| 110. The Clinton impeachment was primarily a failure |
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Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 02:59 PM by mmonk
because he was impeached for a non impeachable offense. Lying about a blowjob isn't what scholars call an impeachable offense but he was impeached anyway. Impeachable offenses are political crimes, not perjury over a personal matter.
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| -How Soon We Forget- The Leadership of John Conyers |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:17 AM |
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So glad to recommend. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:20 AM |
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I second that n/t |
cynatnite |
Jul-26-07 01:22 AM |
#2 |
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Always glad to see ya, Mz. |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:22 AM |
#4 |
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Backatcha bub. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:12 PM |
#69 |
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No. John Conyers has suggested that he would start impeachment |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:22 AM |
#3 |
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I'll say it again: He wants justice as much as anyone here, |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:26 AM |
#5 |
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No. I hold people responsible for their behavior -- at a minimum. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:30 AM |
#6 |
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That attitude will hurt all of us. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:33 AM |
#9 |
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Intractable? Try, principled. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:34 AM |
#11 |
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No, Cindy's group passed principled and is heading towad extreme. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:40 AM |
#16 |
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They don't care |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 07:34 AM |
#34 |
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I'm not speaking for anyone else. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:15 AM |
#44 |
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In the first place, that meeting was not "Cindy's group" |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:52 PM |
#151 |
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I'm not seeing the principle. |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:42 AM |
#17 |
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It's not unreasonable to expect people to either keep their word |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:14 AM |
#42 |
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You have no problem with him being bashed and called a traitor? |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 07:31 AM |
#33 |
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But I didn't say that. And I do have a big problem with |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:14 AM |
#41 |
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I'm not saying he is perfect but he does not deserve the bashing this week on this board |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:19 AM |
#45 |
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That kind of stuff hasn't helped the situation at all, has it? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:24 AM |
#46 |
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No it hasn't n/t |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:36 AM |
#47 |
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And yet, it's still happening on this thread and some of it has |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:44 AM |
#49 |
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I think much of it is bashing overload |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:53 AM |
#50 |
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It's been flying fast in both directions and that's too bad. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:08 AM |
#51 |
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Did your attitude go bad again? |
bobbolink |
Jul-26-07 09:43 PM |
#140 |
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I'm fresh out of sweetener! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:54 PM |
#152 |
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"Want it all right now" |
puebloknot |
Jul-26-07 02:33 AM |
#19 |
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How about when it will work? |
EstimatedProphet |
Jul-26-07 01:33 PM |
#75 |
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But that's not what Conyers told these people. He told them |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:50 PM |
#150 |
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When in the hell are you going to learn.... |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:28 AM |
#176 |
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See any dragons? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-27-07 10:41 AM |
#181 |
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Greetings, St. George! |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:44 AM |
#182 |
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Aw, cumon, puebloknot.... your impatience is soooo very unseemly.... |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:26 AM |
#175 |
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an off-topic p.s. |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:55 AM |
#183 |
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I call it the Veruca Salt effect |
LittleClarkie |
Jul-26-07 02:52 AM |
#25 |
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Calling the Oompah-Loompas! |
Behind the Aegis |
Jul-26-07 02:57 AM |
#26 |
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Sometimes pushing good people too hard negates your cause. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:32 AM |
#7 |
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Sometimes holding people accountable is a mistake? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:33 AM |
#8 |
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Bullshit. Go ahead and make me the bad guy. You hurt your cuase. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:34 AM |
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My pleasure. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:35 AM |
#14 |
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Okay, poof! |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:30 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-07 02:37 AM |
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I am a woman. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 09:51 AM |
#40 |
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I am sorry you think I am "a joke". |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:25 PM |
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Holding freaking JOHN CONYERS "accountable?" |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:35 AM |
#13 |
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John Conyers is not accountable for what he says? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:37 AM |
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Food for thought Sfexpat |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 12:01 PM |
#57 |
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My hope is that everyone will heal up from this family fight |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:27 PM |
#74 |
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I hope so too sfexpat. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:41 PM |
#80 |
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I saw what he said.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:02 PM |
#131 |
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I don't believe anyone has intentionally set out to tell lies |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:08 PM |
#142 |
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So, that was *you*.... |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:32 AM |
#178 |
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What are 'OUR" goals? |
Breeze54 |
Jul-26-07 02:38 AM |
#23 |
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They do not care |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 07:38 AM |
#35 |
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This isn't about Cindy. Many events have been about Cindy |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:55 PM |
#87 |
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There may have been a few of you having a discussion |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:28 PM |
#91 |
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I didn't notice the new posters, Marrah, but I can be dense sometimes. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:32 PM |
#92 |
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At least two of them wrote nasty hit pieces. |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:39 PM |
#96 |
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Three of them wrote pieces, to my knowledge -- Ray, David |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:41 PM |
#98 |
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You give me hope though |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:44 PM |
#101 |
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It's always more painful and upsetting when people who care |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:47 PM |
#103 |
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yup |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:48 PM |
#105 |
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Except there is no betrayal.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:04 PM |
#132 |
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John Conyers didn't tell those people "We're working on." |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:11 PM |
#143 |
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No, that's not what she said...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:00 PM |
#130 |
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When did he say that? |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 02:50 AM |
#24 |
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There were two times that I know of -- and you understand, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:43 AM |
#48 |
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He did not give a deadline. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 12:14 PM |
#59 |
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No, he didn't a deadline that I know of, that's right. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:06 PM |
#68 |
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From everything that I've read, Conyers always tempered |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 12:36 PM |
#63 |
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I don't believe that I represented that he signed a blood oath. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:04 PM |
#67 |
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"suggested" |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-26-07 04:21 AM |
#29 |
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There's something weird going on here because |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:47 AM |
#53 |
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And Cindy Sheehan, whose cause I respect,sounds more like the same administration |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 12:00 PM |
#56 |
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This isn't about Cindy Sheehan and attacking her misses the |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 12:05 PM |
#58 |
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Yup. Been hearing that kind of 'larger picture' stuff for the last six years too. |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 12:53 PM |
#64 |
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Do you know who was at that meeting, Michigan? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:02 PM |
#66 |
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Has it been reported on? Press release? Statements by participants? |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 06:55 PM |
#128 |
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Yep. It was not Cindy's event. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:21 PM |
#147 |
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So rather then haviong any faith in a very good man they chose to trash the hell out of him |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 12:26 PM |
#60 |
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But that's exactly my point. Those people were so upset |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 12:31 PM |
#62 |
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Could it be, perhaps.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:05 PM |
#133 |
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I in no way believe the problem is John Conyers. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:56 PM |
#153 |
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Spoke with Slaughter's office today. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jul-26-07 01:33 AM |
#10 |
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And I hear the MPAA and the RIAA rate him quite high as well, Yay Team!! nt |
ToeBot |
Jul-26-07 02:04 AM |
#18 |
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Maybe he forgot ..... 'US'? |
Breeze54 |
Jul-26-07 02:35 AM |
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Great post! |
Behind the Aegis |
Jul-26-07 02:38 AM |
#22 |
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I am still proud to call him my representitive |
Az |
Jul-26-07 03:03 AM |
#27 |
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He's not my rep -- Levin is |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 06:37 PM |
#193 |
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Happy to K & R! Well-said. Thank you! n/t |
Joolz |
Jul-26-07 04:20 AM |
#28 |
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Gone but not forgotten ... |
Everybody |
Jul-26-07 06:40 AM |
#30 |
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In total agreement |
ellacott |
Jul-26-07 07:19 AM |
#31 |
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I support the leg work for impeachable offenses he has done. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 07:27 AM |
#32 |
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seems simple enough... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-26-07 02:04 PM |
#89 |
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You're welcome. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 03:05 PM |
#112 |
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He needs to do his fucking job |
proud2Blib |
Jul-26-07 07:38 AM |
#36 |
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We appreciate J. Conyers in Michigan and we're not likely to vote him out |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 11:54 AM |
#54 |
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Conyer's "What went wrong in Ohio" is the 21st century version of "Common Sense" |
Fly by night |
Jul-26-07 08:18 AM |
#37 |
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Conyers took some very unpopular, but principled stands on issues in Michigan |
noonwitch |
Jul-26-07 08:57 AM |
#38 |
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Unfortunatly those principled stands are not even looked at by the criticizing crew |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 11:56 AM |
#55 |
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This isn't about Michigan, either. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:12 PM |
#70 |
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No, the incident is not about Michigan, but the man is. |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 06:56 PM |
#129 |
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He's also the chair of the House Judiciary Committee |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 09:59 PM |
#141 |
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And that's what is not easy to understand. For you or for me. |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 10:14 PM |
#145 |
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I do understand it. Nancy is my representative. She wears |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:15 PM |
#146 |
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I'm beginning to wonder if there are a couple more hats stashed somewhere. |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 11:03 AM |
#184 |
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Kick!! Keep up the good work Rep. Conyers |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 09:04 AM |
#39 |
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right on |
bigtree |
Jul-26-07 10:15 AM |
#43 |
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BRAVO!!! |
xultar |
Jul-26-07 11:09 AM |
#52 |
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How quickly some turn |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 12:30 PM |
#61 |
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You need to refer to my post earlier. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 12:58 PM |
#65 |
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I will never understand your passion for this |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 01:20 PM |
#71 |
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The forrest that you're not seeing has been explained up thread. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:25 PM |
#72 |
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It's an attempt to hurt the Democratic party. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:33 PM |
#76 |
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This isn't about the party just as it isn't about Cindy. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:36 PM |
#79 |
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And I've read the explanation |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 01:45 PM |
#84 |
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As I've said ad nauseum, this isn't about Cindy. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:52 PM |
#86 |
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Unfortunatly movements also have faces |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 02:35 PM |
#94 |
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I'm sorry if I'm not listening very well. Long week. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:56 PM |
#108 |
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The Clinton impeachment was primarily a failure |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 02:59 PM |
#110 |
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And, according to Conyers |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 03:17 PM |
#114 |
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I don't their original intention was to bash Conyers. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 01:34 PM |
#77 |
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I can't wrap my mind around the idea that anyone would think |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:03 PM |
#88 |
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Here is why: |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:35 PM |
#93 |
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You forgot one.....senile. |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 02:37 PM |
#95 |
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But those weren't hit pieces. They were the outcome of a failed meeting. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:40 PM |
#97 |
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They were hit pieces |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:43 PM |
#100 |
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Yes, they probably were intended to hurt. And they came out of |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:45 PM |
#102 |
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I hope you feel the same way about people |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 02:50 PM |
#106 |
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I agree. It goes both ways. No doubt about that, imho. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:58 PM |
#109 |
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Coming on the heels of calling the Democratic Party |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:12 PM |
#135 |
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I'm referring to the pieces by David, Medea and Ray, who |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:13 PM |
#144 |
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I think the intention of the meeting was something different. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 02:42 PM |
#99 |
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Agree. This was an unfortunate trainwreck, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 03:19 PM |
#115 |
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No, more like a crash course derby...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:13 PM |
#136 |
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Great post. And welcome to DU! |
jpgray |
Jul-26-07 01:36 PM |
#78 |
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In a better world, yours would be the last word on this subject. |
asthmaticeog |
Jul-26-07 01:41 PM |
#81 |
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You spoke my mind |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:44 PM |
#82 |
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Great post, thank you. |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 01:44 PM |
#83 |
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I might decide to start donating to DU again...... |
XNASA |
Jul-26-07 02:50 PM |
#107 |
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Thank you for the reminder... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-26-07 01:52 PM |
#85 |
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I'll go on the record and say |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 02:22 PM |
#90 |
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You need to quit reducing the impeachment movement to Cindy. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 02:47 PM |
#104 |
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You know you are right we shouldn't reduce it to just her |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 03:04 PM |
#111 |
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No problem. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 03:21 PM |
#116 |
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Actually you should be talking |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 03:31 PM |
#118 |
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Thanks much but sometimes |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 03:43 PM |
#120 |
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Thanks for your response... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-26-07 04:34 PM |
#122 |
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With all due respect it wasn't a mountain out of a molehill |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:38 PM |
#149 |
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And, I'm no saint. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:59 PM |
#155 |
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St, Sfexpat2000- sounds like some bizzare Catholic Prayer-Bot |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:27 PM |
#162 |
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LOL! Pieces of my wardrobe are available |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:29 PM |
#164 |
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I appreciate the distinction... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-27-07 03:12 PM |
#191 |
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Tragically, by refusing to impeach, he is UNDOING his hard won. . . |
pat_k |
Jul-26-07 03:08 PM |
#113 |
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Yes, that's what he did. And I'm not at all sure that was his |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 03:27 PM |
#117 |
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Or perhaps he is going about things in a different manner |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 03:33 PM |
#119 |
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Any excuse for delay denies the magnitude of the crisis. |
pat_k |
Jul-26-07 04:59 PM |
#124 |
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I can tell you what I think the difference is |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 06:02 PM |
#126 |
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Unlike "a Prosecutor that rushes to trail and blows it". . . |
pat_k |
Jul-27-07 01:59 PM |
#186 |
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If Conyers, Pelosi, Leahy et. al. do not feel the time is right.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:18 PM |
#137 |
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They aren't telling us the "time isn't right" |
pat_k |
Jul-27-07 02:26 PM |
#188 |
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The Right Thing to Do |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 03:49 PM |
#121 |
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You can't fail by acting on what your conscience dictates. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 05:23 PM |
#125 |
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How do you know they aren't acting on conscience... |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:20 PM |
#138 |
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I was responding to the poster's remark about the protestors. nt |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 09:31 PM |
#139 |
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They accomplished at least 4 key things. |
pat_k |
Jul-26-07 06:28 PM |
#127 |
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I Haven't Forgotten. Course, I Haven't Lost My Mind And All Sense Of Reasoning Either. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jul-26-07 04:42 PM |
#123 |
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I think Conyers is great. I have no bad things to say. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-26-07 07:11 PM |
#134 |
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One can admire Conyers and still criticize him. One can honor what he's done and still |
kenzee13 |
Jul-26-07 10:26 PM |
#148 |
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It wasn't criticism |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:57 PM |
#154 |
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Cmon. Between Saint Cindy and beholden-to-reality Conyers? You know how DU will rule. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-07 11:01 PM |
#156 |
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St. Cindy? Nice. This isn't about Cindy no matter how hard people try |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:09 PM |
#157 |
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I thought it rolled off the toungue much better than the "Saint Conyers" upthread. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-07 11:10 PM |
#158 |
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. . . |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:10 PM |
#159 |
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I got as much right to strawman hyperbole as the next guy! yah! |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-07 11:12 PM |
#160 |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:14 PM |
#161 |
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Noooo I hope it was trolls |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:28 PM |
#163 |
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I know. It's been a rough time. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:30 PM |
#165 |
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Pssst |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:56 PM |
#168 |
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what did this 'leadership' really |
waldo_evans |
Jul-26-07 11:44 PM |
#166 |
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And here comes another troll! |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:55 PM |
#167 |
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do you call people you can't |
waldo_evans |
Jul-27-07 12:14 AM |
#169 |
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Nope, I call a troll a troll |
Marrah_G |
Jul-27-07 12:17 AM |
#170 |
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no I will not vanish, fool |
waldo_evans |
Jul-27-07 12:29 AM |
#172 |
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truth is |
bigtree |
Jul-27-07 01:06 AM |
#174 |
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Kicked & Rec'd ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jul-27-07 12:28 AM |
#171 |
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Yes, he is, Nance. |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 03:03 PM |
#190 |
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I like John Conyers... A LOT... but he's wrong on impeachment. |
MessiahRp |
Jul-27-07 12:33 AM |
#173 |
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Off with his head! |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-27-07 10:35 AM |
#179 |
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You're so right, Julie! |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 06:46 PM |
#195 |
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Since this thread is probably going to keep going |
mmonk |
Jul-27-07 10:37 AM |
#180 |
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Thanks for writing this. |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 11:08 AM |
#185 |
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Or with any activist or with each other. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-27-07 02:05 PM |
#187 |
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Thanks, sfexpat! |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 03:03 PM |
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Thank you for your clear thinking. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-27-07 03:37 PM |
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Please see the journal entry I wrote in December after hearing Conyers speak |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 06:45 PM |
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