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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. Noooooo...I'm postulating...
that unless we've got some way to MEASURE impairment, scientifically, there's no way we can legalize pot.

Take my employer. We have a list of things (most of them involve powered lift equipment) that will get you sent for a drug test if you do them.

Pretend pot is legal, but we only have the current test. You have a perfectly legal joint on your day off. A week later, you pick up a skid of Portland cement that wasn't wrapped properly at the factory, come around the corner a bit too fast, and 25 bags slide off and break. Any incident causing more than $200 damage to merchandise is grounds for urinalysis, and Portland cement is $9.25 per bag.

Your urinalysis will come back positive. If you're positive for marijuana, you'll be considered impaired at work and fired.

I know you only stay stoned for a few hours after you smoke. There must be something in pot smoke that causes this--is there a cannabinoid that metabolizes quickly, perhaps, that acts as a catalyst for the "fun" cannabinoids? Very little pot research in the US (well, the legal kind--you guys who smoke weed don't count here) is done using real pot but rather single cannabinoids so they can "control" the experiment, so WE DON'T KNOW what all is in that shit or how reefer actually works. I know if you get a High Times magazine and look at the pot marketplace reports they discuss the nature of the high you get from whatever pot is available in your area, so I got it figured that different cannabinoids--there are many--produce different effects in the body.
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  -Pot Legalization = Catch 22 spacelady  Jul-17-07 08:19 PM   #0 
  - My take is you have to just LEGALIZE it!  Rick Myers   Jul-17-07 08:23 PM   #1 
  - Simple - treat is like booze.  Rex   Jul-17-07 08:23 PM   #2 
  - I agree.  KillCapitalism   Jul-17-07 08:28 PM   #5 
  - Problem is...  Aya Reiko   Jul-17-07 09:16 PM   #19 
     - BAC test is worthless.  NCevilDUer   Jul-17-07 09:48 PM   #24 
     - Actually, there is  Prophet 451   Jul-18-07 10:59 AM   #67 
  - Agreed  Prophet 451   Jul-18-07 11:02 AM   #68 
  - Decriminalize Now  daninthemoon   Jul-17-07 08:26 PM   #3 
  - I absolutely agree about not operating anything under the influence -  spacelady   Jul-17-07 08:26 PM   #4 
  - OK, for anybody who does not know this - the current established tests for  spacelady   Jul-17-07 08:31 PM   #6 
  - Driving behavior should be the standard  Jed Dilligan   Jul-17-07 08:31 PM   #7 
     - Do you mean that rather than Breathalyzers, we should use coordination  spacelady   Jul-17-07 08:34 PM   #8 
        - No, I mean the officer has to document  Jed Dilligan   Jul-17-07 08:38 PM   #10 
  - This is why I'm for prohibition.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-17-07 08:36 PM   #9 
  - If you are under the impression I am for prohibition of pot, hemp  spacelady   Jul-17-07 08:46 PM   #12 
  - I live near Temperance,  DiktatrW   Jul-17-07 08:53 PM   #14 
  - Field Sobriety Tests.  porphyrian   Jul-17-07 08:45 PM   #11 
  - But for the cops to be able to cite someone and make it "stick"  spacelady   Jul-17-07 08:50 PM   #13 
  - I get your point....  Zookeeper   Jul-17-07 09:08 PM   #16 
  - All they need is the video tape of the driver failing a field sobriety test.  porphyrian   Jul-18-07 07:22 AM   #60 
  - I suspect that the reason police now have breathalyzers and other "scientific" measuring devices  Throwing Stones   Jul-17-07 09:44 PM   #22 
     - It can't be so easily refuted if it's on video tape.  porphyrian   Jul-18-07 07:24 AM   #61 
  - So far, I have not heard of any solutions to counteract a  spacelady   Jul-17-07 09:04 PM   #15 
  - Try to pick a fight with a burner. If he fights back, he's not high  DS1   Jul-17-07 09:14 PM   #17 
  - Are all burners a "he"? heehee  spacelady   Jul-17-07 10:27 PM   #29 
  - If we can put a man on the moon, we can develop a test for impairment.  MADem   Jul-17-07 09:15 PM   #18 
  - So it all comes down to corporate greed; yeah I know that  spacelady   Jul-17-07 09:30 PM   #20 
  - A device that measures, say, pupil dialation, or perhaps that can  MADem   Jul-17-07 11:33 PM   #46 
  - Test for impairment: Have them drive a car!  IMModerate   Jul-17-07 10:28 PM   #31 
  - They don't need anything more than field sobriety tests.  porphyrian   Jul-18-07 11:09 AM   #69 
  - I tend to think it's time to have a simple test for any sort of impairment.  hedgehog   Jul-17-07 09:31 PM   #21 
  - A simple impairment test: "Did you vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004?"  Throwing Stones   Jul-17-07 09:47 PM   #23 
  - I'll see your joke and raise you a true story.  hedgehog   Jul-17-07 09:50 PM   #25 
  - I am so sorry for your loss. I'll bet it was chalked up to being  spacelady   Jul-17-07 10:13 PM   #26 
  - Impairment is easily identified.  ConsAreLiars   Jul-17-07 10:21 PM   #27 
  - Sure, impaired driving happens for any number of reasons,  spacelady   Jul-17-07 10:26 PM   #28 
     - Then the cops will have no grounds for proving impairment as a contributing factor  ConsAreLiars   Jul-17-07 10:44 PM   #36 
        - They already use breath and blood and urine tests for alcohol  spacelady   Jul-17-07 11:15 PM   #41 
           - Then the tests mean nothing and will get tossed out.  ConsAreLiars   Jul-17-07 11:31 PM   #45 
              - No, I do not think decriminalizing is a problem, I am just trying to  spacelady   Jul-17-07 11:41 PM   #50 
                 - Oh,okay. Then the argument is rather simple.  ConsAreLiars   Jul-18-07 12:01 AM   #59 
  - Yes, what a horrible problem!  Kazak   Jul-17-07 10:27 PM   #30 
  - Yes it IS a horrible problem because our legislators seem to  spacelady   Jul-17-07 10:37 PM   #33 
     - Hemp, with negligible THC, and medical marijuana are two completely  NCevilDUer   Jul-18-07 10:44 AM   #65 
  - I once read a study in road and track magazine which tested driving ability...  Kazak   Jul-17-07 10:31 PM   #32 
  - No, do tell.  spacelady   Jul-17-07 10:39 PM   #34 
  - No, guess...  Kazak   Jul-17-07 10:43 PM   #35 
     - Uh, the Kazak group?  spacelady   Jul-17-07 10:46 PM   #37 
        - Kazak wishes!  Kazak   Jul-17-07 10:48 PM   #38 
           - OK, it is like the Dr. Johnny Fever phemomenon, certain people  spacelady   Jul-17-07 10:58 PM   #39 
              - HAHAHAHAHAHA  terryg11   Jul-17-07 11:36 PM   #47 
              - Certain people?  Kazak   Jul-18-07 07:39 AM   #62 
  - Was that on Top Gear?  EOTE   Jul-19-07 01:55 PM   #71 
     - Hmmm, that could be what I remember...  Kazak   Jul-19-07 03:41 PM   #72 
  - The government has no right to tell a free individual what he/she may do with his/her own mind  Skip Intro   Jul-17-07 11:05 PM   #40 
  - I agree, however the u.s. gov't. has been disregarding these  spacelady   Jul-17-07 11:18 PM   #43 
  - I've been saying this for quite some time  jmowreader   Jul-17-07 11:17 PM   #42 
  - Thank you! It is so easy to say "Legalize!" and "Hemp can help  spacelady   Jul-17-07 11:30 PM   #44 
  - What BS!  ConsAreLiars   Jul-17-07 11:37 PM   #48 
  - Nonsense.  NCevilDUer   Jul-18-07 10:51 AM   #66 
     - Noooooo...I'm postulating...  jmowreader   Jul-19-07 12:03 PM   #70 
  - Not at all  chknltl   Jul-17-07 11:39 PM   #49 
  - This is a very considered and logical response, Too bad  spacelady   Jul-17-07 11:49 PM   #54 
     - Unfortunate also that "those who have the power to change the pot laws"...  Kazak   Jul-18-07 07:49 AM   #64 
  - I was asking my boyfriend the efficacy of growing pot in the creek  w8liftinglady   Jul-17-07 11:42 PM   #51 
  - Hemp and pot are not the same thing  Canuckistanian   Jul-17-07 11:44 PM   #52 
  - You are absolutely correct except for the medical aspect, which  spacelady   Jul-17-07 11:52 PM   #56 
  - they could totally profit off legalization...why not?I'd buy  w8liftinglady   Jul-17-07 11:46 PM   #53 
  - I believe we have "legal" drugs helping people "cope" every day...  MrMickeysMom   Jul-17-07 11:51 PM   #55 
  - I love my pot  Madspirit   Jul-17-07 11:57 PM   #57 
  - THE Fucking Truth About Marijuana!!  Madspirit   Jul-18-07 12:01 AM   #58 
  - p'shaw  sniffa   Jul-18-07 07:43 AM   #63 
 

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