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Matsubara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. His point is getting Byrd out of office...
...and an (R) in.


I see no other reason to bring this up EXACTLY when Byrd just made a big speech on Iraq.

The whole point is to steal his thunder and hopefully get closer to having an (R) in his seat.

Byrd has been in office for like 70 years. There have been plenty of times people could have brought this shit up about him, but no, it has to be TODAY.

Geez you people are played like violins.
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  -Is support for a Constitutional ban on gay marriage homophobic? IndianaJones  Jul-11-07 11:53 AM   #0 
  - can you explain how it might not be?  ulysses   Jul-11-07 11:54 AM   #1 
  - um...yes  wuushew   Jul-11-07 11:54 AM   #2 
  - ya' think?  youthere   Jul-11-07 11:55 AM   #3 
  - In the US a lot of it is about money. I.e. spouses from gay marriages wanting benefits.  MookieWilson   Jul-11-07 11:55 AM   #4 
  - not every anti-gay person is a homophobe.  Rosemary2205   Jul-11-07 11:56 AM   #5 
  - from merriam-webster:  ulysses   Jul-11-07 11:58 AM   #7 
  - Aha! I stand corrected!  Rosemary2205   Jul-11-07 12:10 PM   #22 
  - And from ReligiousTolerance.org...  Sapphire Blue   Jul-11-07 12:12 PM   #23 
  - technically true  dmallind   Jul-11-07 12:02 PM   #11 
  - It Does Make someone a PIG OPPRESSOR...  Madspirit   Jul-11-07 02:46 PM   #108 
  - Whoa! Talk about a broad brush!  Solon   Jul-11-07 04:16 PM   #123 
     - I suspect there's a 'not' missing from that sentence  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-11-07 05:03 PM   #136 
        - Thank you  Rosemary2205   Jul-11-07 05:51 PM   #137 
           - Thanks for the fucking insult. n/t  Solon   Jul-12-07 07:08 AM   #152 
  - why do you feel that such a ban should be in place?  Pirate looks at 50   Jul-11-07 11:57 AM   #6 
  - Why would it be homophobic to declare that gay people are inferior and undeserving...  IanDB1   Jul-11-07 12:00 PM   #8 
  - I believe we are on the same page on this issue. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:15 PM   #25 
  - Technically not "Homophobic" but bigoted....  LeftHander   Jul-11-07 12:39 PM   #53 
     - I prefer to call it. . ..  kevinbgoode   Jul-11-07 01:06 PM   #74 
  - EDIT: I get it now; you're continuing your argument from this thread:  dicksteele   Jul-11-07 12:00 PM   #9 
  - Not really. Just getting input into my usage of a term.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:08 PM   #20 
  - The originator of that thread is on my ignore list. Guess I'm not missing much. n/t  IanDB1   Jul-11-07 12:18 PM   #29 
  - No...you are not. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:23 PM   #32 
  - Why can't we derail YOUR thread?  Bridget Burke   Jul-11-07 12:43 PM   #60 
     - You could certainly attempt to do so. I cannot control what you post here. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:45 PM   #66 
  - Oh, for crying out loud. Yes, anyone who voted for the bill is homophobic.  yardwork   Jul-11-07 12:30 PM   #37 
     - not happy...saddened at the adoration of such a man. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:31 PM   #40 
        - I don't adore him.  yardwork   Jul-11-07 12:37 PM   #48 
  - yes. n/t  indie_voter   Jul-11-07 12:01 PM   #10 
  - Yep.  mmonk   Jul-11-07 12:02 PM   #12 
  - It would be fundamentally unAmerican and anti-Constitutional, in spirit.  jobycom   Jul-11-07 12:03 PM   #13 
  - Not necessarily, but it is on its face unconstitutional.  MindPilot   Jul-11-07 12:03 PM   #14 
  - Well no, it wouldn't be "unconstitutional"  eggman67   Jul-11-07 06:38 PM   #140 
  - You don't support equal rights for gay people  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-11-07 12:04 PM   #15 
  - untrue...but I admire your confrontational attitude. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:15 PM   #24 
     - I apologize for that  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-11-07 12:30 PM   #38 
        - I seriously think that there needs to be more confrontation on...  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:36 PM   #47 
  - Yes. And fundamentally discriminatory and contrary to basic principles of equality and freedom.  impeachdubya   Jul-11-07 12:05 PM   #16 
  - Well said, as usual  melody   Jul-11-07 12:18 PM   #28 
     - Thanks!  impeachdubya   Jul-11-07 02:44 PM   #107 
     - "Bob people"?  kgfnally   Jul-11-07 03:06 PM   #116 
        - His avatar is of Robert Anton Wilson  melody   Jul-11-07 04:02 PM   #121 
  - it is homphobic  buddhamama   Jul-11-07 12:05 PM   #17 
  - Thanks for the responses. It seems I am not alone in my understanding of that terms meaning. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:07 PM   #18 
  - if it was a ban on all state-licensed marriage, period, then no  maxsolomon   Jul-11-07 12:08 PM   #19 
  - Not only is it homophobic, it's anti-freedom. It's anti-American.  Beelzebud   Jul-11-07 12:10 PM   #21 
  - It Can Be, But Doesn't Have To Be  Crisco   Jul-11-07 12:16 PM   #26 
  - Yup n/t  melody   Jul-11-07 12:17 PM   #27 
  - In my book, it is  terrya   Jul-11-07 12:20 PM   #30 
  - It depends on the individuals motivation  Az   Jul-11-07 12:21 PM   #31 
  - not necessarily.  QuestionAll   Jul-11-07 12:27 PM   #33 
  - A religious belief can be homophobic  Az   Jul-11-07 12:34 PM   #45 
     - but it doesn't have to be.  QuestionAll   Jul-11-07 12:45 PM   #63 
        - If a religious belief opposes homosexuality  Az   Jul-11-07 12:48 PM   #69 
        - Sorry, QA, I'm religious myself, and the traditional doctrines on  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-11-07 04:31 PM   #126 
  - Yes, you hate Robert Byrd and think....  Hell Hath No Fury   Jul-11-07 12:28 PM   #34 
  - To be clear, I don't hate him. I just think he's a racist and homophobe..and should retire. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:30 PM   #36 
     - He is a product of his times.  Matsubara   Jul-11-07 12:33 PM   #43 
     - I may even be able to accept your argument, but the adoration and praise?  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:38 PM   #52 
        - What "adoration and praise?"  Matsubara   Jul-11-07 12:40 PM   #56 
           - you are more than welcome to make that discussion in that thread. I will respond there. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:44 PM   #61 
     - Just wondering  dmallind   Jul-11-07 12:38 PM   #51 
  - Yes. Changing the U.S. Constitution to prevent gay people from getting married is homophobic.  yardwork   Jul-11-07 12:28 PM   #35 
  - It's a sure sign of bigotry.  Matsubara   Jul-11-07 12:31 PM   #39 
  - It is serious. I have always used the term much as the term "racist" is used...  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:33 PM   #42 
     - I see now that it's serious but disingenuous - just couching for an attack on Byrd.  Matsubara   Jul-11-07 12:37 PM   #50 
        - I made no mention of Byrd in this thread until he was brought here...  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:42 PM   #58 
           - But you derailed the other thread about Byrd's speech on Iraq.  Bridget Burke   Jul-11-07 12:45 PM   #64 
           - I'm not complaining. Derail away. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:52 PM   #71 
           - Yeah, it's sure to be scintillating.  Matsubara   Jul-11-07 12:45 PM   #65 
  - Can you be a bigot against gays but not homophobic?  nini   Jul-11-07 12:31 PM   #41 
  - Have you found another motivation that might explain it better? n/t  Orsino   Jul-11-07 12:34 PM   #44 
  - Here is one  Az   Jul-11-07 12:36 PM   #46 
     - Then why amend the Constitution to specifically ban one type of marriage?  yardwork   Jul-11-07 12:39 PM   #54 
     - Because they don't have the support to ban the other type yet  Az   Jul-11-07 12:44 PM   #62 
        - I don't think that their thinking is on that high a level.  yardwork   Jul-11-07 01:03 PM   #72 
        - So you believe them to be one monolithic entity  Az   Jul-11-07 01:07 PM   #75 
           - LOL! Yes - I think that the fundy right-wing trying to ban gay marriage have the intellects of ants  yardwork   Jul-11-07 01:38 PM   #85 
              - Sigh  Az   Jul-11-07 01:49 PM   #89 
                 - Pfft. Straw man. No, I don't spend time thinking about the subtle nuances of bigoted thinking.  yardwork   Jul-11-07 01:54 PM   #90 
                    - Actually no  Az   Jul-11-07 01:58 PM   #93 
                       - Let's define the terms again. We're talking about the people pushing a constitutional amendment  yardwork   Jul-11-07 02:07 PM   #97 
                          - Scale  Az   Jul-11-07 02:11 PM   #100 
                             - If you find someone who supported the constitutional amendment for reasons other than bigotry  yardwork   Jul-11-07 02:13 PM   #104 
                             - Have the fun  Az   Jul-11-07 02:15 PM   #106 
                             - I Can Make THIS Claim  Toasterlad   Jul-11-07 06:49 PM   #141 
        - ...but in the meantime they're happy to discriminate?  Orsino   Jul-11-07 04:16 PM   #122 
     - I ain't buying it.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-11-07 12:39 PM   #55 
        - Thats not true  Az   Jul-11-07 12:46 PM   #68 
           - What, all one of you? I can guarantee that eliminating state run marriage  yardwork   Jul-11-07 01:04 PM   #73 
              - Are you assuming that this is my position?  Az   Jul-11-07 01:08 PM   #76 
                 - You're the only one talking about it.  yardwork   Jul-11-07 01:28 PM   #81 
                    - I suspect  Az   Jul-11-07 01:37 PM   #84 
                       - Sorry to disappoint you, but the main emotion I'm feeling is laughter!  yardwork   Jul-11-07 01:55 PM   #91 
                          - Knots?  Az   Jul-11-07 02:01 PM   #94 
                             - Who said "hate" or "hate-filled"?  yardwork   Jul-11-07 02:08 PM   #99 
                                - Hate usually accompanies bigotry  Az   Jul-11-07 02:13 PM   #103 
  - Not necessarily, but everything about it is wrong.  porphyrian   Jul-11-07 12:37 PM   #49 
  - Inherently, yes.  Marr   Jul-11-07 12:41 PM   #57 
  - yes  sniffa   Jul-11-07 12:42 PM   #59 
  - Can you please outline your thesis?  wuushew   Jul-11-07 12:46 PM   #67 
  - I use the term homophobia in much the same way "racist" is used...  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 12:50 PM   #70 
  - Yup. Next question.  Midlodemocrat   Jul-11-07 01:08 PM   #77 
  - I consider it heterosupremacist  kevinbgoode   Jul-11-07 01:12 PM   #78 
  - Absolutely - and Senator Byrd is a racist and a homophobe.  Balbus   Jul-11-07 01:15 PM   #79 
  - His point is getting Byrd out of office...  Matsubara   Jul-11-07 01:25 PM   #80 
     - Well, I don't vote in West Virginia, so my support is moot.  yardwork   Jul-11-07 01:29 PM   #82 
  - Though it doesn't have the same formal ring,  ContraBass Black   Jul-11-07 01:33 PM   #83 
  - Bigoted and unconstitutional (n/t)  mitchum   Jul-11-07 01:39 PM   #86 
  - "Perhaps I am unclear" - - well, aren't you coy. nt  Bluebear   Jul-11-07 01:40 PM   #87 
  - Yeah, I got sucked in for a minute myself.  Matsubara   Jul-11-07 01:43 PM   #88 
  - I've been mistaken on usage of terms before...nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 01:56 PM   #92 
  - Yes, it is. n/t  trashcanistanista   Jul-11-07 02:02 PM   #95 
  - Yes. Most obvious answer ever.  MessiahRp   Jul-11-07 02:02 PM   #96 
  - Yes it is.  wicket   Jul-11-07 02:07 PM   #98 
  - Of course! n/t  goodgd_yall   Jul-11-07 02:11 PM   #101 
  - Not necessarily  Oeditpus Rex   Jul-11-07 02:11 PM   #102 
  - If Your Religion is Homophobic, and You Blindly Follow It, YOU'RE Homophobic, Too.  Toasterlad   Jul-11-07 06:57 PM   #143 
     - Let me tell you a story  Oeditpus Rex   Jul-11-07 08:17 PM   #145 
        - Umm...What?  Toasterlad   Jul-11-07 08:38 PM   #146 
           - I guess I didn't explain very well what I meant by 'blindly'  Oeditpus Rex   Jul-11-07 09:43 PM   #149 
              - No Problem  Toasterlad   Jul-12-07 09:28 AM   #153 
  - Yes.  LeftishBrit   Jul-11-07 02:15 PM   #105 
  - Yes and it also makes them a PIG OPPRESSOR!  Madspirit   Jul-11-07 02:47 PM   #109 
  - Hey -- lay off pigs already!  sfexpat2000   Jul-11-07 02:48 PM   #110 
  - Ack  Madspirit   Jul-11-07 02:57 PM   #112 
  - Amen Lee!!!!  wicket   Jul-11-07 03:22 PM   #118 
  - mmmm...... Bacon. (drool)...  BlooInBloo   Jul-11-07 04:51 PM   #132 
     - Bad BlooInBloo  Madspirit   Jul-11-07 05:54 PM   #138 
        - Oddly enough, I went thru about 5 should-I-shouldn't-I cycles....  BlooInBloo   Jul-11-07 11:23 PM   #151 
  - Politically/Psychologically  Madspirit   Jul-11-07 02:55 PM   #111 
  - It's support for writing discrimination into the Constitution....  marmar   Jul-11-07 03:00 PM   #113 
  - Absolutely.  WindRavenX   Jul-11-07 03:01 PM   #114 
  - Do hemophiliacs love blood?  Jed Dilligan   Jul-11-07 03:01 PM   #115 
  - In the weeks before the IWR vote  Pastiche423   Jul-11-07 03:16 PM   #117 
  - He voted to ban gay marriage and used the n-word in this century. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-11-07 03:25 PM   #119 
     - He's an old guy  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-11-07 04:35 PM   #127 
     - How long ago?  LanternWaste   Jul-11-07 04:52 PM   #133 
  - It's hateful and discriminatory. Is that clear enough for you?  JerseygirlCT   Jul-11-07 03:31 PM   #120 
  - Yes  bigwillq   Jul-11-07 04:18 PM   #124 
  - Yes, it is  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-11-07 04:22 PM   #125 
  - Bigoted and un-American? Absolutely. Homophobic? In my opinion, no.  LanternWaste   Jul-11-07 04:46 PM   #128 
  - Why would you say No?  bigwillq   Jul-11-07 04:50 PM   #131 
     - I don't believe one necessarily has...  LanternWaste   Jul-11-07 04:59 PM   #135 
        - I respectfully disagree  ismnotwasm   Jul-11-07 06:01 PM   #139 
  - It's thoroughly anti-gay and bigoted. Duh.  BlooInBloo   Jul-11-07 04:47 PM   #129 
  - To reiterate: yes, it is. End of discussion.  terrya   Jul-11-07 04:49 PM   #130 
  - Yup  ismnotwasm   Jul-11-07 04:55 PM   #134 
  - it has the appearance of being homophobic, no question  IEatskMeKucinich   Jul-11-07 06:51 PM   #142 
  - Yepper  Vincardog   Jul-11-07 07:11 PM   #144 
  - it's assaholish is what it is, the Constitution should not be used to deny equal rights  chimpsrsmarter   Jul-11-07 08:40 PM   #147 
  - Absofreakinlutely  gollygee   Jul-11-07 08:42 PM   #148 
  - YES IT IS!  KAT119   Jul-11-07 10:42 PM   #150 
 

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