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Wed Jul-11-07 12:03 PM
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| 14. Not necessarily, but it is on its face unconstitutional. |
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The Constitution is a document which establishes how the government works and what powers it has. The Bill of Rights limits those powers. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are not instruments for controlling individual citizen's behavior; they are for establishing and limiting governmental powers.
A Constitutional amendment prohibiting the government from interfering with the right of gays to marry, now that would make sense.
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| -Is support for a Constitutional ban on gay marriage homophobic? |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 11:53 AM |
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can you explain how it might not be? |
ulysses |
Jul-11-07 11:54 AM |
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um...yes |
wuushew |
Jul-11-07 11:54 AM |
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ya' think? |
youthere |
Jul-11-07 11:55 AM |
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In the US a lot of it is about money. I.e. spouses from gay marriages wanting benefits. |
MookieWilson |
Jul-11-07 11:55 AM |
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not every anti-gay person is a homophobe. |
Rosemary2205 |
Jul-11-07 11:56 AM |
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from merriam-webster: |
ulysses |
Jul-11-07 11:58 AM |
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Aha! I stand corrected! |
Rosemary2205 |
Jul-11-07 12:10 PM |
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And from ReligiousTolerance.org... |
Sapphire Blue |
Jul-11-07 12:12 PM |
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technically true |
dmallind |
Jul-11-07 12:02 PM |
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It Does Make someone a PIG OPPRESSOR... |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:46 PM |
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Whoa! Talk about a broad brush! |
Solon |
Jul-11-07 04:16 PM |
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I suspect there's a 'not' missing from that sentence |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jul-11-07 05:03 PM |
#136 |
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Thank you |
Rosemary2205 |
Jul-11-07 05:51 PM |
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Thanks for the fucking insult. n/t |
Solon |
Jul-12-07 07:08 AM |
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why do you feel that such a ban should be in place? |
Pirate looks at 50 |
Jul-11-07 11:57 AM |
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Why would it be homophobic to declare that gay people are inferior and undeserving... |
IanDB1 |
Jul-11-07 12:00 PM |
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I believe we are on the same page on this issue. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:15 PM |
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Technically not "Homophobic" but bigoted.... |
LeftHander |
Jul-11-07 12:39 PM |
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I prefer to call it. . .. |
kevinbgoode |
Jul-11-07 01:06 PM |
#74 |
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EDIT: I get it now; you're continuing your argument from this thread: |
dicksteele |
Jul-11-07 12:00 PM |
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Not really. Just getting input into my usage of a term. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:08 PM |
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The originator of that thread is on my ignore list. Guess I'm not missing much. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Jul-11-07 12:18 PM |
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No...you are not. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:23 PM |
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Why can't we derail YOUR thread? |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-11-07 12:43 PM |
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You could certainly attempt to do so. I cannot control what you post here. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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Oh, for crying out loud. Yes, anyone who voted for the bill is homophobic. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:30 PM |
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not happy...saddened at the adoration of such a man. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:31 PM |
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I don't adore him. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:37 PM |
#48 |
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yes. n/t |
indie_voter |
Jul-11-07 12:01 PM |
#10 |
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Yep. |
mmonk |
Jul-11-07 12:02 PM |
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It would be fundamentally unAmerican and anti-Constitutional, in spirit. |
jobycom |
Jul-11-07 12:03 PM |
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Not necessarily, but it is on its face unconstitutional. |
MindPilot |
Jul-11-07 12:03 PM |
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Well no, it wouldn't be "unconstitutional" |
eggman67 |
Jul-11-07 06:38 PM |
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You don't support equal rights for gay people |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jul-11-07 12:04 PM |
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untrue...but I admire your confrontational attitude. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:15 PM |
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I apologize for that |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jul-11-07 12:30 PM |
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I seriously think that there needs to be more confrontation on... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:36 PM |
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Yes. And fundamentally discriminatory and contrary to basic principles of equality and freedom. |
impeachdubya |
Jul-11-07 12:05 PM |
#16 |
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Well said, as usual |
melody |
Jul-11-07 12:18 PM |
#28 |
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Thanks! |
impeachdubya |
Jul-11-07 02:44 PM |
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"Bob people"? |
kgfnally |
Jul-11-07 03:06 PM |
#116 |
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His avatar is of Robert Anton Wilson |
melody |
Jul-11-07 04:02 PM |
#121 |
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it is homphobic |
buddhamama |
Jul-11-07 12:05 PM |
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Thanks for the responses. It seems I am not alone in my understanding of that terms meaning. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:07 PM |
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if it was a ban on all state-licensed marriage, period, then no |
maxsolomon |
Jul-11-07 12:08 PM |
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Not only is it homophobic, it's anti-freedom. It's anti-American. |
Beelzebud |
Jul-11-07 12:10 PM |
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It Can Be, But Doesn't Have To Be |
Crisco |
Jul-11-07 12:16 PM |
#26 |
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Yup n/t |
melody |
Jul-11-07 12:17 PM |
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In my book, it is |
terrya |
Jul-11-07 12:20 PM |
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It depends on the individuals motivation |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:21 PM |
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not necessarily. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-11-07 12:27 PM |
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A religious belief can be homophobic |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:34 PM |
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but it doesn't have to be. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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If a religious belief opposes homosexuality |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:48 PM |
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Sorry, QA, I'm religious myself, and the traditional doctrines on |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-11-07 04:31 PM |
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Yes, you hate Robert Byrd and think.... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jul-11-07 12:28 PM |
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To be clear, I don't hate him. I just think he's a racist and homophobe..and should retire. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:30 PM |
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He is a product of his times. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:33 PM |
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I may even be able to accept your argument, but the adoration and praise? |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:38 PM |
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What "adoration and praise?" |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:40 PM |
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you are more than welcome to make that discussion in that thread. I will respond there. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:44 PM |
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Just wondering |
dmallind |
Jul-11-07 12:38 PM |
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Yes. Changing the U.S. Constitution to prevent gay people from getting married is homophobic. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:28 PM |
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It's a sure sign of bigotry. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:31 PM |
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It is serious. I have always used the term much as the term "racist" is used... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:33 PM |
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I see now that it's serious but disingenuous - just couching for an attack on Byrd. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:37 PM |
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I made no mention of Byrd in this thread until he was brought here... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:42 PM |
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But you derailed the other thread about Byrd's speech on Iraq. |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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I'm not complaining. Derail away. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:52 PM |
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Yeah, it's sure to be scintillating. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 12:45 PM |
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Can you be a bigot against gays but not homophobic? |
nini |
Jul-11-07 12:31 PM |
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Have you found another motivation that might explain it better? n/t |
Orsino |
Jul-11-07 12:34 PM |
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Here is one |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:36 PM |
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Then why amend the Constitution to specifically ban one type of marriage? |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 12:39 PM |
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Because they don't have the support to ban the other type yet |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:44 PM |
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I don't think that their thinking is on that high a level. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:03 PM |
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So you believe them to be one monolithic entity |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:07 PM |
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LOL! Yes - I think that the fundy right-wing trying to ban gay marriage have the intellects of ants |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:38 PM |
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Sigh |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:49 PM |
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Pfft. Straw man. No, I don't spend time thinking about the subtle nuances of bigoted thinking. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:54 PM |
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Actually no |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:58 PM |
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Let's define the terms again. We're talking about the people pushing a constitutional amendment |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 02:07 PM |
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Scale |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:11 PM |
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If you find someone who supported the constitutional amendment for reasons other than bigotry |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 02:13 PM |
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Have the fun |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:15 PM |
#106 |
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I Can Make THIS Claim |
Toasterlad |
Jul-11-07 06:49 PM |
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...but in the meantime they're happy to discriminate? |
Orsino |
Jul-11-07 04:16 PM |
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I ain't buying it. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-11-07 12:39 PM |
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Thats not true |
Az |
Jul-11-07 12:46 PM |
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What, all one of you? I can guarantee that eliminating state run marriage |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:04 PM |
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Are you assuming that this is my position? |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:08 PM |
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You're the only one talking about it. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:28 PM |
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I suspect |
Az |
Jul-11-07 01:37 PM |
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Sorry to disappoint you, but the main emotion I'm feeling is laughter! |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:55 PM |
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Knots? |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:01 PM |
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Who said "hate" or "hate-filled"? |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 02:08 PM |
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Hate usually accompanies bigotry |
Az |
Jul-11-07 02:13 PM |
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Not necessarily, but everything about it is wrong. |
porphyrian |
Jul-11-07 12:37 PM |
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Inherently, yes. |
Marr |
Jul-11-07 12:41 PM |
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yes |
sniffa |
Jul-11-07 12:42 PM |
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Can you please outline your thesis? |
wuushew |
Jul-11-07 12:46 PM |
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I use the term homophobia in much the same way "racist" is used... |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 12:50 PM |
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Yup. Next question. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jul-11-07 01:08 PM |
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I consider it heterosupremacist |
kevinbgoode |
Jul-11-07 01:12 PM |
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Absolutely - and Senator Byrd is a racist and a homophobe. |
Balbus |
Jul-11-07 01:15 PM |
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His point is getting Byrd out of office... |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 01:25 PM |
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Well, I don't vote in West Virginia, so my support is moot. |
yardwork |
Jul-11-07 01:29 PM |
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Though it doesn't have the same formal ring, |
ContraBass Black |
Jul-11-07 01:33 PM |
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Bigoted and unconstitutional (n/t) |
mitchum |
Jul-11-07 01:39 PM |
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"Perhaps I am unclear" - - well, aren't you coy. nt |
Bluebear |
Jul-11-07 01:40 PM |
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Yeah, I got sucked in for a minute myself. |
Matsubara |
Jul-11-07 01:43 PM |
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I've been mistaken on usage of terms before...nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 01:56 PM |
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Yes, it is. n/t |
trashcanistanista |
Jul-11-07 02:02 PM |
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Yes. Most obvious answer ever. |
MessiahRp |
Jul-11-07 02:02 PM |
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Yes it is. |
wicket |
Jul-11-07 02:07 PM |
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Of course! n/t |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-11-07 02:11 PM |
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Not necessarily |
Oeditpus Rex |
Jul-11-07 02:11 PM |
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If Your Religion is Homophobic, and You Blindly Follow It, YOU'RE Homophobic, Too. |
Toasterlad |
Jul-11-07 06:57 PM |
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Let me tell you a story |
Oeditpus Rex |
Jul-11-07 08:17 PM |
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Umm...What? |
Toasterlad |
Jul-11-07 08:38 PM |
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I guess I didn't explain very well what I meant by 'blindly' |
Oeditpus Rex |
Jul-11-07 09:43 PM |
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No Problem |
Toasterlad |
Jul-12-07 09:28 AM |
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Yes. |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-11-07 02:15 PM |
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Yes and it also makes them a PIG OPPRESSOR! |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:47 PM |
#109 |
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Hey -- lay off pigs already! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-11-07 02:48 PM |
#110 |
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Ack |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:57 PM |
#112 |
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Amen Lee!!!! |
wicket |
Jul-11-07 03:22 PM |
#118 |
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mmmm...... Bacon. (drool)... |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-11-07 04:51 PM |
#132 |
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Bad BlooInBloo |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 05:54 PM |
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Oddly enough, I went thru about 5 should-I-shouldn't-I cycles.... |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-11-07 11:23 PM |
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Politically/Psychologically |
Madspirit |
Jul-11-07 02:55 PM |
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It's support for writing discrimination into the Constitution.... |
marmar |
Jul-11-07 03:00 PM |
#113 |
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Absolutely. |
WindRavenX |
Jul-11-07 03:01 PM |
#114 |
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Do hemophiliacs love blood? |
Jed Dilligan |
Jul-11-07 03:01 PM |
#115 |
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In the weeks before the IWR vote |
Pastiche423 |
Jul-11-07 03:16 PM |
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He voted to ban gay marriage and used the n-word in this century. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jul-11-07 03:25 PM |
#119 |
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He's an old guy |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-11-07 04:35 PM |
#127 |
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How long ago? |
LanternWaste |
Jul-11-07 04:52 PM |
#133 |
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It's hateful and discriminatory. Is that clear enough for you? |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-11-07 03:31 PM |
#120 |
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Yes |
bigwillq |
Jul-11-07 04:18 PM |
#124 |
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Yes, it is |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-11-07 04:22 PM |
#125 |
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Bigoted and un-American? Absolutely. Homophobic? In my opinion, no. |
LanternWaste |
Jul-11-07 04:46 PM |
#128 |
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Why would you say No? |
bigwillq |
Jul-11-07 04:50 PM |
#131 |
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I don't believe one necessarily has... |
LanternWaste |
Jul-11-07 04:59 PM |
#135 |
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I respectfully disagree |
ismnotwasm |
Jul-11-07 06:01 PM |
#139 |
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It's thoroughly anti-gay and bigoted. Duh. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-11-07 04:47 PM |
#129 |
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To reiterate: yes, it is. End of discussion. |
terrya |
Jul-11-07 04:49 PM |
#130 |
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Yup |
ismnotwasm |
Jul-11-07 04:55 PM |
#134 |
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it has the appearance of being homophobic, no question |
IEatskMeKucinich |
Jul-11-07 06:51 PM |
#142 |
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Yepper |
Vincardog |
Jul-11-07 07:11 PM |
#144 |
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it's assaholish is what it is, the Constitution should not be used to deny equal rights |
chimpsrsmarter |
Jul-11-07 08:40 PM |
#147 |
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Absofreakinlutely |
gollygee |
Jul-11-07 08:42 PM |
#148 |
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YES IT IS! |
KAT119 |
Jul-11-07 10:42 PM |
#150 |
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