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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:08 PM
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  -To get Universal Health care we will need the business sector on our side. alfredo  Jul-14-07 10:50 AM   #0 
  - The auto makers are already working on Universal Health Care.  flamin lib   Jul-14-07 10:57 AM   #1 
  - Are there any groups working on this?  alfredo   Jul-14-07 11:02 AM   #5 
  - PLEASE READ the info at the link  antigop   Jul-14-07 11:21 AM   #14 
     - I read it, but it still goes through private insurance. We need to break  alfredo   Jul-14-07 11:25 AM   #16 
     - Absolutely -- it still goes through private insurance-- and that is their solution n/t  antigop   Jul-14-07 11:28 AM   #17 
     - Absolutely.  Clark2008   Jul-14-07 11:28 AM   #18 
        - THEY ARE WORKING ON THEIR OWN SOLUTION (sorry for shouting)  antigop   Jul-14-07 11:34 AM   #20 
           - That doesn't mean we can present our own ideas. Why should we  alfredo   Jul-14-07 12:15 PM   #25 
              - Go ahead and present your own ideas, but corporations are presenting their own solution. n/t  antigop   Jul-14-07 02:11 PM   #33 
                 - It would be a hell of a lot better if we had a say on matters that  alfredo   Jul-14-07 02:22 PM   #34 
                    - The corporations are going ahead with their own plans. It doesn't matter what "we" say. n/t  antigop   Jul-14-07 02:46 PM   #35 
                       - We still have to put up a fight and not just roll over.  alfredo   Jul-14-07 03:23 PM   #36 
                          - And while we are putting up a fight, the corporations are already starting to implement n/t  antigop   Jul-14-07 03:48 PM   #37 
                             - We have to make sure we are in charge, not the corporations. Fight on.  alfredo   Jul-14-07 04:49 PM   #40 
                                - Just don't expect the corporations to be on your side. n/t  antigop   Jul-14-07 04:54 PM   #41 
                                   - It depends on the size of our side.  alfredo   Jul-14-07 05:42 PM   #42 
                                      - uh, no. It doesn't matter. They will support THEIR solution. n/t  antigop   Jul-14-07 06:41 PM   #44 
                                         - If we take on the attitude that we can't win, it stacks the deck.  alfredo   Jul-15-07 12:13 AM   #45 
                                            - They have their own plan. They won't support what we want. It's that simple. n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 12:36 PM   #47 
                                               - Like I said, if they are confronted by overwhelming numbers  alfredo   Jul-15-07 01:33 PM   #48 
                                               - They *still* won't support out side. They'll go down kicking and screaming if necessary...  BlooInBloo   Jul-15-07 01:37 PM   #49 
                                               - deleted n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 02:08 PM   #51 
                                               - Getting them on our side will be as successful as us going over to theirs. n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 02:09 PM   #52 
                                               - No so much on our side as realizing they have to go along. The bosses  alfredo   Jul-15-07 02:24 PM   #54 
                                               - NO, read your OP. You said "we will need the business sector on our side"  antigop   Jul-15-07 02:45 PM   #55 
                                               - Getting out of our way is in effect approval.  alfredo   Jul-15-07 04:40 PM   #56 
                                               - Oh, please! They're not getting out of our way. They will fight for their solution. n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 10:39 PM   #64 
                                               - Some businesses will side with us. The more the better. There are  alfredo   Jul-15-07 11:19 PM   #67 
                                               - And the corporations will fight us every step of the way. What don't you understand? n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 11:21 PM   #68 
                                               - I understand that, but in any war or conflict you gather as many  alfredo   Jul-16-07 10:55 AM   #72 
                                               - And you are not going to get the corporate sector as an ally n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 10:57 AM   #73 
                                               - Not all of them but there are some who see the value of UHC. It's worth  alfredo   Jul-16-07 11:06 AM   #74 
                                               - No, it's a better use of time to work on people who will actually support us n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 11:08 AM   #75 
                                               - That goes without saying. We need to do more than just preach to the  alfredo   Jul-16-07 11:29 AM   #76 
                                               - So don't waste your time trying to get the corporate sector to support us. n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 11:30 AM   #77 
                                               - It's not black and white, there are progressives in the business sector.  alfredo   Jul-16-07 11:45 AM   #79 
                                               - Fine. Do whatever you want. I'll spend my time on something that will produce results. n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 12:19 PM   #81 
                                               - So you are willing to discard potential supporters who may have  alfredo   Jul-16-07 01:04 PM   #83 
                                               - I really don't know what you don't understand. Corporations have their own solution, not ours n/t.  antigop   Jul-16-07 01:48 PM   #86 
                                               - I know they have their own plan, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't  alfredo   Jul-16-07 04:20 PM   #88 
                                               - Yes, if you want to waste your time -- by all means do so. n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 04:24 PM   #90 
                                               - It is not a waste. There are many large and small cap companies  alfredo   Jul-16-07 04:33 PM   #92 
                                               - Fine. Do whatever you want. I'll spend my time on something that will produce results. n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 05:24 PM   #94 
                                               - Doing one thing doesn't mean you can't do another too. It's hard to  alfredo   Jul-16-07 10:43 PM   #96 
                                               - It's a free country -- you do what you want. I'll spend my time on something productive n.t  antigop   Jul-16-07 10:59 PM   #97 
                                               - Nope. They have their own plan and continue to support it. n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 02:06 PM   #50 
                                               - What's so wrong with trying? You want us to give up?  alfredo   Jul-16-07 04:21 PM   #89 
                                               - You can try all you want. Nobody is stopping you. I'll spend my time on something else. n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 11:00 PM   #98 
     - Thanks  R_M   Jul-15-07 10:57 PM   #66 
  - Awesome. THIS is the kind of strategy that works and gets things done.  MJDuncan1982   Jul-14-07 11:15 AM   #12 
  - Hate to tell you this, but-- I think this is the business "solution" to healthcare  antigop   Jul-14-07 10:57 AM   #2 
  - AOL's co-founder Case is running an insurance agency getting commissions on health insurance sales -  papau   Jul-14-07 12:46 PM   #28 
  - Yeah, they lined right up behind Social Security in 1933.  rug   Jul-14-07 10:58 AM   #3 
  - Just need to prove to them that it will be a savings for them  liberal N proud   Jul-14-07 10:59 AM   #4 
  - Michael Moore needs to do what Gore is doing, but put more  alfredo   Jul-14-07 11:04 AM   #6 
     - You can sell anything to big business if you can show them it will save money  liberal N proud   Jul-14-07 11:08 AM   #8 
        - PLEASE READ: I think the business groups have their own solution in mind -- link here  antigop   Jul-14-07 11:10 AM   #9 
        - But there will always be those who put ideology above all.  alfredo   Jul-14-07 12:13 PM   #24 
  - The Health Care Boogie Man  KharmaTrain   Jul-14-07 11:04 AM   #7 
  - The Trouble Is The Shareholders  Crisco   Jul-14-07 12:02 PM   #22 
  - That sounds very logical  Nite Owl   Jul-14-07 11:12 AM   #10 
  - I think business has a love/hate relationship with universal health  Nay   Jul-14-07 11:13 AM   #11 
  - I agree  ThoughtCriminal   Jul-14-07 12:38 PM   #27 
  - You want business on your side talk about ROI  libertypirate   Jul-14-07 11:20 AM   #13 
  - ..And We Can End Drug Addiction by Giving Drug Dealers Subsidies, Too!...  Hidden Stillness   Jul-14-07 11:25 AM   #15 
  - They wouldn't be in business if they didn't have a touch of  alfredo   Jul-14-07 11:39 AM   #21 
  - business sector is at war with itself over single payer - insurance co's vs auto companies n/t  papau   Jul-14-07 11:30 AM   #19 
  - if Dems had the guts to go all out on single payer, they could get EVERY other business on board  yurbud   Jul-14-07 12:05 PM   #23 
  - Business is NEVER on our side really  upi402   Jul-14-07 12:16 PM   #26 
  - I seriously doubt business will support non-insurance universal health care. Here's why...  chaska   Jul-14-07 01:04 PM   #29 
  - Small business will actually be the enemy ...  JacquesMolay   Jul-14-07 01:06 PM   #30 
  - Only if they're not offering their employee insurance  TorchesAndPitchforks   Jul-14-07 01:12 PM   #31 
  - That doesn't make sense.  Vinca   Jul-14-07 05:56 PM   #43 
  - I think would actually prefer Health Savings Accounts(which are terrible).  newportdadde   Jul-14-07 01:17 PM   #32 
  - HSA's are tax shelters for wealthy people  OzarkDem   Jul-15-07 05:25 PM   #62 
  - Some businesses aren't smart enough to figure it out  mmonk   Jul-14-07 03:52 PM   #38 
  - It's why Toyota has such a labor cost advantage over GM  dmesg   Jul-14-07 04:18 PM   #39 
  - You can forget that right now. They will NEVER be on our side.  BlooInBloo   Jul-15-07 12:13 AM   #46 
  - Agreed. They have their own plan which they will continue to support. n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 02:10 PM   #53 
  - This country started off on the wrong foot with health care  goodgd_yall   Jul-15-07 04:56 PM   #57 
  - Evivva, Alfredo! You have hit the nail on the head. Business will  CTyankee   Jul-15-07 05:04 PM   #58 
  - Thanks. Sometimes we have to form coalitions with those we don't like, or  alfredo   Jul-15-07 05:14 PM   #59 
  - Businesses have already been in charge  OzarkDem   Jul-15-07 05:22 PM   #61 
     - No we don't have to buy into their plan, but we do have to find  alfredo   Jul-15-07 08:30 PM   #63 
        - And the major corporations (ones with the most money) HAVE THEIR OWN PLAN n/t  antigop   Jul-15-07 10:42 PM   #65 
           - this is getting nowhere. You can continue with a defeatist attitude,  alfredo   Jul-16-07 10:54 AM   #71 
              - No, it's a realistic attitude. The corporate sector will not support us. Spend your time  antigop   Jul-16-07 11:31 AM   #78 
                 - I'm not saying we should just concentrate on business.  alfredo   Jul-16-07 11:48 AM   #80 
                    - Geez, your OP said "We need to get the business sector on our side" n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 12:20 PM   #82 
                       - Yes, get as many as we can. Every supporter is important.  alfredo   Jul-16-07 01:05 PM   #84 
                          - Geez! What part of "Corporations have their own solution" don't you understand? n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 01:49 PM   #87 
                             - I understand.  alfredo   Jul-16-07 04:31 PM   #91 
                                - Fine. Do whatever you want. Just don't expect the corporate business sector to support you. n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 05:24 PM   #93 
                                   - You never know until you try.  alfredo   Jul-16-07 10:39 PM   #95 
                                      - Then go ahead. No one is stopping you. I'll spend my time on something else. n/t  antigop   Jul-16-07 11:01 PM   #99 
  - No we don't  OzarkDem   Jul-15-07 05:19 PM   #60 
  - I don't suggest that big business and no one else "guide" the plan.  CTyankee   Jul-16-07 09:15 AM   #70 
  - Who says they should guide it. If they want to join and support us fine, if  alfredo   Jul-16-07 01:07 PM   #85 
  - Big 3 automakers already have met with Dubya about the per-car "$1200 albatross"  ProgressiveEconomist   Jul-15-07 11:40 PM   #69 
     - Sounds like the idea of universal health care can be sold if framed  alfredo   Jul-16-07 11:01 PM   #100 

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