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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:51 PM
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37. There is a difference between making love and being raped.
I will get back to you in a couple of days, for I am heading to the airport (ugh) right now.

I would like to explain how I feel to you.

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  -About the Shehan thing... marano35  Jul-09-07 07:58 PM   #0 
  - Maybe I jumped to quick  marano35   Jul-09-07 08:04 PM   #1 
  - The National Anthem, et. al. are NOT political!!!  Rick Myers   Jul-09-07 08:08 PM   #2 
  - My wife? My Mom and Dad...  marano35   Jul-09-07 08:10 PM   #3 
  - Citizen of the world?  Rick Myers   Jul-09-07 08:12 PM   #5 
  - Am I still on the same site  marano35   Jul-09-07 08:13 PM   #8 
  - Back Off  Madspirit   Jul-09-07 08:23 PM   #20 
  - You are really nasty. why?  robinlynne   Jul-09-07 09:43 PM   #64 
  - If you haven't seen this already  lwfern   Jul-09-07 11:17 PM   #116 
  - The national anthem isn't political?  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 08:14 PM   #9 
     - If it is political, which party OWNS it?  Rick Myers   Jul-09-07 08:31 PM   #26 
     - Polity, nation, oh my. The only purpose of a national anthem  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 09:48 PM   #68 
     - No, it's not. It's a tribute to our country, which I happen to love.  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 08:35 PM   #30 
        - Yikes. The national anthem  lwfern   Jul-09-07 11:54 PM   #131 
  - If you no longer pledge allegience to the U.S.  Zywiec   Jul-09-07 08:11 PM   #4 
  - Because nationalism is a must for any citizen?  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 08:12 PM   #6 
  - You can still love your country and take issue with political decisions made by its leadership  MADem   Jul-09-07 09:07 PM   #43 
     - I have a question...  Solon   Jul-09-07 09:15 PM   #45 
     - If you were born here, that makes you an American.  MADem   Jul-09-07 09:59 PM   #75 
        - This isn't an either/or question...  Solon   Jul-09-07 10:11 PM   #82 
           - Well,I'm telling you that here in the USA, you commit no "great crime"  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:16 PM   #85 
              - Its not that I view such feelings as unworthy as I view them as dangerous...  Solon   Jul-09-07 10:22 PM   #88 
              - That feeling of "danger" is more about you, though, than anyone else.  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:29 PM   #94 
                 - Taking pride from association is a logical fallacy...  Solon   Jul-09-07 10:33 PM   #98 
                 - Clearly, your mileage varies. You can say it's a logical fallacy, but then, you don't know what it  MADem   Jul-09-07 11:08 PM   #113 
                    - I'm guessing the Native Americans would have preferred it  lwfern   Jul-10-07 12:06 AM   #132 
                 - My other problem with Patriotism is that its exclusionary...  Solon   Jul-09-07 10:50 PM   #111 
                    - It's not as exclusionary in the US as it is in other lands, though.  MADem   Jul-09-07 11:23 PM   #118 
              - Reread this thread and check out where the intolerance is coming from.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 10:28 PM   #91 
                 - As far as I can tell, Patriotism breeds intolerance, whether of the "enemy of the week" or those...  Solon   Jul-09-07 10:30 PM   #95 
                 - Well, that's your opinion. As far as YOU can tell, and YOU don't see the point.  MADem   Jul-09-07 11:28 PM   #122 
                 - What, it's verboten to note where the slings and arrows are coming from?  MADem   Jul-09-07 11:26 PM   #120 
     - That may well be your big picture. It isn't mine.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 09:52 PM   #71 
        - And that's the beauty of America. You're quite free to have a different "big picture."  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:18 PM   #86 
           - That's the beauty of many places although not in China --  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 10:20 PM   #87 
              - North Korea, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, Iran....  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:23 PM   #89 
                 - And there are quite a few places that are much more democratic  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 10:30 PM   #96 
                    - And that's fine. You don't have to have any nationalistic bones at all.  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:46 PM   #107 
                       - My grandfather was kidnapped by his government and held  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 10:48 PM   #110 
                       - Good thing for a country named North Korea!  Phrogman   Jul-10-07 07:05 AM   #133 
                          - That would be a really interesting thing to study, how different  sfexpat2000   Jul-10-07 12:43 PM   #134 
                          - Pull in to Bandar Abbas in Iran and then get back to me. NT  MADem   Jul-10-07 03:44 PM   #139 
                             - Another fan of Google Earth.  Phrogman   Jul-10-07 06:38 PM   #140 
                                - I used to live there...not in Bandar Abbas, but in Iran.  MADem   Jul-10-07 07:24 PM   #141 
  - She Does Not Have to Pledge Allegiance  Madspirit   Jul-09-07 08:15 PM   #11 
  - LOL - Pledge Police...  Zywiec   Jul-09-07 08:21 PM   #15 
  - They don't need to swear an oath, they just need to declare themselves however they want, and act  uppityperson   Jul-09-07 10:38 PM   #103 
  - I hope you DO NOT vote! That would be a felony!  Rick Myers   Jul-09-07 08:32 PM   #27 
     - Dude you are just flame baiting  Moochy   Jul-09-07 10:28 PM   #93 
     - Why are you so nasty?  uppityperson   Jul-09-07 10:41 PM   #106 
  - Are you kidding?  TomInTib   Jul-09-07 08:22 PM   #19 
  - That's the attitude! Are you just sticking around for...what, then?  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 08:30 PM   #24 
     - I am sticking around because I love the place where I live.  TomInTib   Jul-09-07 08:44 PM   #32 
     - Don't understand how you can fight for your country and not feel love and loyalty for it--  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 08:49 PM   #36 
        - There is a difference between making love and being raped.  TomInTib   Jul-09-07 08:51 PM   #37 
           - That's a pretty hideous analogy. IMO. nt  MADem   Jul-09-07 08:54 PM   #39 
              - As a veteran who also doesn't say the pledge  lwfern   Jul-09-07 10:28 PM   #92 
                 - Well, my mileage varies. But this is America, you're free to hold that view. NT  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:31 PM   #97 
     - I'm a fan of America, too. I don't happen to like the present leadership, but this  MADem   Jul-09-07 08:53 PM   #38 
     - love it or leave it, eh?  frylock   Jul-09-07 09:05 PM   #42 
        - Why are the two thoughts automatically diametrically opposed in your mind?  MADem   Jul-09-07 09:17 PM   #46 
           - Some people feel more loyalty and love towards PEOPLE rather than lines in dirt...  Solon   Jul-09-07 09:29 PM   #53 
              - Well, that's your opinion, and you have a right to it. But others do feel differently.  MADem   Jul-09-07 09:42 PM   #62 
              - First I find it rather sad that you have to compare the United States to Iran...  Solon   Jul-09-07 09:48 PM   #69 
                 - Gee, how about I compare the two because I have LIVED in both of them?  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:00 PM   #77 
                    - Well, at least you have a fair comparison, I guess...  Solon   Jul-09-07 10:25 PM   #90 
              - My great-grandfather left Italy, and his wife and children, in the 1910's--  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 09:44 PM   #65 
                 - Sentimental but not really relevant to my point...  Solon   Jul-09-07 09:59 PM   #76 
                    - What's the ratio of people leaving here vs people wanting to come here? n/t  Zywiec   Jul-09-07 10:02 PM   #78 
                    - Not just sentimental--MUCH more than that--it's the American Dream.  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 10:09 PM   #81 
                       - At the time it was probably the political instability and threat of war that made them flee to...  Solon   Jul-09-07 10:40 PM   #105 
  - Heil Hitler Y'all  HughMoran   Jul-09-07 08:34 PM   #28 
  - Do you have pledge allegience to be a citizen?  uppityperson   Jul-09-07 09:26 PM   #50 
     - Yes you do have to pledge allegiance to be a citizen  Zywiec   Jul-09-07 09:35 PM   #57 
        - ah part of the problem  marano35   Jul-09-07 09:39 PM   #59 
        - Why is that a problem?  Zywiec   Jul-09-07 09:56 PM   #74 
        - Wrong. You say this if you are BECOMING a citizen, not if you already are one  uppityperson   Jul-09-07 10:37 PM   #101 
        - If You're Born Here...YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLEDGE A GOD DAMNED THING!  Madspirit   Jul-09-07 10:47 PM   #108 
  - You don't have to support Pelosi, blindly or any other way  LittleClarkie   Jul-09-07 08:13 PM   #7 
  - Good god  marano35   Jul-09-07 08:15 PM   #10 
  - We are  Swamp Rat   Jul-09-07 08:17 PM   #13 
  - Agree  Raine   Jul-09-07 08:29 PM   #23 
  - What're you? Some kind of American or something?  BuyingThyme   Jul-09-07 08:17 PM   #12 
  - Been here for quite a while...  marano35   Jul-09-07 08:19 PM   #14 
  - k&r...n/t  Madspirit   Jul-09-07 08:21 PM   #16 
  - I guess the way we will know...  OlderButWiser   Jul-09-07 08:22 PM   #17 
  - I agree that Gore should run as an indie...  polichick   Jul-09-07 08:22 PM   #18 
  - Yeah, you're right. I forgot she made Chimp stop the war.  karlrschneider   Jul-09-07 09:21 PM   #48 
     - Yes, how silly of you...  polichick   Jul-09-07 10:34 PM   #100 
        - The problem, obviously, is that most of us 'pro-peace' types are still ignored  karlrschneider   Jul-09-07 10:40 PM   #104 
           - Obviously, the upside is that most Americans are now against the war...  polichick   Jul-09-07 10:47 PM   #109 
              - Nobody despises those lunatics any more than I do. Please believe that.  karlrschneider   Jul-09-07 11:11 PM   #114 
  - If Al Gore runs as anything other than a Dem, then good luck to him--  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 08:23 PM   #21 
  - I don't know why anybody thinks that it would even occur to him..  Virginia Dare   Jul-10-07 12:48 PM   #135 
  - Pledging "allegiance" to anything is downright medieval. K&R  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-09-07 08:26 PM   #22 
  - Good post. I agree.  Vidar   Jul-09-07 08:30 PM   #25 
  - Of a thread ever fell off the rails, this was it!!!  Rick Myers   Jul-09-07 08:34 PM   #29 
  - Kicking!  Madspirit   Jul-09-07 08:40 PM   #31 
  - Gee, you might want to review those DU rules, there.  MADem   Jul-09-07 08:45 PM   #33 
  - How easily you take for granted what we have in this country--  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 08:47 PM   #34 
  - I served 20 years in our military  marano35   Jul-09-07 08:58 PM   #40 
  - While my grandfather and great uncle...  marano35   Jul-09-07 09:20 PM   #47 
  - Well, I served much longer than you did  MADem   Jul-09-07 09:23 PM   #49 
  - Sorry about the spelling  marano35   Jul-09-07 09:27 PM   #51 
     - A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Shakespeare.  MADem   Jul-09-07 09:28 PM   #52 
        - Never said it was  marano35   Jul-09-07 09:32 PM   #56 
  - That's where you and I part company then--I did not serve, but I am married  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 09:31 PM   #55 
  - Well it was never your ass on the line  marano35   Jul-09-07 09:36 PM   #58 
     - I happen to think that the military spouses (once called "dependents") also serve.  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:11 PM   #83 
        - Thanks for that kind recognition, on behalf of military spouses everywhere!  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 11:16 PM   #115 
           - You're more than welcome. They have a rough row to hoe, especially lately.  MADem   Jul-09-07 11:31 PM   #124 
              - You're right--I am an active-duty spouse, and it's got to be tougher  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 11:42 PM   #129 
                 - And so many of them live far from bases--the old two weekends a month, two weeks a year  MADem   Jul-09-07 11:49 PM   #130 
  - Why would you serve in the military? It seems counter to your OP  nini   Jul-10-07 12:52 PM   #137 
  - Best bumper sticker I've seen in years:  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-09-07 09:01 PM   #41 
  - Arrogance is unbecoming, period...  Solon   Jul-09-07 09:07 PM   #44 
  - Wow.  lwfern   Jul-09-07 10:38 PM   #102 
     - I said that slaves contributed to the building of this country--willing or not,  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-07 11:32 PM   #125 
        - Their experience and suffering is a national tragedy -  lwfern   Jul-09-07 11:39 PM   #127 
           - Plenty of our ancestors came here..  Virginia Dare   Jul-10-07 02:38 PM   #138 
  - I Hope Nancy Wipes The Electoral Floor With Her. n/t  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jul-09-07 08:48 PM   #35 
  - Welcome to DU, or to posting more, and I agree with what you write.  uppityperson   Jul-09-07 09:29 PM   #54 
  - People have a right to support her running, to oppose her running,  Sparkly   Jul-09-07 09:39 PM   #60 
  - public, private  marano35   Jul-09-07 09:41 PM   #61 
     - I don't understand your point.  Sparkly   Jul-09-07 09:43 PM   #63 
        - a site like this...  marano35   Jul-09-07 09:48 PM   #67 
           - You have a right to your opinion.  Sparkly   Jul-09-07 09:53 PM   #72 
           - supporting left wing 3rd parties after 2000  hfojvt   Jul-09-07 09:54 PM   #73 
           - You really should read and adhere to the DU rules. It's not "optional"  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:04 PM   #79 
  - It's not about opposing her running  Marrah_G   Jul-09-07 09:46 PM   #66 
  - Jean Shehan?  chimpsrsmarter   Jul-09-07 09:49 PM   #70 
  - Jean Shaheen, from NH???  MADem   Jul-09-07 10:06 PM   #80 
     - the spelling the op you know? I like Jean Shean, she's good person.  chimpsrsmarter   Jul-09-07 10:13 PM   #84 
  - Its not Cindy running that has me worked up  creeksneakers2   Jul-09-07 10:33 PM   #99 
     - Excuse me? Those radical types who fought for women's suffrage  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 11:03 PM   #112 
        - Not those kinds of radicals  creeksneakers2   Jul-09-07 11:22 PM   #117 
           - Um, this crowd noticed that Nancy backed an anti choice guy  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 11:24 PM   #119 
              - There is a mob here  creeksneakers2   Jul-09-07 11:27 PM   #121 
              - Nancy did not back the pro choice candidate for DNC chair.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 11:30 PM   #123 
                 - There is no purity in politics...  Virginia Dare   Jul-10-07 12:51 PM   #136 
              - She also backed an antichoice one as her whip, but no one had a problem with that.  MADem   Jul-09-07 11:37 PM   #126 
                 - I will never minimize the situation that Nancy has had to handle.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 11:41 PM   #128 

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