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Response to Reply #42
223. Exactly correct
Clearly if a woman has gotten to the point where she feels the need for it to end, it has already passed the point of being consensual. Frankly, at that point it has already become a form of rape. Once it has reached that point, the woman almost certainly feels violated and the potential for emotional damage has already occurred. This guy got nothing more than he deserved.
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  -If she sas 'NO' and you pull out, is it still a rape? question everything  Feb-06-07 01:39 PM   #0 
  - hmm. well  northzax   Feb-06-07 01:46 PM   #1 
  - article says accuser and accused agree he did not continue to climax  Lance_Boyle   Feb-06-07 01:56 PM   #7 
     - agreed.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:06 PM   #13 
  - Consensual Sex Contract  AndyA   Feb-06-07 01:49 PM   #2 
  - The contract wouldn't matter if she changed her mind during  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 01:55 PM   #5 
     - Unless that was her plan all along  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:02 PM   #9 
     - it's always funny (in a sick way)  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:12 PM   #17 
     - THANK YOU  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:13 PM   #19 
     - Well I'm just a guy  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:19 PM   #25 
     - I'm a guy too, and I don't see that as a valid excuse.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:31 PM   #40 
     - I don't reject that men are raping women  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:43 PM   #59 
     - ThomCat, you're on a roll today!  cat_girl25   Feb-06-07 03:27 PM   #103 
        - I'll go much farther than that  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:35 PM   #157 
           - ThomCat ALWAYS does, from everything I've seen.  blonndee   Feb-06-07 07:59 PM   #172 
           - he's earned my respect  lwfern   Feb-06-07 11:36 PM   #219 
     - withdrawn  Perky   Feb-06-07 05:20 PM   #134 
     - Thank you. n/t  myrna minx   Feb-06-07 02:21 PM   #28 
     - We love luring men into situations that will get them arrested, don't we?  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:35 PM   #45 
     - Of course! To hear some men talk about it,  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #48 
        - My guess is "very unsatisfying"  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:40 PM   #108 
     - I think in this case though, there is a point  EstimatedProphet   Feb-06-07 02:55 PM   #70 
     - Read post #61 below for more on this case.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:22 PM   #96 
     - I did, and I can't argue with you one bit  EstimatedProphet   Feb-06-07 06:07 PM   #140 
     - Exactly.  AchtungToddler   Feb-06-07 08:16 PM   #182 
     - And yet...  wickedcity   Feb-06-07 09:27 PM   #195 
     - Oh here we go...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:12 PM   #18 
     - I think that something like that happens in a very narrow  question everything   Feb-06-07 02:22 PM   #30 
        - if this hypothetical woman is in fear for her life...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:28 PM   #37 
           - Was just an observation  question everything   Feb-06-07 02:59 PM   #74 
     - Only a third of rape cases are ever even reported  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-06-07 02:14 PM   #20 
     - The incidence of false rape reports is no different than for other  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:27 PM   #153 
        - So even thinking about such a possiblity makes one a paranoid delusional  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 09:52 PM   #203 
           - Wellllll.....  Morgana LaFey   Feb-07-07 07:58 PM   #233 
     - I see you've discovered  Marie26   Feb-06-07 07:03 PM   #150 
     - and maybe the fuckin jackass who can't pull his dick out  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:10 PM   #15 
        - Ok, help me out here  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 02:25 PM   #34 
           - Thank you  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:29 PM   #38 
           - band together boys!  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:35 PM   #44 
              - There's always a group of guys who give that impression  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:37 PM   #50 
                 - I'm not generalizing all or even most DU men but you're right...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:39 PM   #55 
                 - I wonder if those guys are related to the guys who said  Tansy_Gold   Feb-06-07 03:06 PM   #81 
                    - Yes, I'm sure it's some of the very same guys.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 03:11 PM   #89 
                       - but you see, as long as they give her cabfare, they're gentlemen  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:14 PM   #91 
                          - Oh yes.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 03:24 PM   #99 
                             - At this point, as an observer reading this thread...  Bonobo   Feb-06-07 08:03 PM   #175 
                             - Did you catch the deleted post below?  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 08:14 PM   #180 
                             - No, missed that. What's up?  Bonobo   Feb-06-07 08:21 PM   #184 
                                - It set a pretty nasty tone.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 08:26 PM   #185 
                                   - Okay, well I'm gonna stay clear. Thanks for the heads-up.  Bonobo   Feb-06-07 08:27 PM   #186 
                             - I'm not sure you're allowed to say that.....  Porcupine   Feb-06-07 10:30 PM   #208 
                             - yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 11:16 PM   #216 
                                - Yes, it is  question everything   Feb-08-07 11:15 AM   #236 
                             - oh please.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 11:22 PM   #217 
                             - ..  mongo   Feb-07-07 11:35 AM   #226 
                             - Dinner beforehand, cabfare afterward  Tansy_Gold   Feb-06-07 10:27 PM   #207 
           - I see, so your hypothetical man is soooooo attuned to his body  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:33 PM   #41 
           - oh my  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 02:39 PM   #56 
              - LOL hate??!!  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:50 PM   #66 
           - Okay, what was that guy doing  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:34 PM   #43 
           - Who said anything about violence or intimidation?  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #54 
              - I brought up violence and intimidation because  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:50 PM   #65 
              - good points  formernaderite   Feb-07-07 12:39 PM   #229 
           - Read post #61 for more. This was not a case of "consent" that was repealed.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:27 PM   #102 
  - If and when a woman says "No"  Goblinmonger   Feb-06-07 01:51 PM   #3 
  - Agree, but this is confusing  question everything   Feb-06-07 01:55 PM   #6 
  - I don't think that's fair. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #46 
  - "she wanted him to stop; he did so within a matter of seconds"  Turn CO Blue   Feb-06-07 07:31 PM   #155 
  - Please read the whole thread including the details of this case.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 07:46 PM   #163 
  - If that's what really happened, then the ruling was fucked.  TankLV   Feb-06-07 09:25 PM   #194 
  - I don't know--  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:00 PM   #8 
  - I really want to know what these "other sex offenses" were...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:16 PM   #22 
     - Possibly.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:20 PM   #26 
        - There are too many pieces missing to assume  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:25 PM   #33 
           - It sounds as though the article implies that the jury may have misunderstood  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:29 PM   #39 
              - I would need to know what was said to the jury.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #51 
                 - Okay--  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:43 PM   #60 
                    - *sigh*  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:56 PM   #71 
                       - See below.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 03:07 PM   #84 
                          - thank you for that.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:09 PM   #86 
  - The article suggests that weakens and cheapens the concept  depakid   Feb-06-07 02:09 PM   #14 
  - seems pretty difficult to me. at SOME point a woman needs to have  seabeyond   Feb-06-07 02:22 PM   #31 
     - this is NOT a man/woman issue to me.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:08 PM   #85 
        - i read post #61. totally different story than op n/t  seabeyond   Feb-06-07 03:53 PM   #116 
  - This is why everyone should videotape all of their sexual encounters.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 01:52 PM   #4 
  - Yup. Or bring witnesses.  TahitiNut   Feb-06-07 02:33 PM   # 
  - "At a certain point during arousal, we don't have complete control over our ability to stop,"  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 02:02 PM   #10 
  - You're right. It's total bullshit.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:15 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, the "guys are really just walking hard-ons" excuse doesn't wash.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:27 PM   #36 
  - however- that ability can vary from man to man as well...  QuestionAll   Feb-06-07 02:27 PM   #35 
  - Um, even in the throes or orgasm one can pull out.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #52 
  - blanket statements are almost never true.  QuestionAll   Feb-06-07 03:30 PM   #104 
  - perhaps more "animalistic" people who can't pull out should be  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:33 PM   #105 
  - This case was decided by a jury... who heard details not printed in Time  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:38 PM   #107 
  - lol, um I'm not a man for one... and I have never met a feminist that has said  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:42 PM   #109 
  - "...people who get more...animalistic..."  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 04:20 PM   #124 
  - do you have a penis ? nt  rzr77   Feb-06-07 04:42 PM   #129 
     - Is that a relevant question?  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 06:16 PM   #143 
        - Maybe he's taking a pole.  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 07:55 PM   #169 
  - Coitus interruptus is something us older guys are probably more familiar with than younger ones.  TahitiNut   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #53 
  - More bullshit.  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 02:45 PM   #63 
     - and of course since it never happens to YOU, it never happens...  QuestionAll   Feb-06-07 03:26 PM   #101 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 03:44 PM   #111 
        - Please be specific.  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 04:17 PM   #123 
  - Amen. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #49 
  - I think it's an appropriate legal protection  Strawman   Feb-06-07 02:03 PM   # 
  - I'm pretty sure the Maryland high court will overturn this one. n/t  tabasco   Feb-06-07 02:16 PM   #23 
  - As soon as one of the two says no, it should end  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-06-07 02:03 PM   #11 
  - "At a certain point during arousal, we don't have complete control over our ability to stop,"  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:04 PM   #12 
  - What she said...  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 02:39 PM   #57 
     - hey you  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:41 PM   #58 
        - Hey...  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 02:54 PM   #69 
  - I think the subject line could apply to Iraq.  Lastlaughin08   Feb-06-07 02:11 PM   #16 
  - Yes it is in IMHO. Suppose she becomes afraid that since there is no protection she could get  Sapere aude   Feb-06-07 02:18 PM   #24 
  - That jury's freaking moronic...  Hobarticus   Feb-06-07 02:21 PM   #27 
  - this will never fly in court  turtlensue   Feb-06-07 02:21 PM   #29 
  - Well that's it. Time to stop breeding and give the cockroaches a chance.  KenHodson   Feb-06-07 02:24 PM   #32 
  - Wait--they don't?  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:45 PM   #62 
  - If a woman tells you to stop, you stop, period, immediately, end of story.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:33 PM   #42 
  - If at any point consent is withdrawn by either party, all activity should stop immediately  Caution   Feb-06-07 02:53 PM   #68 
  - Amen.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:45 PM   #112 
  - Exactly correct  whopis01   Feb-07-07 11:09 AM   #223 
  - There's plenty of internet porn available, guys  Jonathan50   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #47 
  - Did YOU read post #61?  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:53 PM   #166 
  - Fuck the media and everyone who buys into their sexist bullshit  lwfern   Feb-06-07 02:44 PM   #61 
  - Thanks for the new info.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:48 PM   #64 
  - Shocking and disgusting. Thank you for posting that. You're 100% right...  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 02:53 PM   #67 
  - When ever it's an issue of someone getting victimized  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:57 PM   #72 
  - I'm With Ya, Thom  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:01 PM   #76 
  - the convicted rapist complied "within seconds"  maxsolomon   Feb-06-07 03:13 PM   #90 
  - Keep Reading, Max  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:20 PM   #94 
  - My husband STILL asks me and we're married and I'm pregnant.  Clark2008   Feb-06-07 09:39 PM   #198 
  - Well, That Changes The Story Quite A Bit Now Doesn't It?  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 02:58 PM   #73 
  - Yes, though I'd use stronger language  lwfern   Feb-06-07 03:05 PM   #80 
  - There Is No Consent Under Duress  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:17 PM   #92 
     - But Maryland and South Carolina don't allow someone to change his/her mind  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:20 PM   #95 
  - indeed  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 03:10 PM   #87 
  - THANK YOU for this missing info.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:01 PM   #75 
  - The Whole Story In Time Is Now Just Ridiculous, No?  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:02 PM   #77 
     - well at least we're not the ones eating crow on this thread...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:05 PM   #79 
        - Boy, Am I Glad I Read The Whole Thread Before Commenting  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:18 PM   #93 
  - OK, now the OP, and the Jury's question makes less sense...  Solon   Feb-06-07 03:04 PM   #78 
  - what makes even less sense  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:06 PM   #82 
  - I think it was prosecutoral stupidity myself...  Solon   Feb-06-07 03:49 PM   #114 
     - Absolutely right. Coerced consent is not consent.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 03:58 PM   #119 
        - Yeah, and here I am assuming this is settled law...  Solon   Feb-06-07 04:13 PM   #122 
  - I agree. This was a rape before he "stuck it in her". Disgusting.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:23 PM   #98 
     - But the court still considered  Marie26   Feb-06-07 04:12 PM   #121 
        - Unreal, isn't it?  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 04:27 PM   #126 
  - Great Find. That's An Entirely Different Story Than What The Media Is Reporting  Yavin4   Feb-06-07 03:06 PM   #83 
  - The media trying to make this into a repealed consent issue is terrifying.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:25 PM   #100 
     - And check out who they're quoting  Marie26   Feb-06-07 08:12 PM   #178 
        - I just checked out his website  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 08:44 PM   #188 
        - That's it  Marie26   Feb-06-07 09:46 PM   #201 
        - Ugh, I missed that.  lwfern   Feb-06-07 08:49 PM   #189 
  - Thank you.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:46 PM   #113 
  - lwfern, thank you  Marie26   Feb-06-07 03:56 PM   #118 
  - I don't remember where I saw it  lwfern   Feb-06-07 08:12 PM   #179 
  - I've never written a letter to Time before  Radical Activist   Feb-06-07 04:10 PM   #120 
  - The article is awful  Marie26   Feb-06-07 07:54 PM   #167 
  - Holy cow.  JerseygirlCT   Feb-06-07 07:41 PM   #160 
  - Thank you. I was hoping for clarification from anyone who was  question everything   Feb-07-07 10:45 AM   #222 
  - Um... she was eighteen at the time, a college student  question everything   Feb-08-07 11:51 AM   #237 
  - If it's Iraq, the U.S. should try it and see whether it can beat the rap.  damntexdem   Feb-06-07 03:10 PM   #88 
  - We need to pull out of Iraq and stop THAT rape.  helderheid   Feb-06-07 03:23 PM   #97 
  - Are you saying that in Maryland and North Carolina if sex becomes painful the participants are  Czolgosz   Feb-06-07 03:38 PM   #106 
  - That is correct.  Marie26   Feb-06-07 03:51 PM   #115 
  - It should not go much further than this...  sjbech   Feb-06-07 03:42 PM   #110 
  - I think it depends on what was said to get the woman to have sex...  Xenotime   Feb-06-07 03:55 PM   #117 
  - Not unless she never agreed to begin with.  MrSlayer   Feb-06-07 04:24 PM   #125 
  - So if someone changes their mind, is it a breach of contract?  mmonk   Feb-06-07 04:34 PM   #127 
  - I had read the whole thread when I made my comment  Jonathan50   Feb-06-07 04:35 PM   #128 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 04:54 PM   #130 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-06-07 04:55 PM   #131 
  - Read the details of the case.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 05:03 PM   #132 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 05:05 PM   #133 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 05:27 PM   #136 
  - Ah, I doubt it. Sounds to me like  blonndee   Feb-06-07 05:29 PM   #137 
     - you're probably right...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 05:33 PM   #138 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 05:36 PM   #139 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 06:51 PM   #148 
  - Dude, read the description  EstimatedProphet   Feb-06-07 06:14 PM   #142 
  - LOL don't worry, we don't!  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 06:47 PM   #147 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-06-07 06:18 PM   #146 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-06-07 07:10 PM   #152 
  - Yep, we have it sooooooooo easy - lying about being raped PWNS!!111!!!!111  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:31 PM   #154 
  - Do yourself a favor and read post #61 nt  JerseygirlCT   Feb-06-07 07:42 PM   #161 
  - Self-delete, apparently I can't read a thread properly sorry lol.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:44 PM   #162 
  - You advocate and instigate "payback" against a woman who says no?  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 07:50 PM   #164 
  - that's a wtf post if I've ever seen one  fishwax   Feb-06-07 07:55 PM   #168 
     - It's gone.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:56 PM   #170 
        - Did he come back and try to defend that?  blonndee   Feb-06-07 08:16 PM   #183 
           - See post # 196. nt  rzr77   Feb-06-07 09:36 PM   #197 
           - dammit nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-07-07 11:11 AM   #224 
  - Of Course it is.. If you don't stop you are a selfish pig. N/T  Perky   Feb-06-07 05:25 PM   #135 
  - I'm recommending this thread, and here's why.  lwfern   Feb-06-07 06:09 PM   #141 
  - Me too, well said. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 06:17 PM   #144 
  - I will join you in that receommendation and add to it.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 06:18 PM   #145 
  - Great post  Marie26   Feb-06-07 07:36 PM   #158 
  - wish I could 'recommend' this post.  salin   Feb-07-07 10:29 AM   #221 
  - y'know, i'm reaLLy snickersed out right now  sniffa   Feb-06-07 06:54 PM   #149 
  - In this case, if events really happened as pointed out in #61, the two males were rapists.  piedmont   Feb-06-07 07:06 PM   #151 
  - 1 second and 10 minutes are very very different -- in between is not a grey area -  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:35 PM   #156 
     - Katherine!  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:52 PM   #165 
     - Okay, fair, I didn't actually count it out - it IS too long -  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:58 PM   #171 
        - Exactly right  Morgana LaFey   Feb-07-07 07:55 PM   #232 
     - I said *somewhere* between 1 second and 10 minutes  piedmont   Feb-07-07 10:17 AM   #220 
  - "The murkiness surrounding what's reasonable has deepened further  salinen   Feb-06-07 07:40 PM   #159 
  - If I was fucking and she started saying no no no!  Rex   Feb-06-07 07:59 PM   #173 
  - There is a lot more to the story than the OP revealed.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 08:02 PM   #174 
     - The whole thing sounds strange, it is a slippery slope  Rex   Feb-06-07 08:08 PM   #176 
        - Like I said, post 61 --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 08:12 PM   #177 
           - Yeah I saw the left out testamony the M$M didn't mention.  Rex   Feb-06-07 08:15 PM   #181 
           - The question though is what is considered "immediately"?  file83   Feb-06-07 09:04 PM   #190 
              - Radical feminists have a lot in common with xtian fundies, imo  rzr77   Feb-06-07 09:34 PM   #196 
              - Is ignorance really bliss, rzr?? If so, you must be on "Cloud 9®"  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 09:52 PM   #202 
              - Hi, Rush! I'd heard the rumors you visited here  blonndee   Feb-06-07 09:55 PM   #204 
              - here's a feminist perspective on sex for you  VelmaD   Feb-07-07 12:33 PM   #228 
              - Whatever, it's not like rad fems to tolerate any real debate anyway. nt  rzr77   Feb-07-07 05:11 PM   #231 
                 - yeah, 'cause comparing feminists you don't like to xtian fundies...  VelmaD   Feb-08-07 09:17 AM   #235 
              - Rape is not sex.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-08-07 11:53 AM   #238 
              - Did you make up that version while you were smoking crack?  lwfern   Feb-06-07 10:46 PM   #211 
              - what a mess this case is  renate   Feb-07-07 12:23 PM   #227 
  - Flipped my lid  Madspirit   Feb-06-07 08:32 PM   #187 
  - *sigh* I wish I was shocked  salin   Feb-06-07 09:12 PM   #191 
  - It shocks me  Marie26   Feb-06-07 09:21 PM   #193 
     - agreed - but on most threads,  salin   Feb-06-07 09:43 PM   #200 
  - My biggest surprise  Madspirit   Feb-06-07 09:41 PM   #199 
  - I'm in a permanent relationship, so my case is moot, but it's a fucked situation if it gets to that  TankLV   Feb-06-07 09:15 PM   #192 
  - nice. prison rape of males is humorous, yet rape of females is crisis. nt  rzr77   Feb-06-07 10:12 PM   #205 
     - I thought you said raping females was "payback"  blonndee   Feb-06-07 10:14 PM   #206 
        - ~  Lars39   Feb-06-07 10:32 PM   #209 
        - Beats me...and there's another one around too.  blonndee   Feb-06-07 10:33 PM   #210 
        - I never said that - let the mods pull it back up and check it.  rzr77   Feb-06-07 10:50 PM   #212 
           - Didn't you say that a girl who stopped in the middle of sex  blonndee   Feb-06-07 10:53 PM   #213 
              - I think she does deserve some type of justice  rzr77   Feb-06-07 10:58 PM   #214 
                 - Thanks for the clarification.  blonndee   Feb-06-07 11:02 PM   #215 
                 - You seem to be operating under the delusion that this happens a lot --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-07-07 11:15 AM   #225 
                 - ?  Madspirit   Feb-07-07 12:50 PM   #230 
  - "we don't have complete control over our ability to stop" - Mel Feit  951-Riverside   Feb-06-07 11:30 PM   #218 
  - apart from the legal issue, I wouldn't WANT to continue if she said stop.  yurbud   Feb-07-07 10:46 PM   #234 
 

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