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5. I respectfully disagree...& here is why
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 12:27 PM by debbierlus
There has to be a time when you say ENOUGH is ENOUGH.

And, that time is here.

The reason I won't let impeachment drop is the simple fact that this isn't a PAST event we are talking about. Bush has become emboldened to the point that he completely ignores Congress. He is breaking the laws & expanding his power EVERY day.
If this was one act that would be reliving ancient history, I would agree, let it lie.

But, this is an EXTREME situation, a Constitutional Crisis. And, the remedy for that is impeachment.

This isn't even just about Bush anymore, this is about the entire means by which future executives may govern.

The preservation of our constitutional system hangs in the balance & that overrides any deals or individual Congress people.

TIME TO ACT!
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  -I'd like to drop a thought about Pelosi, Conyers and impeachment... WilliamPitt  Jul-24-07 12:20 PM   #0 
  - Can I get an Amen?  meegbear   Jul-24-07 12:22 PM   #1 
  - a-freaking-men!  philosophie_en_rose   Jul-24-07 05:47 PM   #144 
  - Will using logic, pragmatism and strategy is not appreciated by many here on DU  wndycty   Jul-24-07 12:24 PM   #2 
  - Ain't that the truth. Some of the best ideas are not feasible with a slim majority. nt  MookieWilson   Jul-24-07 12:26 PM   #3 
  - Strategy with Bushco has worked so well, I guess.  WinkyDink   Jul-24-07 02:50 PM   #124 
  - What a great post. Thank you, thank you, thank you.  pnwmom   Jul-24-07 12:26 PM   #4 
  - I respectfully disagree...& here is why  debbierlus   Jul-24-07 12:27 PM   #5 
  - Thank you debbierlus. I couldn't have said it better myself! nt  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-24-07 12:33 PM   #19 
  - I agree  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 12:41 PM   #24 
     - Well, what other stuff is getting done?  eridani   Jul-24-07 08:51 PM   #164 
     - there is an indigenous people somewhere...  tomp   Jul-25-07 12:22 PM   #184 
  - Amen. I still have vision of sugarplums, er perp-walks dancing in my head, and I want to see those  CLW   Jul-24-07 12:27 PM   #6 
  - Politics. What can I say. For want of a nail... nf  thereismore   Jul-24-07 12:27 PM   #7 
  - Thank you!!!!  azurnoir   Jul-24-07 12:28 PM   #8 
  - one question, Will  grasswire   Jul-24-07 12:28 PM   #9 
  - I have sen it, but I don't need to  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 12:44 PM   #27 
     - So, let's see if we can't get links sent to all of them.  tbyg52   Jul-24-07 06:12 PM   #151 
  - Recs, please, everyone! Let's put this on the Greatest Page.  pnwmom   Jul-24-07 12:28 PM   #10 
  - Nice name. Why didn't I think of that!  Raven   Jul-24-07 12:29 PM   #11 
  - I believe Conyers is the one who can't count  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 12:31 PM   #17 
  - What am I missing here? How many votes do we have in the  Raven   Jul-24-07 12:35 PM   #21 
  - Less today than we WILL have once we start the hearings. nt  rateyes   Jul-24-07 12:53 PM   #46 
  - And how hard is Conyers working to get those votes?  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 12:59 PM   #56 
     - And how would you know that. Last time I worked in a political  Raven   Jul-24-07 01:07 PM   #65 
        - Well I believe that once they see the evidence  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 01:32 PM   #83 
        - Impeachment proceedings in the House typically start with  coalition_unwilling   Jul-24-07 02:44 PM   #119 
           - Impeachment start with a vote by the full House to authorize hearings  onenote   Jul-24-07 06:02 PM   #148 
              - Thanks for that clarification. If I read you correctly, then, Conyers  coalition_unwilling   Jul-25-07 01:46 PM   #187 
  - another amen here  onenote   Jul-24-07 12:40 PM   #23 
     - I did  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 01:06 PM   #64 
     - Heres what I want Conyers and Pellosi to do  sheeptramp   Jul-24-07 02:18 PM   #102 
        - Meanwhile...  Aya Reiko   Jul-24-07 03:12 PM   #130 
           - When Pelosi and Conyers start talkng about impeachment,...  sheeptramp   Jul-24-07 03:58 PM   #133 
  - I was always told "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."  TahitiNut   Jul-24-07 12:52 PM   #43 
  - any political leader that doesn't count votes in advance is soon a former leader  onenote   Jul-24-07 04:04 PM   #135 
     - Any politician that just goes along with the crowd isn't a "leader." Not even close.  TahitiNut   Jul-24-07 05:21 PM   #137 
        - Darn fucking tootin!  JVS   Jul-24-07 05:36 PM   #140 
        - when the "crowd" are the members of Congress whose votes are needed  onenote   Jul-24-07 05:54 PM   #147 
  - "Reality is a bitch. Fantasy Land is much more fun."  mzmolly   Jul-24-07 05:51 PM   #145 
  - Troops are still dying...  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-24-07 12:29 PM   #12 
  - You didn't even read it, did you.  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 12:43 PM   #26 
     - Oh, I read it.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-24-07 12:46 PM   #30 
        - How?  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 12:58 PM   # 
           - How for which?  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-24-07 01:03 PM   #59 
              - Turn towards the light.  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 01:24 PM   #78 
                 - Which one?  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-24-07 01:25 PM   #79 
                    - The one always shining on you for such brave activism  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 02:21 PM   #105 
  - Stopping bushco trumps everything in my book  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 12:29 PM   #13 
  - But if stopping him puts the Rethugs back in power in 2008,  pnwmom   Jul-24-07 12:30 PM   #15 
  - Why would stopping him put the republicans back in power?  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-24-07 12:32 PM   #18 
  - Well obviously, I don't believe there is a snowball's chance in July of that happening  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 12:33 PM   #20 
  - And how do we run impeachment hearings if Bush continues  pnwmom   Jul-24-07 12:51 PM   #40 
     - You can't claim executive privilege in impeachment hearings.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-24-07 12:53 PM   #45 
        - I am going to have that tattooed on my forehead  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 01:08 PM   #67 
        - Bush could still try to claim executive privilege  creeksneakers2   Jul-24-07 08:20 PM   #161 
  - Based on what historical precedent? Jimmy Carter's 1976 victory?  WinkyDink   Jul-24-07 02:52 PM   #126 
  - I agree.  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 12:48 PM   #32 
     - Will, have you seen this:  proud2Blib   Jul-24-07 12:57 PM   #52 
  - No mercy for you, Palm Frond!  progressoid   Jul-24-07 12:30 PM   #14 
  - No flames..nice to see reasoned discussions. But please go to the link and  wiggs   Jul-24-07 12:31 PM   #16 
  - Will I hate to agree with you. You make excellent points. BUT there comes a time when  Vincardog   Jul-24-07 12:38 PM   #22 
  - I agree.  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 12:44 PM   #28 
     - The AGAG hearings on Cspan3 today were a start. The closer to the election and the more BS that come  Vincardog   Jul-24-07 12:53 PM   #47 
  - You make a good case...  thoughtanarchist   Jul-24-07 12:41 PM   #25 
  - The "cons" did it in '98 'cause  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 12:49 PM   #37 
  - I often wonder  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 12:52 PM   #42 
  - Indeed and they had already spent MILLIONS trying..  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 12:59 PM   #54 
     - Yep, you're exactly right.  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 01:55 PM   #94 
     - The way the GOP got the White House back in 2000  creeksneakers2   Jul-24-07 08:35 PM   #162 
  - The republic's whips had a bite to them...  LanternWaste   Jul-24-07 01:43 PM   #91 
     - Exactly, nothing would solidify their base more..  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 02:09 PM   #97 
     - that's exactly right  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 02:16 PM   #100 
     - All thirty percent of them? eom  Mojorabbit   Jul-25-07 01:21 AM   #173 
     - I call it "the FORCE"  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 02:17 PM   #101 
        - But you know Blue_Roses..  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 02:20 PM   #103 
  - Convict after 2008  hawkowl88   Jul-24-07 12:46 PM   #29 
  - Yes, that's exactly what needs to be done...  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 12:54 PM   #48 
  - yes  CitizenLeft   Jul-24-07 06:14 PM   #153 
  - Yes, Will....what you say is a view....But, we remember when Daschle had a "plan"  KoKo01   Jul-24-07 12:48 PM   #31 
  - It won't do any good to move to Fiji  formercia   Jul-24-07 12:48 PM   #33 
  - Excellent Post  NeedleCast   Jul-24-07 12:48 PM   #34 
  - You got a problem with Palm Fronds in Fiji? You have an issue with this.....  LynneSin   Jul-24-07 12:49 PM   #35 
  - Oh My God,  mulsh   Jul-24-07 12:49 PM   #36 
  - You're living in a world of make-believe.  Usrename   Jul-24-07 12:50 PM   #38 
  - Proof?  WilliamPitt   Jul-24-07 12:51 PM   #39 
  - Proof?  Usrename   Jul-24-07 01:02 PM   #57 
  - You seem to be living in a world of the simple-minded.  pnwmom   Jul-24-07 12:56 PM   #51 
     - Clinton?  Usrename   Jul-24-07 01:04 PM   #61 
     - You can't compare a blow-job with treason and bribery...  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 01:22 PM   #77 
        - I understand the argument you are making.  Usrename   Jul-24-07 01:41 PM   #89 
        - while I respect your opinion  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 01:47 PM   #92 
        - Out of curiosity, would there be any limits you would put on them?  Usrename   Jul-24-07 02:06 PM   #95 
           - The limits that I would put on them have much more  Blue_Roses   Jul-24-07 02:12 PM   #99 
           - That's just it, it doesn't matter what limits we put on them..  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 02:23 PM   #107 
              - I think Watergate is very instructive on this.  Usrename   Jul-24-07 02:44 PM   #118 
                 - How do you figure?  Virginia Dare   Jul-25-07 08:39 AM   #179 
        - You don't understand that impeachment won't "get rid" of Bush/Cheney.  pnwmom   Jul-24-07 02:25 PM   #109 
           - Cheney would be convicted, without any doubt.  Usrename   Jul-24-07 02:47 PM   #121 
        - How do you help people when Bush vetoes everything? n/t  eridani   Jul-24-07 08:59 PM   #166 
     - Clinton never had a 71% disapproval rating. By contrast, those who vote to acquit  Phredicles   Jul-24-07 01:11 PM   #69 
     - Nobody has ever said Bush would get a pass...n/t  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 02:11 PM   #98 
     - Well that's sort of the definition of the phrase, isn't it?  Usrename   Jul-24-07 02:21 PM   #104 
     - No, I don't think so..  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 02:34 PM   #115 
        - If the only Constitutional method to stop them is impeachment...  Usrename   Jul-24-07 02:49 PM   #123 
        - The way you describe is using it as a partisan tool.  JVS   Jul-24-07 05:41 PM   #141 
           - If the Republicans won't support it, then  Virginia Dare   Jul-25-07 08:37 AM   #178 
     - How is Bush NOT getting a pass? How is he to be held accountable for  Phredicles   Jul-24-07 02:22 PM   #106 
        - How was Nixon ever held accountable  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 02:26 PM   #110 
           - Everyone knows Nixon resigned in disgrace. Nixon knew it, too;  Phredicles   Jul-24-07 02:30 PM   #113 
     - Less than half of the public wants him impeached now, whether they  pnwmom   Jul-24-07 02:27 PM   #111 
        - BARELY less than half. This is not the overwhelming rejection that  Phredicles   Jul-24-07 02:38 PM   #116 
        - But even less than that oppose him being impeached.  JVS   Jul-24-07 05:42 PM   #142 
     - Clinton was a good president, who was unjustly impeached.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-24-07 01:26 PM   #80 
     - 1974. Check it out.  WinkyDink   Jul-24-07 02:55 PM   #127 
     - You just gave me a thought though  Mojorabbit   Jul-25-07 01:30 AM   #174 
  - I usually agree with you Will, but not this time....  rateyes   Jul-24-07 12:52 PM   #41 
  - Hi Palm Frond, didnt you know reason was banned from here 3 months ago  LSK   Jul-24-07 12:52 PM   #44 
  - Conyers LIED to all of US  RFKJr4PRES   Jul-24-07 12:55 PM   #49 
  - Conyers isn't dishonest  creeksneakers2   Jul-24-07 08:57 PM   #165 
  - I said pretty much the same thing here  Gman   Jul-24-07 12:55 PM   #50 
  - And so the options are?  AndyA   Jul-24-07 12:58 PM   #53 
  - I get it ...  Everybody   Jul-24-07 12:59 PM   #55 
  - Look -- this is the equivalent of WATERGATE . .. PLUS . . . Why wouldn't we have impeachment -- ???!  defendandprotect   Jul-24-07 01:02 PM   #58 
  - According to John Dean....and some of us who were around then...Worse than Watergate!  KoKo01   Jul-24-07 01:05 PM   #63 
     - Where's our John Dean?  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 01:40 PM   #88 
  - What will cause the most damage to the Republican Party?  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 01:03 PM   #60 
  - What will cause the most damage to our Constitution, nation, our soldiers -- Iraq -- our Treasury?  defendandprotect   Jul-24-07 01:20 PM   #76 
     - You'd just be replacing these maniacs with more maniacs..  Virginia Dare   Jul-24-07 01:37 PM   #86 
  - If what you're saying is true, then we might as well remove Impeachment from the Constitution  Poiuyt   Jul-24-07 01:05 PM   #62 
  - At if we are ignored...we make our voices heard at the ballot box.  rateyes   Jul-24-07 01:16 PM   #72 
  - Finally, some realism!  mentalsolstice   Jul-24-07 01:07 PM   #66 
  - Why is it not possible for the majority in the House  rateyes   Jul-24-07 01:19 PM   #75 
     - 1 + 1  mentalsolstice   Jul-24-07 01:29 PM   #81 
        - You did not answer my question...  rateyes   Jul-24-07 02:31 PM   #114 
           - We dont have the votes.  sheeptramp   Jul-24-07 02:46 PM   #120 
              - I'm with you. That's why I'm still waiting on the answer to  rateyes   Jul-24-07 02:58 PM   #129 
                 - Nobody is telling you to shut up  mentalsolstice   Jul-24-07 06:21 PM   #156 
  - We have to try and get what we want.  mmonk   Jul-24-07 01:09 PM   #68 
  - Yes, but we have to know the dif between getting a burger our way in 60 seconds  havocmom   Jul-24-07 01:12 PM   #70 
     - If you don't move the roadblocks quick enough,  mmonk   Jul-24-07 01:16 PM   #71 
        - It still takes the manpower, and they don't have the numbers yet.  havocmom   Jul-24-07 01:29 PM   #82 
           - Since we have a pretty big advantage in the House  mmonk   Jul-24-07 01:33 PM   #85 
              - What majority?  Aya Reiko   Jul-24-07 03:36 PM   #131 
              - The work in the House is not gonna get bush/cheney removed  havocmom   Jul-24-07 10:01 PM   #171 
  - John Conyers is a good man. Let's help him move to impeachment proceedings by raising hell  Dollface   Jul-24-07 01:18 PM   #73 
  - Stop posting shit I agree with  incapsulated   Jul-24-07 01:19 PM   #74 
  - Agreed, Will. Folks, we can't play allies like enemies  DinahMoeHum   Jul-24-07 01:32 PM   #84 
  - I respect your work a lot, Mr. Pitt. However,  Phredicles   Jul-24-07 01:37 PM   #87 
  - You right-wing troll!!!  greatauntoftriplets   Jul-24-07 01:41 PM   #90 
  - I was called  PeaceNikki   Jul-24-07 06:19 PM   #155 
     - That is so wrong on so many levels....  greatauntoftriplets   Jul-24-07 06:59 PM   #157 
        - I was terrible...  PeaceNikki   Jul-24-07 07:08 PM   #159 
           - It appears that way.....  greatauntoftriplets   Jul-24-07 09:15 PM   #168 
           - I prefer to think his being a Senator is why he's not moving to impeach RIGHT FUCKING NOW (or ever).  eyesroll   Jul-24-07 09:21 PM   #169 
  - I disagree, and here's why...  warren pease   Jul-24-07 01:52 PM   #93 
  - I don't agree with Dean about executive privilege  creeksneakers2   Jul-24-07 09:09 PM   #167 
     - It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with Dean...  warren pease   Jul-25-07 10:52 AM   #182 
  - Thank You....Brilliant post!  Grandrose   Jul-24-07 02:07 PM   #96 
  - Baloney  OzarkDem   Jul-24-07 02:24 PM   #108 
  - Yo, Palm Frond  leftofthedial   Jul-24-07 02:29 PM   #112 
  - What's this about not retreating?  AntiFascist   Jul-24-07 02:43 PM   #117 
  - Nixon had won in a landslide. I wonder how the Congressional Republicans found their  WinkyDink   Jul-24-07 02:48 PM   #122 
  - Disagree with you about Feingold...  Alexander   Jul-24-07 02:52 PM   #125 
  - Logic is good and so is pragmatism, but this is our country we are  MasonJar   Jul-24-07 02:56 PM   #128 
  - I thought reason and logic aren't allowed here?  Marrah_G   Jul-24-07 03:39 PM   #132 
  - Oh, I think this is called POLITICS  lapislzi   Jul-24-07 04:04 PM   #134 
  - You can always become one of the 'Mole People'  formercia   Jul-24-07 04:15 PM   #136 
  - What happened to your Stalingrad moment?  puebloknot   Jul-24-07 05:32 PM   #138 
  - "Sir, I knew Josef Stalin, and you are no Stalin"  JVS   Jul-24-07 05:47 PM   #143 
  - "Drop a thought"? What an unfortunate choice of wording.  Malikshah   Jul-24-07 05:33 PM   #139 
  - Conyers will impeach, but not TODAY, and that WAS the outrageous demand by some as of late.  mzmolly   Jul-24-07 05:53 PM   #146 
  - time is running out for Conyers and the rest of Congress . . .  OneBlueSky   Jul-24-07 06:14 PM   #152 
     - Indeed, time is running out.  mzmolly   Jul-24-07 06:16 PM   #154 
  - Thank You Will.......  liberalnurse   Jul-24-07 06:05 PM   #149 
  - thank you.  CitizenLeft   Jul-24-07 06:12 PM   #150 
  - Ray McGovern on John Conyers  kenzee13   Jul-24-07 06:59 PM   #158 
  - AGREED. Also,  snot   Jul-25-07 02:25 AM   #175 
  - agree with your post and above response. will pitt...  tomp   Jul-25-07 12:38 PM   #185 
  - Will  proud patriot   Jul-24-07 07:10 PM   #160 
  - Good points, Will. Good points.  SeattleGirl   Jul-24-07 08:36 PM   #163 
  - Hey Will, These Things You Speak Of: (jobs, pay, health, environment, jobs, he's from Detroit, jobs)  WillyT   Jul-24-07 09:43 PM   #170 
  - Good points.  pinto   Jul-25-07 12:31 AM   #172 
  - Why, Will, are you confusing these poor hysterics with reason and reality?  Hekate   Jul-25-07 04:05 AM   #176 
  - K & R. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Jul-25-07 08:18 AM   #177 
  - I love the accessible Will Pitt on this thread, and on the flurry of threads produced yesterday  bigtree   Jul-25-07 08:43 AM   #180 
  - This doesn't fully compute for me  Time for change   Jul-25-07 08:59 AM   #181 
  - sorry, time for change, but will pitt ...  tomp   Jul-25-07 01:08 PM   #186 
  - thanks for taking the time to answer my question.  mimitabby   Jul-25-07 11:06 AM   #183 
 

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