necessary Evil Parche  Aug-09-07 10:30 AM   #0 
  - Welcome to the DU Annual Nuclear Auto-Flagellation Fest, part II  slackmaster   Aug-09-07 10:31 AM   #1 
  - Doesn't this get old? We should just go to the archives and repost the ones from the last year and  Sapere aude   Aug-09-07 11:59 AM   #78 
  - K & R  Zandor   Aug-09-07 12:58 PM   #109 
  - Killing to save lives! What a concept!  Mandate My Ass   Aug-09-07 10:32 AM   #2 
  - It sounds just like "fu*king for virginity."  mikeytherat   Aug-09-07 10:44 AM   #14 
  - You would have preferred the US and Soviet Union to invade Japan?  scrinmaster   Aug-09-07 11:15 AM   #39 
  - Yes. I would have.  Exiled in America   Aug-09-07 01:34 PM   #122 
     - I think your off on the Civilian casualties.  VTMechEngr   Aug-09-07 03:04 PM   #142 
  - conflict?  catfish42   Aug-09-07 12:19 PM   #95 
  - What drives you to take the time to celebrate such a thing with a DU post?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-09-07 10:32 AM   #3 
  - Celebrate  Parche   Aug-09-07 10:34 AM   #8 
  - Yeah, right. Walks like a duck, quaks like a duck. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-09-07 10:42 AM   #11 
     - Crap! Before you accuse someone of  Kajsa   Aug-09-07 10:52 AM   #23 
  - Well... maybe  qdemn7   Aug-09-07 10:40 AM   #10 
     - "He might not be here today if they had."  Bill McBlueState   Aug-09-07 02:38 PM   #135 
  - Agreed. nt.  IndianaJones   Aug-09-07 10:32 AM   #4 
  - I'm not sure Nagasaki was necessary - we'll never know.  robcon   Aug-09-07 10:32 AM   #5 
  - My firm opinion  qdemn7   Aug-09-07 10:45 AM   #16 
  - Some of us idealists still try not to become that which we hate  meatloaf   Aug-09-07 10:59 AM   #28 
  - I don't think so.  rjones2818   Aug-09-07 12:26 PM   #99 
  - Personally I think the planned demonstration explosion  shadowknows69   Aug-09-07 10:33 AM   #6 
  - Yes, but that wouldn't have....  dicksteele   Aug-09-07 10:53 AM   #25 
     - I'm not so sure that panned out real well either  shadowknows69   Aug-09-07 11:18 AM   #42 
  - War Crimes are not necessary  rudeboy666   Aug-09-07 10:33 AM   #7 
  - Like the firebombing of DRESDEN, HAMBURG, TOKYO...  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 10:38 AM   #9 
     - yes those were war crimes too. nt.  endarkenment   Aug-09-07 02:13 PM   #133 
  - Dropping it in the middle of Tokyo Bay would have been even more effective..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-09-07 10:43 AM   #12 
  - We already burned Tokyo to the ground, killing 200,000.  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 11:03 AM   #30 
     - I was aware of that..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-09-07 11:12 AM   #36 
        - Read this:  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 11:19 AM   #43 
           - I knew all that too...  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-09-07 11:52 AM   #68 
              - The Emperor KNEW after Nagasaki and Hiroshima.  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 11:57 AM   # 
                 - The Imperial Palace is over a mile from the edge of Tokyo Bay..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-09-07 01:48 PM   #124 
                    - Data from the Nagasaki Bombing Museum:  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 02:03 PM   #131 
  - And kept Stalin from entering Japan....Oh, wait, that was the MAIN reason...  Junkdrawer   Aug-09-07 10:43 AM   #13 
  - Some say it was dropped to show the Soviets that we had it, and were willing to use it on a city.  dicksteele   Aug-09-07 10:48 AM   #18 
     - I agree with that...n/t  Junkdrawer   Aug-09-07 10:49 AM   #19 
     - More than some.  Maddy McCall   Aug-09-07 11:57 AM   #77 
        - What, you're saying I'm MAINSTREAM on a divisive tinfoillish issue?  dicksteele   Aug-09-07 12:03 PM   #82 
  - "Saved millions of lives."???? I don't get it. Who the hell is saying that?  NotGivingUp   Aug-09-07 10:45 AM   #15 
  - Back when I was in school, it had only "possibly saved" a few hundred thousand lives.  dicksteele   Aug-09-07 10:49 AM   #20 
     - Well, you know how it is....we've now killed over a million in Iraq..  Junkdrawer   Aug-09-07 10:53 AM   #24 
  - I'm sorry...dropping a NUKE is NEVER "necessary",  Desertrose   Aug-09-07 10:47 AM   #17 
  - If you think there were better options, please provide them.  robcon   Aug-09-07 10:50 AM   #21 
  - Personally, although I know it sucks for the grunts, I'd have to do it the old fashioned way.  meatloaf   Aug-09-07 11:17 AM   #41 
  - Nice sentiment 62 years and and a world away from any chance...  piedmont   Aug-09-07 11:30 AM   #52 
     - I'm a veteran of the first Gulf War, I ponied up when my time came even  meatloaf   Aug-09-07 11:39 AM   #60 
     - Again, you have said it would be fine with you if MORE people died if it wasn't from a nuke.  piedmont   Aug-09-07 11:54 AM   #72 
        - If you see death as the ulitmate evil then for you there is no honorable solution.  meatloaf   Aug-09-07 12:04 PM   #83 
     - 62 years and it is still killing people.  stimbox   Aug-09-07 11:56 AM   #74 
  - Considering that Japan had just opened negotiations with the USSR, "waiting" was one option.  dicksteele   Aug-09-07 12:09 PM   #89 
  - Agreed. What was done was unexcusable.  Xenotime   Aug-09-07 11:01 AM   #29 
  - In 1945 my Dad was a 19 year old  ben_meyers   Aug-09-07 01:49 PM   #125 
  - Taking time to remember those killed/harmed in Nagasaki 62 yrs ago  uppityperson   Aug-09-07 10:52 AM   #22 
  - BULLSHIT!  stimbox   Aug-09-07 10:54 AM   #26 
  - Some who disagreed:  SOS   Aug-09-07 10:57 AM   #27 
  - But what do YOU believe, and why?  robcon   Aug-09-07 11:05 AM   #31 
  - not really  Bill McBlueState   Aug-09-07 02:43 PM   #136 
  - I suggest you read this: OPERATION OLYMPIC  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 11:15 AM   #38 
  - Both bombings were pure evil.  stimbox   Aug-09-07 11:07 AM   #32 
  - On Aug 6 a kite maker from Nagasaki was visiting Hiroshima.  alfredo   Aug-09-07 11:09 AM   #33 
  - I support dropping the bombs because my financee and a lot of other people  Bitwit1234   Aug-09-07 11:09 AM   #34 
  - Killed at Pearl Harbor: approximately 2,000  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-09-07 11:16 AM   #40 
  - It was total war.  scrinmaster   Aug-09-07 11:30 AM   #50 
  - Pearl Harbor was a MILITARY target.  stimbox   Aug-09-07 11:24 AM   #46 
     - wrong.  whopis01   Aug-09-07 12:59 PM   #110 
        - They targeted civilians in both cities.  stimbox   Aug-09-07 01:05 PM   #113 
  - How would YOU feel if, say, Russia or China decided to nuke your city  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-09-07 11:12 AM   #35 
  - Iraq  Parche   Aug-09-07 11:20 AM   #44 
  - What kind of bozos are in this forum anymore? n/t  NotGivingUp   Aug-09-07 11:14 AM   #37 
  - There seem to be two types...  robcon   Aug-09-07 11:21 AM   #45 
     - Alternatives  Parche   Aug-09-07 11:27 AM   #47 
     - There are always alternatives, they just may ask a higher price.  meatloaf   Aug-09-07 11:30 AM   #51 
     - There is the 3rd type  stimbox   Aug-09-07 11:29 AM   #49 
     - In other words you're one of those who don't provide alternatives  robcon   Aug-09-07 11:33 AM   #55 
     - Yep  stimbox   Aug-09-07 11:45 AM   #64 
     - Logical  Parche   Aug-09-07 11:35 AM   #56 
        - Political expediency and numbers do not make the decision moral or even logical.  meatloaf   Aug-09-07 11:56 AM   #73 
     - An alternative has been posted, and was suggested at the time -  NCevilDUer   Aug-09-07 11:41 AM   #62 
  - Oh, joy! "Now it remains an international peace park & a symbol of world harmony!"  Hissyspit   Aug-09-07 11:29 AM   #48 
  - Recommend (-1 votes)  stimbox   Aug-09-07 11:31 AM   #53 
  - I believe you just created it. (-2 votes). n/t  slowry   Aug-09-07 11:33 AM   #54 
     - (-3) n/t  Hissyspit   Aug-09-07 11:37 AM   #58 
     - Negative Recommend (-4 votes) (updated)  The Stranger   Aug-09-07 11:37 AM   #59 
        - Positive Recommend (+69 votes)  Parche   Aug-09-07 12:02 PM   #79 
           - Can you prove that it did?  stimbox   Aug-09-07 12:05 PM   #85 
              - Strawman.  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:16 PM   #93 
              - Prove it  Parche   Aug-09-07 12:29 PM   #101 
                 - That proves nothing.  stimbox   Aug-09-07 12:31 PM   #102 
                    - If you aren't ignoring me, read this:  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:39 PM   #106 
  - It would be best if you would go learn some real history instead of shooting your mouth off  NotGivingUp   Aug-09-07 11:36 AM   #57 
  - False premise  robcon   Aug-09-07 11:41 AM   #61 
  - You and your little pig friends can go play somewhere else now. n/t  NotGivingUp   Aug-09-07 11:43 AM   #63 
     - I'm here - who appointed you in charge of "correct" opinions?  robcon   Aug-09-07 11:46 AM   #65 
     - If you can't even defend your idea with a rational argument, then fuck off.  piedmont   Aug-09-07 11:57 AM   #76 
     - You are not playing well with others...  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:08 PM   #88 
  - I Didn't Read The Book  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-09-07 11:49 AM   #66 
  - please see my post below: The Japanese wanted to surrender...  NotGivingUp   Aug-09-07 12:20 PM   #96 
     - Please read this report from the Imperial Japanese High Command  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:32 PM   #103 
  - Read "Olympic vs Ketsu-Go"  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 11:54 AM   #71 
  - History  Parche   Aug-09-07 12:43 PM   #108 
  - why was it neccessary to invade Japan???  LSK   Aug-09-07 11:50 AM   #67 
  - Now you KNOW after Pearl, Guadalcanal, Iwo: that would never have flown.  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:03 PM   #80 
  - so you are saying that the American people wanted to invade?  LSK   Aug-09-07 12:05 PM   #84 
  - The American People were 100% for Unconditional Surrender.  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:13 PM   #92 
  - Yes, they wanted to totally crush Japan  slackmaster   Aug-09-07 01:04 PM   #112 
     - they also wanted to totally crush Iraq until recently  Bill McBlueState   Aug-09-07 02:49 PM   #139 
  - And Nanking, and the Philipines, etc.  piedmont   Aug-09-07 12:06 PM   #86 
     - EXACTLY. n/t  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:25 PM   #98 
  - Invasion  Parche   Aug-09-07 01:19 PM   #118 
     - except by that time it was only occupying Japan  LSK   Aug-09-07 01:24 PM   #119 
        - Occupation  Parche   Aug-09-07 01:47 PM   #123 
  - Horribly sad  LeftishBrit   Aug-09-07 11:53 AM   #69 
  - I agree, Leftish  robcon   Aug-09-07 11:57 AM   #75 
     - They were still fanatical after both bombings.  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 12:35 PM   #104 
  - Sorry, chum. Mass exterminations and Internet smilies don't mix. Seek help. n/t  slowry   Aug-09-07 11:54 AM   #70 
  - Chum  Parche   Aug-09-07 12:03 PM   #81 
     - Even If You Support The Bombing As I Nominally Do What Is There To Be Gained By Making Light Of It  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-09-07 12:07 PM   #87 
     - interesting  Bill McBlueState   Aug-09-07 02:50 PM   #140 
  - "I do not know how many times I called begging that they would cut off my burned arms and legs."  NotGivingUp   Aug-09-07 12:09 PM   #90 
  - hooray for saving a braziLLion Lives  sniffa   Aug-09-07 12:11 PM   #91 
  - The Japanes wanted to surrender...and the United States KNEW IT.  NotGivingUp   Aug-09-07 12:17 PM   #94 
  - If I am not on your IGNORE list, say so would you?  Tyler Durden   Aug-09-07 01:57 PM   #130 
  - Americans are SOOOO defensive.  Bonobo   Aug-09-07 12:22 PM   #97 
  - What Captain Robert Lewis pilot of the Enola Gay said...  stimbox   Aug-09-07 12:28 PM   #100 
  - US Terrorism: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic Bombs  stimbox   Aug-09-07 12:35 PM   #105 
  - Nag  Parche   Aug-09-07 01:06 PM   #114 
  - Somebody please tell me which millions it saved.  Gregorian   Aug-09-07 12:41 PM   #107 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-09-07 01:01 PM   #111 
  - WHY POST THIS KIND OF SHIT ON THE ANNINVERSARY OF A TRAGEDY FOR SOME?  Bonobo   Aug-09-07 01:09 PM   #115 
  - flamebait.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-09-07 01:13 PM   #116 
  - Post  Parche   Aug-09-07 01:15 PM   #117 
  - Bull mother fucking shit.  Exiled in America   Aug-09-07 01:29 PM   #120 
  - What  Parche   Aug-09-07 01:31 PM   #121 
  - Radiation poisoning documentary footage  stimbox   Aug-09-07 01:53 PM   #126 
  - I couldn't disagree more.  devilgrrl   Aug-09-07 01:54 PM   #127 
  - Disagree  Parche   Aug-09-07 02:32 PM   #134 
     - That's very sweet of you but I still don't agree.  devilgrrl   Aug-09-07 02:48 PM   #138 
  - Wow . . . . I can hardly believe this is a DU thread.  stranger81   Aug-09-07 01:55 PM   #128 
  - I'm always amazed at how long they are allowed to go on. But--  Exiled in America   Aug-09-07 01:57 PM   #129 
  - Deliberately targeting civilians is a war crime. nt.  endarkenment   Aug-09-07 02:12 PM   #132 
  - and that is the crux of it  WindRavenX   Aug-09-07 02:46 PM   #137 
  - Same reply I had 2 years ago  DS1   Aug-09-07 02:57 PM   #141 
  - Locking  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-09-07 03:05 PM   #143 
 

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