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AnotherGreenWorld Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:32 AM
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22. This is the whole post.
And you're right that it's not impossible for a rich person to care about, and advocate for, the poor. But the degree to which he genuinely cares is suspect when he lives as luxuriously as he does.

So I made two propositional claims: one, a rich person can care about the poor; two, a rich person can advocate for the poor.

Then I looked at this specific case of John Edwards. My own opinion, having grown up poor, is that if I lived as luxuriously as he does, people would have good reason to question my alleged care for the poor. They might be wrong. But when one lives like that, at the very least it causes suspicion.
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  -Why we (feminists) fight. Katherine Brengle  Aug-08-07 08:50 AM   #0 
  - Aw. I thought this was gonna be an within-the-system vs revolutionary thread....  BlooInBloo   Aug-08-07 08:51 AM   #1 
  - Might not be a bad idea lol.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 08:56 AM   #2 
  - I can count to 1. :)  BlooInBloo   Aug-08-07 08:59 AM   #3 
  - I can't stand you, more and more...each day.  Breeze54   Aug-08-07 02:16 PM   #75 
     - I suggest you stop trying.  BlooInBloo   Aug-08-07 02:24 PM   #83 
        - Dude, don't f***ing mock women.  quantessd   Aug-09-07 03:08 AM   #175 
  - So very true. Thank you and recommended! eom  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-08-07 08:59 AM   #4 
  - Thank you for posting this link  lulu   Aug-08-07 09:06 AM   #5 
  - Exactly. I would take it a step further and say that a lot of liberal men  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 09:35 AM   #8 
  - "Because, she's a little too old to fall off her bike but too young to get beat up by her boyfriend"  wicket   Aug-08-07 10:28 AM   #18 
     - Yeah I thought I might puke.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 12:09 PM   #39 
  - Believe me lulu, that world never existed  JitterbugPerfume   Aug-08-07 06:59 PM   #154 
  - fight the good fight.  aikoaiko   Aug-08-07 09:13 AM   #6 
  - thank you Katherine  JitterbugPerfume   Aug-08-07 09:31 AM   #7 
  - I don't fear the power of women. Therefore the general statement "Men fear the power of women"  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 10:04 AM   #13 
  - It's kind of like your generalization on another thread that a rich person.....  wicket   Aug-08-07 10:11 AM   #14 
  - Not relevant. And quote where I said that. In fact, I said exactly the opposite.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 10:16 AM   #16 
     - It's completely relevant  wicket   Aug-08-07 10:22 AM   #17 
        - This is the whole post.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 10:32 AM   #22 
           - And JE has the right  supernova   Aug-08-07 10:34 AM   #23 
              - "lets not sidetrack this thread and the Human Rights of Women into a primary debate"  wicket   Aug-08-07 10:39 AM   #27 
                 - Oopsie!  supernova   Aug-08-07 10:49 AM   #28 
                    - no worries!  wicket   Aug-08-07 10:52 AM   #29 
  - quit nit picking  JitterbugPerfume   Aug-08-07 11:47 AM   #35 
  - perhaps I should have said  JitterbugPerfume   Aug-08-07 11:51 AM   #36 
  - No. Lots of unintelligent people with nothing to contribute spend their time being pedantic...  BlooInBloo   Aug-08-07 12:21 PM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-08-07 12:09 PM   #40 
  - Piss off because I'm not afraid of women?  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 12:47 PM   #56 
     - Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much.  BlooInBloo   Aug-08-07 09:18 PM   #160 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-07 01:17 AM   #171 
        - Umm  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-09-07 07:28 AM   #182 
  - it is just a  BoneDaddy   Aug-08-07 10:51 PM   #167 
     - You're cool. So are are the men who are like you, BoneDaddy.  quantessd   Aug-10-07 12:08 AM   #189 
        - I have known many men who are jerks  BoneDaddy   Aug-10-07 10:00 AM   #190 
  - No men do not fear the power of women. You fear facing reality.  Sapere aude   Aug-08-07 12:18 PM   #48 
     - "Some men may fear the power of women but those are the ones who don't really matter."  wicket   Aug-08-07 12:55 PM   #57 
     - And do Justices Breyer and Stevens fear women?  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:05 PM   #71 
        - Stevens & Breyers are not in the majority on the court  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:09 PM   #73 
           - Ok. I misread your statement, confusing it with a later comment.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:19 PM   #77 
              - I think it's frightening that they have so much control over my reproductive freedom  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:21 PM   #80 
                 - It doesn't follow that they fear women though.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:24 PM   #84 
                 - They fear women having control over their lives and making their own decisions  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:26 PM   #86 
                    - How do you know that?  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:32 PM   #92 
                    - Let me know when women start bombing clinics and killing abortion doctors  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:39 PM   #95 
                    - No one on the Supreme Court--not even the men!--has bombed an abortion clinic.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:45 PM   #98 
                       - I didn't say that, now did I  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:46 PM   #101 
                       - Opinions should have reasons to support them.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:58 PM   #104 
                          - I'm waiting for your response to #101.  quantessd   Aug-09-07 03:25 AM   #176 
                             - I already responded to 101....  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-09-07 07:25 AM   #180 
                                - Just like there isn't much else to say to someone acting like a brick wall  wicket   Aug-09-07 07:28 AM   #181 
                                - Let it be on the record that  quantessd   Aug-09-07 11:56 PM   #188 
                       - "No one on the Supreme Court--not even the men!--has bombed an abortion clinic."  quantessd   Aug-09-07 02:19 AM   #172 
                          - "And, a hilarious moment to everyone else!"  wicket   Aug-09-07 07:29 AM   #183 
                    - Hello. I think you and I should get to know one another.  quantessd   Aug-09-07 12:43 AM   #170 
                       - The Freeper ones.  otherlander   Aug-11-07 10:51 AM   #196 
                    - Fear, or loathing?  lynnertic   Aug-09-07 06:55 AM   #178 
                       - Good point  wicket   Aug-09-07 07:21 AM   #179 
                 - And wouldn't it be just as frightening if nine women with the views of Ann Coulter  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:27 PM   #87 
                    - The currently reality is much more frightening  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:29 PM   #89 
                    - So the idea of nine women who not only would want to overturn Roe but could quite easily  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:36 PM   #93 
                       - I only deal in reality  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:39 PM   #94 
                       - Critical thinking requires hypothetical thinking.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:43 PM   #97 
                          - You're asking me to imagine 9 Ann Coulters on the Supreme Court  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:45 PM   #99 
                             - The point is merely to imagine a situation such that  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:55 PM   #103 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-07 03:42 AM   #177 
                    - it's fearing women's POWER, not fearing an individual woman, get it right. n/t  Scout   Aug-08-07 08:56 PM   #156 
     - Start a discussion here about  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 01:09 PM   #58 
     - I said some men fear the power of women but most of us don't and to say  Sapere aude   Aug-08-07 01:22 PM   #64 
        - If you didn' t fear the power of women  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 02:00 PM   #70 
           - Man you sure have a vivid imagination.  Sapere aude   Aug-08-07 02:08 PM   #72 
              - I stand by what I said  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 02:19 PM   #78 
                 - I agree.  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 02:20 PM   #79 
                 - You have a vivid imagination also.  Sapere aude   Aug-08-07 02:23 PM   #81 
                 - Are you pro-choice?  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:41 PM   #96 
                    - Yes why do you ask?  Sapere aude   Aug-08-07 02:46 PM   #100 
                       - Yeah, me too.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 02:49 PM   #102 
                          - I really don't fear men either. I'm 61 years old and happily married.  Sapere aude   Aug-08-07 03:20 PM   #105 
                 - The defensiveness says it all...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 02:24 PM   #85 
                 - Too bad that white privilege isn't something you can just take off--  eridani   Aug-09-07 12:19 AM   #168 
     - hahaha...dream on. Supreme Court anyone?...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 01:59 PM   #69 
     - I have had 67 years  JitterbugPerfume   Aug-08-07 07:04 PM   #155 
  - Yesterday I heard another story about abuse  cally   Aug-08-07 09:39 AM   #9 
  - I think the hatred stems from fear of women...  femrap   Aug-08-07 09:45 AM   #10 
  - I don't understand it either.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 12:10 PM   #41 
  - Thank you Katherine  supernova   Aug-08-07 10:00 AM   #11 
  - Amen!!!!  wicket   Aug-08-07 10:02 AM   #12 
  - There is something comforting about that victim stance  treestar   Aug-08-07 10:15 AM   #15 
  - If you look to the future without feminism  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 10:35 AM   #24 
  - treestar did not say anything about abandoning feminism  hfojvt   Aug-08-07 01:10 PM   #59 
  - you certainly can saw "we" when you are on the same side  treestar   Aug-08-07 01:14 PM   #61 
  - I don't. We need feminism. Since it is mainstream, that should make  treestar   Aug-08-07 01:10 PM   #60 
     - Agreed.  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 01:19 PM   #63 
  - Absolutely, no dwelling. But no apathy either.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 12:12 PM   #42 
  - The one who want to turn the clocks back ARE IN CHARGE!  alarimer   Aug-08-07 12:21 PM   #50 
     - True, but what chance do they have of winning, really?  treestar   Aug-08-07 01:17 PM   #62 
        - I wonder about how liberal of judges Clinton would appoint.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 03:30 PM   #106 
  - The difference between there and here,  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 10:30 AM   #19 
  - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-08-07 10:31 AM   #21 
  - That group of people who consistently show up  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 10:36 AM   #25 
     - Too many to count  wicket   Aug-08-07 10:39 AM   #26 
     - The "what about the men!" coalition  thecatburgler   Aug-08-07 10:57 AM   #31 
        - Why do they never  supernova   Aug-08-07 11:04 AM   #32 
        - Because most of their "issues" aren't  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 12:17 PM   #47 
        - "Exactly where we were before, since you weren't helping us anyway."  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 12:16 PM   #46 
           - But there are men who defend women's rights.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 04:35 PM   #116 
              - She's not talking about those few men.  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 04:42 PM   #121 
                 - Yeah. I just think some of the rhetoric on this thread  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-08-07 04:49 PM   #128 
  - Amidst the battle cries of "You're irrational!" "Women are soooo emotional!"  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 12:13 PM   #43 
  - Awwwww That Was Really Cute.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 12:14 PM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-08-07 12:19 PM   #49 
  - Why The Melodrama? I Wasn't Even Responding To You. I Thought Your OP Was Fine.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 12:22 PM   #53 
     - Actually no,  supernova   Aug-08-07 12:29 PM   #55 
  - Right. You've never actually seen anything you would  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 12:24 PM   #54 
  - You are SO right Thom  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 02:23 PM   #82 
  - Show Me Someone Who Is. Ready, Set, GO!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:12 PM   #109 
     - We're not allowed to call people out and you KNOW it  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 04:15 PM   #110 
        - ...and just fyi  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 04:24 PM   #113 
        - You Realize How Laughable It Is To Claim There Are 106,000 Of Us, Right?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:37 PM   #117 
           - blah blah blah blah  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 04:41 PM   #120 
              - No One Called You Or Them Liars.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:43 PM   #122 
              - *snerk*  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 04:45 PM   #125 
              - so they aren't liars, but they are "guilty of having flawed, clouded or inaccurate perception" ....  Scout   Aug-08-07 09:11 PM   #157 
              - ...and it is funny  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 04:44 PM   #123 
              - Please, Read A Response Before You Continue Replying. It'll Save Us Time.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:49 PM   #129 
              - According to OMC, there is plenty of anti-christian bigotry on DU.  Kingshakabobo   Aug-10-07 10:44 AM   #191 
                 - Thank-you For This!  Madspirit   Aug-10-07 12:36 PM   #192 
                 - How DARE I Defend Against Bigotry. I Mean, Like, HOW DARE I!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-10-07 02:17 PM   #194 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-08-07 04:44 PM   #124 
                 - Yup! There's That Knee Jerk Of Flawed Perception Reaction I'm Talkin About!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:47 PM   #126 
                 - Sorry Thom ...You Are Right  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 04:49 PM   #127 
                    - I Have Noticed  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 04:51 PM   #130 
                    - So What Ever Happened To Providing Supporting Substance? You Dead In The Water Already?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:51 PM   #131 
        - That's A Cop Out. Just Post The Quotes AND The Context. No Names Are Necessary.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:31 PM   #115 
  - Check your PM  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:27 PM   #88 
  - Here's a good example of sexism  OzarkDem   Aug-08-07 04:29 PM   #114 
     - Oh Absolutely. Even Now There Is Still Far Too Much Sexism In Our Society.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-08-07 04:38 PM   #118 
        - I can't speak for DU  OzarkDem   Aug-08-07 04:40 PM   #119 
  - The Democratic Party is the party of women  OzarkDem   Aug-08-07 03:31 PM   #107 
  - But do you chew gum?  Redneck Socialist   Aug-08-07 10:30 AM   #20 
  - LOL!  supernova   Aug-08-07 10:55 AM   #30 
  - So I just read that link and...oy vey!  thecatburgler   Aug-08-07 11:08 AM   #33 
  - Isn't he a piece of work?  supernova   Aug-08-07 11:45 AM   #34 
  - Yes, because everything was so much better back then.  ThomCat   Aug-08-07 11:57 AM   #37 
     - Because you know, we didn't  supernova   Aug-08-07 12:06 PM   #38 
  - Check this statement out........  BlackVelvet04   Aug-08-07 06:35 PM   #152 
     - But military spending is Important, and Manly!  thecatburgler   Aug-08-07 09:20 PM   #162 
        - That's exactly it.....  BlackVelvet04   Aug-08-07 09:29 PM   #165 
  - If these guys really had to live in a world with only each other I'd be happy.  Sapere aude   Aug-08-07 12:15 PM   #45 
  - They'd nuke us within a week.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 12:21 PM   #52 
     - They'd die of radiation sickness in the attempt  Lilith Velkor   Aug-08-07 01:35 PM   #65 
        - I shouldn't laugh  supernova   Aug-08-07 01:49 PM   #67 
  - k&r...Of Course...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 01:37 PM   #66 
  - "most keep these thoughts inside"  cobalt1999   Aug-08-07 01:52 PM   #68 
  - No one told you what you are thinking.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 02:30 PM   #90 
  - Your OP made me cry! Literally! THANK YOU!!!  Breeze54   Aug-08-07 02:12 PM   #74 
  - Howdy neighbor!  wicket   Aug-08-07 02:17 PM   #76 
  - Hi there, wicket!  Breeze54   Aug-08-07 04:17 PM   #111 
  - :D  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 02:30 PM   #91 
  - K&R  musette_sf   Aug-08-07 03:48 PM   #108 
  - Ron Paul is an MD. OB-Gyn for many years in Lake Jackson, TX.  Perragrande   Aug-09-07 12:31 AM   #169 
     - oh yes, spent WAAAAY too much time  musette_sf   Aug-09-07 09:49 AM   #186 
  - What a despicable pig.  quantessd   Aug-08-07 04:19 PM   #112 
  - I still don't hate people, but I do hate ideas.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:13 PM   #132 
  - The Myth of Reverse Discrimination....n/t  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:17 PM   #133 
  - ...because  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:18 PM   #134 
  - ...because what is SO telling  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:20 PM   #135 
     - No, I'm equally offended by both.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:22 PM   #137 
        - Well now, that is funny  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:28 PM   #141 
           - What did you read? Clearly something other than what I wrote.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:39 PM   #147 
              - hahaha...whew...hahaha  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:50 PM   #149 
                 - No, I'm off to fight bias. Period. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:57 PM   #150 
  - Are you working from a definition of "discrimination" that is unfamiliar to the rest of us?  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:20 PM   #136 
     - YOU are claiming reverse discrimination  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:27 PM   #140 
        - There you go again.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:36 PM   #145 
        - I doubt that will happen. Based on his posts so far, I refuse to engage. nt  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 05:36 PM   #146 
           - Prudent. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:44 PM   #148 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-08-07 09:14 PM   #158 
                 - When given the opportunity to oppose bias and predjudice; both.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 09:58 PM   #166 
  - Maybe you can just feel confident that you are a good man and a good person?  quantessd   Aug-09-07 02:49 AM   #173 
     - I do. But apparently it's combative to assert that I'm not unique. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-09-07 10:39 AM   #187 
  - What is Amazing and SO Telling  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:23 PM   #138 
  - But . . . but . . . but . . .  gollygee   Aug-08-07 05:24 PM   #139 
  - Kinda like white folks or Christians  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:30 PM   #142 
  - What is amazing and so telling...  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-08-07 05:31 PM   #143 
     - Really...go google. ...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-08-07 05:33 PM   #144 
  - I think the question of equal rights  BlackVelvet04   Aug-08-07 06:13 PM   #151 
  - EXACTLY - who the hell has the right to "grant" me "rights" ??? These rights should be  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 09:16 PM   #159 
     - It makes my blood boil.  BlackVelvet04   Aug-08-07 09:20 PM   #161 
        - I wouldn't count on Clinton for much...  Katherine Brengle   Aug-08-07 09:23 PM   #163 
           - At least it would be nice to see a woman in the white house  BlackVelvet04   Aug-08-07 09:25 PM   #164 
              - It really would.  Katherine Brengle   Aug-09-07 07:51 AM   #185 
  - Right on  ismnotwasm   Aug-08-07 06:46 PM   #153 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-07 02:53 AM   #174 
     - And this is based on what? I know for myself that's not true.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-09-07 07:31 AM   #184 
        - What'd we miss?  Katherine Brengle   Aug-10-07 12:38 PM   #193 
           - Yeah, what did we miss? n/t  Kingshakabobo   Aug-11-07 10:29 AM   #195 
 

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