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Response to Reply #84
110. The Clinton impeachment was primarily a failure
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 02:59 PM by mmonk
because he was impeached for a non impeachable offense. Lying about a blowjob isn't what scholars call an impeachable offense but he was impeached anyway. Impeachable offenses are political crimes, not perjury over a personal matter.
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  -How Soon We Forget- The Leadership of John Conyers BullGooseLoony  Jul-26-07 01:17 AM   #0 
  - So glad to recommend.  mzmolly   Jul-26-07 01:20 AM   #1 
  - I second that n/t  cynatnite   Jul-26-07 01:22 AM   #2 
  - Always glad to see ya, Mz.  BullGooseLoony   Jul-26-07 01:22 AM   #4 
     - Backatcha bub.  mzmolly   Jul-26-07 01:12 PM   #69 
  - No. John Conyers has suggested that he would start impeachment  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:22 AM   #3 
  - I'll say it again: He wants justice as much as anyone here,  BullGooseLoony   Jul-26-07 01:26 AM   #5 
  - No. I hold people responsible for their behavior -- at a minimum.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:30 AM   #6 
     - That attitude will hurt all of us.  madfloridian   Jul-26-07 01:33 AM   #9 
        - Intractable? Try, principled.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:34 AM   #11 
        - No, Cindy's group passed principled and is heading towad extreme.  madfloridian   Jul-26-07 01:40 AM   #16 
        - They don't care  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 07:34 AM   #34 
        - I'm not speaking for anyone else. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:15 AM   #44 
        - In the first place, that meeting was not "Cindy's group"  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:52 PM   #151 
        - I'm not seeing the principle.  BullGooseLoony   Jul-26-07 01:42 AM   #17 
        - It's not unreasonable to expect people to either keep their word  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:14 AM   #42 
        - You have no problem with him being bashed and called a traitor?  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 07:31 AM   #33 
        - But I didn't say that. And I do have a big problem with  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:14 AM   #41 
           - I'm not saying he is perfect but he does not deserve the bashing this week on this board  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 10:19 AM   #45 
              - That kind of stuff hasn't helped the situation at all, has it? n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:24 AM   #46 
                 - No it hasn't n/t  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 10:36 AM   #47 
                    - And yet, it's still happening on this thread and some of it has  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:44 AM   #49 
                       - I think much of it is bashing overload  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 10:53 AM   #50 
                          - It's been flying fast in both directions and that's too bad.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 11:08 AM   #51 
        - Did your attitude go bad again?  bobbolink   Jul-26-07 09:43 PM   #140 
           - I'm fresh out of sweetener!  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:54 PM   #152 
        - "Want it all right now"  puebloknot   Jul-26-07 02:33 AM   #19 
        - How about when it will work?  EstimatedProphet   Jul-26-07 01:33 PM   #75 
        - But that's not what Conyers told these people. He told them  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:50 PM   #150 
           - When in the hell are you going to learn....  bobbolink   Jul-27-07 10:28 AM   #176 
              - See any dragons?  sfexpat2000   Jul-27-07 10:41 AM   #181 
                 - Greetings, St. George!  bobbolink   Jul-27-07 10:44 AM   #182 
        - Aw, cumon, puebloknot.... your impatience is soooo very unseemly....  bobbolink   Jul-27-07 10:26 AM   #175 
        - an off-topic p.s.  bobbolink   Jul-27-07 10:55 AM   #183 
        - I call it the Veruca Salt effect  LittleClarkie   Jul-26-07 02:52 AM   #25 
           - Calling the Oompah-Loompas!  Behind the Aegis   Jul-26-07 02:57 AM   #26 
  - Sometimes pushing good people too hard negates your cause.  madfloridian   Jul-26-07 01:32 AM   #7 
  - Sometimes holding people accountable is a mistake?  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:33 AM   #8 
     - Bullshit. Go ahead and make me the bad guy. You hurt your cuase.  madfloridian   Jul-26-07 01:34 AM   #12 
     - My pleasure.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:35 AM   #14 
     - Okay, poof!  bobbolink   Jul-27-07 10:30 AM   #177 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-07 02:37 AM   #21 
        - I am a woman.  madfloridian   Jul-26-07 09:51 AM   #40 
        - I am sorry you think I am "a joke".  madfloridian   Jul-26-07 01:25 PM   #73 
     - Holding freaking JOHN CONYERS "accountable?"  BullGooseLoony   Jul-26-07 01:35 AM   #13 
     - John Conyers is not accountable for what he says?  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:37 AM   #15 
     - Food for thought Sfexpat  mzmolly   Jul-26-07 12:01 PM   #57 
     - My hope is that everyone will heal up from this family fight  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:27 PM   #74 
        - I hope so too sfexpat.  mzmolly   Jul-26-07 01:41 PM   #80 
     - I saw what he said..  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:02 PM   #131 
     - I don't believe anyone has intentionally set out to tell lies  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:08 PM   #142 
     - So, that was *you*....  bobbolink   Jul-27-07 10:32 AM   #178 
     - What are 'OUR" goals?  Breeze54   Jul-26-07 02:38 AM   #23 
     - They do not care  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 07:38 AM   #35 
        - This isn't about Cindy. Many events have been about Cindy  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:55 PM   #87 
           - There may have been a few of you having a discussion  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 02:28 PM   #91 
           - I didn't notice the new posters, Marrah, but I can be dense sometimes.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:32 PM   #92 
              - At least two of them wrote nasty hit pieces.  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 02:39 PM   #96 
                 - Three of them wrote pieces, to my knowledge -- Ray, David  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:41 PM   #98 
                    - You give me hope though  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 02:44 PM   #101 
                       - It's always more painful and upsetting when people who care  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:47 PM   #103 
                          - yup  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 02:48 PM   #105 
           - Except there is no betrayal..  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:04 PM   #132 
              - John Conyers didn't tell those people "We're working on."  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:11 PM   #143 
     - No, that's not what she said...n/t  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:00 PM   #130 
  - When did he say that?  seasonedblue   Jul-26-07 02:50 AM   #24 
  - There were two times that I know of -- and you understand,  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:43 AM   #48 
     - He did not give a deadline.  mzmolly   Jul-26-07 12:14 PM   #59 
     - No, he didn't a deadline that I know of, that's right.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:06 PM   #68 
     - From everything that I've read, Conyers always tempered  seasonedblue   Jul-26-07 12:36 PM   #63 
        - I don't believe that I represented that he signed a blood oath.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:04 PM   #67 
  - "suggested"  WilliamPitt   Jul-26-07 04:21 AM   #29 
     - There's something weird going on here because  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 11:47 AM   #53 
        - And Cindy Sheehan, whose cause I respect,sounds more like the same administration  MichiganVote   Jul-26-07 12:00 PM   #56 
        - This isn't about Cindy Sheehan and attacking her misses the  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 12:05 PM   #58 
           - Yup. Been hearing that kind of 'larger picture' stuff for the last six years too.  MichiganVote   Jul-26-07 12:53 PM   #64 
              - Do you know who was at that meeting, Michigan? n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:02 PM   #66 
                 - Has it been reported on? Press release? Statements by participants?  MichiganVote   Jul-26-07 06:55 PM   #128 
                    - Yep. It was not Cindy's event. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:21 PM   #147 
        - So rather then haviong any faith in a very good man they chose to trash the hell out of him  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 12:26 PM   #60 
        - But that's exactly my point. Those people were so upset  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 12:31 PM   #62 
        - Could it be, perhaps..  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:05 PM   #133 
           - I in no way believe the problem is John Conyers. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:56 PM   #153 
  - Spoke with Slaughter's office today.  Dr_eldritch   Jul-26-07 01:33 AM   #10 
  - And I hear the MPAA and the RIAA rate him quite high as well, Yay Team!! nt  ToeBot   Jul-26-07 02:04 AM   #18 
  - Maybe he forgot ..... 'US'?  Breeze54   Jul-26-07 02:35 AM   #20 
  - Great post!  Behind the Aegis   Jul-26-07 02:38 AM   #22 
  - I am still proud to call him my representitive  Az   Jul-26-07 03:03 AM   #27 
  - He's not my rep -- Levin is  SharonRB   Jul-27-07 06:37 PM   #193 
  - Happy to K & R! Well-said. Thank you! n/t  Joolz   Jul-26-07 04:20 AM   #28 
  - Gone but not forgotten ...  Everybody   Jul-26-07 06:40 AM   #30 
  - In total agreement  ellacott   Jul-26-07 07:19 AM   #31 
  - I support the leg work for impeachable offenses he has done.  mmonk   Jul-26-07 07:27 AM   #32 
  - seems simple enough...  Psyop Samurai   Jul-26-07 02:04 PM   #89 
     - You're welcome.  mmonk   Jul-26-07 03:05 PM   #112 
  - He needs to do his fucking job  proud2Blib   Jul-26-07 07:38 AM   #36 
  - We appreciate J. Conyers in Michigan and we're not likely to vote him out  MichiganVote   Jul-26-07 11:54 AM   #54 
  - Conyer's "What went wrong in Ohio" is the 21st century version of "Common Sense"  Fly by night   Jul-26-07 08:18 AM   #37 
  - Conyers took some very unpopular, but principled stands on issues in Michigan  noonwitch   Jul-26-07 08:57 AM   #38 
  - Unfortunatly those principled stands are not even looked at by the criticizing crew  MichiganVote   Jul-26-07 11:56 AM   #55 
     - This isn't about Michigan, either. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:12 PM   #70 
        - No, the incident is not about Michigan, but the man is.  MichiganVote   Jul-26-07 06:56 PM   #129 
           - He's also the chair of the House Judiciary Committee  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 09:59 PM   #141 
              - And that's what is not easy to understand. For you or for me.  MichiganVote   Jul-26-07 10:14 PM   #145 
                 - I do understand it. Nancy is my representative. She wears  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:15 PM   #146 
                    - I'm beginning to wonder if there are a couple more hats stashed somewhere.  bobbolink   Jul-27-07 11:03 AM   #184 
  - Kick!! Keep up the good work Rep. Conyers  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 09:04 AM   #39 
  - right on  bigtree   Jul-26-07 10:15 AM   #43 
  - BRAVO!!!  xultar   Jul-26-07 11:09 AM   #52 
  - How quickly some turn  NeedleCast   Jul-26-07 12:30 PM   #61 
  - You need to refer to my post earlier.  mmonk   Jul-26-07 12:58 PM   #65 
     - I will never understand your passion for this  NeedleCast   Jul-26-07 01:20 PM   #71 
        - The forrest that you're not seeing has been explained up thread.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:25 PM   #72 
        - It's an attempt to hurt the Democratic party.  madfloridian   Jul-26-07 01:33 PM   #76 
        - This isn't about the party just as it isn't about Cindy.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:36 PM   #79 
        - And I've read the explanation  NeedleCast   Jul-26-07 01:45 PM   #84 
           - As I've said ad nauseum, this isn't about Cindy.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 01:52 PM   #86 
           - Unfortunatly movements also have faces  NeedleCast   Jul-26-07 02:35 PM   #94 
              - I'm sorry if I'm not listening very well. Long week.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:56 PM   #108 
           - The Clinton impeachment was primarily a failure  mmonk   Jul-26-07 02:59 PM   #110 
              - And, according to Conyers  NeedleCast   Jul-26-07 03:17 PM   #114 
        - I don't their original intention was to bash Conyers.  mmonk   Jul-26-07 01:34 PM   #77 
        - I can't wrap my mind around the idea that anyone would think  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:03 PM   #88 
           - Here is why:  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 02:35 PM   #93 
              - You forgot one.....senile.  seasonedblue   Jul-26-07 02:37 PM   #95 
              - But those weren't hit pieces. They were the outcome of a failed meeting.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:40 PM   #97 
              - They were hit pieces  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 02:43 PM   #100 
              - Yes, they probably were intended to hurt. And they came out of  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:45 PM   #102 
                 - I hope you feel the same way about people  seasonedblue   Jul-26-07 02:50 PM   #106 
                    - I agree. It goes both ways. No doubt about that, imho. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 02:58 PM   #109 
              - Coming on the heels of calling the Democratic Party  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:12 PM   #135 
                 - I'm referring to the pieces by David, Medea and Ray, who  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:13 PM   #144 
              - I think the intention of the meeting was something different.  mmonk   Jul-26-07 02:42 PM   #99 
                 - Agree. This was an unfortunate trainwreck,  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 03:19 PM   #115 
                    - No, more like a crash course derby...n/t  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:13 PM   #136 
        - Great post. And welcome to DU!  jpgray   Jul-26-07 01:36 PM   #78 
        - In a better world, yours would be the last word on this subject.  asthmaticeog   Jul-26-07 01:41 PM   #81 
        - You spoke my mind  mzmolly   Jul-26-07 01:44 PM   #82 
        - Great post, thank you.  seasonedblue   Jul-26-07 01:44 PM   #83 
        - I might decide to start donating to DU again......  XNASA   Jul-26-07 02:50 PM   #107 
  - Thank you for the reminder...  Psyop Samurai   Jul-26-07 01:52 PM   #85 
  - I'll go on the record and say  NeedleCast   Jul-26-07 02:22 PM   #90 
     - You need to quit reducing the impeachment movement to Cindy.  mmonk   Jul-26-07 02:47 PM   #104 
     - You know you are right we shouldn't reduce it to just her  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 03:04 PM   #111 
        - No problem.  mmonk   Jul-26-07 03:21 PM   #116 
           - Actually you should be talking  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 03:31 PM   #118 
              - Thanks much but sometimes  mmonk   Jul-26-07 03:43 PM   #120 
     - Thanks for your response...  Psyop Samurai   Jul-26-07 04:34 PM   #122 
        - With all due respect it wasn't a mountain out of a molehill  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 10:38 PM   #149 
           - And, I'm no saint.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 10:59 PM   #155 
           - St, Sfexpat2000- sounds like some bizzare Catholic Prayer-Bot  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 11:27 PM   #162 
              - LOL! Pieces of my wardrobe are available  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 11:29 PM   #164 
           - I appreciate the distinction...  Psyop Samurai   Jul-27-07 03:12 PM   #191 
  - Tragically, by refusing to impeach, he is UNDOING his hard won. . .  pat_k   Jul-26-07 03:08 PM   #113 
  - Yes, that's what he did. And I'm not at all sure that was his  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 03:27 PM   #117 
  - Or perhaps he is going about things in a different manner  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 03:33 PM   #119 
  - Any excuse for delay denies the magnitude of the crisis.  pat_k   Jul-26-07 04:59 PM   #124 
     - I can tell you what I think the difference is  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 06:02 PM   #126 
     - Unlike "a Prosecutor that rushes to trail and blows it". . .  pat_k   Jul-27-07 01:59 PM   #186 
     - If Conyers, Pelosi, Leahy et. al. do not feel the time is right..  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:18 PM   #137 
        - They aren't telling us the "time isn't right"  pat_k   Jul-27-07 02:26 PM   #188 
  - The Right Thing to Do  NeedleCast   Jul-26-07 03:49 PM   #121 
     - You can't fail by acting on what your conscience dictates.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 05:23 PM   #125 
     - How do you know they aren't acting on conscience...  Virginia Dare   Jul-26-07 07:20 PM   #138 
        - I was responding to the poster's remark about the protestors. nt  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 09:31 PM   #139 
     - They accomplished at least 4 key things.  pat_k   Jul-26-07 06:28 PM   #127 
  - I Haven't Forgotten. Course, I Haven't Lost My Mind And All Sense Of Reasoning Either.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jul-26-07 04:42 PM   #123 
  - I think Conyers is great. I have no bad things to say.  illinoisprogressive   Jul-26-07 07:11 PM   #134 
  - One can admire Conyers and still criticize him. One can honor what he's done and still  kenzee13   Jul-26-07 10:26 PM   #148 
  - It wasn't criticism  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 10:57 PM   #154 
     - Cmon. Between Saint Cindy and beholden-to-reality Conyers? You know how DU will rule.  BlooInBloo   Jul-26-07 11:01 PM   #156 
        - St. Cindy? Nice. This isn't about Cindy no matter how hard people try  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 11:09 PM   #157 
           - I thought it rolled off the toungue much better than the "Saint Conyers" upthread.  BlooInBloo   Jul-26-07 11:10 PM   #158 
           - . . .  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 11:10 PM   #159 
           - I got as much right to strawman hyperbole as the next guy! yah!  BlooInBloo   Jul-26-07 11:12 PM   #160 
              - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 11:14 PM   #161 
           - Noooo I hope it was trolls  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 11:28 PM   #163 
              - I know. It's been a rough time.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-07 11:30 PM   #165 
                 - Pssst  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 11:56 PM   #168 
  - what did this 'leadership' really  waldo_evans   Jul-26-07 11:44 PM   #166 
  - And here comes another troll!  Marrah_G   Jul-26-07 11:55 PM   #167 
     - do you call people you can't  waldo_evans   Jul-27-07 12:14 AM   #169 
        - Nope, I call a troll a troll  Marrah_G   Jul-27-07 12:17 AM   #170 
           - no I will not vanish, fool  waldo_evans   Jul-27-07 12:29 AM   #172 
              - truth is  bigtree   Jul-27-07 01:06 AM   #174 
  - Kicked & Rec'd ...  NanceGreggs   Jul-27-07 12:28 AM   #171 
  - Yes, he is, Nance.  SharonRB   Jul-27-07 03:03 PM   #190 
  - I like John Conyers... A LOT... but he's wrong on impeachment.  MessiahRp   Jul-27-07 12:33 AM   #173 
  - Off with his head!  JNelson6563   Jul-27-07 10:35 AM   #179 
  - You're so right, Julie!  SharonRB   Jul-27-07 06:46 PM   #195 
  - Since this thread is probably going to keep going  mmonk   Jul-27-07 10:37 AM   #180 
  - Thanks for writing this.  SharonRB   Jul-27-07 11:08 AM   #185 
  - Or with any activist or with each other.  sfexpat2000   Jul-27-07 02:05 PM   #187 
     - Thanks, sfexpat!  SharonRB   Jul-27-07 03:03 PM   #189 
        - Thank you for your clear thinking.  sfexpat2000   Jul-27-07 03:37 PM   #192 
  - Please see the journal entry I wrote in December after hearing Conyers speak  SharonRB   Jul-27-07 06:45 PM   #194 
 

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