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83. Chalmers Johnson discusses some of this in his books
and how little the US public knows about "what is done in their name"... I recommend reading the whole series.

thanks for the post... also have Gary Webb's book; I think he got too close to the truth...
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  -So Many Dark Things we Dont Know about Time for change  Aug-05-07 12:33 PM   #0 
  - It's all so obvious . . .  Richard D   Aug-05-07 12:40 PM   #1 
  - It's to much to even fathom. (nt)  frankly_fedup2   Aug-05-07 12:45 PM   #2 
  - Look at all the candidates people, and think, who will stop the madness.  dkofos   Aug-05-07 12:46 PM   #3 
  - Run for office and change what you can. Even if you only run for dog catcher.  demodonkey   Aug-05-07 12:51 PM   #4 
  - check with your county for open board positions  BareNakedLiberal   Aug-05-07 10:24 PM   #71 
  - You are so right.  saddlesore   Aug-06-07 10:23 AM   #115 
  - They Don't Have To Kill Everyone  liberalmike27   Aug-06-07 06:46 AM   #93 
     - Then BE the media! I am starting an online community magazine in our red area.  Liberty Belle   Aug-06-07 11:17 AM   #121 
        - Very nice blog! I only had a quick look,  Raksha   Aug-07-07 02:45 AM   #163 
           - Find someone to partner with. I'm a techno-geek, too;  Liberty Belle   Aug-07-07 10:15 AM   #167 
  - One thing is clear, however. We will never defeat  bbgrunt   Aug-05-07 12:54 PM   #5 
  - That's a great point  Time for change   Aug-05-07 07:44 PM   #58 
     - Well said!  raccoon   Aug-07-07 02:00 PM   #168 
  - It springs out of WWII -- we never really "defeated" Naziism, instead ,  villager   Aug-05-07 01:08 PM   #6 
  - Yes indeed. Reinhard Gehlen. Operation Paperclip  RufusTFirefly   Aug-05-07 01:23 PM   #9 
  - Knew about Paperclip. Not about Gehlen, specifically. Thx for the links.  villager   Aug-05-07 02:22 PM   #21 
  - We imported Nazis into our intelligence and even into NASA . . ..  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 03:12 PM   #23 
     - Indeed I have.  villager   Aug-05-07 03:31 PM   #29 
     - Very limited acknowledgment of this in MSM -- ---- --- ----  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 08:43 PM   #60 
     - Imported Nazi?  dickbearton   Aug-05-07 06:52 PM   #52 
     - Good point.  JohnyCanuck   Aug-06-07 06:54 AM   #94 
     - And the University of Chicago...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Aug-06-07 03:05 AM   #84 
     - Prescott Bush was doing business with Germany before and during WWII.  bananarepublican   Aug-06-07 09:43 PM   #159 
  - Great Post!!  Redstate Red Herring   Aug-05-07 01:11 PM   #7 
  - It's becoming increasingly difficult to acknowledge how entrenched this country has become,...  sicksicksick_N_tired   Aug-05-07 01:22 PM   #8 
  - The Tree of Liberty...  Karenina   Aug-05-07 01:59 PM   #17 
  - Obviously "change" is going to be costly .... as freedom has always been.  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 03:13 PM   # 
  - That is precisely why  irislake   Aug-05-07 05:46 PM   #46 
     - Plan for the future...  dickbearton   Aug-05-07 07:00 PM   #55 
        - The internet will be one of the first things that dies with the next terror attack.  bagrman   Aug-06-07 12:32 PM   #135 
  - K & R  BushDespiser12   Aug-05-07 01:26 PM   #10 
  - Yes  Time for change   Aug-06-07 06:31 AM   #90 
  - Yup... if only we had the courage to fight for what we need...  redqueen   Aug-06-07 10:12 AM   #113 
  - Do you know which president he was referring to  checks-n-balances   Aug-05-07 01:37 PM   #11 
  - He did not say who it was  Time for change   Aug-05-07 07:12 PM   #57 
     - Sure, that makes sense, although that scene is really SCARY!!  checks-n-balances   Aug-05-07 08:15 PM   #59 
  - Rec'd. for your hard work. I will have to read later. n/t  live love laugh   Aug-05-07 01:42 PM   #12 
  - An Exceptional post! K&R  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Aug-05-07 01:46 PM   #13 
  - K&R n/t  musette_sf   Aug-05-07 01:47 PM   #14 
  - Thanks for putting this all together  bonito   Aug-05-07 01:50 PM   #15 
  - K & R  greyhound1966   Aug-05-07 01:56 PM   #16 
  - How do we find, vote for, and keep representatives who think like  higher class   Aug-05-07 02:02 PM   #18 
  - Get rid of the DLC, for one thing --  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 03:23 PM   #26 
  - I like what Al Gore has to say about this  Time for change   Aug-06-07 07:34 AM   #95 
  - Didn't stop the Roman empire from falling, did it?  Skidmore   Aug-05-07 02:03 PM   #19 
  - Time to wake up . . . if you already don't know these things ----- !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 02:29 PM   #22 
  - Somehow Fidel Castro and Chavez in Venezuela have escaped . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 03:24 PM   #27 
  - more on MLK  CGowen   Aug-05-07 02:19 PM   #20 
  - Specifically, the FBI as I recall -- ???  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 03:26 PM   #28 
  - thanks, I'm watching one now  CGowen   Aug-05-07 03:32 PM   #30 
  - Wow, I didn't know that  Time for change   Aug-06-07 08:15 AM   #100 
     - I just watched a video yesterday where he explained  CGowen   Aug-06-07 02:06 PM   #140 
  - K&R, great post...  AntiFascist   Aug-05-07 03:13 PM   #24 
  - Another power to watch for  rucognizant   Aug-05-07 04:17 PM   #32 
  - Speaking of "strategic tension"....  AntiFascist   Aug-05-07 04:25 PM   #34 
  - i truly hate monsanto. we have got to throw all these jerks behind bars where they belong. nt  NotGivingUp   Aug-05-07 06:55 PM   #53 
  - War by Monsanto/Food by Monsanto -- Agent Orange  defendandprotect   Aug-05-07 08:44 PM   #61 
  - That's unconsciounable -- making this out to be a game  Time for change   Aug-05-07 10:09 PM   #69 
  - I fear that the problem itself may be more international in scope...  AntiFascist   Aug-06-07 05:39 AM   #89 
     - That's where I find my optimism too: decentralize the sources of energy nt  glitch   Aug-06-07 11:35 AM   #124 
  - Thanks for a little flame of hope! Perhaps the Wizard's curtain...  puebloknot   Aug-06-07 01:30 AM   #81 
  - Good post!  mogster   Aug-05-07 03:17 PM   #25 
  - Congress Has to Give Him Everything He Asks For, Or Else...  AndyTiedye   Aug-05-07 04:07 PM   #31 
  - You just chilled me to the bone with that photo reminder  Lifelong Protester   Aug-05-07 04:45 PM   #39 
     - And his repuke "heir"...god has that idiot wrought a lot of damage...  TankLV   Aug-05-07 11:19 PM   #75 
        - Yep, an opportunistic creep who makes my skin crawl  Lifelong Protester   Aug-06-07 12:01 AM   #76 
  - FOR THE RECORD: I will NEVER commit suicide... And I have NO family history of pancreatic cancer  Kip Humphrey   Aug-05-07 04:25 PM   #33 
  - I think Orwell called it 'vaporising'  bambino   Aug-05-07 04:27 PM   #35 
  - "IS" pretty good at it........they havent stopped......  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-06-07 08:31 AM   #102 
  - One of our options for slow revolution is every bit of decentralizing technology we have.  diane in sf   Aug-05-07 04:30 PM   #36 
  - Yes, definitely  Time for change   Aug-06-07 09:55 AM   #109 
  - .  Kurovski   Aug-05-07 04:31 PM   #37 
  - Even the worst of Democrats--  eridani   Aug-05-07 04:33 PM   #38 
  - Please watch this considering everything you have read on this thread. K&R  BeHereNow   Aug-05-07 05:04 PM   #40 
  - Now that was disturbing...  SQinAZ   Aug-06-07 12:10 AM   #77 
  - Welcome to DU, and the only comfort I can give you is: You are not alone.  BeHereNow   Aug-06-07 12:43 AM   #79 
  - Thank you for the link BHN -- I will definitely watch it when I get some time  Time for change   Aug-06-07 09:57 AM   #110 
  - Very interesting array of quotes  Time for change   Aug-06-07 08:56 PM   #154 
  - Trilateral Commission and how they figure into global dominance-  BeHereNow   Aug-05-07 05:12 PM   #41 
  - Congress has learned to take Bush-Cheney threats very seriously. K & R nt  glitch   Aug-05-07 05:18 PM   #42 
  - or have been blackmailed seriously!! eom  flyarm   Aug-05-07 05:30 PM   #43 
     - Whatever works - we all know from bushcult past actions nothing is beneath them.  glitch   Aug-05-07 05:42 PM   #44 
        - yes indeed...and don't forget ..  flyarm   Aug-05-07 05:47 PM   #47 
  - Threads like th is make me wish we could schedule an immediate conference call or something.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Aug-05-07 05:44 PM   #45 
  - I'm not all that concerned about anonimity  Time for change   Aug-05-07 09:44 PM   #67 
  - Archives presented last week on DU exposed the Bushes and other  MasonJar   Aug-05-07 05:55 PM   #48 
  - Wow, Masonjar! Haven't seen you here in ages.  BeHereNow   Aug-05-07 07:02 PM   #56 
  - Add Pat Tillman to the assasination list? I guess *perhaps* we'll find out in coming days?...  calipendence   Aug-05-07 06:38 PM   #49 
  - Yep, those would be good additions  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:08 AM   #111 
  - Excellent post.  SarahBelle   Aug-05-07 06:46 PM   #50 
  - Yes, you read and you have eyes and a brain...so do the rest of us.  Raksha   Aug-05-07 09:48 PM   #68 
  - New movie Mike Malloy is recommending! It's awesome.  Joanne98   Aug-05-07 06:47 PM   #51 
  - Thanks for the link  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:09 AM   #112 
  - Only a spoiled child will walk away pouting when faced with a choice...  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-05-07 06:57 PM   #54 
  - I call bullsh*t  marekjed   Aug-05-07 08:45 PM   #62 
  - You're reading stuff into my post that I'm not saying  Time for change   Aug-05-07 08:56 PM   #63 
     - He certainly is.  Dr.Phool   Aug-05-07 09:31 PM   #64 
     - Here's what I wrote about why I'm voting for him a few months ago  Time for change   Aug-05-07 09:40 PM   #66 
     - Sorry, but he really isn't  Senator   Aug-06-07 04:19 AM   #86 
        - Sorry, you're wrong  Time for change   Aug-06-07 07:50 AM   #96 
           - But, not about that...  Senator   Aug-07-07 02:40 AM   #162 
              - I don't believe that the positive reaction to this post was in any way related to a feeling that we  Time for change   Aug-07-07 07:30 AM   #165 
  - The truth can set us free, and maybe a lot faster than Will Pitt imagined.  Raksha   Aug-05-07 09:34 PM   #65 
  - I'll read it if they'll invite me  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:17 AM   #114 
     - Sounds like those books are required reading  Raksha   Aug-06-07 03:44 PM   #146 
  - k&r...n/t  Madspirit   Aug-05-07 10:14 PM   #70 
  - K & R - thanks, TfC. Very, very scary. What can be done when they  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-05-07 10:52 PM   #72 
  - Not to mention BOTH political parties...  personman   Aug-06-07 05:04 AM   #88 
  - Yes, it is scary, but  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:33 AM   #116 
     - I agree. We have not only the numbers, but we CAN get the truth out -  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-06-07 01:19 PM   #139 
  - Great post, thank you for putting this together! n/t  slipslidingaway   Aug-05-07 11:06 PM   #73 
  - Idealists beware  zoya   Aug-05-07 11:17 PM   #74 
  - I hate to say it but  Time for change   Aug-06-07 07:56 AM   #97 
  - There is indeed a lot of dark matter in the universe. nt  calteacherguy   Aug-06-07 12:17 AM   #78 
  - Raising a glass to your scholarship and to your courage!  puebloknot   Aug-06-07 01:25 AM   #80 
  - I pretty much agree with all you've said here, except for one important thing  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:42 AM   #117 
     - That's a hopeful thought about the military. I just have to wonder...  puebloknot   Aug-06-07 02:15 PM   #142 
        - The fundies OWN the Air Force  Karenina   Aug-06-07 06:27 PM   #148 
           - Yes. I'm in Santa Fe, and I'm always reading about the goings-on...  puebloknot   Aug-06-07 06:36 PM   #149 
              - Here's another link for you.  Karenina   Aug-06-07 06:44 PM   #150 
                 - Thanks! I read it yesterday. "Christian" soldiers coming to all our towns soon. Or ...  puebloknot   Aug-06-07 07:21 PM   #151 
  - ttt----great info  Blue_Tires   Aug-06-07 01:38 AM   #82 
  - Chalmers Johnson discusses some of this in his books  kineneb   Aug-06-07 01:57 AM   #83 
  - It is true,  EnricoFermi   Aug-06-07 03:27 AM   #85 
  - Yes indeed  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:48 AM   #119 
  - Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.  seemslikeadream   Aug-06-07 06:41 AM   #92 
  - I've read his second and third books  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:46 AM   #118 
  - The Sword of Damocles  Progs Rock   Aug-06-07 05:00 AM   #87 
  - "The sword isn't invincible"  Time for change   Aug-06-07 11:27 AM   #122 
     - I think that society exists in our collective consciousness,  Progs Rock   Aug-07-07 02:04 AM   #161 
  - K&R for John Perkins  Ian_rd   Aug-06-07 06:40 AM   #91 
  - Yes, that's what's so refreshing and enlightening about his book  Time for change   Aug-06-07 11:28 AM   #123 
  - this is a stellar post  bigtree   Aug-06-07 08:01 AM   #98 
  - Thank you -- I feel much like you do about it  Time for change   Aug-06-07 12:08 PM   #129 
  - There is no reason this shouldnt get 1000 Recs.......nt  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-06-07 08:05 AM   #99 
  - If this is true...........  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-06-07 08:24 AM   #101 
  - And...the stuff about his son ...  KoKo01   Aug-06-07 08:33 AM   #104 
  - I certainly accept the idea that our government leaders..  Virginia Dare   Aug-06-07 08:31 AM   #103 
  - And yet, the solution is so simple...  The_Commonist   Aug-06-07 08:37 AM   #105 
  - I'm pretty sure you're on the right track, but I don't believe the solution is simple  Time for change   Aug-06-07 12:12 PM   #130 
  - The same powerful forces are at work here making us all "obey and consume."  BlueEyedSon   Aug-06-07 12:32 PM   #134 
  - I strongly agree with this post...  AntiFascist   Aug-06-07 03:36 PM   #145 
  - Mark Knopfler got it regarding this...  B3Nut   Aug-06-07 08:46 AM   #106 
  - So did Frank Zappa  BlueEyedSon   Aug-06-07 12:25 PM   #133 
     - Ayup.  B3Nut   Aug-07-07 10:01 AM   #166 
  - Is it too simple to just say 'People of the Lie'?  flashl   Aug-06-07 09:00 AM   #107 
  - Excellent post flashl, welcome to DU! nt  glitch   Aug-06-07 11:48 AM   #127 
  - Thanks. n/t  flashl   Aug-06-07 09:12 PM   #157 
  - I read that book several years ago -- To me it was one of the most interesting books I've ever read  Time for change   Aug-06-07 12:14 PM   #131 
     - I believe you are right  flashl   Aug-06-07 09:10 PM   #156 
  - ANOTHER probable assassination: ATHAN GIBBS - got in the way of US election fraud:  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-06-07 09:16 AM   #108 
  - I hadn't heard of that one  Time for change   Aug-06-07 12:17 PM   #132 
     - Athan Gibbs died at a most "opportune" time (for election fraud), driving on an isolated  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-06-07 01:13 PM   #138 
        - GREAT compilation NWH!  BeHereNow   Aug-06-07 03:23 PM   #144 
        - Wow, thanks!  Time for change   Aug-06-07 08:08 PM   #152 
  - Most of us live in an illusory America that doesn't really exist. nt  wiggs   Aug-06-07 11:04 AM   #120 
  - Thanks for this post.  rhiannon55   Aug-06-07 11:35 AM   #125 
  - Great post!  Cleita   Aug-06-07 11:37 AM   #126 
  - Thank you -- Interesting concept -- a third, covert party  Time for change   Aug-06-07 12:02 PM   #128 
     - My Senator, Dianne Feinstein, although she was brilliant  Cleita   Aug-06-07 12:41 PM   #136 
  - Fantastic Post!  Old and In the Way   Aug-06-07 01:05 PM   #137 
  - I know how much you like long replies so heres mine  Larry Ogg   Aug-06-07 02:14 PM   #141 
  - Thank you for your thoughts Larry  Time for change   Aug-06-07 08:35 PM   #153 
     - Clinton was a "radical"  Raksha   Aug-07-07 03:10 AM   #164 
  - Tremendous! Wish I could K&R it. MUST read! n/t  snappyturtle   Aug-06-07 03:22 PM   #143 
  - I sincerely believe Clinton's most radical act  Uncle Joe   Aug-06-07 03:56 PM   #147 
  - Now that's a damn fine post.  reprehensor   Aug-06-07 08:58 PM   #155 
  - Does this mean that both parties are complicit then?  Alexia Wheaton   Aug-06-07 09:40 PM   #158 
     - Good question -- I wish I knew  Time for change   Aug-06-07 10:56 PM   #160 
 

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