Reply #125: "All" people will never agree...

[Limelight]

I think we all recognize that... I also think we all recognize that it's not *small* business that's the problem.

So large business don't have their own perspectives? It's all the same concept just on a different scale. I see it like this if a large company or factory can show that, adding up the costs of all that workers ask for, will not allow them to turn a profit they have legitimate cause to say no. I can give you and others that, after thinking about it, it would also be wrong of the company to say they can't turn a profit based on demands cuz then they wouldn't be able to pay the executives what would equal an inordinate amount of money that's hundreds of times what their average worker makes.

I could go with saying your base salary can't be more than say 100x what the average guy makes (before you ask, yes, I do think that's fair). After than any extra you make has to be based on the performance of the company and it's stock in the market. That way no one is saying you can only make X amount of dollars, but you're entitled this percentage of they business the company does and you can make more if the companies performance warrants it. And yes, if it does well the workers should get a bonus too. Profit sharing has been proven to be good for business.

Also, the "question" of socialized medicine was rhetorical.

Real communism has never even been tried, so that's not a logical conclusion. As for profit being the only motivator for anyone to do anything... that's just BS. It's been done to death. Inventors, volunteers, etc.... I'd wager many (if not most) people aren't only after money. They do what they do because they love IT, not the money they might get from it.

Real communism is based on the loving, kind nature of man to want to care for his fellow man. That's the major reason why communism has never and will never work. Now, is money the only motivator? No, but if you think those who do something for the "betterment of man kind" don't want to see a betterment of their own lives for them and their families you're out of your mind. It's always there, it's just a question of the percentage it takes up.

"Saying you can only make this much money is exactly the same thing. Just like I surely can't be the only business owner here I surely can't be the only one that sees a federally mandated glass ceiling as being a bad thing."

Why is it a bad thing?

Look, if you don't have a problem with having people say you can only go this far and achieve this much and don't see it as being completely antithetical to the concept of democracy and freedom that's your problem. That's cool, you're allowed to have that problem if you so choose. Feel free. I'm just not gonna stand for anyone making it mine.

The problem is that when you let people make all the money they can make, they tend to start bribing legislators to let them screw more people so they can make even more. Randian philosophy is as bankrupt as trickle-down theroy.

Yeah, I don't care if everyone in America was only allowed to make $200 a year. If most folks made $80 the guy making $200 could still by influence, he'd just get to do it for less. I mean $20 would go a long way then, right?

This has nothing to do with the economy, that's question of human nature and it's unfortunate tendency to allow itself to be corrupted. It's not a question of making sure people make less or more it's about law enforcement and the people themselves keeping their eyes open and not allowing it. That's a question of law and order. And, if they government won't enforce that or allow the people to do it through voting out those who are corrupt then that's why the founding fathers gave us the 2nd Amendment and told us to use it if we had to.