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Thu Aug-09-07 11:29 AM
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| 48. Oh, joy! "Now it remains an international peace park & a symbol of world harmony!" |
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Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 11:30 AM by Hissyspit
Happiness and flowers!  "This boy, who was burned to death with his hands placed on his chest, leaving an impression of agony, is believed to have been a mobilized student exposed to the A-bomb in Iwakana township, which is about 700 meters from the hypocenter. In those days, students who were in the 7th or 8th grade or in middle school were mobilized to munitions factories, farms, and national defense crews. They hardly did any learning at school. In the Urakami district of Nagasaki, there were several factories, including the Mitsubishi munitions, to which many students were mobilized. The death toll of mobilized students is unknown. Regarding the disaster in Iwakawa township where this student was burned to death, the record of the Nagasaki A-bomb War Disaster reads as follows: The instant the A-bomb exploded, almost all of the houses collapsed. The scattered pieces of wood and other debris covered the ground, and in some places they were heaped into drifts. Those who were outdoors all died, and those who were caught under the collapsed houses were screaming for help, and those who barely escaped frantically ran around. The town got dark, and, when visibility was regained, the collapsed houses started to smolder and then took fire. While there were mixed outcries of calls and for help, the town turned into a sea of flames."
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| -Nagasaki 9August 1945 A Necessary Evil |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 10:30 AM |
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Welcome to the DU Annual Nuclear Auto-Flagellation Fest, part II |
slackmaster |
Aug-09-07 10:31 AM |
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Doesn't this get old? We should just go to the archives and repost the ones from the last year and |
Sapere aude |
Aug-09-07 11:59 AM |
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K & R |
Zandor |
Aug-09-07 12:58 PM |
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Killing to save lives! What a concept! |
Mandate My Ass |
Aug-09-07 10:32 AM |
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It sounds just like "fu*king for virginity." |
mikeytherat |
Aug-09-07 10:44 AM |
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You would have preferred the US and Soviet Union to invade Japan? |
scrinmaster |
Aug-09-07 11:15 AM |
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Yes. I would have. |
Exiled in America |
Aug-09-07 01:34 PM |
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I think your off on the Civilian casualties. |
VTMechEngr |
Aug-09-07 03:04 PM |
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conflict? |
catfish42 |
Aug-09-07 12:19 PM |
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What drives you to take the time to celebrate such a thing with a DU post? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-09-07 10:32 AM |
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Celebrate |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 10:34 AM |
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Yeah, right. Walks like a duck, quaks like a duck. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-09-07 10:42 AM |
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Crap! Before you accuse someone of |
Kajsa |
Aug-09-07 10:52 AM |
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Well... maybe |
qdemn7 |
Aug-09-07 10:40 AM |
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"He might not be here today if they had." |
Bill McBlueState |
Aug-09-07 02:38 PM |
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Agreed. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 10:32 AM |
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I'm not sure Nagasaki was necessary - we'll never know. |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 10:32 AM |
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My firm opinion |
qdemn7 |
Aug-09-07 10:45 AM |
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Some of us idealists still try not to become that which we hate |
meatloaf |
Aug-09-07 10:59 AM |
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I don't think so. |
rjones2818 |
Aug-09-07 12:26 PM |
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Personally I think the planned demonstration explosion |
shadowknows69 |
Aug-09-07 10:33 AM |
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Yes, but that wouldn't have.... |
dicksteele |
Aug-09-07 10:53 AM |
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I'm not so sure that panned out real well either |
shadowknows69 |
Aug-09-07 11:18 AM |
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War Crimes are not necessary |
rudeboy666 |
Aug-09-07 10:33 AM |
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Like the firebombing of DRESDEN, HAMBURG, TOKYO... |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 10:38 AM |
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yes those were war crimes too. nt. |
endarkenment |
Aug-09-07 02:13 PM |
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Dropping it in the middle of Tokyo Bay would have been even more effective.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-09-07 10:43 AM |
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We already burned Tokyo to the ground, killing 200,000. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 11:03 AM |
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I was aware of that.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-09-07 11:12 AM |
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Read this: |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 11:19 AM |
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I knew all that too... |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-09-07 11:52 AM |
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The Emperor KNEW after Nagasaki and Hiroshima. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 11:57 AM |
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The Imperial Palace is over a mile from the edge of Tokyo Bay.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-09-07 01:48 PM |
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Data from the Nagasaki Bombing Museum: |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 02:03 PM |
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And kept Stalin from entering Japan....Oh, wait, that was the MAIN reason... |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-09-07 10:43 AM |
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Some say it was dropped to show the Soviets that we had it, and were willing to use it on a city. |
dicksteele |
Aug-09-07 10:48 AM |
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I agree with that...n/t |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-09-07 10:49 AM |
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More than some. |
Maddy McCall |
Aug-09-07 11:57 AM |
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What, you're saying I'm MAINSTREAM on a divisive tinfoillish issue? |
dicksteele |
Aug-09-07 12:03 PM |
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"Saved millions of lives."???? I don't get it. Who the hell is saying that? |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 10:45 AM |
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Back when I was in school, it had only "possibly saved" a few hundred thousand lives. |
dicksteele |
Aug-09-07 10:49 AM |
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Well, you know how it is....we've now killed over a million in Iraq.. |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-09-07 10:53 AM |
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I'm sorry...dropping a NUKE is NEVER "necessary", |
Desertrose |
Aug-09-07 10:47 AM |
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If you think there were better options, please provide them. |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 10:50 AM |
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Personally, although I know it sucks for the grunts, I'd have to do it the old fashioned way. |
meatloaf |
Aug-09-07 11:17 AM |
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Nice sentiment 62 years and and a world away from any chance... |
piedmont |
Aug-09-07 11:30 AM |
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I'm a veteran of the first Gulf War, I ponied up when my time came even |
meatloaf |
Aug-09-07 11:39 AM |
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Again, you have said it would be fine with you if MORE people died if it wasn't from a nuke. |
piedmont |
Aug-09-07 11:54 AM |
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If you see death as the ulitmate evil then for you there is no honorable solution. |
meatloaf |
Aug-09-07 12:04 PM |
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62 years and it is still killing people. |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 11:56 AM |
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Considering that Japan had just opened negotiations with the USSR, "waiting" was one option. |
dicksteele |
Aug-09-07 12:09 PM |
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Agreed. What was done was unexcusable. |
Xenotime |
Aug-09-07 11:01 AM |
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In 1945 my Dad was a 19 year old |
ben_meyers |
Aug-09-07 01:49 PM |
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Taking time to remember those killed/harmed in Nagasaki 62 yrs ago |
uppityperson |
Aug-09-07 10:52 AM |
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BULLSHIT! |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 10:54 AM |
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Some who disagreed: |
SOS |
Aug-09-07 10:57 AM |
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But what do YOU believe, and why? |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 11:05 AM |
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not really |
Bill McBlueState |
Aug-09-07 02:43 PM |
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I suggest you read this: OPERATION OLYMPIC |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 11:15 AM |
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Both bombings were pure evil. |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 11:07 AM |
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On Aug 6 a kite maker from Nagasaki was visiting Hiroshima. |
alfredo |
Aug-09-07 11:09 AM |
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I support dropping the bombs because my financee and a lot of other people |
Bitwit1234 |
Aug-09-07 11:09 AM |
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Killed at Pearl Harbor: approximately 2,000 |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-09-07 11:16 AM |
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It was total war. |
scrinmaster |
Aug-09-07 11:30 AM |
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Pearl Harbor was a MILITARY target. |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 11:24 AM |
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wrong. |
whopis01 |
Aug-09-07 12:59 PM |
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They targeted civilians in both cities. |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 01:05 PM |
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How would YOU feel if, say, Russia or China decided to nuke your city |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-09-07 11:12 AM |
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Iraq |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 11:20 AM |
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What kind of bozos are in this forum anymore? n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 11:14 AM |
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There seem to be two types... |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 11:21 AM |
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Alternatives |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 11:27 AM |
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There are always alternatives, they just may ask a higher price. |
meatloaf |
Aug-09-07 11:30 AM |
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There is the 3rd type |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 11:29 AM |
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In other words you're one of those who don't provide alternatives |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 11:33 AM |
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Yep |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 11:45 AM |
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Logical |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 11:35 AM |
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Political expediency and numbers do not make the decision moral or even logical. |
meatloaf |
Aug-09-07 11:56 AM |
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An alternative has been posted, and was suggested at the time - |
NCevilDUer |
Aug-09-07 11:41 AM |
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Oh, joy! "Now it remains an international peace park & a symbol of world harmony!" |
Hissyspit |
Aug-09-07 11:29 AM |
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Recommend (-1 votes) |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 11:31 AM |
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I believe you just created it. (-2 votes). n/t |
slowry |
Aug-09-07 11:33 AM |
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(-3) n/t |
Hissyspit |
Aug-09-07 11:37 AM |
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Negative Recommend (-4 votes) (updated) |
The Stranger |
Aug-09-07 11:37 AM |
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Positive Recommend (+69 votes) |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 12:02 PM |
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Can you prove that it did? |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 12:05 PM |
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Strawman. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:16 PM |
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Prove it |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 12:29 PM |
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That proves nothing. |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 12:31 PM |
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If you aren't ignoring me, read this: |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:39 PM |
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It would be best if you would go learn some real history instead of shooting your mouth off |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 11:36 AM |
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False premise |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 11:41 AM |
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You and your little pig friends can go play somewhere else now. n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 11:43 AM |
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I'm here - who appointed you in charge of "correct" opinions? |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 11:46 AM |
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If you can't even defend your idea with a rational argument, then fuck off. |
piedmont |
Aug-09-07 11:57 AM |
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You are not playing well with others... |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:08 PM |
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I Didn't Read The Book |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 11:49 AM |
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please see my post below: The Japanese wanted to surrender... |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 12:20 PM |
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Please read this report from the Imperial Japanese High Command |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:32 PM |
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Read "Olympic vs Ketsu-Go" |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 11:54 AM |
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History |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 12:43 PM |
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why was it neccessary to invade Japan??? |
LSK |
Aug-09-07 11:50 AM |
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Now you KNOW after Pearl, Guadalcanal, Iwo: that would never have flown. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:03 PM |
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so you are saying that the American people wanted to invade? |
LSK |
Aug-09-07 12:05 PM |
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The American People were 100% for Unconditional Surrender. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:13 PM |
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Yes, they wanted to totally crush Japan |
slackmaster |
Aug-09-07 01:04 PM |
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they also wanted to totally crush Iraq until recently |
Bill McBlueState |
Aug-09-07 02:49 PM |
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And Nanking, and the Philipines, etc. |
piedmont |
Aug-09-07 12:06 PM |
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EXACTLY. n/t |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:25 PM |
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Invasion |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 01:19 PM |
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except by that time it was only occupying Japan |
LSK |
Aug-09-07 01:24 PM |
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Occupation |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 01:47 PM |
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Horribly sad |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-09-07 11:53 AM |
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I agree, Leftish |
robcon |
Aug-09-07 11:57 AM |
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They were still fanatical after both bombings. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 12:35 PM |
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Sorry, chum. Mass exterminations and Internet smilies don't mix. Seek help. n/t |
slowry |
Aug-09-07 11:54 AM |
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Chum |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 12:03 PM |
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Even If You Support The Bombing As I Nominally Do What Is There To Be Gained By Making Light Of It |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 12:07 PM |
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interesting |
Bill McBlueState |
Aug-09-07 02:50 PM |
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"I do not know how many times I called begging that they would cut off my burned arms and legs." |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 12:09 PM |
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hooray for saving a braziLLion Lives |
sniffa |
Aug-09-07 12:11 PM |
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The Japanes wanted to surrender...and the United States KNEW IT. |
NotGivingUp |
Aug-09-07 12:17 PM |
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If I am not on your IGNORE list, say so would you? |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-09-07 01:57 PM |
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Americans are SOOOO defensive. |
Bonobo |
Aug-09-07 12:22 PM |
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What Captain Robert Lewis pilot of the Enola Gay said... |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 12:28 PM |
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US Terrorism: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic Bombs |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 12:35 PM |
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Nag |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 01:06 PM |
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Somebody please tell me which millions it saved. |
Gregorian |
Aug-09-07 12:41 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-09-07 01:01 PM |
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WHY POST THIS KIND OF SHIT ON THE ANNINVERSARY OF A TRAGEDY FOR SOME? |
Bonobo |
Aug-09-07 01:09 PM |
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flamebait. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Aug-09-07 01:13 PM |
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Post |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 01:15 PM |
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Bull mother fucking shit. |
Exiled in America |
Aug-09-07 01:29 PM |
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What |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 01:31 PM |
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Radiation poisoning documentary footage |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 01:53 PM |
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I couldn't disagree more. |
devilgrrl |
Aug-09-07 01:54 PM |
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Disagree |
Parche |
Aug-09-07 02:32 PM |
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That's very sweet of you but I still don't agree. |
devilgrrl |
Aug-09-07 02:48 PM |
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Wow . . . . I can hardly believe this is a DU thread. |
stranger81 |
Aug-09-07 01:55 PM |
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I'm always amazed at how long they are allowed to go on. But-- |
Exiled in America |
Aug-09-07 01:57 PM |
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Deliberately targeting civilians is a war crime. nt. |
endarkenment |
Aug-09-07 02:12 PM |
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and that is the crux of it |
WindRavenX |
Aug-09-07 02:46 PM |
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Same reply I had 2 years ago |
DS1 |
Aug-09-07 02:57 PM |
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Locking |
muriel_volestrangler |
Aug-09-07 03:05 PM |
#143 |