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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. The wording refers to people in the United States.
But yes, I think it is related to Iran in that
the shit is about to hit the fan in the US economically.

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  -New Executive order. I need it put into understandable terms. What does alfredo  Jul-18-07 02:09 PM   #0 
  - What the hell is this double speak?  acmavm   Jul-18-07 02:11 PM   #1 
  - does this allow for the confiscation of property of people who disagree with the regime?  datasuspect   Jul-18-07 02:12 PM   #2 
  - It's ALL about the oil law in Iraq..and those opposed to the takeover  angstlessk   Jul-18-07 02:15 PM   #3 
  - I've read the damn thing three times through. It's so open-ended, 6 degrees removed could be seized  sicksicksick_N_tired   Jul-18-07 06:01 PM   #85 
  - Appears to be an asset seizure order  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 02:17 PM   #4 
  - notice that the words "terrorism" and "terrorist"  datasuspect   Jul-18-07 02:18 PM   #5 
  - nor is 'act of violence' defined  endarkenment   Jul-18-07 02:25 PM   #9 
  - Right, but it does seem limited to ...  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 02:39 PM   #13 
  - Yes, true conservatives would loathe this - IF they actually HEARD about it.  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-18-07 05:48 PM   #81 
     - Someone Should Post This  Megahurtz   Jul-19-07 08:44 PM   #116 
  - I read that too as very ambiguous and alarming  IChing   Jul-18-07 02:19 PM   #6 
  - The Thief Who Would Be King - Send this to Lou Dobbs and Jack McCafferty!  Swamp Rat   Jul-18-07 02:21 PM   #7 
  - A Handmaid's Tale was the first thing that came to my mind.  MindPilot   Jul-18-07 02:25 PM   #8 
  - And section 8 says you can't sue them if they are wrong  MiniMe   Jul-18-07 02:27 PM   #10 
  - It seems to say...  TechBear_Seattle   Jul-18-07 02:32 PM   #11 
  - Transactions clause is probably designed...  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 02:41 PM   #14 
  - I have little faith that he wouldn't abuse this EO.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 03:07 PM   #19 
  - My take on this...  citizen_jane   Jul-18-07 02:37 PM   #12 
  - I wouldn't put it past King George to use this thing to freeze the assets of  kestrel91316   Jul-18-07 02:51 PM   #15 
  - Section 5 is very troubling  CabalPowered   Jul-18-07 02:51 PM   #16 
  - EO 13303 "I hereby declare a national emergency"  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 02:53 PM   #17 
  - Someone answer this, please. Would this be the national emergency  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 03:26 PM   #25 
  - Has he declared a national emergency? Could this be intimidation  alfredo   Jul-18-07 03:58 PM   #31 
  - Don't know - can't get an answer as to whether or not I've read  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 04:18 PM   #43 
     - I guess we should consult a lawyer or two.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 05:00 PM   #57 
     - I keep hoping one of our DU legal eagles will chime in. :D  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 05:06 PM   #61 
        - We have to wait for some to get off of work, decompress, and log on.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 05:08 PM   #64 
        - :D And keep kicking this so they see it and respond.  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 05:09 PM   # 
           - Please do. It already has over 5 recs, so it is on the front page.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 05:14 PM   #69 
              - Thanks, for the reminder. I added my recommend to my  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 05:19 PM   #73 
                 - Thanks  alfredo   Jul-18-07 05:44 PM   #79 
        - I don't think this is quite as unusual as most think  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 05:13 PM   #68 
           - I realize, but this is the first time we've had a "Patriot Act" in addition  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 05:18 PM   #71 
              - Yes, I agree  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 05:19 PM   #72 
                 - Have you read the 4 EOs which work in concert with this one?  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 05:27 PM   #76 
     - he could reasonably state that the emergency started today when Reid tabled the  truedelphi   Jul-18-07 09:00 PM   #97 
     - Yeah, it seems others here are thinking the same.  Cerridwen   Jul-19-07 12:56 PM   #102 
     - Can you post the expansion, I can't open the link.  lonestarnot   Jul-19-07 08:35 PM   #110 
        - Aw, of course. Gimme a minute or two and I'll see if I can find text  Cerridwen   Jul-19-07 08:45 PM   #117 
        - Cool.  lonestarnot   Jul-19-07 08:50 PM   #119 
        - Try this link - straight to - I'd copy & paste but it's long  Cerridwen   Jul-19-07 08:51 PM   #120 
  - Under the PATRIOT Act, a declaration of "national emergency" can suspend elections.  TomInTib   Jul-18-07 04:55 PM   #53 
     - So, there's a very real possibility that the EO from May '03  Cerridwen   Jul-18-07 05:00 PM   #56 
     - hmmmmf. May as well declare another fucking war rat heya.  lonestarnot   Jul-19-07 08:37 PM   #111 
  - If I'm reading that right,  ThomCat   Jul-18-07 03:00 PM   #18 
  - Hi Thomcat! nt  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 03:13 PM   #22 
  - Hi, HamdenRice!  ThomCat   Jul-18-07 03:15 PM   #23 
     - Yeah! Let's eat our way down Queens blvd!  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 03:23 PM   #24 
  - That's exactly how it can be interpretted and enforced. You can also read it as:  file83   Jul-18-07 08:06 PM   #94 
  - I was just holding an Impeach sign at a protest. Can they seize my assets now?  L. Coyote   Jul-18-07 08:57 PM   #96 
  - Looks like everything is set up now  Canuckistanian   Jul-18-07 03:12 PM   #20 
  - We can't just look at one action, we have to see them as a whole.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 03:52 PM   #30 
     - Exactly  Canuckistanian   Jul-18-07 06:31 PM   #91 
        - We have to stand up now and peacefully & legally remove those  alfredo   Jul-19-07 02:51 PM   #107 
           - But WHO's Gonna Do It???  Megahurtz   Jul-19-07 08:53 PM   #121 
              - It will have to come from the bottom. We are the ones who hold up the  alfredo   Jul-19-07 09:28 PM   #124 
  - It's a very sad commentary on Congressional vs presidential power  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 03:12 PM   #21 
  - K&R. This is the first thing I've read on DU for two weeks.  intheflow   Jul-18-07 03:42 PM   #26 
  - july 17 2007  datasuspect   Jul-18-07 03:44 PM   #27 
     - Thanks. n/t  intheflow   Jul-18-07 03:49 PM   #28 
  - As I read this, the focus seems to be on VIOLENT acts. But free speech isn't violence.  redacted   Jul-18-07 03:52 PM   #29 
  - "risk" is an operative word in this  datasuspect   Jul-18-07 04:00 PM   #32 
  - Demonstrations against the war? Can that carry a "risk of violence"?  alfredo   Jul-18-07 04:03 PM   #34 
     - this administration is capable of any kind of malfeasance  datasuspect   Jul-18-07 04:07 PM   #36 
        - haven't they already done that with animal rights groups?  alfredo   Jul-18-07 04:08 PM   #37 
           - not exactly sure about that  datasuspect   Jul-18-07 04:09 PM   #38 
           - Yes. The DoJ has decided that environmentalists and animal rights  ThomCat   Jul-18-07 04:30 PM   #46 
              - I wasn't sure if it was national or just Texas.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 05:05 PM   #60 
  - Violent doesn't need to be physical. It could mean fierce opposition.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 04:01 PM   #33 
  - "pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence"  HamdenRice   Jul-18-07 04:06 PM   #35 
     - Couldn't it also be applied to congressmen who are trying to stop  alfredo   Jul-18-07 04:10 PM   #40 
        - Or candidates? Ron Paul? Or GOP senators against the war?  redacted   Jul-18-07 04:41 PM   #49 
           - This could be benign, but all we have to go on is how bush has acted  alfredo   Jul-18-07 05:07 PM   #62 
  - Is he threatening Congress????????? eom  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-18-07 04:10 PM   #39 
  - That was just what I was thinking.  alfredo   Jul-18-07 04:12 PM   #41 
  - That was my first thought, too. My second thought was...  Frustratedlady   Jul-18-07 05:31 PM   #77 
     - Let's see how aggressive congress will get at restoring our  alfredo   Jul-19-07 02:47 PM   #106 
  - Seems to me like redeployment would be categorized as "undermining  Marr   Jul-18-07 04:28 PM   #45 
  - Good lord... talk about a bloodless coup, electronic is more like it.  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 04:16 PM   #42 
  - Under the PATRIOT Act, a declaration of "national emergency" can suspend elections.  TomInTib   Jul-18-07 04:57 PM   #55 
     - Suspend election, freeze assets, prevent traveling outside of the US. You name it-  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 05:01 PM   #58 
        - We don't even know the half of it.  TomInTib   Jul-18-07 05:39 PM   #78 
           - That's the trouble, it has all been done with stealth and no attention paid to it.  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 05:46 PM   #80 
              - Congress is powerless now.  TomInTib   Jul-18-07 06:01 PM   #86 
                 - Well, that's the part I have trouble with, AS IF they didn't KNOW about these EOs???  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 06:06 PM   #87 
                    - Because they are ALL bought and sold.  TomInTib   Jul-18-07 06:14 PM   #88 
                       - Okay, I'll check back with you later- I'm running to the market myself.  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 06:19 PM   #89 
  - I have been worrying that he is planning something during Congressional recess  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-18-07 04:25 PM   #44 
  - "disarming any opposition" and preventing people from leaving with their money  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 04:37 PM   #48 
  - I'm far from the only one fearing a move to totalitarianism this summer:  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-18-07 05:11 PM   #67 
     - When you connect the dots between all these EO's, it does not look good at all.  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 05:16 PM   #70 
        - I agree, but you will never hear about it in the corporate media or even from  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-18-07 05:20 PM   #74 
           - Me too.  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 05:25 PM   #75 
  - Iran?  KelleyKramer   Jul-18-07 04:35 PM   #47 
  - Could be another way to provoke them  OzarkDem   Jul-18-07 04:44 PM   #50 
  - Can the Congressional leadership require that Congress stay in session?  redacted   Jul-18-07 04:45 PM   #51 
     - Call an ER session.  lonestarnot   Jul-19-07 08:41 PM   #112 
  - The wording refers to people in the United States.  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 04:51 PM   #52 
     - Exact wording-  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 04:55 PM   #54 
  - Question isn't this covered under "Unlawful searches and seizures"  intaglio   Jul-18-07 05:03 PM   #59 
  - Well, basically he just decided what unlawful is.  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 05:08 PM   #63 
     - hmmmmf ready now to  lonestarnot   Jul-19-07 08:42 PM   #113 
  - Trading with the enemy act? T'was in damn books  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-18-07 05:09 PM   #65 
  - Iran have assets in America?  wildbilln864   Jul-18-07 05:10 PM   #66 
  - "They get to say who is guilty."  Disturbed   Jul-18-07 05:49 PM   #82 
  - yep, n/t  wildbilln864   Jul-18-07 05:50 PM   #83 
  - To believe otherwise is to buy a ticket to ride "The Ship of Fools"  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 05:56 PM   #84 
  - We've had a trade embargo against them for a couple decades. I doubt  alfredo   Jul-19-07 11:35 PM   #125 
  - Is it time to impeach yet? n/t  malaise   Jul-18-07 06:23 PM   #90 
  - Oh no, that would distract us from the really important issues  jgraz   Jul-18-07 07:06 PM   #92 
     - Precisely- why are they talking about wages and ignoring the fact that your account can be frozen?  BeHereNow   Jul-18-07 07:32 PM   #93 
  - Does this mean he can freeze Harry Reids assets?!  BrainGlutton   Jul-18-07 08:48 PM   #95 
  - Just listened to Mike Malloy and Thom Hartman today!  IChing   Jul-18-07 11:58 PM   #98 
  - If you want to hear the show with Hartman here is the mp3 link  IChing   Jul-19-07 12:02 AM   #99 
  - Thanks, IChing. For your post and for the info about Malloy.  Cerridwen   Jul-19-07 12:55 PM   #101 
  - A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq  ClayZ   Jul-19-07 12:35 PM   #100 
  - And what government of Iraq?  lonestarnot   Jul-19-07 08:43 PM   #115 
  - This part is pretty scary:  Contrary1   Jul-19-07 01:13 PM   #103 
  - damnatio memoriae Just like the Roman Empire did.  alfredo   Jul-19-07 08:09 PM   #108 
  - Thom Hartmann discussed this EO with Bruce Fein today  Emit   Jul-19-07 01:33 PM   #104 
  - This is some seriously evil stuff  Zodiak Ironfist   Jul-19-07 02:07 PM   #105 
  - It has certainly been discussed, the passport issue.  BeHereNow   Jul-19-07 08:19 PM   #109 
  - I'm not allowed to immigrate. It wasn't from an illegal act, it was  alfredo   Jul-19-07 08:48 PM   #118 
  - Sure Looks That Way Now  Megahurtz   Jul-19-07 09:04 PM   #122 
  - the little SOB better be careful...  Babsbrain   Jul-19-07 08:43 PM   #114 
  - If I didn't know better, this might be some kind of prelude to fascism...  JacquesMolay   Jul-19-07 09:10 PM   #123 
  - Or pushy congressmen/women  alfredo   Jul-20-07 10:31 AM   #126 
  - I sent this letter to my congressman  alfredo   Jul-20-07 12:18 PM   #127 

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