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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:49 PM
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34. Yeah, I would agree with all that. Sorry, I've just seen a few too many threads that seemed designed
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 05:50 PM by impeachdubya
for folks to grind axes against anyone who dares self-identify with the "l" word. Upthread someone makes the point that they hate "libertarians" MORE than conservatives. Given that the GOP has adopted pretty much every tenet of the big-L Libertarian Party's economic agenda except cutting military spending, and combined it with a crazy, 6000 year-old-flat-Earth Theocratic agenda, I have to wonder - how can that be? Libertarians are worse?

Paul is a Republican, first and foremost. Like I said, he thinks government should force women to remain pregnant against their will. He doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. That's a funny brand of any kind of "libertarianism", if you ask me.

As for the word itself, like you say, it covers a broad spectrum. I do think there is a libertarian wing of the GOP that is genuinely alienated by the God goons who have taken it over. Perhaps the thing for our party to do is figure out issues where we could appeal to them (ending the drug war, guaranteeing the right of people to control their own bodies, equal rights for gays, a broad stand for civil liberties, against censorship, etc.) as well as articulating a cogent argument for things like Single Payer and liveable min. wage, not just from a social justice perspective but also from a logical economic one... (in the process, by standing up strong for those things, we would bring Greens and Naderites on board)

...anyway, that's just my thinking. Sorry. Didn't mean to overreact to your OP. I've just seen a bunch of these threads that turned into excuses for people to grouse about the "l" (small l) word.
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  -On libertarianism and Ron Paul lwcon  Jul-26-07 02:08 PM   #0 
  - K&R! n/t  cynatnite   Jul-26-07 02:10 PM   #1 
  - I view a libertarian as a liberal without the social justice agenda.  liberaldemocrat7   Jul-29-07 06:09 PM   #72 
  - Ron Paul is a case study in the dangers of one-issue voting.  Beelzebud   Jul-26-07 02:13 PM   #2 
  - You said it. nt  Bluebear   Jul-26-07 02:14 PM   #4 
  - Well said  vpilot   Jul-26-07 05:53 PM   #35 
  - best definition I've heard  SCantiGOP   Jul-26-07 02:14 PM   #3 
  - That doesn't come close to quantifying Libertarianism  Chulanowa   Jul-26-07 04:17 PM   #19 
     - Sorry! left-libertarian here. I'll stick with my cutesy, deluded, internet-poll influenced label,  impeachdubya   Jul-26-07 04:44 PM   #22 
        - me too  GTRMAN   Jul-26-07 05:16 PM   #28 
        - You go right ahead, I can't stop you ;)  Chulanowa   Jul-26-07 10:08 PM   #47 
           - Most people on the "far" left can be divided into three general categories.  Selatius   Jul-26-07 10:32 PM   #50 
           - You're very good at putting words into my mouth, as well as telling me what I think.  impeachdubya   Jul-26-07 11:00 PM   #51 
              - From one left-Libertarian to another:  distantearlywarning   Jul-27-07 07:38 AM   #53 
              - I was unaware that I was putting words into your mouth  Chulanowa   Jul-27-07 02:49 PM   #55 
                 - Perhaps your problem is that you are historically illiterate on the origin of the word libertarian  toddaa   Jul-27-07 03:12 PM   #56 
                 - Absolutly not.  Chulanowa   Jul-27-07 03:36 PM   #57 
                    - So when someone says that they are a left libertarian  toddaa   Jul-27-07 03:58 PM   #58 
                       - No, but they puzzle me  Chulanowa   Jul-27-07 04:28 PM   #59 
                          - Well, work on it some more. Start with the realization that libertarianism the philosophy and the  impeachdubya   Jul-27-07 06:05 PM   #61 
                          - What can be so puzzling about wanting to increase personal liberty?  toddaa   Jul-27-07 06:34 PM   #62 
                             - As soon as someone reverently mentions Ayn Rand, I bug the fuck OUTTA there.  impeachdubya   Jul-27-07 06:43 PM   #63 
                 - The difference between industry regulation and "saving people from themselves":  impeachdubya   Jul-27-07 06:04 PM   #60 
                    - Words of wisdom if I ever saw any.  beevul   Jul-27-07 08:30 PM   #64 
                    - You're not terribly good at this, are you?  Chulanowa   Jul-27-07 09:33 PM   #65 
                    - Uh, I don't think *I'm* the one who isn't good at this. Your arguments, if you can call 'em that  impeachdubya   Jul-27-07 11:13 PM   #66 
                    - Oh look! Pikcherz!  Chulanowa   Jul-28-07 07:24 AM   #68 
                       - Actually, the intent wasn't to call you an uneducated dumbfuck. Really.  impeachdubya   Jul-28-07 03:37 PM   #70 
                          - The comparison was...  Chulanowa   Jul-29-07 05:43 PM   #71 
                    - Then objectivists have really messed with your head  toddaa   Jul-28-07 12:31 AM   #67 
                       - Erm, I think perhaps you missed the gist of the second point.  Chulanowa   Jul-28-07 07:30 AM   #69 
                    - Left libertarian looks like liberal or progressive to me.  liberaldemocrat7   Jul-29-07 07:56 PM   #73 
  - isn't ron paul a "bircher"  datasuspect   Jul-26-07 02:15 PM   #5 
  - You could not have said it better!!!  lies and propaganda   Jul-26-07 02:21 PM   #6 
  - Most Polluted County in America?  IamyourTVandIownyou   Jul-26-07 02:25 PM   #8 
  - I dont belive that link, sorry.  lies and propaganda   Jul-26-07 02:31 PM   #10 
  - Going through that list its like Texas isnt a big ole polluted mess.  lies and propaganda   Jul-26-07 02:35 PM   #11 
  - There is a ready market for...  lwcon   Jul-26-07 02:51 PM   #12 
  - If one is serious about examining Libertarian views  pocoloco   Jul-26-07 02:22 PM   #7 
  - Libertarian is an impressionistic term like emo  libnnc   Jul-26-07 02:26 PM   #9 
  - I've often defined the 'true' Libertarians as "Anarchists With Money"  unpossibles   Jul-26-07 02:52 PM   #13 
  - Absolutely none.  Chulanowa   Jul-26-07 04:25 PM   #20 
  - Libertarianism, especially on the economic front,  AX10   Jul-26-07 02:54 PM   #14 
  - The entire point of this thread is to deliberately conflate social libertarianism with the big-L  impeachdubya   Jul-26-07 04:53 PM   #23 
  - we are sliding into to WWIII to save the system  CGowen   Jul-26-07 03:23 PM   #15 
  - Leftists have long taken similar anti-imperial stands.  KaptBunnyPants   Jul-26-07 03:47 PM   #16 
     - I don't think real candidates like Paul, Kucinich or Gravel have a great chance of being elected  CGowen   Jul-26-07 03:59 PM   #17 
        - Hillary vs Giuliani, ugh...  KaptBunnyPants   Jul-26-07 04:01 PM   #18 
  - Ron Paul is an anti-choice, anti-separation of church & state asshole. Kindly  impeachdubya   Jul-26-07 04:38 PM   #21 
  - If you want to pretend away...  lwcon   Jul-26-07 04:54 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, I would agree with all that. Sorry, I've just seen a few too many threads that seemed designed  impeachdubya   Jul-26-07 05:49 PM   #34 
     - Thank you  lwcon   Jul-26-07 08:21 PM   #45 
        - Yeah, they're spending money like it's going out of style.  impeachdubya   Jul-26-07 10:15 PM   #48 
  - I like to divide social issues from economic issues  hfojvt   Jul-26-07 05:20 PM   #29 
  - You and I are of like minds, and I agree with your post  Zodiak Ironfist   Jul-26-07 05:37 PM   #31 
  - Thanks. I actually knew that, but was typing fast. Honest.  impeachdubya   Jul-26-07 08:04 PM   #43 
  - Yup.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-26-07 08:19 PM   #44 
  - I think the real appeal of Paul is his no-BS approach  dorkulon   Jul-26-07 04:56 PM   #25 
  - The old "says what he means, means what he says, " eh?  lwcon   Jul-26-07 05:01 PM   #26 
  - I'm not voting for the guy, but it is refreshing.  dorkulon   Jul-26-07 05:07 PM   #27 
  - he talks sense? he thinks? please a beverage alert  pitohui   Jul-26-07 05:38 PM   #32 
     - This is what I mean.  dorkulon   Jul-26-07 06:01 PM   #37 
        - Bingo. Bush provoked the 9-11 attacks. Bush stood ready to invade Afghanistan before 9-11.  liberaldemocrat7   Jul-29-07 08:27 PM   #74 
  - it "can" mean a lot of things, in practice it means "i don't want a referee in the game"  pitohui   Jul-26-07 05:37 PM   #30 
  - Ron Paul is scary  proud2Blib   Jul-26-07 05:40 PM   #33 
  - libertarians are often adept at identifing and analyzing problems . . .  OneBlueSky   Jul-26-07 05:58 PM   #36 
  - Libertarians currently have more common interest with the left than the right . . . . . . . . . . .  charles t   Jul-26-07 06:15 PM   #38 
  - I liked Ron Paul, until I found out about his ideas about privatizing *everything*, but  DutchLiberal   Jul-26-07 06:37 PM   #39 
  - It'd be easy to keep Paul from stealing Dem votes...  Truth2Tell   Jul-26-07 06:49 PM   #40 
  - he won't steal dem votes, he'll steal stupid peoples' aka GOP votes  pitohui   Jul-26-07 06:53 PM   #41 
     - Why do you deliberately ignore my point?  Truth2Tell   Jul-26-07 07:46 PM   #42 
     - do you need me to spell it out? your point is silly  pitohui   Jul-26-07 08:23 PM   #46 
     - One lesson we've learned from the last two presidential elections...  lwcon   Jul-27-07 07:06 AM   #52 
  - Where is this high school where "the cool kids read Ayn Rand"???  mitchum   Jul-26-07 10:31 PM   #49 
     - rofl  AX10   Jul-27-07 01:42 PM   #54 

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