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Thu Jul-19-07 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #66 |
| 70. Noooooo...I'm postulating... |
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that unless we've got some way to MEASURE impairment, scientifically, there's no way we can legalize pot.
Take my employer. We have a list of things (most of them involve powered lift equipment) that will get you sent for a drug test if you do them.
Pretend pot is legal, but we only have the current test. You have a perfectly legal joint on your day off. A week later, you pick up a skid of Portland cement that wasn't wrapped properly at the factory, come around the corner a bit too fast, and 25 bags slide off and break. Any incident causing more than $200 damage to merchandise is grounds for urinalysis, and Portland cement is $9.25 per bag.
Your urinalysis will come back positive. If you're positive for marijuana, you'll be considered impaired at work and fired.
I know you only stay stoned for a few hours after you smoke. There must be something in pot smoke that causes this--is there a cannabinoid that metabolizes quickly, perhaps, that acts as a catalyst for the "fun" cannabinoids? Very little pot research in the US (well, the legal kind--you guys who smoke weed don't count here) is done using real pot but rather single cannabinoids so they can "control" the experiment, so WE DON'T KNOW what all is in that shit or how reefer actually works. I know if you get a High Times magazine and look at the pot marketplace reports they discuss the nature of the high you get from whatever pot is available in your area, so I got it figured that different cannabinoids--there are many--produce different effects in the body.
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| -Pot Legalization = Catch 22 |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 08:19 PM |
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My take is you have to just LEGALIZE it! |
Rick Myers |
Jul-17-07 08:23 PM |
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Simple - treat is like booze. |
Rex |
Jul-17-07 08:23 PM |
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I agree. |
KillCapitalism |
Jul-17-07 08:28 PM |
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Problem is... |
Aya Reiko |
Jul-17-07 09:16 PM |
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BAC test is worthless. |
NCevilDUer |
Jul-17-07 09:48 PM |
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Actually, there is |
Prophet 451 |
Jul-18-07 10:59 AM |
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Agreed |
Prophet 451 |
Jul-18-07 11:02 AM |
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Decriminalize Now |
daninthemoon |
Jul-17-07 08:26 PM |
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I absolutely agree about not operating anything under the influence - |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 08:26 PM |
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OK, for anybody who does not know this - the current established tests for |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 08:31 PM |
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Driving behavior should be the standard |
Jed Dilligan |
Jul-17-07 08:31 PM |
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Do you mean that rather than Breathalyzers, we should use coordination |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 08:34 PM |
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No, I mean the officer has to document |
Jed Dilligan |
Jul-17-07 08:38 PM |
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This is why I'm for prohibition. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-17-07 08:36 PM |
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If you are under the impression I am for prohibition of pot, hemp |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 08:46 PM |
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I live near Temperance, |
DiktatrW |
Jul-17-07 08:53 PM |
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Field Sobriety Tests. |
porphyrian |
Jul-17-07 08:45 PM |
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But for the cops to be able to cite someone and make it "stick" |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 08:50 PM |
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I get your point.... |
Zookeeper |
Jul-17-07 09:08 PM |
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All they need is the video tape of the driver failing a field sobriety test. |
porphyrian |
Jul-18-07 07:22 AM |
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I suspect that the reason police now have breathalyzers and other "scientific" measuring devices |
Throwing Stones |
Jul-17-07 09:44 PM |
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It can't be so easily refuted if it's on video tape. |
porphyrian |
Jul-18-07 07:24 AM |
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So far, I have not heard of any solutions to counteract a |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 09:04 PM |
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Try to pick a fight with a burner. If he fights back, he's not high |
DS1 |
Jul-17-07 09:14 PM |
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Are all burners a "he"? heehee |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 10:27 PM |
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If we can put a man on the moon, we can develop a test for impairment. |
MADem |
Jul-17-07 09:15 PM |
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So it all comes down to corporate greed; yeah I know that |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 09:30 PM |
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A device that measures, say, pupil dialation, or perhaps that can |
MADem |
Jul-17-07 11:33 PM |
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Test for impairment: Have them drive a car! |
IMModerate |
Jul-17-07 10:28 PM |
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They don't need anything more than field sobriety tests. |
porphyrian |
Jul-18-07 11:09 AM |
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I tend to think it's time to have a simple test for any sort of impairment. |
hedgehog |
Jul-17-07 09:31 PM |
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A simple impairment test: "Did you vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004?" |
Throwing Stones |
Jul-17-07 09:47 PM |
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I'll see your joke and raise you a true story. |
hedgehog |
Jul-17-07 09:50 PM |
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I am so sorry for your loss. I'll bet it was chalked up to being |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 10:13 PM |
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Impairment is easily identified. |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-17-07 10:21 PM |
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Sure, impaired driving happens for any number of reasons, |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 10:26 PM |
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Then the cops will have no grounds for proving impairment as a contributing factor |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-17-07 10:44 PM |
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They already use breath and blood and urine tests for alcohol |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 11:15 PM |
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Then the tests mean nothing and will get tossed out. |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-17-07 11:31 PM |
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No, I do not think decriminalizing is a problem, I am just trying to |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 11:41 PM |
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Oh,okay. Then the argument is rather simple. |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-18-07 12:01 AM |
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Yes, what a horrible problem! |
Kazak |
Jul-17-07 10:27 PM |
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Yes it IS a horrible problem because our legislators seem to |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 10:37 PM |
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Hemp, with negligible THC, and medical marijuana are two completely |
NCevilDUer |
Jul-18-07 10:44 AM |
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I once read a study in road and track magazine which tested driving ability... |
Kazak |
Jul-17-07 10:31 PM |
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No, do tell. |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 10:39 PM |
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No, guess... |
Kazak |
Jul-17-07 10:43 PM |
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Uh, the Kazak group? |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 10:46 PM |
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Kazak wishes! |
Kazak |
Jul-17-07 10:48 PM |
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OK, it is like the Dr. Johnny Fever phemomenon, certain people |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 10:58 PM |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA |
terryg11 |
Jul-17-07 11:36 PM |
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Certain people? |
Kazak |
Jul-18-07 07:39 AM |
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Was that on Top Gear? |
EOTE |
Jul-19-07 01:55 PM |
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Hmmm, that could be what I remember... |
Kazak |
Jul-19-07 03:41 PM |
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The government has no right to tell a free individual what he/she may do with his/her own mind |
Skip Intro |
Jul-17-07 11:05 PM |
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I agree, however the u.s. gov't. has been disregarding these |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 11:18 PM |
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I've been saying this for quite some time |
jmowreader |
Jul-17-07 11:17 PM |
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Thank you! It is so easy to say "Legalize!" and "Hemp can help |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 11:30 PM |
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What BS! |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-17-07 11:37 PM |
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Nonsense. |
NCevilDUer |
Jul-18-07 10:51 AM |
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Noooooo...I'm postulating... |
jmowreader |
Jul-19-07 12:03 PM |
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Not at all |
chknltl |
Jul-17-07 11:39 PM |
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This is a very considered and logical response, Too bad |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 11:49 PM |
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Unfortunate also that "those who have the power to change the pot laws"... |
Kazak |
Jul-18-07 07:49 AM |
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I was asking my boyfriend the efficacy of growing pot in the creek |
w8liftinglady |
Jul-17-07 11:42 PM |
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Hemp and pot are not the same thing |
Canuckistanian |
Jul-17-07 11:44 PM |
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You are absolutely correct except for the medical aspect, which |
spacelady |
Jul-17-07 11:52 PM |
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they could totally profit off legalization...why not?I'd buy |
w8liftinglady |
Jul-17-07 11:46 PM |
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I believe we have "legal" drugs helping people "cope" every day... |
MrMickeysMom |
Jul-17-07 11:51 PM |
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I love my pot |
Madspirit |
Jul-17-07 11:57 PM |
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THE Fucking Truth About Marijuana!! |
Madspirit |
Jul-18-07 12:01 AM |
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p'shaw |
sniffa |
Jul-18-07 07:43 AM |
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