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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:55 AM
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95. You make my point
"Conceivably, the house could go to the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia if the evasion is successful over a long period of time and ask for some form of alternative service, but most likely it will not come to that."

That's exactly right. Just like anyone else who refuses to obey a court order to appear. (Yes Congress is not a court, but in the specific manner they act like one, although they have to ask DC AG to act for them as enforcement). It isn't "we can't find him" so he wins. In fact, his attorney told Congress he's evading. On that basis, directing the DC AG to act shouldn't involve a lot of waiting, especially if the US Marshals are unwilling/unable to locate a such a recent General and DC area CEO.

As far as whether issuing a notice that you will evade via attorney is exactly some prime facie Contempt of Congress--I'd have to research further (find more time to read!). It is of course rhetorically contemptuous of Congress, not to mention us, the American People. A judge can seemingly issue contempt orders at whim for disobeying his/her directives; Congress in this special power does act like a judge. As you point out, my previous link suggests the breadth of how seriously the court system has affirmed Congress' power to investigate. It must have teeth.

I take issue with my further statements being labeled absurd. Congress does indeed posses mighty power, just like the other two branches. They merely have to use it or even threaten to use it, along the lines I have suggested or maybe even more sophisticated. Congress/Waxman has so many options to make the guy show up. There is no "this is the way the system works." Waxman can bust balls with even more leverage than your typical DA and compel testimony. He has a big podium.

Regarding executive privilege--unless you know this guy and aren't telling us something, it is totally consistent with the Admins serial attempted (and so far successful) undermining of our Democratic Congress' power to investigate and hold accountable while trumpeting up the so-called Unitary Executive. Several are currently evading subpoenas, although we aren't hung up on service that I'm aware of. The Tilman fiasco and apparent cover-up may reach high levels in DOD if not the WH.

This isn't thumbing your nose. That man's oath doesn't dissolve at retirement. Nor is an oath be required to do what is right. But those who do take an oath and serve, should have a special awareness of who they serve--the people. Not a political cover up. That's the crime there, even if we don't have a law for it.
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  -Where the hell is Lt. General Kensinger? I want his ass brought in for questioning. fooj  Aug-06-07 03:14 PM   #0 
  - Are there any good hearings scheduled during the "break"?  BuyingThyme   Aug-06-07 03:16 PM   #1 
  - I don't think so. I just want to know where this f*cking coward is.  fooj   Aug-06-07 03:18 PM   #2 
  - Nobody asked the question. If it was "friendly fire" then  sfexpat2000   Aug-06-07 03:19 PM   #3 
  - How 'bout, "If there was no incoming fire, at whom was the 'friend' firing?"  BuyingThyme   Aug-06-07 03:21 PM   #5 
  - The cover is, the group got divided and wound up shooting  sfexpat2000   Aug-06-07 03:22 PM   #6 
     - No actually the cover story sounds very plausible  truedelphi   Aug-06-07 07:00 PM   #36 
        - Right -- and it falls apart when we learn the distance between  sfexpat2000   Aug-07-07 11:24 AM   #70 
  - Never thought of that, Great point!  superkia   Aug-06-07 10:50 PM   #47 
  - AWOL.  shain from kane   Aug-06-07 03:19 PM   #4 
  - Rep. Waxman will resume the Hearings in Sept.  Disturbed   Aug-06-07 03:23 PM   #9 
  - Won't be considered AWOL, if he is following his Commander-In-Chief's order.  shain from kane   Aug-06-07 03:34 PM   #10 
  - He is retired...he can not be AWOL:  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 06:28 PM   #27 
     - He Is Retired... And He Is A COWARD !!!  WillyT   Aug-07-07 11:48 PM   #74 
  - Good question Fooj and thanks for the post - I had no idea he skipped bail.  shance   Aug-06-07 03:23 PM   #7 
  - Well...  Solly Mack   Aug-06-07 03:23 PM   #8 
  - K&R..yes where is he? i want to know as well!!! eom  flyarm   Aug-06-07 03:39 PM   #11 
  - If the Army is hiding him, wouldn't that be aiding and abetting? Kick and Recommend! nt  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-06-07 03:45 PM   #12 
  - The Army punished him, I doubt they are hiding him  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 06:32 PM   #30 
     - Oh, I don't know about that. They knocked him down a star....  Kingshakabobo   Aug-06-07 07:04 PM   #37 
        - dunno, that would tend to piss a guy off. He also retired, so the Army would not know where he is  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 07:07 PM   #38 
  - Did he skip the country?  knitter4democracy   Aug-06-07 03:48 PM   #13 
  - Nope. It's even worse than that.  fooj   Aug-06-07 05:21 PM   #22 
  - Not if he wasn't served  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 06:27 PM   #26 
  - 'Green Zone'  troubleinwinter   Aug-07-07 05:05 AM   #56 
     - Which begs the question, can US Marshals get to the geen zone  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:33 AM   #66 
        - Hard to know if it will be "straight forward"  troubleinwinter   Aug-07-07 08:22 AM   #69 
  - He is retired  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 06:44 PM   #34 
  - and then what?  radfringe   Aug-06-07 03:49 PM   #14 
  - and then what?  radfringe   Aug-06-07 03:56 PM   #15 
  - Way To Reflect HONOR General!  hootinholler   Aug-06-07 03:57 PM   #16 
  - What??!!  kenfrequed   Aug-06-07 04:02 PM   #17 
  - They need to GPS his phone!  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-06-07 04:14 PM   #18 
  - Stan Goff's latest on the Tillman fratricide  eridani   Aug-06-07 04:20 PM   #19 
  - Thanks for the link. EXCELLENT read!  fooj   Aug-06-07 05:36 PM   #23 
  - "has evaded a subpoena issued by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform"  troubleinwinter   Aug-06-07 04:23 PM   #20 
  - "Business travel."  fooj   Aug-06-07 05:18 PM   #21 
  - On what charge? He has done illegal at this time  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 06:30 PM   #29 
  - Contempt of Congress  me b zola   Aug-07-07 02:48 AM   #54 
     - Can't be contempt until he is severd and does not appear  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:17 AM   #59 
  - Lt. General Philip Kensinger, Jr. (Ret) - Chief Operating Officer, Oak Grove Technologies  troubleinwinter   Aug-06-07 08:04 PM   #41 
     - Its a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business (SDVOSB)  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 09:37 PM   #46 
        - No one said they were "exactly Blackwater".  troubleinwinter   Aug-07-07 12:17 AM   #48 
        - Did not mean to offend, but given the heat being generated  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 01:36 AM   #49 
           - Maybe Oak Grove has resemblance to Blackwater after all...  troubleinwinter   Aug-07-07 04:58 AM   #55 
              - Good find, intell and secuirty people, but no armed mercs  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:31 AM   #65 
        - I can't find a 'small business' NAICS code for COUNTERINTELLIGENCE and SECURITY in IRAQ  troubleinwinter   Aug-07-07 05:20 AM   #57 
           - The current NACIS list is from 2002, and was developed earlier, give the SBA a little time to catch  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:34 AM   #67 
  - Didn't you hear? None of them have to be held accountable for  SaveAmerica   Aug-06-07 05:47 PM   #24 
  - Somehow I doubt any personal actions you take are going to change anything in this scenario  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 06:16 PM   #25 
  - Personal actions? What's with your "projecting"?  fooj   Aug-07-07 02:00 AM   #50 
  - Kicking to keep this up, another important post today that should not be lost.  AuntPatsy   Aug-06-07 06:29 PM   #28 
  - was discussed here and elsewhere last week  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 06:43 PM   #33 
     - Who gives a crap if he's retired?  fooj   Aug-07-07 02:16 AM   #53 
     - My read of the thread indicated that many of the posters thought he was on active duty and ducking  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:25 AM   #62 
     - Some posters were talking about him being AWOL...  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:28 AM   #64 
     - Just because it was discussed last week on du does not mean that I or others saw it  AuntPatsy   Aug-08-07 06:52 PM   #77 
  - Haven't you heard? Republicans get a SPECIAL EXEMPTION  kestrel91316   Aug-06-07 06:36 PM   #31 
  - Shouldn't MSM be looking for him  malaise   Aug-06-07 06:37 PM   #32 
  - can a general do that?  Blue_Tires   Aug-06-07 06:57 PM   #35 
  - He is retired, and as done nothing illegal in avoiding a subpeona  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 07:12 PM   #39 
     - what?  druidity33   Aug-06-07 08:01 PM   #40 
        - He's on the run, evidently.  troubleinwinter   Aug-06-07 08:07 PM   #42 
        - He has not been served with the subpeona, so he is not in contempt  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 08:07 PM   #43 
        - He has not been served, because he chooses to "EVADE service"  troubleinwinter   Aug-06-07 08:19 PM   #44 
           - Presumably true, but its still not contempt  Solo_in_MD   Aug-06-07 09:16 PM   #45 
              - The US Marshals were SENT after him to SERVE him with a subpoena.  fooj   Aug-07-07 02:12 AM   #52 
              - And until they serve him, he is not under any obligatgion to appear before the committee  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:21 AM   #60 
              - And until they serve him, any apearance by him is voluntary  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:26 AM   #63 
              - "travel on your own dime"  troubleinwinter   Aug-07-07 08:08 AM   #68 
                 - My view of the end game is that this will fizzle out  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 07:30 PM   #80 
                    - Apparently, he wasn't disgraced enough.  fooj   Aug-08-07 07:59 PM   #85 
                       - I dare state that these hearing are showboating based on historical example and precedent  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 08:13 PM   #87 
                          - And I SUGGEST that you stop with your condescending blather...  fooj   Aug-08-07 09:06 PM   #90 
                             - I won't apologize for defending the civil rights of the despicable since it also defends them for  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 09:18 PM   #91 
                                - You finally said it! DESPICABLE.  fooj   Aug-08-07 09:39 PM   #92 
        - at some point they can issue a bench warrant, no?  Snazzy   Aug-07-07 05:27 AM   #58 
           - No they can not. Congress can not issue warrants, that is reserved for the courts  Solo_in_MD   Aug-07-07 07:23 AM   #61 
              - While you're busy defending the actions of this coward...  fooj   Aug-07-07 04:02 PM   #71 
              - exactly  Snazzy   Aug-07-07 11:40 PM   #73 
              - Not defending him, just pointing out factual inaccuracies and hyperbole  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 07:05 PM   #78 
              - uh, yeah, Please excuse my ill considered use of "they"  Snazzy   Aug-07-07 11:38 PM   #72 
                 - Thanks, Snazzy. Mighty interesting.  troubleinwinter   Aug-08-07 06:38 PM   #75 
                 - Right on!  fooj   Aug-08-07 07:09 PM   #79 
                 - He still fails to understand the due process requirements  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 07:40 PM   #82 
                 - Cite what you claim.  troubleinwinter   Aug-08-07 07:51 PM   #84 
                    - Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) were the Salem witch trials of politics in the US.  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 08:04 PM   #86 
                       - I see. You cannot or will not cite the material that you pretend exists.  troubleinwinter   Aug-08-07 08:41 PM   #88 
                          - My claims are good, but you do not seem to be aware of a bedrock principle of English/Am. common law  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 10:00 PM   #93 
                 - why all the congress needs to do is trace where he has gone with his passport!!  flyarm   Aug-08-07 11:47 PM   #94 
                 - You misunderstand the process  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 06:47 PM   #76 
                    - What a crock of shit.  fooj   Aug-08-07 07:35 PM   #81 
                    - Which is all you get from televised committee hearing...they are effectively staged and scripted  Solo_in_MD   Aug-08-07 07:49 PM   #83 
                       - Congress Contempt Power:  fooj   Aug-08-07 09:00 PM   #89 
                    - You make my point  Snazzy   Aug-09-07 12:55 AM   #95 
  - Maybe he's using this "free time" to help plan Bush's martial law coup!  calipendence   Aug-07-07 02:04 AM   #51 
  - B*sh can't recall on Tillman  fooj   Aug-09-07 01:33 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-07 02:08 PM   #97 
  - Army reprimands in Tillman case mild.  fooj   Aug-10-07 09:15 PM   #98 

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