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Thu Aug-09-07 11:07 AM
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If the original poster gave as much a damn about DEMOCRACY as he did the democratic party he wouldn't have even opened his mouth.
If you care for democracy then everyone gets their say and their influence when they turn out to the polls. I think, act and vote as I choose and if it doesn't fall in lock step with party (funny how it's a bad thing when the Reps do it, but all good when the Dems do it) tough sh*t. You have to vote your conscience, are compelled to do it? Good, don't blame you. So I'm sure you'll show me the same respect when I vote my conscience as well.
If my conscience disagrees with yours? Hey, welcome to democracy.
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| -A message to conservative Democrats |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Aug-08-07 05:35 PM |
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I think I've got a recommendation in here for you somewhere... |
Mojambo |
Aug-08-07 05:38 PM |
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I'm a pretty conservative Dem, and I agree with all your points. |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-08-07 05:40 PM |
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Except some of those in Congress. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-08-07 05:47 PM |
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True--but the Blue Dogs aren't representative of my beliefs when |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-08-07 05:59 PM |
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The internet is exploding with complaints about the blue dog democrats |
Bitwit1234 |
Aug-08-07 06:23 PM |
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I agree--they are too cozy with BushCo by too many degrees. |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-08-07 06:36 PM |
#35 |
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These are the so called Dems that should be hit ... |
coco77 |
Aug-09-07 01:47 PM |
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That IS the distinction between being "corporatist" and being "conservative"! |
calipendence |
Aug-08-07 09:10 PM |
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conservatives dems are |
lame54 |
Aug-09-07 12:10 PM |
#111 |
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Great Video |
ProudDad |
Aug-09-07 01:50 PM |
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this is gonna be goooood... |
MrCoffee |
Aug-08-07 05:41 PM |
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make it 5 |
corkhead |
Aug-08-07 05:42 PM |
#4 |
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They'll just call you naive or foolish and go back to ignoring you. - n/t |
porphyrian |
Aug-08-07 05:42 PM |
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There Aren't Many Conservative Democrats Left |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 05:44 PM |
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Wha?? The New Democrat caucus still has 63 members |
jgraz |
Aug-08-07 05:46 PM |
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Here's A Link To The Americans For Democratic Action Website |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 05:50 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-08-07 05:47 PM |
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Hah... |
redqueen |
Aug-08-07 05:44 PM |
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I Don't Get It... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 05:46 PM |
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No, because the political landscape in this country has shifted SO far. |
redqueen |
Aug-08-07 05:48 PM |
#13 |
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No, that would not be fair |
jgraz |
Aug-08-07 05:49 PM |
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Then How Did The Democratic House And Senate Get 90% ADA Ratings? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 05:52 PM |
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Look at the methodology |
jgraz |
Aug-08-07 05:59 PM |
#20 |
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No Rating System Is Perfect... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 06:04 PM |
#22 |
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Yes, but this rating system is almost worthless |
jgraz |
Aug-08-07 06:07 PM |
#26 |
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Bush Sucks... FISA Sucks... The War Sucks.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 06:15 PM |
#29 |
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Why? Conservative has always been a subjective label |
jgraz |
Aug-08-07 06:22 PM |
#30 |
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Barbara Milkulsi Voted For The New FISA Law |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 05:55 PM |
#17 |
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There are only two Democrats left according to many posters here.. |
Virginia Dare |
Aug-08-07 06:01 PM |
#21 |
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Now just wait one damn minute! |
jgraz |
Aug-08-07 06:05 PM |
#23 |
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Al Gore Voted For Gulf War One, Was Anti-Choice , And Anti-Gay |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 06:07 PM |
#27 |
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Yes, in DU world some are given a pass to evolve.. |
Virginia Dare |
Aug-08-07 06:22 PM |
#31 |
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How about a progun, prolife type? Is THAT conservative? |
MADem |
Aug-09-07 05:48 PM |
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Excellent, gutsy post |
jgraz |
Aug-08-07 05:45 PM |
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Great post, one I must highly recommend. |
AuntPatsy |
Aug-08-07 05:57 PM |
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I think I missed something |
sandnsea |
Aug-08-07 06:05 PM |
#24 |
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you cannot rule the Democratic Party by fiat |
hfojvt |
Aug-08-07 06:06 PM |
#25 |
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I Think We Can All Agree Zell Was A Conservative Dem... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 06:13 PM |
#28 |
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It's not even 'to the right of DU' |
hfojvt |
Aug-08-07 06:31 PM |
#33 |
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I Just Think It's Vanity To Play The "I'm More Progressive With You Card" |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-08-07 06:36 PM |
#34 |
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How is that vanity? |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 10:13 AM |
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Here, here... |
Limelight |
Aug-09-07 11:07 AM |
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Then vote for the Republican |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Aug-09-07 02:00 PM |
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Applauds, applauds |
question everything |
Aug-09-07 02:22 PM |
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Well said! n/t |
cynatnite |
Aug-10-07 01:25 PM |
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oh, snap! |
nashville_brook |
Aug-08-07 07:08 PM |
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Whom do you consider a conservative Democrat? |
maui9002 |
Aug-08-07 07:20 PM |
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You don't think the minimum wage helps low-paid workers? |
RandomKoolzip |
Aug-09-07 01:05 AM |
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A living wage? |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 09:48 AM |
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. |
RandomKoolzip |
Aug-09-07 09:52 AM |
#54 |
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BS. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 10:19 AM |
#61 |
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Hours WERE cut |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 10:55 AM |
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Did I dispute that it happened? No. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 11:29 AM |
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Never said necessary, nor only forseeable... |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 11:43 AM |
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So... you chose to ignore the examples from history in my post. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 11:56 AM |
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I'm not an anarchist |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 12:35 PM |
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So then leave an 'out' for small businesses. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 12:57 PM |
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Why not $10,000 an hour! |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 01:37 PM |
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Point, set and match... |
Limelight |
Aug-09-07 11:57 AM |
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Are there any other small-business owners around? |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 12:01 PM |
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Nope, just seems that way... |
Limelight |
Aug-09-07 12:18 PM |
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Or maybe not all small business owners agree with you. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 12:27 PM |
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"Real communism" |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 12:54 PM |
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"If it's true that real communism has never been tried" |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 01:00 PM |
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Heh |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 01:39 PM |
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Enjoy your stay. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 01:40 PM |
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"All" people will never agree... |
Limelight |
Aug-09-07 01:05 PM |
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So your solution is armed revolt? |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 01:23 PM |
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It was a question of corruption |
Limelight |
Aug-09-07 04:05 PM |
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We've been standing up against them for decades. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 04:24 PM |
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The idea that if corporations pass out a few more crums |
AnotherGreenWorld |
Aug-09-07 12:06 PM |
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Maybe you're right... |
divinecommands |
Aug-09-07 12:39 PM |
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To me that sounds like you are against the working class/working people. |
cui bono |
Aug-09-07 03:48 AM |
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I think your question illustrates my original point |
maui9002 |
Aug-09-07 05:49 PM |
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Well the party is open to anyone who wants to join. |
cui bono |
Aug-09-07 09:28 PM |
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It may be a common belief |
maui9002 |
Aug-09-07 10:36 PM |
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"For example, I support international trade and NAFTA" |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-09-07 08:56 AM |
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Aug-09-07 09:45 AM |
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LOL n/t |
orleans |
Aug-09-07 12:33 PM |
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Neither |
GMFORD |
Aug-09-07 10:17 AM |
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Hi GMFORD... welcome to DU! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 10:22 AM |
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I view you as a Libertarian, somewhat like Aaron Russo. |
liberaldemocrat7 |
Aug-09-07 10:43 AM |
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Welcome to the D.U. |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Aug-09-07 11:09 AM |
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"You'll find that this site is dominated by the fringe left" |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:18 AM |
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Like all those "wild-eyed" anti-war "liberals" n/t |
PassingFair |
Aug-09-07 11:23 AM |
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Boy those talking points sure sound stale! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 11:30 AM |
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You think that's stale?? |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:42 AM |
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I already got Marxist today! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 11:52 AM |
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Welcome to the club, Comrade! |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:54 AM |
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Dirty Commie UN-REFORMED Marxist Pinko reporting for duty! |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 11:57 AM |
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The answer to your question |
maui9002 |
Aug-09-07 06:48 PM |
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You are DLC! |
PassingFair |
Aug-09-07 11:12 AM |
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That's not really my point |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Aug-09-07 11:20 AM |
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Goal should be how best to achieve common set of core values |
maui9002 |
Aug-09-07 07:03 PM |
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Hear, hear! |
Laelth |
Aug-08-07 08:55 PM |
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Nominated. |
H2O Man |
Aug-08-07 08:56 PM |
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K & R!!! |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-08-07 10:28 PM |
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k&r...n/t |
Madspirit |
Aug-08-07 10:57 PM |
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The party has shifted too much to the right. Time to make Liberal a good word again |
cui bono |
Aug-09-07 03:49 AM |
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Neither Democrats nor Republicans would ever get within a sniff of winning without moderates... |
piedmont |
Aug-09-07 04:01 AM |
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Really? |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Aug-09-07 08:48 AM |
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Moderate is a nice term for .. |
Lee_n_Tenn |
Aug-09-07 10:10 AM |
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I really don't see how anyone can be "moderate" |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 12:30 PM |
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Old saying |
Johnny Noshoes |
Aug-09-07 05:10 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-09-07 08:21 AM |
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Abolutely 100% Correct! N/T |
Lee_n_Tenn |
Aug-09-07 10:06 AM |
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Anthrax and EMPing small planes |
Lilith Velkor |
Aug-09-07 12:29 PM |
#114 |
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k&r. . . . . n/t |
annabanana |
Aug-09-07 09:32 AM |
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K&R |
stimbox |
Aug-09-07 09:38 AM |
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for me it's simple. |
tomp |
Aug-09-07 10:11 AM |
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what are the core beliefs of a conservative Democrat? |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 10:16 AM |
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I'll Give It A Shot |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 10:29 AM |
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There are Democrats that believe all those things? |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 10:32 AM |
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Yeah |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 10:50 AM |
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Whoo! Well at least I get to keep my gun. |
Maddy McCall |
Aug-09-07 11:36 AM |
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Does that make one conservative? Guns? nt. |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 11:53 AM |
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Does it prohibit one from being liberal? |
Maddy McCall |
Aug-09-07 11:59 AM |
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I am a gun owner and a gun enthusiast.... |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 12:03 PM |
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I'm a gun owner and self-preservationist. |
Maddy McCall |
Aug-09-07 12:06 PM |
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I don't necessarily like this attempt to classify and divide everyone. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 12:08 PM |
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And this is your answer |
question everything |
Aug-09-07 02:36 PM |
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Staying in office |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:15 AM |
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that doesn't help. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 11:18 AM |
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Sorry, but it's true |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:22 AM |
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How about the voters...surely there are actual conservative Democrats. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 11:24 AM |
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Again, you have the problem of what that actually means |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:32 AM |
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You Are Referring To Socialization |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 11:29 AM |
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No, I'm referring to a complete lack of core principles |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:36 AM |
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I Am Not Denying There Are Opportunists... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 11:44 AM |
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Of course culture informs our beliefs |
jgraz |
Aug-09-07 11:54 AM |
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I Tend To Agree... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 11:58 AM |
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There are two different styles of Democratic conservatism: |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Aug-09-07 11:29 AM |
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You Did A Nice Job Of Delineating The Difference Between The Two Groups... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 11:35 AM |
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interesting take. thanks. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Aug-09-07 11:38 AM |
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I'd quibble with the characterization of the DLC as "anti gun-control." |
benEzra |
Aug-09-07 01:48 PM |
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I think it must have been a typo. |
PassingFair |
Aug-09-07 02:17 PM |
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Not true |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Aug-09-07 03:44 PM |
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Except when they all voted to authorize the IWR, |
PassingFair |
Aug-09-07 03:58 PM |
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Exactly. IWR was a bill for coercive diplomacy |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Aug-09-07 05:22 PM |
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"Many conservative Democrats still feel that was the correct vote to make" |
PassingFair |
Aug-09-07 05:26 PM |
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You're entitled to your opinion |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Aug-09-07 06:17 PM |
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"all the toothless United Nations resolutions in the world have not stopped the genocide in Darfur" |
PassingFair |
Aug-09-07 07:46 PM |
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You're probably right about that... |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Aug-09-07 03:11 PM |
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I don't think that it is always so simplistic |
Nikia |
Aug-09-07 06:06 PM |
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Please define your terms and explain who you are referring to |
slackmaster |
Aug-09-07 10:29 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-09-07 10:57 AM |
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Die in a fire? |
Maddy McCall |
Aug-09-07 11:38 AM |
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DIAF - Doesn't sound too tolerant to me |
Robson |
Aug-09-07 06:51 PM |
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It Is My Contention |
Me. |
Aug-09-07 11:11 AM |
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I would agree with one major concern. |
Gregorian |
Aug-09-07 11:57 AM |
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I Don't Think It Will Be A Breeze |
Me. |
Aug-09-07 12:08 PM |
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Yes. |
Gregorian |
Aug-09-07 01:15 PM |
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Preemptive Intelligence |
Me. |
Aug-09-07 05:31 PM |
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K&R!! |
proud2Blib |
Aug-09-07 11:58 AM |
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democrats have a social conscience. republiks have no conscience. nt/ |
orleans |
Aug-09-07 12:35 PM |
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A good example of "if you don't like it, then leave" rhetoric. |
aikoaiko |
Aug-09-07 12:59 PM |
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Where would we be? Maybe not so far to the right. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 01:02 PM |
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And not have either the Senate or House of Reps. |
aikoaiko |
Aug-09-07 01:24 PM |
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I'd bet that's more due to DRE's & other vote fraud actually. |
redqueen |
Aug-09-07 01:29 PM |
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Not in Iraq, THAT'S for sure. n/t |
PassingFair |
Aug-09-07 07:52 PM |
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K&R |
PurgedVoter |
Aug-09-07 01:07 PM |
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F*ckin'-A, my man! |
Totally Committed |
Aug-09-07 02:01 PM |
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There is already a 100% big business party |
ProudDad |
Aug-09-07 02:05 PM |
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Maybe You Are Correct On Economic Issues But Not Social Ones.. |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-09-07 02:10 PM |
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I'm talking about the corporate fascist state we have become |
ProudDad |
Aug-09-07 02:17 PM |
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Fascism vs. social issues |
Robson |
Aug-10-07 07:53 AM |
#184 |
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Unfortunately |
ProudDad |
Aug-10-07 01:21 PM |
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AMEN ! |
Johnny Noshoes |
Aug-09-07 05:22 PM |
#158 |
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Whew! Glad I didn't get picked up on Lynyrd's radar; but then I support 2A. |
SteveM |
Aug-09-07 02:34 PM |
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Gee Thanks |
Sherman A1 |
Aug-09-07 03:49 PM |
#148 |
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Recognize the fact |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Aug-09-07 04:13 PM |
#151 |
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Historically views shift along the way |
Sherman A1 |
Aug-09-07 07:08 PM |
#174 |
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This is adopting the radical right's definition of "conservative" and I won't play |
DFW |
Aug-09-07 04:19 PM |
#152 |
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You are CLEARLY wrong on who controls the Democratic Party ... |
KneelBeforeZod |
Aug-09-07 04:46 PM |
#154 |
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Welcome to DU |
OzarkDem |
Aug-09-07 06:08 PM |
#167 |
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Old saying... |
Aya Reiko |
Aug-09-07 11:40 PM |
#182 |
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You would hand districts to the Republicans? Give them back the House? |
Xithras |
Aug-09-07 04:46 PM |
#155 |
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See post 101. |
OnionPatch |
Aug-09-07 05:25 PM |
#159 |
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k+r |
Progs Rock |
Aug-09-07 05:33 PM |
#162 |
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What a sanctimonious load of.... |
MADem |
Aug-09-07 05:44 PM |
#163 |
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Well Said! |
Sherman A1 |
Aug-09-07 07:09 PM |
#175 |
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"conservative viewpoints "? |
19jet54 |
Aug-09-07 06:15 PM |
#168 |
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Well put! |
spoony |
Aug-10-07 06:12 AM |
#183 |
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Things aren't always so black and white. |
Scooter24 |
Aug-09-07 06:32 PM |
#170 |
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What an inspirational post! |
philosophie_en_rose |
Aug-09-07 07:12 PM |
#176 |
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Well Said! |
Sherman A1 |
Aug-10-07 02:23 PM |
#188 |
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One problem with your analogy. |
Aya Reiko |
Aug-09-07 11:21 PM |
#181 |
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Conservatism - Cultural, Fiscal, Religious |
Robson |
Aug-10-07 08:03 AM |
#185 |
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