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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. I see.
I don't do anything - in my life - for any other reason but that I think it is the right thing to do.

And there is no fu*king way I stop now.

I will always say what I think -

And maybe I am full of crap - and that doesn't really matter in the end.

Does it??

Joe
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  -Please do NOT perpetuate this crap about Nazi links to "W" - Joe for Clark  Jul-24-07 09:38 PM   #0 
  - I'm sorry Joe but it's true  seemslikeadream   Jul-24-07 09:41 PM   #1 
  - No it is not - And I am warning you if this happens we can lose  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 09:49 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-07 09:52 PM   #17 
  - Guess we all think a lot of things.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:07 PM   # 
  - Sowing the Seeds of Fascism in America  seemslikeadream   Jul-24-07 09:57 PM   #26 
  - The irony!  kgfnally   Jul-25-07 07:25 AM   #136 
  - Actually, Joe, it IS true. Or was. Prescott Bush, Union Bank & Trust.  Atman   Jul-24-07 10:05 PM   #37 
  - It's not fiction, Joe, take a look for yourself...  Mr_Jefferson_24   Jul-24-07 10:06 PM   #39 
  - It doesn't even matter right now.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:09 PM   #44 
  - Forward to Fascism  seemslikeadream   Jul-24-07 10:13 PM   #50 
  - If you knew, you and others might have had more warning.  FogerRox   Jul-24-07 10:13 PM   #51 
  - Its not what you know that counts - it is how you use it.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:40 PM   #74 
     - George Bush is a perfect prototype for that statement!!!  puebloknot   Jul-25-07 02:53 PM   #161 
  - I always thought this is what the survivors of the holocaust  Uncle Joe   Jul-25-07 03:32 PM   #172 
  - So its crap or it should be hushed up?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-25-07 08:47 PM   #208 
  - Things like that ALWAYS matter.  JanMichael   Jul-25-07 10:10 PM   #215 
  - nevermind  comtec   Jul-27-07 09:43 AM   #222 
  - Joe, you are absolutely correct  ben_meyers   Jul-24-07 10:36 PM   #71 
  - Crap.  NCevilDUer   Jul-25-07 06:18 PM   #190 
  - Siege Heil to the truth!  Breeze54   Jul-24-07 10:53 PM   #84 
  - Surge Heil!  Hubert Flottz   Jul-25-07 03:42 PM   #175 
  - the truth is more important than winning..  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-25-07 12:08 AM   #102 
  - I understand where you're coming from...  EOTE   Jul-25-07 03:10 PM   #166 
  - In a just world, he'd win the Nobel Prize for Cartoons  Gabi Hayes   Jul-24-07 10:01 PM   #30 
  - If You Think That Cartoon Approximates Reality Circa 1944, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jul-24-07 11:41 PM   #95 
  - Don't put words in my mouth Sir  seemslikeadream   Jul-25-07 06:35 PM   #196 
  - More like reality circa 1934, IMO n/t  eridani   Jul-25-07 08:32 PM   #206 
  - it's true  Thothmes   Jul-25-07 06:19 PM   #191 
     - They don't need to do that these days around,  Amonester   Jul-25-07 10:08 PM   #214 
  - His grandfather traded with Nazi Germany. It's history.  Perragrande   Jul-24-07 09:42 PM   #2 
  - The problem is, it's true. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-24-07 09:42 PM   #3 
  - Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection  Octafish   Jul-25-07 09:27 PM   #211 
  - Joe...Grandfather * was associated with the Nazi's, he supported  MadMaddie   Jul-24-07 09:43 PM   #4 
  - we what in the hell do you call this then? Fascism ? it all starts out small and just grows  april   Jul-24-07 09:44 PM   #5 
  - sorry type o  april   Jul-24-07 09:47 PM   #9 
  - The Neofascist that have taken over this country  Nunyabiz   Jul-24-07 09:44 PM   #6 
  - Hitler was not a "good public speaker" unless you go in for  coalition_unwilling   Jul-25-07 02:54 PM   #162 
  - And when did *YOU* decide that we all look like nuts.  Cleita   Jul-24-07 09:45 PM   #7 
  - I resemble that.  TahitiNut   Jul-24-07 10:03 PM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-07 09:46 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-07 10:00 PM   #29 
     - Well, you are the one quoting him, not me..  Webster Green   Jul-24-07 10:03 PM   #33 
  - Millions died because of Nazi Germany and its sympathsizers.  roamer65   Jul-24-07 09:48 PM   #10 
  - Isn't his grandfather dead? n/t  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 09:49 PM   #14 
     - Prescott Bush was alive in 1942.  roamer65   Jul-24-07 09:52 PM   #18 
        - My grandfather should have been at Nuremburg for his crimes...  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 09:56 PM   #25 
           - Why wasn't your grandfather tried at Nuremburg?  roamer65   Jul-24-07 10:11 PM   #46 
              - He was killed in action when the Soviets got to Berlin...  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 10:17 PM   #58 
                 - Hung for his crimes at Nuremburg?...Maybe...  roamer65   Jul-24-07 10:27 PM   #67 
                 - I don't know...  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 10:33 PM   #70 
                 - So am I.  roamer65   Jul-24-07 10:47 PM   #81 
                    - The death rate was what over 70% and the last ones did not  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:59 PM   #89 
                       - I'm surprised some made it out.  roamer65   Jul-25-07 05:52 PM   #187 
                 - Yeah, rocket/other scientists and virulent anti-communists seemed to fare better than the  indepat   Jul-25-07 03:23 PM   #170 
                    - There was a lot of sympathy for Germany in the US even during the war...  roamer65   Jul-25-07 05:57 PM   #188 
                 - There's a difference here --  NCevilDUer   Jul-25-07 06:26 PM   #193 
  - Your concern is noted.  BlooInBloo   Jul-24-07 09:48 PM   #11 
  - Agreed...  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 09:49 PM   #12 
  - Except in the case of the Bushes, the pattern really is generational...  villager   Jul-24-07 09:58 PM   #27 
  - At our peril? How?  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 10:04 PM   #36 
     - "Why is it dire now?"  villager   Jul-25-07 12:34 AM   #108 
  - My father wasn't a Nazi but he liked them. He even grew a Hitler-style mustache  karlrschneider   Jul-24-07 10:08 PM   #42 
  - The problem is it is the Family buisness to make money off war and the Blood of our troops!  sce56   Jul-25-07 02:31 PM   #157 
  - Union Banking Corporation  messiah2012   Jul-24-07 09:50 PM   #15 
  - Vesting Order number 248, anyone? It can't happen here. They're freaking out in Kansas, Kansas....  Gabi Hayes   Jul-24-07 09:54 PM   #21 
     - What does it mean when somebody has only one share of a certain stock.  messiah2012   Jul-24-07 10:00 PM   #28 
        - there's this thing called google. If you check it for about five seconds, you'll find  Gabi Hayes   Jul-24-07 10:15 PM   #53 
        - Although Prescott had only one share...he voted almost all shares...  saddlesore   Jul-25-07 12:47 PM   #147 
  - It's true, Joe. Google "Prescott Bush."  in_cog_ni_to   Jul-24-07 09:52 PM   #16 
  - And the truth shall set you free.  Lars39   Jul-24-07 09:53 PM   #19 
  - I wish more Dems would worry about what's true and right...  Forkboy   Jul-24-07 09:53 PM   #20 
  - "We will look like nuts" you say?  Lex   Jul-24-07 09:55 PM   #22 
  - That is a fact.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:01 PM   #31 
  - For what? readying history?  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:04 PM   #35 
  - Ford  Thothmes   Jul-25-07 06:25 PM   #192 
  - As opposed to looking like an idiot?  TankLV   Jul-24-07 10:14 PM   #52 
  - No - I am opposed to getting my ass kicked.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:19 PM   #59 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-07 10:33 PM   #69 
        - I see.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:44 PM   #78 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-07 12:58 PM   #151 
              - How Dare You Attack Him Like That. If That's Your Mindset, Then Maybe It Is YOU That Doesn't Belong  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jul-25-07 03:29 PM   #171 
  - Actually not Joe. At first my parents did not believe me about Prescott Bush  Dems Will Win   Jul-25-07 09:11 AM   #144 
     - Ford  Thothmes   Jul-25-07 06:26 PM   #194 
        - Ford also the leading anti-semite  unc70   Jul-25-07 07:22 PM   #199 
  - take it from a pro  sniffa   Jul-25-07 03:38 PM   #174 
  - Or linking George W Bush  H2O Man   Jul-24-07 09:56 PM   #23 
  - What history? Prescott Bush was  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 09:56 PM   #24 
  - Correct, Prescott had 18 companies seized and assets frozen under the  FogerRox   Jul-24-07 10:10 PM   #45 
  - It's incredibly ironic for a DUer to admonish others to "be careful what you say about this"  Steve_DeShazer   Jul-24-07 10:03 PM   #34 
  - This is a warning -  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:06 PM   #38 
  - We are in tis hole because Americans refuse to learn from  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:07 PM   #40 
  - So because he disagrees he's enabling the fascists?  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 10:12 PM   #48 
  - Not quite, he is a fascist and his policies  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:16 PM   #56 
     - Fascism gets thrown around a bit too much around here, IMO  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 10:22 PM   #63 
        - This is the definition given by benito Mussolini  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:42 PM   #75 
           - I'm not a politial science graduate...  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 10:49 PM   #82 
              - Read what I gave you FRIOM Mussolini  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:56 PM   #86 
                 - I'm getting ready to read it right now...I promise :)  cynatnite   Jul-24-07 11:09 PM   #91 
                    - My other job while going to college  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 11:37 PM   #93 
                    - I appreciate your posts, nadinebrzezinski  Drum   Jul-25-07 01:04 AM   #116 
                       - Thank you  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-07 01:13 AM   #118 
                    - Pope John Paul II called the US war in Iraq an "unjust war"  Usrename   Jul-25-07 04:13 PM   #181 
  - No - I am warning you guys - you say things that sound nuts  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:37 PM   #72 
     - Once again  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:44 PM   #79 
     - It is NOT over - not over my dead body!!  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 11:04 PM   #90 
        - I don't underestimate this country  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 11:44 PM   #97 
           - I trust those Jr officers - I think they are really good.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 11:52 PM   #98 
              - I am not even talking of the army  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-07 12:04 AM   #101 
                 - I guess I am a hopeless romantic - cause I believe they can  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 12:17 AM   #105 
                    - If you think the army will go for a coup  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-07 12:21 AM   #107 
                    - No coup Nadin - just doing their job.  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 12:52 AM   #112 
                    - Then we are talking of different things  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-07 12:57 AM   #113 
                       - It is the same -  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 01:18 AM   #119 
                          - Well Joe you can have that trust  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-07 01:40 AM   #124 
                             - I understand -  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 01:58 AM   #126 
                    - He lost me when he started mentioning the virtues of Buffet and Gates  truedelphi   Jul-25-07 03:02 PM   #165 
                    - Every time I read a thread you start it comes down to this same thing.....  BlackVelvet04   Jul-25-07 03:23 PM   #169 
                       - Thank you  Gelliebeans   Jul-25-07 05:43 PM   #186 
                          - It's nice to know I'm not the only one left wondering what the hell  BlackVelvet04   Jul-25-07 08:21 PM   #204 
     - So the whole River Valley reads DU, and will change their vote because of a few historical threads?  Bongo Prophet   Jul-25-07 12:02 AM   #100 
     - I reallly don't think you really appreciate the stakes right now.  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 02:59 AM   #130 
        - I understand and appreciate the stakes quite well, thank you  Bongo Prophet   Jul-25-07 09:27 AM   #145 
           - I appreciate your thought and I have no problem with you  Joe for Clark   Jul-26-07 06:00 PM   #217 
     - pfft.  Drum   Jul-25-07 01:12 AM   #117 
     - Watch this documentary from 60 years ago we forgot to remind ourselves from time to time to protect  sce56   Jul-25-07 02:39 PM   #159 
  - Is that like how something horrible is supposed to happen in 2 weeks?  Lex   Jul-24-07 10:07 PM   #41 
  - Sorry Joe, history cannot be changed. His grandpa was CONVICTED of doing business with the Nazis.  dicksteele   Jul-24-07 10:08 PM   #43 
  - Then how about bunkerboy's AWOL?  TankLV   Jul-24-07 10:16 PM   #57 
  - Do you understand that it is both true and relevant?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-25-07 09:56 PM   #212 
  - Joe PLEASE consider this my friend - Prisoner 345 It's a number, just a number  seemslikeadream   Jul-24-07 10:12 PM   #47 
  - How many have died because of georgie?  seemslikeadream   Jul-24-07 10:19 PM   #60 
     - Fortunalety he is not n the same category YET  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:21 PM   #61 
     - I'm sorry nadinbrzezinske, I guess we could give him a little more time  seemslikeadream   Jul-24-07 10:23 PM   #66 
        - Oh I am all for NOT giving him one more second  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-24-07 10:45 PM   #80 
           - A few of 'em are paid to not use it.  Amonester   Jul-25-07 10:56 PM   #216 
     - I don't think in his first 6 years Hitler had over 600,000 dead under his belt yet. eom  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-24-07 10:42 PM   #77 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-07 10:13 PM   #49 
  - CIA Enlisted NAZI Germany's Eastern Spy Network - The GEHLEN Organizaton  Octafish   Jul-24-07 10:15 PM   #54 
  - That is only the second or third time(maybe) i have read something like that.  nolabels   Jul-25-07 02:24 AM   #129 
     - Oh yes. That thread you linked to was tops and most revealing.  Octafish   Jul-25-07 09:23 PM   #210 
  - Listen to this BBC report on the coup against FDR:  mod mom   Jul-24-07 10:16 PM   #55 
  - Excellent BBC report. Here's Dave Emory interview with Jules Archer, 'Plot to Seize WH' author.  Octafish   Jul-24-07 11:42 PM   #96 
     - Thank you Octafish. I going to have to look for the book as well.  mod mom   Jul-25-07 06:49 AM   #133 
  - Except that the chain goes like this...  hootinholler   Jul-24-07 10:22 PM   #62 
  - If anyone still thinks that describing the United States government by using the F word --fascist --  seemslikeadream   Jul-24-07 10:22 PM   #64 
  - So hire PR for the ones that are making us look like idiots  Hydra   Jul-24-07 10:23 PM   #65 
  - What are you talking about--  Jed Dilligan   Jul-24-07 10:31 PM   #68 
  - If it looks like a duck....  marmar   Jul-24-07 10:38 PM   #73 
  - It's not a paranoid conspiracy theory - it's fact.  EOO   Jul-24-07 10:42 PM   #76 
  - Man - it doesn't matter -  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 10:51 PM   #83 
  - This country needs more truth-telling and less being told to be quiet.  Lex   Jul-24-07 10:57 PM   #87 
     - Not if it is over the bounds of stupid.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 11:24 PM   #92 
     - There's a difference between an opinion and a fact.  Lex   Jul-24-07 11:39 PM   #94 
     - You are right - good point.  Joe for Clark   Jul-24-07 11:56 PM   #99 
     - So, you "rail about the Japanese?" Don't you know we will "Lose the entire country" because of that?  Bongo Prophet   Jul-25-07 12:18 AM   #106 
     - kick for THAT succinct truth!  Drum   Jul-25-07 01:21 AM   #120 
  - Godwin's Law doesn't apply when you talking about Nazis.  baldguy   Jul-24-07 10:55 PM   #85 
  - I guess I'm the 'head cashew', 'cause the undeniable fact is :  AzDar   Jul-24-07 10:58 PM   #88 
  - no one challenges my authority as the Head Cashew!  NuttyFluffers   Jul-25-07 04:11 AM   #131 
  - Right. And the Freeper site is haven for sane people.  Canuckistanian   Jul-25-07 12:15 AM   #103 
  - One has nothing to fear  Progs Rock   Jul-25-07 12:16 AM   #104 
  - Sorry, the connections are there - too bad the truth is nuts to you.  devilgrrl   Jul-25-07 12:40 AM   #109 
  - As you can see, very few DUers choose to whitewash history like you.  Alexander   Jul-25-07 12:42 AM   #110 
  - Well than maybe I do look that way -  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 01:36 AM   #123 
     - 50 of my relatives  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-07 01:41 AM   #125 
        - Ok -  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 02:01 AM   #127 
           - It is not arguing Joe  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-07 02:10 AM   #128 
           - "I don't want to argue anymore about it."  Alexander   Jul-25-07 01:58 PM   #156 
  - I got a better idea.  tabasco   Jul-25-07 12:49 AM   #111 
  - Well - I guess that is honest.  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 12:58 AM   #114 
     - Is that your excuse for starting this ridiculous thread?  devilgrrl   Jul-25-07 01:02 AM   #115 
        - Sure -  Joe for Clark   Jul-25-07 01:23 AM   #121 
           - My condolences to you. What a horrible way to live. This would have been a better  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-25-07 08:37 PM   #207 
              - It is amazing what you can learn to live with sometimes.  Joe for Clark   Jul-26-07 08:42 PM   #218 
  - Sorry, but it is the truth  JCMach1   Jul-25-07 01:34 AM   #122 
  - Sometimes you look like a nut, sometimes you don't.  Philosoraptor   Jul-25-07 04:20 AM   #132 
  - Bush may not be a Nazi or even a fascist, he's too dim-witted. The RNC, on the other hand ,...  Kip Humphrey   Jul-25-07 07:00 AM   #134 
  - OK then  malaise   Jul-25-07 07:08 AM   #135 
  - Do you have this?  Solly Mack   Jul-25-07 07:29 AM   #137 
     - Thanks n/t  malaise   Jul-25-07 08:01 AM   #140 
     - When it looks like duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck!  sce56   Jul-25-07 06:13 PM   #189 
     - Please note, the "Brown Bros. Harriman" mentioned prominently  NCevilDUer   Jul-25-07 08:01 PM   #201 
        - sure isn't  Solly Mack   Jul-25-07 08:06 PM   #202 
  - Hello? Was YOUR Grandfather THE banker to the Third Reich?!  WinkyDink   Jul-25-07 07:51 AM   #138 
  - Kevin Phillips 'American Dynasty' ....Phillips hardly a Dem. or Conspiracy Nut...n/t  KoKo01   Jul-25-07 08:06 AM   #142 
  - "be careful what you say"...  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-07 07:56 AM   #139 
  - history cannot be deleted  bambino   Jul-25-07 08:03 AM   #141 
  - Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!  Swamp Rat   Jul-25-07 08:23 AM   #143 
  - Has anyone ever thought of something that fits much more,  Call Me Wesley   Jul-25-07 09:58 AM   #146 
  - Prescott Bush - Union Bank and Trust. Read about it. Then get back to me...  Beelzebud   Jul-25-07 12:51 PM   #148 
  - We'll look like nuts? Huh.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-25-07 12:51 PM   #149 
  - That's gonna leave a mark.  Hong Kong Cavalier   Jul-25-07 01:41 PM   #153 
  - D'oh.  myrna minx   Jul-25-07 02:47 PM   #160 
  - I can think of a few dozen more. N/T  SixString   Jul-25-07 04:11 PM   #180 
  - Oh my. Thanks for sharing.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-25-07 09:58 PM   #213 
  - Who said that Bush himself has Nazi links?  LeftishBrit   Jul-25-07 12:53 PM   #150 
  - Prescott wanted the US to be like Nazi Germany and that is a fact.  alfredo   Jul-25-07 01:28 PM   #152 
  - Ew. That's Truely Creepy.  Megahurtz   Jul-25-07 04:19 PM   #182 
  - Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it...nt  saddlesore   Jul-25-07 01:51 PM   #154 
  - If it walks like a nazi, talks like a nazi, and acts like a nazi,  dkofos   Jul-25-07 01:54 PM   #155 
  - His grandfather worked with and made money with the Nazis. His grandfather planned a coup against...  truebrit71   Jul-25-07 02:38 PM   #158 
  - It may be true but it will get no traction in USA media. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Jul-25-07 02:55 PM   #163 
  - There are websites that are linked to DUers like Pro Semite Undercover  bobthedrummer   Jul-25-07 03:02 PM   #164 
  - If the Jackboot fits...  corkhead   Jul-25-07 03:11 PM   #167 
  - Or the Brown Shirt..........  WinkyDink   Jul-25-07 03:54 PM   #178 
  - This has been an informative thread  Babsbrain   Jul-25-07 03:20 PM   #168 
  - some posters make us Look nuts  sniffa   Jul-25-07 03:36 PM   #173 
  - Or Clark links to the Knights of Malta...  formercia   Jul-25-07 03:50 PM   #176 
  - "So be careful what you say....:" Ari Fleischer, is that you?! Like this pic?  WinkyDink   Jul-25-07 03:53 PM   #177 
  - No the neocons are just an evil gang of ducks that quack like...  Hubert Flottz   Jul-25-07 03:57 PM   #179 
  - Comparing the present Regime to Nazis is anti-productive.  Disturbed   Jul-25-07 04:37 PM   #184 
     - It needs to conjure up those images to wake the sleeping sheep.  Hubert Flottz   Jul-25-07 06:56 PM   #197 
  - Look nuts to who?  DemGa   Jul-25-07 04:30 PM   #183 
  - It is true so keep saying it until everyone understands before it is too late. n/t  kickysnana   Jul-25-07 04:43 PM   #185 
  - What do you mean be careful what we say, and why should we  treestar   Jul-25-07 06:29 PM   #195 
  - and the republicans have been so successful by being subtle and nuanced  yurbud   Jul-25-07 06:59 PM   #198 
  - Bush is a Nazi. Bush is a Nazi. Bush is a Nazi.  bemildred   Jul-25-07 07:48 PM   #200 
  - The evidence is everywhere  hollywoodlib   Jul-25-07 08:08 PM   #203 
  - bushfuckingshitler bushfuckingshitler bushfuckingshitler!  lonestarnot   Jul-25-07 08:22 PM   #205 
  - Except for the fact that the BFEE are Nazi sympathizers and have made their fortunes based on war  Blue State Native   Jul-25-07 08:51 PM   #209 
  - It's all lost on them, Joe  Buzz Clik   Jul-27-07 07:50 AM   #219 
  - yes, "watch what you say"  RestoreGore   Jul-27-07 07:59 AM   #220 
  - Great...just what we need, more hand wringing and finger wagging  deutsey   Jul-27-07 08:05 AM   #221 
 

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