Warren DeMontague
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Wed Jul-11-07 12:05 PM
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| 16. Yes. And fundamentally discriminatory and contrary to basic principles of equality and freedom. |
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Beyond that, who gives a shit if it's "homophobic" or not- what I'd like to see is a cogent explanation of why the marriage of two consenting adults, neither of whom are YOU, is any of YOUR fucking business at all.
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| -Is support for a Constitutional ban on gay marriage homophobic? |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 11:53 AM |
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can you explain how it might not be? |
ulysses |
Jul-11-07 11:54 AM |
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um...yes |
wuushew |
Jul-11-07 11:54 AM |
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ya' think? |
youthere |
Jul-11-07 11:55 AM |
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In the US a lot of it is about money. I.e. spouses from gay marriages wanting benefits. |
MookieWilson |
Jul-11-07 11:55 AM |
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not every anti-gay person is a homophobe. |
Rosemary2205 |
Jul-11-07 11:56 AM |
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from merriam-webster: |
ulysses |
Jul-11-07 11:58 AM |
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Aha! I stand corrected! |
Rosemary2205 |
Jul-11-07 12:10 PM |
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And from ReligiousTolerance.org... |
Sapphire Blue |
Jul-11-07 12:12 PM |
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technically true |
dmallind |
Jul-11-07 12:02 PM |
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It Does Make someone a PIG OPPRESSOR... |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:46 PM |
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Whoa! Talk about a broad brush! |
Solon |
Jul-11-07 04:16 PM |
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I suspect there's a 'not' missing from that sentence |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jul-11-07 05:03 PM |
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Thank you |
Rosemary2205 |
Jul-11-07 05:51 PM |
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Thanks for the fucking insult. n/t |
Solon |
Jul-12-07 07:08 AM |
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why do you feel that such a ban should be in place? |
Pirate looks at 50 |
Jul-11-07 11:57 AM |
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Why would it be homophobic to declare that gay people are inferior and undeserving... |
IanDB1 |
Jul-11-07 12:00 PM |
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I believe we are on the same page on this issue. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:15 PM |
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Technically not "Homophobic" but bigoted.... |
LeftHander |
Jul-11-07 12:39 PM |
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I prefer to call it. . .. |
kevinbgoode |
Jul-11-07 01:06 PM |
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EDIT: I get it now; you're continuing your argument from this thread: |
dicksteele |
Jul-11-07 12:00 PM |
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Not really. Just getting input into my usage of a term. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:08 PM |
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The originator of that thread is on my ignore list. Guess I'm not missing much. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Jul-11-07 12:18 PM |
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No...you are not. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:23 PM |
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Why can't we derail YOUR thread? |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-11-07 12:43 PM |
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You could certainly attempt to do so. I cannot control what you post here. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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Oh, for crying out loud. Yes, anyone who voted for the bill is homophobic. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:30 PM |
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not happy...saddened at the adoration of such a man. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:31 PM |
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I don't adore him. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:37 PM |
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yes. n/t |
indie_voter |
Jul-11-07 12:01 PM |
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Yep. |
mmonk |
Jul-11-07 12:02 PM |
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It would be fundamentally unAmerican and anti-Constitutional, in spirit. |
jobycom |
Jul-11-07 12:03 PM |
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Not necessarily, but it is on its face unconstitutional. |
MindPilot |
Jul-11-07 12:03 PM |
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Well no, it wouldn't be "unconstitutional" |
eggman67 |
Jul-11-07 06:38 PM |
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You don't support equal rights for gay people |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jul-11-07 12:04 PM |
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untrue...but I admire your confrontational attitude. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:15 PM |
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I apologize for that |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jul-11-07 12:30 PM |
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I seriously think that there needs to be more confrontation on... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:36 PM |
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Yes. And fundamentally discriminatory and contrary to basic principles of equality and freedom. |
impeachdubya |
Jul-11-07 12:05 PM |
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Well said, as usual |
melody |
Jul-11-07 12:18 PM |
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Thanks! |
impeachdubya |
Jul-11-07 02:44 PM |
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"Bob people"? |
kgfnally |
Jul-11-07 03:06 PM |
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His avatar is of Robert Anton Wilson |
melody |
Jul-11-07 04:02 PM |
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it is homphobic |
buddhamama |
Jul-11-07 12:05 PM |
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Thanks for the responses. It seems I am not alone in my understanding of that terms meaning. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:07 PM |
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if it was a ban on all state-licensed marriage, period, then no |
maxsolomon |
Jul-11-07 12:08 PM |
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Not only is it homophobic, it's anti-freedom. It's anti-American. |
Beelzebud |
Jul-11-07 12:10 PM |
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It Can Be, But Doesn't Have To Be |
Crisco |
Jul-11-07 12:16 PM |
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Yup n/t |
melody |
Jul-11-07 12:17 PM |
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In my book, it is |
terrya |
Jul-11-07 12:20 PM |
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It depends on the individuals motivation |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:21 PM |
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not necessarily. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-11-07 12:27 PM |
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A religious belief can be homophobic |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:34 PM |
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but it doesn't have to be. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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If a religious belief opposes homosexuality |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:48 PM |
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Sorry, QA, I'm religious myself, and the traditional doctrines on |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-11-07 04:31 PM |
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Yes, you hate Robert Byrd and think.... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jul-11-07 12:28 PM |
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To be clear, I don't hate him. I just think he's a racist and homophobe..and should retire. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:30 PM |
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He is a product of his times. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:33 PM |
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I may even be able to accept your argument, but the adoration and praise? |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:38 PM |
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What "adoration and praise?" |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:40 PM |
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you are more than welcome to make that discussion in that thread. I will respond there. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:44 PM |
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Just wondering |
dmallind |
Jul-11-07 12:38 PM |
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Yes. Changing the U.S. Constitution to prevent gay people from getting married is homophobic. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:28 PM |
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It's a sure sign of bigotry. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:31 PM |
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It is serious. I have always used the term much as the term "racist" is used... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:33 PM |
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I see now that it's serious but disingenuous - just couching for an attack on Byrd. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:37 PM |
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I made no mention of Byrd in this thread until he was brought here... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:42 PM |
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But you derailed the other thread about Byrd's speech on Iraq. |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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I'm not complaining. Derail away. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:52 PM |
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Yeah, it's sure to be scintillating. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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Can you be a bigot against gays but not homophobic? |
nini |
Jul-11-07 12:31 PM |
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Have you found another motivation that might explain it better? n/t |
Orsino |
Jul-11-07 12:34 PM |
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Here is one |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:36 PM |
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Then why amend the Constitution to specifically ban one type of marriage? |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:39 PM |
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Because they don't have the support to ban the other type yet |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:44 PM |
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I don't think that their thinking is on that high a level. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:03 PM |
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So you believe them to be one monolithic entity |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:07 PM |
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LOL! Yes - I think that the fundy right-wing trying to ban gay marriage have the intellects of ants |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:38 PM |
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Sigh |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:49 PM |
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Pfft. Straw man. No, I don't spend time thinking about the subtle nuances of bigoted thinking. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:54 PM |
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Actually no |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:58 PM |
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Let's define the terms again. We're talking about the people pushing a constitutional amendment |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 02:07 PM |
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Scale |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:11 PM |
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If you find someone who supported the constitutional amendment for reasons other than bigotry |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 02:13 PM |
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Have the fun |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:15 PM |
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I Can Make THIS Claim |
Toasterlad |
Jul-11-07 06:49 PM |
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...but in the meantime they're happy to discriminate? |
Orsino |
Jul-11-07 04:16 PM |
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I ain't buying it. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-11-07 12:39 PM |
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Thats not true |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:46 PM |
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What, all one of you? I can guarantee that eliminating state run marriage |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:04 PM |
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Are you assuming that this is my position? |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:08 PM |
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You're the only one talking about it. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:28 PM |
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I suspect |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:37 PM |
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Sorry to disappoint you, but the main emotion I'm feeling is laughter! |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:55 PM |
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Knots? |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:01 PM |
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Who said "hate" or "hate-filled"? |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 02:08 PM |
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Hate usually accompanies bigotry |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:13 PM |
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Not necessarily, but everything about it is wrong. |
porphyrian |
Jul-11-07 12:37 PM |
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Inherently, yes. |
Marr |
Jul-11-07 12:41 PM |
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yes |
sniffa |
Jul-11-07 12:42 PM |
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Can you please outline your thesis? |
wuushew |
Jul-11-07 12:46 PM |
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I use the term homophobia in much the same way "racist" is used... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:50 PM |
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Yup. Next question. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jul-11-07 01:08 PM |
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I consider it heterosupremacist |
kevinbgoode |
Jul-11-07 01:12 PM |
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Absolutely - and Senator Byrd is a racist and a homophobe. |
Balbus |
Jul-11-07 01:15 PM |
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His point is getting Byrd out of office... |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 01:25 PM |
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Well, I don't vote in West Virginia, so my support is moot. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:29 PM |
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Though it doesn't have the same formal ring, |
ContraBass Black |
Jul-11-07 01:33 PM |
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Bigoted and unconstitutional (n/t) |
mitchum |
Jul-11-07 01:39 PM |
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"Perhaps I am unclear" - - well, aren't you coy. nt |
Bluebear |
Jul-11-07 01:40 PM |
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Yeah, I got sucked in for a minute myself. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 01:43 PM |
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I've been mistaken on usage of terms before...nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 01:56 PM |
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Yes, it is. n/t |
trashcanistanista |
Jul-11-07 02:02 PM |
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Yes. Most obvious answer ever. |
MessiahRp |
Jul-11-07 02:02 PM |
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Yes it is. |
wicket |
Jul-11-07 02:07 PM |
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Of course! n/t |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-11-07 02:11 PM |
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Not necessarily |
Oeditpus Rex |
Jul-11-07 02:11 PM |
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If Your Religion is Homophobic, and You Blindly Follow It, YOU'RE Homophobic, Too. |
Toasterlad |
Jul-11-07 06:57 PM |
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Let me tell you a story |
Oeditpus Rex |
Jul-11-07 08:17 PM |
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Umm...What? |
Toasterlad |
Jul-11-07 08:38 PM |
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I guess I didn't explain very well what I meant by 'blindly' |
Oeditpus Rex |
Jul-11-07 09:43 PM |
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No Problem |
Toasterlad |
Jul-12-07 09:28 AM |
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Yes. |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-11-07 02:15 PM |
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Yes and it also makes them a PIG OPPRESSOR! |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:47 PM |
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Hey -- lay off pigs already! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-11-07 02:48 PM |
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Ack |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:57 PM |
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Amen Lee!!!! |
wicket |
Jul-11-07 03:22 PM |
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mmmm...... Bacon. (drool)... |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-11-07 04:51 PM |
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Bad BlooInBloo |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 05:54 PM |
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Oddly enough, I went thru about 5 should-I-shouldn't-I cycles.... |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-11-07 11:23 PM |
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Politically/Psychologically |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:55 PM |
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It's support for writing discrimination into the Constitution.... |
marmar |
Jul-11-07 03:00 PM |
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Absolutely. |
WindRavenX |
Jul-11-07 03:01 PM |
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Do hemophiliacs love blood? |
Jed Dilligan |
Jul-11-07 03:01 PM |
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In the weeks before the IWR vote |
Pastiche423 |
Jul-11-07 03:16 PM |
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He voted to ban gay marriage and used the n-word in this century. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 03:25 PM |
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He's an old guy |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-11-07 04:35 PM |
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How long ago? |
LanternWaste |
Jul-11-07 04:52 PM |
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It's hateful and discriminatory. Is that clear enough for you? |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-11-07 03:31 PM |
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Yes |
bigwillq |
Jul-11-07 04:18 PM |
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Yes, it is |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-11-07 04:22 PM |
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Bigoted and un-American? Absolutely. Homophobic? In my opinion, no. |
LanternWaste |
Jul-11-07 04:46 PM |
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Why would you say No? |
bigwillq |
Jul-11-07 04:50 PM |
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I don't believe one necessarily has... |
LanternWaste |
Jul-11-07 04:59 PM |
#135 |
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I respectfully disagree |
ismnotwasm |
Jul-11-07 06:01 PM |
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It's thoroughly anti-gay and bigoted. Duh. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-11-07 04:47 PM |
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To reiterate: yes, it is. End of discussion. |
terrya |
Jul-11-07 04:49 PM |
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Yup |
ismnotwasm |
Jul-11-07 04:55 PM |
#134 |
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it has the appearance of being homophobic, no question |
IEatskMeKucinich |
Jul-11-07 06:51 PM |
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Yepper |
Vincardog |
Jul-11-07 07:11 PM |
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it's assaholish is what it is, the Constitution should not be used to deny equal rights |
chimpsrsmarter |
Jul-11-07 08:40 PM |
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Absofreakinlutely |
gollygee |
Jul-11-07 08:42 PM |
#148 |
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YES IT IS! |
KAT119 |
Jul-11-07 10:42 PM |
#150 |
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