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| 49. yes yes and yes...but this asshole is making me miss Nixon!! |
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the difference was the dems were strong then..strong in character i believe...
of course i was in my 20's and things look different to you when you are in your 20's than in your 50's...
but it was a very frightening time as well...i was so involved in protesting the war..so i just had hate for him sooo bad...
he was also a baffon..but a dark character..i think it was easier to dislike him because he was such a dark mooded man.
but yes he was "watching " the protestors , infiltrating our groups..it was a very big brother time ..looking over your shoulder.
but we ( the youth) was very vocal..we were very active protesting ..daily it seems now ..i look back and think i was in Washington protesting more than i was in class ( college) ...
as an adult i went back to finish my degree ( i needed 1 semester to get my BS) and i was sitting with a dean of a mid west univ..and he looked at my grades..and i shrugged and said..i majored in protest ..my fist 3 years!!
if we weren't off somewhere protesting we were doing sit in's on our own campus.
of course during my college yrs ..the draft began..many friends were heading for Canada..
the draft really activated people who were sitting on the sidelines ignoring the war..
that is why many of us "oldtimers" say..if * instituted the draft this war would be over tommorrow!!
But the Watergate hearings were a very unsettling , frightening time..
butour folks had all gone through the depression and WWII..and they were very patriotic ..so they went along with Vietnam..for a long time..until Watergate..then they got mad..
but in those days i remember families sitting around the kitchen table talking about it all..people talked..your aunts and uncles..they discussed alot of what was going on..
that is what i do not see today..and that is these assholes success..they divided us so much that people do not discuss or argue within families about all this..everyone goes to their own corners..and no one discusses the crimes of this administration..people are afraid to get into any real serious conversations.. ok it is changing a bit now..but still not much among friends and family..there is a polite under the table agreement to not discuss among ourselves.
and this is wrong.. i took a stand 3 years ago to get into people's faces..and yes even today when i walk into a room of friends..people roll their eyes ( as if i can't see them!!ha!) ..but i don't care..i have lost many friends..and family..but tough shit..i feel anyone who supports this crap i don't want around me.
I have not talked to my only sister since 2001..shortly after 9/11 when i said the offical story was bullshit lies.
my sis was a bu$hbot..sheeple..and she was ripe for this type of propaganda and talking points and this perversion.
i guess i digressed..
but yes it was a frightening time..and we were a divided country then as well about the war...
my dad almost disowned me..because i protested so much..but i had a boyfriend who went to Nam as a Pilot..and when he came home and told stories i became more adamant about stopping the war..so did he..
and my brothers were drafted..both went to nam...and when they came home and were so changed and told my dad what was going on..only then did my dad understand how wrong the war was.
but my dad never apologized to me until he was dying..the day before he died..he said..you know..you were right and i was wrong about Vietnam..and he said it with tears in his eyes. He said..those bastards were evil that did this to this country.
and he asked me to forgive him for being so wrong.
but that was after seeing for years how vietnam had hurt my brothers emotionally.
yes those were frightening times..black panthers were blowing up buildings in Philly and there was a real sense of unrest everywhere.
the thing today that pisses me off so much..it was those who never fought ..who were never drafted and never saw the front lines of anything..that have supported these bastards so much!
all the people my hubby and i are around never went to nam and never ever put the uniform on and they have been the biggest cheerleaders for these pricks..
recently one friend /buisness aquaintence ..said to my husband >>i wish your wife would get off this bandwaggon of bush this or that..and my husband asked this man..when did you serve...when did you ever do a damn thing for this country other than make your millions..when..my husband ( who is non political) said..that lady has done more for this country than you ever have ..so stfu..
and this man asked my hubby what he ever did ..and my hubby said he was in the reserves and served for 8 years..and he said ..i don't say much..but that lady knows more than you ever will about what is going on...and you should only ever care so much..hubby said ..you should be thanking her for trying to save this country for your kids and grandkids..
wow my hubby was furious..he was yelling it..and he finished by saying that man owed me an apology...
yes these assholes in this white house knew thay had to divide this country...to stop the flow of discussion..now it is up to us ...to stop the divide and work together to stop these fuckers!!
when people ask me how i keep doing this every day..i say the best thing we can do is educate..educate educate..others..start talking..make people listen to you...don't yell and scream..talk...and keep educating!!
and tell them to turn faux mews off..to stop watching that propaganda!!
oh and for years i carried military registrations in my car..stacks of them i ran off the computer..so when people /friends said they supported this crap..out i would come with a registration form and say..signup or sign your kids up...that shut people up real quick..and i got to say what was going on..
maybe we all should have those forms in our cars and hand them out when people make excuses of what * has done and is doing in Iraq..and to this country..
i always say ..put the boots where your mouth is!!
fly
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| -Question for old-timers: Was Watergate anything like this? |
CatWoman |
Jul-26-07 08:46 AM |
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No |
Atman |
Jul-26-07 08:48 AM |
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And every revelation was aired as soon as it became known |
Canuckistanian |
Jul-26-07 08:50 AM |
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You had 3 channels??? I had 2, but as you said |
shraby |
Jul-26-07 08:51 AM |
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I would listen to the hearings on my car radio at lunch time |
goclark |
Jul-27-07 03:11 PM |
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Even Match Game! |
mondo joe |
Jul-26-07 08:51 AM |
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That's how the bastids sucked this 13 year old into being a polical wonk. |
blondeatlast |
Jul-26-07 08:53 AM |
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I just kept waiting for Brett Sommers to show up. |
mondo joe |
Jul-26-07 08:55 AM |
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I'd have liked to see her question Haldeman and Ehrlichmann... |
blondeatlast |
Jul-26-07 08:59 AM |
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That coulda been good! Then Nipsy Russell could have made up a |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-26-07 09:05 AM |
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There once were two tricksters |
blondeatlast |
Jul-26-07 09:34 AM |
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I can really hear him saying that :^D |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-26-07 10:07 AM |
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Oh if we're doing Nixon jokes.. |
ananda |
Jul-26-07 12:26 PM |
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Good ones! nt |
blondeatlast |
Jul-26-07 12:47 PM |
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I still have a "Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw" bumpersticker! n/t |
eridani |
Jul-26-07 10:07 PM |
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You forgot one |
eridani |
Jul-26-07 10:38 PM |
#129 |
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Ah yes!! Rice graffiti! |
Perragrande |
Jul-26-07 11:41 PM |
#138 |
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Remember the old song... |
troubleinwinter |
Jul-26-07 06:39 PM |
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That's True, he wasn't impeached |
JPettus |
Jul-26-07 11:53 PM |
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My only hope is that history repeats itself. |
ariesgem |
Jul-27-07 04:06 PM |
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What a great pic. |
troubleinwinter |
Jul-27-07 06:08 PM |
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It was mesmerizing |
wryter2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:50 PM |
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I was 9 and can remember my grandmom being glad when it |
woodsprite |
Jul-26-07 08:53 AM |
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I was born in 1966 - |
NewJeffCT |
Jul-26-07 09:05 AM |
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oh yes, at least we had the media on our side back then. |
alyce douglas |
Jul-26-07 08:54 AM |
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By "our side," I'm assuming you mean "the people." |
Atman |
Jul-26-07 08:59 AM |
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yes, the people's side. |
alyce douglas |
Jul-26-07 09:09 AM |
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Remember Daniel Schorr reading the enemies list? |
wryter2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:53 PM |
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We Had Real Investigative Reporters At That Time That Continued To..... |
global1 |
Jul-26-07 08:55 AM |
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Excellent summary. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jul-26-07 09:40 AM |
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But those investigative reporters were in the WP METRO division, not in the WH press |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Jul-26-07 10:00 AM |
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yep, just a bunch of toadies alright! |
G_j |
Jul-26-07 01:03 PM |
#94 |
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Woodward , who now writes Bush hagiography ? |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 10:43 PM |
#132 |
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and now, even Woodward, one the reporters that broke Nixon |
cmt928 |
Jul-27-07 08:08 AM |
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I recall watching the hearings on TV during Social Studies class. |
PA Democrat |
Jul-26-07 09:07 AM |
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And the "soap opera" ladies were pissed! |
MNDemNY |
Jul-26-07 12:13 PM |
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Now THAT I remember....kept interfering with my afternoon cartoons. |
DesertedRose |
Jul-26-07 12:22 PM |
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This old timer would agree with your statement. |
Hepburn |
Jul-26-07 12:57 PM |
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yeah. remember the advocates on PBS, who debated this and it |
roguevalley |
Jul-26-07 02:33 PM |
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I read "All The President's Men" some years back.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 08:51 AM |
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Intell insiders took Nixon down. Look into Sen Robt. F. Bennett's Mullan & Co. background |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 12:15 PM |
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Early pages around 32-36 re the 'Chilean investors' in the Mexican bank |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 10:46 PM |
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Nixon teetered on the brink with the firing of the special prosecutor |
Richardo |
Jul-26-07 08:51 AM |
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Not that Nixon cared much for that old rag.... |
DCKit |
Jul-26-07 09:34 AM |
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Woodward was part of intell and intell ran the operation |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 10:41 PM |
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Do you realize it was Robert Bork who did Nixon's bidding by firing the |
alfredo |
Jul-26-07 10:08 AM |
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Indeed. They went down the list at Justice and all refused to fire Cox until they got to Bork |
Richardo |
Jul-26-07 10:12 AM |
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Loyalty to the junta is all important. |
alfredo |
Jul-26-07 10:19 AM |
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No. And... |
displacedtexan |
Jul-26-07 08:52 AM |
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Link? |
onenote |
Jul-26-07 09:58 AM |
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Link? |
displacedtexan |
Jul-26-07 10:08 AM |
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I remember on the bottom right corner (I think).... |
Hepburn |
Jul-26-07 01:02 PM |
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I remember them discussing the weekly body count |
onenote |
Jul-26-07 01:20 PM |
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Life Magazine one week's war dead pics Memorial Day 1969 issue |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 10:49 PM |
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I was a very small child, but I remember the scroll of those killed that day in Vietnam* |
UnyieldingHierophant |
Jul-26-07 02:19 PM |
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Way back then, we had journalists |
C_U_L8R |
Jul-26-07 08:52 AM |
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This observation cannot be stressed enough... |
KansDem |
Jul-26-07 09:01 AM |
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Watergate inspired the RW "insurgency" |
NewJeffCT |
Jul-26-07 09:09 AM |
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We are eating the fruits of those labors right now and it sucks |
harun |
Jul-26-07 10:20 AM |
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Don't forget the Knights of Malta and other autocratic groups... |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 10:52 PM |
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Bingo |
malaise |
Jul-26-07 09:15 AM |
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It's all about the bottom line. |
Dulcinea |
Jul-26-07 12:01 PM |
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you still do, they just have a harder time being heard. |
TheBaldyMan |
Jul-26-07 09:36 AM |
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I'm not much older than you, but I as a political science major |
groovedaddy |
Jul-26-07 08:53 AM |
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Yes and No. |
Tesha |
Jul-26-07 08:53 AM |
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No |
vpilot |
Jul-26-07 08:58 AM |
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After a while. Nixon needed to rise to the level of being "an embarrasment" first. |
Tesha |
Jul-26-07 09:18 AM |
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Yes And No |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-26-07 08:55 AM |
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You hit the key difference on the nose. |
Buck Rabbit |
Jul-26-07 03:04 PM |
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The Times were different in another way as well |
JPettus |
Jul-27-07 12:27 AM |
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Nixon was not a good person however |
sallyseven |
Jul-26-07 08:56 AM |
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my daughter called me last night |
CatWoman |
Jul-26-07 09:04 AM |
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I bet * gets drunk and talks to Bill Clinton's portrait. |
roamer65 |
Jul-26-07 11:47 PM |
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Lost it? |
JPettus |
Jul-27-07 12:31 AM |
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Nixon wasn't willing to bring the country down with him. |
jtrockville |
Jul-26-07 08:57 AM |
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Do you think there is any chance the media will stop |
woodsprite |
Jul-26-07 08:58 AM |
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No |
azurnoir |
Jul-26-07 09:00 AM |
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No. There were actual Democrats in Congress then. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-26-07 09:00 AM |
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No. There were actual Democrats in Congress then. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-26-07 09:00 AM |
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There were actual Republicans in Congress then as well. |
Major Hogwash |
Jul-26-07 02:16 PM |
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It was more PORTENTIOUS, I think--the hearings on Tee VEE |
MADem |
Jul-26-07 09:01 AM |
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I was working swing shift when the announcement came that he would resign. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-26-07 09:01 AM |
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oh yea, it was a time of celebration when Nixon stepped down. |
alyce douglas |
Jul-26-07 09:53 AM |
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My mom had every kid on the block over for cake and ice cream |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:27 AM |
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When news came of Niixon's resignation... |
sheeptramp |
Jul-26-07 12:28 PM |
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firing the special prosecutor Fox caused a few raised eyebrows |
TheBaldyMan |
Jul-26-07 09:01 AM |
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waddya mean by old-timers? nixon was a prick of the highest order |
spanone |
Jul-26-07 09:05 AM |
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Um, Cheney WAS behind Nixon. |
cryingshame |
Jul-26-07 10:27 AM |
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you're right, not in quite the same capacity as spiro agnew though..... |
spanone |
Jul-26-07 02:19 PM |
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ya, this is what happens when you don't put out a fire entirely. Embers eventually |
cryingshame |
Jul-26-07 03:43 PM |
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Oh, how I wish ALL DUers could grasp the truth of which you speak! |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 04:10 PM |
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No. Shrub makes Nixon look like Mr. Rogers. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jul-26-07 09:07 AM |
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Nixon was a choirboy |
Turbineguy |
Jul-26-07 09:12 AM |
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Yes and no. |
H2O Man |
Jul-26-07 09:12 AM |
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Yes -- "smug and cruel." Exactly. A simple-minded monster. n/t |
quiet.american |
Jul-26-07 12:19 PM |
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I don't remember Nixon being this blatantly stupid |
supernova |
Jul-26-07 09:14 AM |
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Definitely not as stupid as * ...but then |
Desertrose |
Jul-26-07 10:04 AM |
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The attitude of the Bush administration is identical to the Nixxon administration |
Gman |
Jul-26-07 09:15 AM |
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that is cheney's vendetta. |
alyce douglas |
Jul-26-07 09:56 AM |
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I was 30 years old. 4 key players, IMHO. |
trof |
Jul-26-07 09:20 AM |
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Please see post #132. Woodward hasn't changed a bit |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 10:55 PM |
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Trof |
CatWoman |
Jul-27-07 03:24 PM |
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Well darn, you're younger than me Cat |
George Oilwellian |
Jul-26-07 09:31 AM |
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I'm tired of my sister calling me an old bat |
CatWoman |
Jul-27-07 03:25 PM |
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Major difference: The investigation was front and center in the media |
BurtWorm |
Jul-26-07 09:35 AM |
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yes yes and yes...but this asshole is making me miss Nixon!! |
flyarm |
Jul-26-07 09:38 AM |
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Do you really want to know why today's youth aren't protesting? |
YOY |
Jul-26-07 12:22 PM |
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I WANT TO SEE IT BUT IT IS NOT PLAYING ANYWHERE NEAR ME..NO WHERE!! |
flyarm |
Jul-26-07 12:58 PM |
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The chains are set in place and he is in his cage...perhaps he won't realize until later |
YOY |
Jul-26-07 01:08 PM |
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perhaps you can download it, or get some to download it for you |
TheBaldyMan |
Jul-26-07 08:55 PM |
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We may very well have to lose the country before they are able to "get it" |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 04:15 PM |
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Yes and no... |
TygrBright |
Jul-26-07 09:40 AM |
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The disdain and contempt - quite similar. |
TacticalPeek |
Jul-26-07 09:44 AM |
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Yeah, we need to include John Mitchell. He was the AG and he |
King Coal |
Jul-26-07 09:55 AM |
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Interesting Helen Thomas piece on Martha Mitchell |
Mme. Defarge |
Jul-26-07 02:17 PM |
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Cat, I was a little older than you, but I remember a chef I was |
King Coal |
Jul-26-07 09:45 AM |
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Yes and no. The "no" part = the media weren't quite the lap-dogs, there were no RW shows, |
WinkyDink |
Jul-26-07 09:47 AM |
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No-way! Nixon didn't have the media control * has, Nixon wasn't able |
Imagevision |
Jul-26-07 09:59 AM |
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No. The sheer volume of what we are facing now is much worse |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 09:59 AM |
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yes and no |
onenote |
Jul-26-07 10:04 AM |
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No.. W makes Tricky Dick look like an altar boy |
nini |
Jul-26-07 10:05 AM |
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That cannot be emphasized enough. Smirk wouldn't qualify to shine Tricky Dick's shoes. |
TahitiNut |
Jul-26-07 10:12 AM |
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YES, and this is a replay of many of the same events.... |
Blackhatjack |
Jul-26-07 10:15 AM |
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The taping system brought him down. |
Perragrande |
Jul-26-07 11:59 PM |
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Yes, In Spades. Watergate was about domestic ops, martial law, and unconstitutional exec behavior |
EVDebs |
Jul-26-07 12:13 PM |
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Yes. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-26-07 12:15 PM |
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No |
kaygore |
Jul-26-07 12:22 PM |
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What's missing is the Republican side of this I think. |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 12:28 PM |
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NO. And, YES, in 1972 we had criminals running the RNC and the WH. |
L. Coyote |
Jul-26-07 12:32 PM |
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I so remember. |
ananda |
Jul-26-07 12:35 PM |
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More names: Liz Holtzman, Peter Rodino |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-26-07 01:39 PM |
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The Judiciary should make Liz Holtzman their impeachment counsel. |
IMModerate |
Jul-26-07 05:16 PM |
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Well, she did just write a book... |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-26-07 06:39 PM |
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Yeah, I was living in NY then. And happy to vote for Liz. |
IMModerate |
Jul-27-07 05:28 AM |
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The difference is that the press actually did their job, and did it |
spenbax |
Jul-26-07 12:51 PM |
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For starters, there was an opposition party ... |
Iverson |
Jul-26-07 12:55 PM |
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yes, I was in law school at the time, it is just like this |
Hamlette |
Jul-26-07 12:55 PM |
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You remember it just as I do... I would add Nixon's arrogance brought him down |
Blackhatjack |
Jul-26-07 01:43 PM |
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hubris is very dangerous, unfortunately Bush doesn't have tapes and so far no John Dean |
Hamlette |
Jul-26-07 03:16 PM |
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That's what I remember |
sandnsea |
Jul-26-07 01:50 PM |
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No. Congress wasn't as ideological back then. |
kskiska |
Jul-26-07 01:04 PM |
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I don't think so, |
dmr |
Jul-26-07 01:23 PM |
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a similarity ;THEY DIDNT HAVE THE VOTES TO IMPEACH EITHER! |
sheeptramp |
Jul-26-07 01:32 PM |
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Nixon was arrogant |
wryter2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:49 PM |
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Cat, There Was A Different Dynamic |
KharmaTrain |
Jul-26-07 01:52 PM |
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I guess I really didn't "know" Nixon |
CatWoman |
Jul-27-07 03:31 PM |
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The arrogance of the President and Republicans then was just as great as the Bush Adminstration |
Blackhatjack |
Jul-26-07 02:21 PM |
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The MSM wasn't owned and pimped by |
Jack Sprat |
Jul-26-07 06:43 PM |
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Can you imagine where we would be today |
sgcase |
Jul-26-07 07:13 PM |
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I remember it all... |
troubleinwinter |
Jul-26-07 06:45 PM |
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It was very much like this, with one important fact - |
NancyBreen |
Jul-26-07 07:01 PM |
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Media was different, government was different |
AngryOldDem |
Jul-26-07 07:06 PM |
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If someone had told me in 1973 that 30 years later I'd be avidly looking out for-- |
eridani |
Jul-26-07 10:10 PM |
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Similarities are, Nixon could NEVER allow the 18 minutes content of the erased tape to |
Imagevision |
Jul-26-07 10:24 PM |
#127 |
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NO. Repukes were semi-normal in those days. People like John Dean existed, thank G-D! Now? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Jul-26-07 10:29 PM |
#128 |
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We did not have the INFORMATION then. |
Bennyboy |
Jul-26-07 10:38 PM |
#130 |
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Yes. Nixon was an old school thug, though. These guys are much |
pinto |
Jul-26-07 11:05 PM |
#137 |
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Read Hitchens' book, "The Trial of... |
roamer65 |
Jul-26-07 11:58 PM |
#141 |
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Not even close....Bush is THE WORST in all of Americas History |
opihimoimoi |
Jul-27-07 01:17 AM |
#145 |
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Since most of you have said everything |
murielm99 |
Jul-27-07 08:00 AM |
#147 |
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What I remember is a long quiet time between the break-in and the investigations. |
hedgehog |
Jul-27-07 03:18 PM |
#150 |