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This is all about Cindy getting arrested in his office. The bashfest started at that moment and hasn't let up. This has jack shit to do with anything except her followers wanting to punish him.
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| -How Soon We Forget- The Leadership of John Conyers |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:17 AM |
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So glad to recommend. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:20 AM |
#1 |
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I second that n/t |
cynatnite |
Jul-26-07 01:22 AM |
#2 |
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Always glad to see ya, Mz. |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:22 AM |
#4 |
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Backatcha bub. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:12 PM |
#69 |
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No. John Conyers has suggested that he would start impeachment |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:22 AM |
#3 |
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I'll say it again: He wants justice as much as anyone here, |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:26 AM |
#5 |
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No. I hold people responsible for their behavior -- at a minimum. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:30 AM |
#6 |
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That attitude will hurt all of us. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:33 AM |
#9 |
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Intractable? Try, principled. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:34 AM |
#11 |
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No, Cindy's group passed principled and is heading towad extreme. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:40 AM |
#16 |
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They don't care |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 07:34 AM |
#34 |
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I'm not speaking for anyone else. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:15 AM |
#44 |
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In the first place, that meeting was not "Cindy's group" |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:52 PM |
#151 |
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I'm not seeing the principle. |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:42 AM |
#17 |
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It's not unreasonable to expect people to either keep their word |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:14 AM |
#42 |
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You have no problem with him being bashed and called a traitor? |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 07:31 AM |
#33 |
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But I didn't say that. And I do have a big problem with |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:14 AM |
#41 |
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I'm not saying he is perfect but he does not deserve the bashing this week on this board |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:19 AM |
#45 |
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That kind of stuff hasn't helped the situation at all, has it? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:24 AM |
#46 |
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No it hasn't n/t |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:36 AM |
#47 |
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And yet, it's still happening on this thread and some of it has |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:44 AM |
#49 |
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I think much of it is bashing overload |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:53 AM |
#50 |
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It's been flying fast in both directions and that's too bad. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:08 AM |
#51 |
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Did your attitude go bad again? |
bobbolink |
Jul-26-07 09:43 PM |
#140 |
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I'm fresh out of sweetener! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:54 PM |
#152 |
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"Want it all right now" |
puebloknot |
Jul-26-07 02:33 AM |
#19 |
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How about when it will work? |
EstimatedProphet |
Jul-26-07 01:33 PM |
#75 |
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But that's not what Conyers told these people. He told them |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:50 PM |
#150 |
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When in the hell are you going to learn.... |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:28 AM |
#176 |
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See any dragons? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-27-07 10:41 AM |
#181 |
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Greetings, St. George! |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:44 AM |
#182 |
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Aw, cumon, puebloknot.... your impatience is soooo very unseemly.... |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:26 AM |
#175 |
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an off-topic p.s. |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:55 AM |
#183 |
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I call it the Veruca Salt effect |
LittleClarkie |
Jul-26-07 02:52 AM |
#25 |
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Calling the Oompah-Loompas! |
Behind the Aegis |
Jul-26-07 02:57 AM |
#26 |
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Sometimes pushing good people too hard negates your cause. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:32 AM |
#7 |
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Sometimes holding people accountable is a mistake? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:33 AM |
#8 |
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Bullshit. Go ahead and make me the bad guy. You hurt your cuase. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:34 AM |
#12 |
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My pleasure. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:35 AM |
#14 |
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Okay, poof! |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:30 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-07 02:37 AM |
#21 |
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I am a woman. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 09:51 AM |
#40 |
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I am sorry you think I am "a joke". |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:25 PM |
#73 |
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Holding freaking JOHN CONYERS "accountable?" |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-26-07 01:35 AM |
#13 |
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John Conyers is not accountable for what he says? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:37 AM |
#15 |
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Food for thought Sfexpat |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 12:01 PM |
#57 |
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My hope is that everyone will heal up from this family fight |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:27 PM |
#74 |
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I hope so too sfexpat. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:41 PM |
#80 |
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I saw what he said.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:02 PM |
#131 |
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I don't believe anyone has intentionally set out to tell lies |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:08 PM |
#142 |
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So, that was *you*.... |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 10:32 AM |
#178 |
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What are 'OUR" goals? |
Breeze54 |
Jul-26-07 02:38 AM |
#23 |
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They do not care |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 07:38 AM |
#35 |
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This isn't about Cindy. Many events have been about Cindy |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:55 PM |
#87 |
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There may have been a few of you having a discussion |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:28 PM |
#91 |
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I didn't notice the new posters, Marrah, but I can be dense sometimes. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:32 PM |
#92 |
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At least two of them wrote nasty hit pieces. |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:39 PM |
#96 |
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Three of them wrote pieces, to my knowledge -- Ray, David |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:41 PM |
#98 |
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You give me hope though |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:44 PM |
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It's always more painful and upsetting when people who care |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:47 PM |
#103 |
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yup |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:48 PM |
#105 |
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Except there is no betrayal.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:04 PM |
#132 |
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John Conyers didn't tell those people "We're working on." |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:11 PM |
#143 |
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No, that's not what she said...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:00 PM |
#130 |
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When did he say that? |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 02:50 AM |
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There were two times that I know of -- and you understand, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:43 AM |
#48 |
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He did not give a deadline. |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 12:14 PM |
#59 |
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No, he didn't a deadline that I know of, that's right. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:06 PM |
#68 |
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From everything that I've read, Conyers always tempered |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 12:36 PM |
#63 |
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I don't believe that I represented that he signed a blood oath. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:04 PM |
#67 |
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"suggested" |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-26-07 04:21 AM |
#29 |
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There's something weird going on here because |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:47 AM |
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And Cindy Sheehan, whose cause I respect,sounds more like the same administration |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 12:00 PM |
#56 |
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This isn't about Cindy Sheehan and attacking her misses the |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 12:05 PM |
#58 |
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Yup. Been hearing that kind of 'larger picture' stuff for the last six years too. |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 12:53 PM |
#64 |
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Do you know who was at that meeting, Michigan? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:02 PM |
#66 |
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Has it been reported on? Press release? Statements by participants? |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 06:55 PM |
#128 |
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Yep. It was not Cindy's event. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:21 PM |
#147 |
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So rather then haviong any faith in a very good man they chose to trash the hell out of him |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 12:26 PM |
#60 |
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But that's exactly my point. Those people were so upset |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 12:31 PM |
#62 |
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Could it be, perhaps.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:05 PM |
#133 |
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I in no way believe the problem is John Conyers. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:56 PM |
#153 |
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Spoke with Slaughter's office today. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jul-26-07 01:33 AM |
#10 |
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And I hear the MPAA and the RIAA rate him quite high as well, Yay Team!! nt |
ToeBot |
Jul-26-07 02:04 AM |
#18 |
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Maybe he forgot ..... 'US'? |
Breeze54 |
Jul-26-07 02:35 AM |
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Great post! |
Behind the Aegis |
Jul-26-07 02:38 AM |
#22 |
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I am still proud to call him my representitive |
Az |
Jul-26-07 03:03 AM |
#27 |
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He's not my rep -- Levin is |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 06:37 PM |
#193 |
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Happy to K & R! Well-said. Thank you! n/t |
Joolz |
Jul-26-07 04:20 AM |
#28 |
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Gone but not forgotten ... |
Everybody |
Jul-26-07 06:40 AM |
#30 |
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In total agreement |
ellacott |
Jul-26-07 07:19 AM |
#31 |
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I support the leg work for impeachable offenses he has done. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 07:27 AM |
#32 |
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seems simple enough... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-26-07 02:04 PM |
#89 |
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You're welcome. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 03:05 PM |
#112 |
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He needs to do his fucking job |
proud2Blib |
Jul-26-07 07:38 AM |
#36 |
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We appreciate J. Conyers in Michigan and we're not likely to vote him out |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 11:54 AM |
#54 |
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Conyer's "What went wrong in Ohio" is the 21st century version of "Common Sense" |
Fly by night |
Jul-26-07 08:18 AM |
#37 |
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Conyers took some very unpopular, but principled stands on issues in Michigan |
noonwitch |
Jul-26-07 08:57 AM |
#38 |
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Unfortunatly those principled stands are not even looked at by the criticizing crew |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 11:56 AM |
#55 |
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This isn't about Michigan, either. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:12 PM |
#70 |
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No, the incident is not about Michigan, but the man is. |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 06:56 PM |
#129 |
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He's also the chair of the House Judiciary Committee |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 09:59 PM |
#141 |
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And that's what is not easy to understand. For you or for me. |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-07 10:14 PM |
#145 |
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I do understand it. Nancy is my representative. She wears |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:15 PM |
#146 |
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I'm beginning to wonder if there are a couple more hats stashed somewhere. |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-07 11:03 AM |
#184 |
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Kick!! Keep up the good work Rep. Conyers |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 09:04 AM |
#39 |
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right on |
bigtree |
Jul-26-07 10:15 AM |
#43 |
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BRAVO!!! |
xultar |
Jul-26-07 11:09 AM |
#52 |
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How quickly some turn |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 12:30 PM |
#61 |
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You need to refer to my post earlier. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 12:58 PM |
#65 |
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I will never understand your passion for this |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 01:20 PM |
#71 |
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The forrest that you're not seeing has been explained up thread. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:25 PM |
#72 |
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It's an attempt to hurt the Democratic party. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-07 01:33 PM |
#76 |
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This isn't about the party just as it isn't about Cindy. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:36 PM |
#79 |
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And I've read the explanation |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 01:45 PM |
#84 |
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As I've said ad nauseum, this isn't about Cindy. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 01:52 PM |
#86 |
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Unfortunatly movements also have faces |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 02:35 PM |
#94 |
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I'm sorry if I'm not listening very well. Long week. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:56 PM |
#108 |
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The Clinton impeachment was primarily a failure |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 02:59 PM |
#110 |
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And, according to Conyers |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 03:17 PM |
#114 |
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I don't their original intention was to bash Conyers. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 01:34 PM |
#77 |
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I can't wrap my mind around the idea that anyone would think |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:03 PM |
#88 |
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Here is why: |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:35 PM |
#93 |
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You forgot one.....senile. |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 02:37 PM |
#95 |
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But those weren't hit pieces. They were the outcome of a failed meeting. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:40 PM |
#97 |
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They were hit pieces |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 02:43 PM |
#100 |
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Yes, they probably were intended to hurt. And they came out of |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:45 PM |
#102 |
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I hope you feel the same way about people |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 02:50 PM |
#106 |
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I agree. It goes both ways. No doubt about that, imho. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 02:58 PM |
#109 |
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Coming on the heels of calling the Democratic Party |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:12 PM |
#135 |
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I'm referring to the pieces by David, Medea and Ray, who |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:13 PM |
#144 |
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I think the intention of the meeting was something different. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 02:42 PM |
#99 |
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Agree. This was an unfortunate trainwreck, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 03:19 PM |
#115 |
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No, more like a crash course derby...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:13 PM |
#136 |
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Great post. And welcome to DU! |
jpgray |
Jul-26-07 01:36 PM |
#78 |
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In a better world, yours would be the last word on this subject. |
asthmaticeog |
Jul-26-07 01:41 PM |
#81 |
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You spoke my mind |
mzmolly |
Jul-26-07 01:44 PM |
#82 |
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Great post, thank you. |
seasonedblue |
Jul-26-07 01:44 PM |
#83 |
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I might decide to start donating to DU again...... |
XNASA |
Jul-26-07 02:50 PM |
#107 |
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Thank you for the reminder... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-26-07 01:52 PM |
#85 |
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I'll go on the record and say |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 02:22 PM |
#90 |
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You need to quit reducing the impeachment movement to Cindy. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 02:47 PM |
#104 |
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You know you are right we shouldn't reduce it to just her |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 03:04 PM |
#111 |
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No problem. |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 03:21 PM |
#116 |
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Actually you should be talking |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 03:31 PM |
#118 |
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Thanks much but sometimes |
mmonk |
Jul-26-07 03:43 PM |
#120 |
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Thanks for your response... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-26-07 04:34 PM |
#122 |
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With all due respect it wasn't a mountain out of a molehill |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:38 PM |
#149 |
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And, I'm no saint. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 10:59 PM |
#155 |
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St, Sfexpat2000- sounds like some bizzare Catholic Prayer-Bot |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:27 PM |
#162 |
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LOL! Pieces of my wardrobe are available |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:29 PM |
#164 |
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I appreciate the distinction... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-27-07 03:12 PM |
#191 |
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Tragically, by refusing to impeach, he is UNDOING his hard won. . . |
pat_k |
Jul-26-07 03:08 PM |
#113 |
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Yes, that's what he did. And I'm not at all sure that was his |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 03:27 PM |
#117 |
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Or perhaps he is going about things in a different manner |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 03:33 PM |
#119 |
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Any excuse for delay denies the magnitude of the crisis. |
pat_k |
Jul-26-07 04:59 PM |
#124 |
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I can tell you what I think the difference is |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 06:02 PM |
#126 |
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Unlike "a Prosecutor that rushes to trail and blows it". . . |
pat_k |
Jul-27-07 01:59 PM |
#186 |
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If Conyers, Pelosi, Leahy et. al. do not feel the time is right.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:18 PM |
#137 |
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They aren't telling us the "time isn't right" |
pat_k |
Jul-27-07 02:26 PM |
#188 |
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The Right Thing to Do |
NeedleCast |
Jul-26-07 03:49 PM |
#121 |
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You can't fail by acting on what your conscience dictates. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 05:23 PM |
#125 |
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How do you know they aren't acting on conscience... |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-26-07 07:20 PM |
#138 |
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I was responding to the poster's remark about the protestors. nt |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 09:31 PM |
#139 |
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They accomplished at least 4 key things. |
pat_k |
Jul-26-07 06:28 PM |
#127 |
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I Haven't Forgotten. Course, I Haven't Lost My Mind And All Sense Of Reasoning Either. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jul-26-07 04:42 PM |
#123 |
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I think Conyers is great. I have no bad things to say. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-26-07 07:11 PM |
#134 |
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One can admire Conyers and still criticize him. One can honor what he's done and still |
kenzee13 |
Jul-26-07 10:26 PM |
#148 |
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It wasn't criticism |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 10:57 PM |
#154 |
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Cmon. Between Saint Cindy and beholden-to-reality Conyers? You know how DU will rule. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-07 11:01 PM |
#156 |
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St. Cindy? Nice. This isn't about Cindy no matter how hard people try |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:09 PM |
#157 |
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I thought it rolled off the toungue much better than the "Saint Conyers" upthread. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-07 11:10 PM |
#158 |
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. . . |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:10 PM |
#159 |
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I got as much right to strawman hyperbole as the next guy! yah! |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-07 11:12 PM |
#160 |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:14 PM |
#161 |
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Noooo I hope it was trolls |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:28 PM |
#163 |
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I know. It's been a rough time. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-26-07 11:30 PM |
#165 |
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Pssst |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:56 PM |
#168 |
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what did this 'leadership' really |
waldo_evans |
Jul-26-07 11:44 PM |
#166 |
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And here comes another troll! |
Marrah_G |
Jul-26-07 11:55 PM |
#167 |
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do you call people you can't |
waldo_evans |
Jul-27-07 12:14 AM |
#169 |
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Nope, I call a troll a troll |
Marrah_G |
Jul-27-07 12:17 AM |
#170 |
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no I will not vanish, fool |
waldo_evans |
Jul-27-07 12:29 AM |
#172 |
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truth is |
bigtree |
Jul-27-07 01:06 AM |
#174 |
| -
Kicked & Rec'd ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jul-27-07 12:28 AM |
#171 |
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Yes, he is, Nance. |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 03:03 PM |
#190 |
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I like John Conyers... A LOT... but he's wrong on impeachment. |
MessiahRp |
Jul-27-07 12:33 AM |
#173 |
| -
Off with his head! |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-27-07 10:35 AM |
#179 |
| -
You're so right, Julie! |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 06:46 PM |
#195 |
| -
Since this thread is probably going to keep going |
mmonk |
Jul-27-07 10:37 AM |
#180 |
| -
Thanks for writing this. |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 11:08 AM |
#185 |
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Or with any activist or with each other. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-27-07 02:05 PM |
#187 |
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Thanks, sfexpat! |
SharonRB |
Jul-27-07 03:03 PM |
#189 |
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Thank you for your clear thinking. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-27-07 03:37 PM |
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Please see the journal entry I wrote in December after hearing Conyers speak |
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