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74. Was just an observation
and obviously does not apply to this case or to most cases.

But there are still societies and families where a woman has to stay virgin until her father, or another male member of the family "allows" her to move to the hands of another man - her husband.

Yet, as we know, strong emotions do not always obey the rules. This is why most of us realize the futility of telling teenagers to abstain.

And when a woman in a strict society does find herself in love and following her emotions and then realizes what has happened, crying rape may save her life, or so she thinks.
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  -If she sas 'NO' and you pull out, is it still a rape? question everything  Feb-06-07 01:39 PM   #0 
  - hmm. well  northzax   Feb-06-07 01:46 PM   #1 
  - article says accuser and accused agree he did not continue to climax  Lance_Boyle   Feb-06-07 01:56 PM   #7 
     - agreed.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:06 PM   #13 
  - Consensual Sex Contract  AndyA   Feb-06-07 01:49 PM   #2 
  - The contract wouldn't matter if she changed her mind during  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 01:55 PM   #5 
     - Unless that was her plan all along  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:02 PM   #9 
     - it's always funny (in a sick way)  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:12 PM   #17 
     - THANK YOU  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:13 PM   #19 
     - Well I'm just a guy  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:19 PM   #25 
     - I'm a guy too, and I don't see that as a valid excuse.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:31 PM   #40 
     - I don't reject that men are raping women  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:43 PM   #59 
     - ThomCat, you're on a roll today!  cat_girl25   Feb-06-07 03:27 PM   #103 
        - I'll go much farther than that  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:35 PM   #157 
           - ThomCat ALWAYS does, from everything I've seen.  blonndee   Feb-06-07 07:59 PM   #172 
           - he's earned my respect  lwfern   Feb-06-07 11:36 PM   #219 
     - withdrawn  Perky   Feb-06-07 05:20 PM   #134 
     - Thank you. n/t  myrna minx   Feb-06-07 02:21 PM   #28 
     - We love luring men into situations that will get them arrested, don't we?  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:35 PM   #45 
     - Of course! To hear some men talk about it,  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #48 
        - My guess is "very unsatisfying"  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:40 PM   #108 
     - I think in this case though, there is a point  EstimatedProphet   Feb-06-07 02:55 PM   #70 
     - Read post #61 below for more on this case.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:22 PM   #96 
     - I did, and I can't argue with you one bit  EstimatedProphet   Feb-06-07 06:07 PM   #140 
     - Exactly.  AchtungToddler   Feb-06-07 08:16 PM   #182 
     - And yet...  wickedcity   Feb-06-07 09:27 PM   #195 
     - Oh here we go...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:12 PM   #18 
     - I think that something like that happens in a very narrow  question everything   Feb-06-07 02:22 PM   #30 
        - if this hypothetical woman is in fear for her life...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:28 PM   #37 
           - Was just an observation  question everything   Feb-06-07 02:59 PM   #74 
     - Only a third of rape cases are ever even reported  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-06-07 02:14 PM   #20 
     - The incidence of false rape reports is no different than for other  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:27 PM   #153 
        - So even thinking about such a possiblity makes one a paranoid delusional  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 09:52 PM   #203 
           - Wellllll.....  Morgana LaFey   Feb-07-07 07:58 PM   #233 
     - I see you've discovered  Marie26   Feb-06-07 07:03 PM   #150 
     - and maybe the fuckin jackass who can't pull his dick out  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:10 PM   #15 
        - Ok, help me out here  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 02:25 PM   #34 
           - Thank you  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 02:29 PM   #38 
           - band together boys!  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:35 PM   #44 
              - There's always a group of guys who give that impression  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:37 PM   #50 
                 - I'm not generalizing all or even most DU men but you're right...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:39 PM   #55 
                 - I wonder if those guys are related to the guys who said  Tansy_Gold   Feb-06-07 03:06 PM   #81 
                    - Yes, I'm sure it's some of the very same guys.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 03:11 PM   #89 
                       - but you see, as long as they give her cabfare, they're gentlemen  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:14 PM   #91 
                          - Oh yes.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 03:24 PM   #99 
                             - At this point, as an observer reading this thread...  Bonobo   Feb-06-07 08:03 PM   #175 
                             - Did you catch the deleted post below?  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 08:14 PM   #180 
                             - No, missed that. What's up?  Bonobo   Feb-06-07 08:21 PM   #184 
                                - It set a pretty nasty tone.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 08:26 PM   #185 
                                   - Okay, well I'm gonna stay clear. Thanks for the heads-up.  Bonobo   Feb-06-07 08:27 PM   #186 
                             - I'm not sure you're allowed to say that.....  Porcupine   Feb-06-07 10:30 PM   #208 
                             - yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 11:16 PM   #216 
                                - Yes, it is  question everything   Feb-08-07 11:15 AM   #236 
                             - oh please.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 11:22 PM   #217 
                             - ..  mongo   Feb-07-07 11:35 AM   #226 
                             - Dinner beforehand, cabfare afterward  Tansy_Gold   Feb-06-07 10:27 PM   #207 
           - I see, so your hypothetical man is soooooo attuned to his body  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:33 PM   #41 
           - oh my  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 02:39 PM   #56 
              - LOL hate??!!  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:50 PM   #66 
           - Okay, what was that guy doing  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:34 PM   #43 
           - Who said anything about violence or intimidation?  Jacobin   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #54 
              - I brought up violence and intimidation because  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:50 PM   #65 
              - good points  formernaderite   Feb-07-07 12:39 PM   #229 
           - Read post #61 for more. This was not a case of "consent" that was repealed.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:27 PM   #102 
  - If and when a woman says "No"  Goblinmonger   Feb-06-07 01:51 PM   #3 
  - Agree, but this is confusing  question everything   Feb-06-07 01:55 PM   #6 
  - I don't think that's fair. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #46 
  - "she wanted him to stop; he did so within a matter of seconds"  Turn CO Blue   Feb-06-07 07:31 PM   #155 
  - Please read the whole thread including the details of this case.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 07:46 PM   #163 
  - If that's what really happened, then the ruling was fucked.  TankLV   Feb-06-07 09:25 PM   #194 
  - I don't know--  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:00 PM   #8 
  - I really want to know what these "other sex offenses" were...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:16 PM   #22 
     - Possibly.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:20 PM   #26 
        - There are too many pieces missing to assume  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:25 PM   #33 
           - It sounds as though the article implies that the jury may have misunderstood  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:29 PM   #39 
              - I would need to know what was said to the jury.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #51 
                 - Okay--  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:43 PM   #60 
                    - *sigh*  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:56 PM   #71 
                       - See below.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 03:07 PM   #84 
                          - thank you for that.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:09 PM   #86 
  - The article suggests that weakens and cheapens the concept  depakid   Feb-06-07 02:09 PM   #14 
  - seems pretty difficult to me. at SOME point a woman needs to have  seabeyond   Feb-06-07 02:22 PM   #31 
     - this is NOT a man/woman issue to me.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:08 PM   #85 
        - i read post #61. totally different story than op n/t  seabeyond   Feb-06-07 03:53 PM   #116 
  - This is why everyone should videotape all of their sexual encounters.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 01:52 PM   #4 
  - Yup. Or bring witnesses.  TahitiNut   Feb-06-07 02:33 PM   # 
  - "At a certain point during arousal, we don't have complete control over our ability to stop,"  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 02:02 PM   #10 
  - You're right. It's total bullshit.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:15 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, the "guys are really just walking hard-ons" excuse doesn't wash.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:27 PM   #36 
  - however- that ability can vary from man to man as well...  QuestionAll   Feb-06-07 02:27 PM   #35 
  - Um, even in the throes or orgasm one can pull out.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #52 
  - blanket statements are almost never true.  QuestionAll   Feb-06-07 03:30 PM   #104 
  - perhaps more "animalistic" people who can't pull out should be  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:33 PM   #105 
  - This case was decided by a jury... who heard details not printed in Time  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:38 PM   #107 
  - lol, um I'm not a man for one... and I have never met a feminist that has said  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:42 PM   #109 
  - "...people who get more...animalistic..."  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 04:20 PM   #124 
  - do you have a penis ? nt  rzr77   Feb-06-07 04:42 PM   #129 
     - Is that a relevant question?  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 06:16 PM   #143 
        - Maybe he's taking a pole.  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 07:55 PM   #169 
  - Coitus interruptus is something us older guys are probably more familiar with than younger ones.  TahitiNut   Feb-06-07 02:38 PM   #53 
  - More bullshit.  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 02:45 PM   #63 
     - and of course since it never happens to YOU, it never happens...  QuestionAll   Feb-06-07 03:26 PM   #101 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 03:44 PM   #111 
        - Please be specific.  Opposite Reaction   Feb-06-07 04:17 PM   #123 
  - Amen. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #49 
  - I think it's an appropriate legal protection  Strawman   Feb-06-07 02:03 PM   # 
  - I'm pretty sure the Maryland high court will overturn this one. n/t  tabasco   Feb-06-07 02:16 PM   #23 
  - As soon as one of the two says no, it should end  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-06-07 02:03 PM   #11 
  - "At a certain point during arousal, we don't have complete control over our ability to stop,"  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:04 PM   #12 
  - What she said...  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 02:39 PM   #57 
     - hey you  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 02:41 PM   #58 
        - Hey...  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 02:54 PM   #69 
  - I think the subject line could apply to Iraq.  Lastlaughin08   Feb-06-07 02:11 PM   #16 
  - Yes it is in IMHO. Suppose she becomes afraid that since there is no protection she could get  Sapere aude   Feb-06-07 02:18 PM   #24 
  - That jury's freaking moronic...  Hobarticus   Feb-06-07 02:21 PM   #27 
  - this will never fly in court  turtlensue   Feb-06-07 02:21 PM   #29 
  - Well that's it. Time to stop breeding and give the cockroaches a chance.  KenHodson   Feb-06-07 02:24 PM   #32 
  - Wait--they don't?  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:45 PM   #62 
  - If a woman tells you to stop, you stop, period, immediately, end of story.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 02:33 PM   #42 
  - If at any point consent is withdrawn by either party, all activity should stop immediately  Caution   Feb-06-07 02:53 PM   #68 
  - Amen.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:45 PM   #112 
  - Exactly correct  whopis01   Feb-07-07 11:09 AM   #223 
  - There's plenty of internet porn available, guys  Jonathan50   Feb-06-07 02:36 PM   #47 
  - Did YOU read post #61?  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:53 PM   #166 
  - Fuck the media and everyone who buys into their sexist bullshit  lwfern   Feb-06-07 02:44 PM   #61 
  - Thanks for the new info.  smoogatz   Feb-06-07 02:48 PM   #64 
  - Shocking and disgusting. Thank you for posting that. You're 100% right...  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 02:53 PM   #67 
  - When ever it's an issue of someone getting victimized  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 02:57 PM   #72 
  - I'm With Ya, Thom  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:01 PM   #76 
  - the convicted rapist complied "within seconds"  maxsolomon   Feb-06-07 03:13 PM   #90 
  - Keep Reading, Max  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:20 PM   #94 
  - My husband STILL asks me and we're married and I'm pregnant.  Clark2008   Feb-06-07 09:39 PM   #198 
  - Well, That Changes The Story Quite A Bit Now Doesn't It?  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 02:58 PM   #73 
  - Yes, though I'd use stronger language  lwfern   Feb-06-07 03:05 PM   #80 
  - There Is No Consent Under Duress  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:17 PM   #92 
     - But Maryland and South Carolina don't allow someone to change his/her mind  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:20 PM   #95 
  - indeed  rockymountaindem   Feb-06-07 03:10 PM   #87 
  - THANK YOU for this missing info.  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:01 PM   #75 
  - The Whole Story In Time Is Now Just Ridiculous, No?  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:02 PM   #77 
     - well at least we're not the ones eating crow on this thread...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:05 PM   #79 
        - Boy, Am I Glad I Read The Whole Thread Before Commenting  ProfessorGAC   Feb-06-07 03:18 PM   #93 
  - OK, now the OP, and the Jury's question makes less sense...  Solon   Feb-06-07 03:04 PM   #78 
  - what makes even less sense  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 03:06 PM   #82 
  - I think it was prosecutoral stupidity myself...  Solon   Feb-06-07 03:49 PM   #114 
     - Absolutely right. Coerced consent is not consent.  ThomCat   Feb-06-07 03:58 PM   #119 
        - Yeah, and here I am assuming this is settled law...  Solon   Feb-06-07 04:13 PM   #122 
  - I agree. This was a rape before he "stuck it in her". Disgusting.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:23 PM   #98 
     - But the court still considered  Marie26   Feb-06-07 04:12 PM   #121 
        - Unreal, isn't it?  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 04:27 PM   #126 
  - Great Find. That's An Entirely Different Story Than What The Media Is Reporting  Yavin4   Feb-06-07 03:06 PM   #83 
  - The media trying to make this into a repealed consent issue is terrifying.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 03:25 PM   #100 
     - And check out who they're quoting  Marie26   Feb-06-07 08:12 PM   #178 
        - I just checked out his website  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 08:44 PM   #188 
        - That's it  Marie26   Feb-06-07 09:46 PM   #201 
        - Ugh, I missed that.  lwfern   Feb-06-07 08:49 PM   #189 
  - Thank you.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 03:46 PM   #113 
  - lwfern, thank you  Marie26   Feb-06-07 03:56 PM   #118 
  - I don't remember where I saw it  lwfern   Feb-06-07 08:12 PM   #179 
  - I've never written a letter to Time before  Radical Activist   Feb-06-07 04:10 PM   #120 
  - The article is awful  Marie26   Feb-06-07 07:54 PM   #167 
  - Holy cow.  JerseygirlCT   Feb-06-07 07:41 PM   #160 
  - Thank you. I was hoping for clarification from anyone who was  question everything   Feb-07-07 10:45 AM   #222 
  - Um... she was eighteen at the time, a college student  question everything   Feb-08-07 11:51 AM   #237 
  - If it's Iraq, the U.S. should try it and see whether it can beat the rap.  damntexdem   Feb-06-07 03:10 PM   #88 
  - We need to pull out of Iraq and stop THAT rape.  helderheid   Feb-06-07 03:23 PM   #97 
  - Are you saying that in Maryland and North Carolina if sex becomes painful the participants are  Czolgosz   Feb-06-07 03:38 PM   #106 
  - That is correct.  Marie26   Feb-06-07 03:51 PM   #115 
  - It should not go much further than this...  sjbech   Feb-06-07 03:42 PM   #110 
  - I think it depends on what was said to get the woman to have sex...  Xenotime   Feb-06-07 03:55 PM   #117 
  - Not unless she never agreed to begin with.  MrSlayer   Feb-06-07 04:24 PM   #125 
  - So if someone changes their mind, is it a breach of contract?  mmonk   Feb-06-07 04:34 PM   #127 
  - I had read the whole thread when I made my comment  Jonathan50   Feb-06-07 04:35 PM   #128 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 04:54 PM   #130 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-06-07 04:55 PM   #131 
  - Read the details of the case.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 05:03 PM   #132 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 05:05 PM   #133 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 05:27 PM   #136 
  - Ah, I doubt it. Sounds to me like  blonndee   Feb-06-07 05:29 PM   #137 
     - you're probably right...  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 05:33 PM   #138 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 05:36 PM   #139 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 06:51 PM   #148 
  - Dude, read the description  EstimatedProphet   Feb-06-07 06:14 PM   #142 
  - LOL don't worry, we don't!  FarceOfNature   Feb-06-07 06:47 PM   #147 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-06-07 06:18 PM   #146 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-06-07 07:10 PM   #152 
  - Yep, we have it sooooooooo easy - lying about being raped PWNS!!111!!!!111  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:31 PM   #154 
  - Do yourself a favor and read post #61 nt  JerseygirlCT   Feb-06-07 07:42 PM   #161 
  - Self-delete, apparently I can't read a thread properly sorry lol.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:44 PM   #162 
  - You advocate and instigate "payback" against a woman who says no?  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 07:50 PM   #164 
  - that's a wtf post if I've ever seen one  fishwax   Feb-06-07 07:55 PM   #168 
     - It's gone.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:56 PM   #170 
        - Did he come back and try to defend that?  blonndee   Feb-06-07 08:16 PM   #183 
           - See post # 196. nt  rzr77   Feb-06-07 09:36 PM   #197 
           - dammit nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-07-07 11:11 AM   #224 
  - Of Course it is.. If you don't stop you are a selfish pig. N/T  Perky   Feb-06-07 05:25 PM   #135 
  - I'm recommending this thread, and here's why.  lwfern   Feb-06-07 06:09 PM   #141 
  - Me too, well said. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 06:17 PM   #144 
  - I will join you in that receommendation and add to it.  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 06:18 PM   #145 
  - Great post  Marie26   Feb-06-07 07:36 PM   #158 
  - wish I could 'recommend' this post.  salin   Feb-07-07 10:29 AM   #221 
  - y'know, i'm reaLLy snickersed out right now  sniffa   Feb-06-07 06:54 PM   #149 
  - In this case, if events really happened as pointed out in #61, the two males were rapists.  piedmont   Feb-06-07 07:06 PM   #151 
  - 1 second and 10 minutes are very very different -- in between is not a grey area -  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:35 PM   #156 
     - Katherine!  Morgana LaFey   Feb-06-07 07:52 PM   #165 
     - Okay, fair, I didn't actually count it out - it IS too long -  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 07:58 PM   #171 
        - Exactly right  Morgana LaFey   Feb-07-07 07:55 PM   #232 
     - I said *somewhere* between 1 second and 10 minutes  piedmont   Feb-07-07 10:17 AM   #220 
  - "The murkiness surrounding what's reasonable has deepened further  salinen   Feb-06-07 07:40 PM   #159 
  - If I was fucking and she started saying no no no!  Rex   Feb-06-07 07:59 PM   #173 
  - There is a lot more to the story than the OP revealed.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 08:02 PM   #174 
     - The whole thing sounds strange, it is a slippery slope  Rex   Feb-06-07 08:08 PM   #176 
        - Like I said, post 61 --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-06-07 08:12 PM   #177 
           - Yeah I saw the left out testamony the M$M didn't mention.  Rex   Feb-06-07 08:15 PM   #181 
           - The question though is what is considered "immediately"?  file83   Feb-06-07 09:04 PM   #190 
              - Radical feminists have a lot in common with xtian fundies, imo  rzr77   Feb-06-07 09:34 PM   #196 
              - Is ignorance really bliss, rzr?? If so, you must be on "Cloud 9®"  HoneyBee   Feb-06-07 09:52 PM   #202 
              - Hi, Rush! I'd heard the rumors you visited here  blonndee   Feb-06-07 09:55 PM   #204 
              - here's a feminist perspective on sex for you  VelmaD   Feb-07-07 12:33 PM   #228 
              - Whatever, it's not like rad fems to tolerate any real debate anyway. nt  rzr77   Feb-07-07 05:11 PM   #231 
                 - yeah, 'cause comparing feminists you don't like to xtian fundies...  VelmaD   Feb-08-07 09:17 AM   #235 
              - Rape is not sex.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-08-07 11:53 AM   #238 
              - Did you make up that version while you were smoking crack?  lwfern   Feb-06-07 10:46 PM   #211 
              - what a mess this case is  renate   Feb-07-07 12:23 PM   #227 
  - Flipped my lid  Madspirit   Feb-06-07 08:32 PM   #187 
  - *sigh* I wish I was shocked  salin   Feb-06-07 09:12 PM   #191 
  - It shocks me  Marie26   Feb-06-07 09:21 PM   #193 
     - agreed - but on most threads,  salin   Feb-06-07 09:43 PM   #200 
  - My biggest surprise  Madspirit   Feb-06-07 09:41 PM   #199 
  - I'm in a permanent relationship, so my case is moot, but it's a fucked situation if it gets to that  TankLV   Feb-06-07 09:15 PM   #192 
  - nice. prison rape of males is humorous, yet rape of females is crisis. nt  rzr77   Feb-06-07 10:12 PM   #205 
     - I thought you said raping females was "payback"  blonndee   Feb-06-07 10:14 PM   #206 
        - ~  Lars39   Feb-06-07 10:32 PM   #209 
        - Beats me...and there's another one around too.  blonndee   Feb-06-07 10:33 PM   #210 
        - I never said that - let the mods pull it back up and check it.  rzr77   Feb-06-07 10:50 PM   #212 
           - Didn't you say that a girl who stopped in the middle of sex  blonndee   Feb-06-07 10:53 PM   #213 
              - I think she does deserve some type of justice  rzr77   Feb-06-07 10:58 PM   #214 
                 - Thanks for the clarification.  blonndee   Feb-06-07 11:02 PM   #215 
                 - You seem to be operating under the delusion that this happens a lot --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-07-07 11:15 AM   #225 
                 - ?  Madspirit   Feb-07-07 12:50 PM   #230 
  - "we don't have complete control over our ability to stop" - Mel Feit  951-Riverside   Feb-06-07 11:30 PM   #218 
  - apart from the legal issue, I wouldn't WANT to continue if she said stop.  yurbud   Feb-07-07 10:46 PM   #234 
 

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