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Reply #105: Does it make you feel better to believe that? [View All]

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105. Does it make you feel better to believe that?
Can you consider that some of the responses here might be from people who believe that Earth and its community of life should be regarded with reverence and not demeaned by platitudes born of wishful thinking?

The indigenous human cultures that provide diverse examples of how humans can live with sustainability on this planet didn't come to be that way because they prayed hard enough to the right God/s or because they had meaningful dialogs with other animals and plants. They came to be that way because they simply kept on doing what worked for them for hundreds of generations over the 3 million year course of human evolution, and they didn't adopt the idea that the Earth was made for humans to conquer and rule.

An intimate communion with a turtle will never provide the change of vision required for our culture to alter its course away from forcing 200 species a day into extinction. We need to look at what does and what does not work in the world with an analytical mindset free of our cultural biases. There is no secret hidden from our view that needs to be revealed by animal spirits, angels, or aliens. The answers are to be found out in the open, plainly, using science. Science is your friend and has nothing contrary to say about properly respecting our biosphere and its inhabitants. Magical thinking, anthropomorphic arrogance, and lack of foresight are what has largely brought the Earth bleeding to our feet.

Evidence based worldviews are a path of hope to the future, while lucid dreams and daytime fantasies only provide fleeting escape from the harsh reality that we are all captives of a civilization that compels us to continue destroying the world.
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  I have to ask...anyone else experiencing this? "Hearing" nature? BeHereNow  Jul-09-07 02:56 AM   #0 
   My dog's been very gassy today  MonkeyFunk   Jul-09-07 02:59 AM   #1 
   I see your dog takes after you.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:01 AM   #3 
      You can smell  MonkeyFunk   Jul-09-07 03:03 AM   #4 
         No, I was referring to your tendency to gassing off on DU.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:17 AM   #9 
            ah  MonkeyFunk   Jul-09-07 05:57 AM   #53 
   I don't think you're crazy  emilyg   Jul-09-07 02:59 AM   #2 
   Okay- at the risk of sounding completely nuts.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:15 AM   #8 
      Interesting!  loudsue   Jul-09-07 03:51 AM   #36 
      Yes, we ARE supposed to. Please take a look at the Kogi links on this thread.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 04:00 AM   #41 
         kogis?  sheeptramp   Jul-09-07 08:41 AM   #63 
            lol  rhiannon55   Jul-11-07 01:28 AM   #156 
      Bravo  emilyg   Jul-09-07 02:09 PM   #82 
      Saturday morning a voice woke me up saying, "Mom, something smells good."  Blue in Portland   Jul-09-07 03:15 PM   #92 
      you aren't crazy. you have empathy. you get it from being close to  roguevalley   Jul-10-07 02:14 AM   #126 
      you are just fine. Just more sensitive than most.  librechik   Jul-10-07 03:01 PM   #146 
   yes, i have 'communed' with animals.  wildhorses   Jul-09-07 03:04 AM   #5 
   You are not crazy  Truthiness Inspector   Jul-09-07 03:08 AM   #6 
   I don't think I know what you mean by "unexpected".  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 03:13 AM   #7 
   Didn't you hear the one about the chicken who crossed the road?  Truthiness Inspector   Jul-09-07 03:19 AM   #10 
   I agree completely, and I think that is what is wrong with the earth today- we stopped listening.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:24 AM   #14 
   Upthread I posted about bees drowning in my pool.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:20 AM   #12 
      I've always had that channel ON, I don't know why or how.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-07 03:28 AM   #17 
      Chances are there are always a few insects in your pool.  screembloodymurder   Jul-09-07 04:54 PM   #108 
   I don't think you are crazy...  48percenter   Jul-09-07 03:19 AM   #11 
   That's like my oak tree out front.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:23 AM   #13 
      I like to think the more spiritually evolved people are  48percenter   Jul-09-07 03:25 AM   #15 
      The Kogi would agree with you about "organized religion."  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:42 AM   #26 
      I've actually heard trees "speak," as well, but I have to admit  Clark2008   Jul-11-07 06:33 PM   #170 
         It's on our parkway- city property, supposedly "protected" life.  BeHereNow   Jul-12-07 12:47 AM   #172 
   Well, what are you experiencing?  Pigwidgeon   Jul-09-07 03:26 AM   #16 
   I have kept dream journals all my life-  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:31 AM   #19 
   pgwidgeon are you familiar w. barbara walker?  pitohui   Jul-11-07 04:13 PM   #163 
   Are you talking about  Mojorabbit   Jul-09-07 03:29 AM   #18 
   More like "hearing" them.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:33 AM   #20 
   I think I get what you are saying  Mojorabbit   Jul-09-07 03:43 AM   #29 
   Ever get into deep meditation BHN?  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:54 AM   #37 
      Where are you? Vortex...  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:59 AM   #40 
         Thompson Park NY believe it or not, in Watertown  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 04:02 AM   #42 
         Don't be afraid.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 04:05 AM   #44 
         I've been knocked unconscious by a spirit  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 04:07 AM   #47 
         I was in the center of a vortex this weekend.  conscious evolution   Jul-09-07 07:23 AM   #56 
         What you describe about waking dreams and such  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 04:06 AM   #45 
            And the compassion towards all living things is because we SHARE that path with them.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 04:10 AM   #48 
               It is time to gather allies.  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 04:11 AM   #49 
                  I could not agree more.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 04:13 AM   #51 
   .  Old Broad   Jul-09-07 12:22 PM   #77 
   My squirrel story:  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-10-07 03:07 AM   #128 
      lol! nt  glitch   Jul-10-07 11:29 AM   #139 
      MAN, you could have at least included a "keyboard alert" in subject line!!!  BeHereNow   Jul-10-07 05:54 PM   #147 
         I've got a great cat story, well, plywood cat story.  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-10-07 07:15 PM   #150 
            Animals get embarrassed you know...I hope you didn't laugh!  BeHereNow   Jul-10-07 07:28 PM   #151 
   "Noise"  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:35 AM   #21 
   I understand- I call it- "I have no skin and the world hurts"  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:38 AM   #23 
   Yeah, my own mental/spiritual issues are manifesting in my writing  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:41 AM   #25 
   You are an excellent writer-  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:43 AM   #28 
      Lately my thoughts are grim  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:45 AM   #31 
         Kahlil Gibran-  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:48 AM   #34 
   "I have no skin and the world hurts"  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:48 AM   #33 
      So happy to know that you understand.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:55 AM   #38 
      Indeed  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:58 AM   #39 
         "listening" to the  Bluerthanblue   Jul-09-07 03:36 PM   #101 
      It only hurts  conscious evolution   Jul-10-07 06:17 PM   #149 
   That's a great poem, shadowknows...  loudsue   Jul-09-07 04:04 AM   #43 
   I think you're making connections that don't really exist.  greyl   Jul-09-07 03:37 AM   #22 
   Oki  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:39 AM   #24 
   You're right.  cobalt1999   Jul-09-07 08:06 AM   #59 
   And that feeds into the argument of soft science vs. hard science  48percenter   Jul-09-07 08:32 AM   #60 
   so you are predisposed to believe, have at it.  cobalt1999   Jul-09-07 09:48 AM   #68 
   I was "predisposed" to believe in Christianity  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 12:17 PM   #75 
   read a little further up.  cobalt1999   Jul-09-07 12:54 PM   #79 
   uh, no, it's not just a belief system  NJCher   Jul-09-07 02:16 PM   #83 
      Sorry, but psychic conversations with bugs and plants...  cobalt1999   Jul-09-07 02:45 PM   #87 
      The scientific method is designed to find and fill the "holes"  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 07:24 PM   #115 
      bring yourself up to speed  NJCher   Jul-09-07 08:58 PM   #119 
      Beyond rational certainty and into the realm of  greyl   Jul-09-07 02:58 PM   #89 
   Since when does  edhopper   Jul-09-07 10:08 AM   #71 
   And your own input sample provides its own pattern segment to this particular topic.  glitch   Jul-10-07 12:02 PM   #142 
   Good point - nature is a bitch if you're the one getting eaten, but that's the system.  Matsubara   Jul-09-07 08:54 AM   #65 
   When I was 9  goodgd_yall   Jul-09-07 03:42 AM   #27 
   We have some nasty insects and spiders  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:44 AM   #30 
      Sage works wonders.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 03:46 AM   #32 
         hmm I do have some too  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 03:49 AM   #35 
         Thank you! That helps me.  glitch   Jul-10-07 11:47 AM   #140 
   The mixed animal Oscar was "born" out of just such a state that I was in.  A-Schwarzenegger   Jul-09-07 04:06 AM   #46 
   LOL  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 04:12 AM   #50 
   You're welcome, but I meant it.  A-Schwarzenegger   Jul-09-07 04:29 AM   #52 
      Oscar helps us suspend rational thought and access a different part of our life experience!  cryingshame   Jul-09-07 08:40 AM   #62 
         He prefers extra-rational.  A-Schwarzenegger   Jul-09-07 03:09 PM   #91 
   Ohhh no.  lildreamer316   Jul-09-07 04:22 PM   #102 
      He's right here.  A-Schwarzenegger   Jul-10-07 03:09 AM   #129 
   What an interesting thread! I just want to thank you for posting it.  Joolz   Jul-09-07 06:15 AM   #54 
   I like to  H2O Man   Jul-09-07 06:16 AM   #55 
   "The plants and animals are always communicating with us" Thanks H20 Man  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 05:35 PM   #112 
      When I was  H2O Man   Jul-09-07 09:12 PM   #120 
   I Would've Sworn A Squirrel Was Calling Me Nuts.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jul-09-07 07:36 AM   #57 
   Don't laugh- you're not so far off. Let me tell you about the squirrels in my trees.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 05:02 PM   #109 
      I Hand Feed Several Squirrels Here And Chipmunks As Well.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jul-09-07 05:42 PM   #113 
         That's great- for years now, I have preferred my fur friends to most people.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 07:20 PM   #114 
            Critter Love  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 07:38 PM   #116 
   This is an interesting thread!  DemReadingDU   Jul-09-07 07:44 AM   #58 
   Meditate, meditate, meditate  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 12:24 PM   #78 
      Like mindful meditation  Sapere aude   Jul-09-07 03:25 PM   #97 
   Direct communication, no. But...  Tesha   Jul-09-07 08:39 AM   #61 
   As a Wiccan all I can say is mother nature has alot to say if you listen..  Wiccan Warrior   Jul-09-07 08:43 AM   #64 
   What i have noticed about mother earth is she still says a lot even if...........  nolabels   Jul-09-07 03:28 PM   #100 
   Fascinating thread  supernova   Jul-09-07 08:58 AM   #66 
   Sounds like New Age woo woo BS.  Odin2005   Jul-09-07 09:10 AM   #67 
   Now, Odin  shadowknows69   Jul-09-07 12:10 PM   #74 
   I talked to my oak tree.......he says your nuts. The squirrels concurred.  seriousstan   Jul-09-07 09:59 AM   #69 
   You might be interested in this:  InkAddict   Jul-09-07 10:02 AM   #70 
   Tree's hold so much history.  Tulum_Moon   Jul-09-07 10:12 AM   #72 
   Thanks! Very interesting site.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 05:15 PM   #110 
   When I was 13-14 there were wasps in my room  Jed Dilligan   Jul-09-07 10:42 AM   #73 
   Now that is cool.  lildreamer316   Jul-09-07 04:23 PM   #103 
   I have had similar experiences with wasps when I was a kid  Venus Dog   Jul-09-07 04:46 PM   #107 
   You're asking if we can hear nature?  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-09-07 12:17 PM   #76 
   This is a wonderful thread. Thank you for posting it!  I Have A Dream   Jul-09-07 01:00 PM   #80 
   personally, i think you're crazy.  QuestionAll   Jul-09-07 01:03 PM   #81 
   not true at all--has had scientific attention  NJCher   Jul-09-07 02:55 PM   #88 
   ...  QuestionAll   Jul-09-07 03:28 PM   #99 
   The only good thing about The Secret Life of Plants...  SidDithers   Jul-09-07 04:31 PM   #104 
   Wow, the interview on that site is a great read.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 05:28 PM   #111 
      It's hard to be this way  NJCher   Jul-09-07 08:08 PM   #118 
   That's rather hardline for someone who chose QuestionAll for a moniker. nt  glitch   Jul-10-07 11:53 AM   #141 
      you really think so...? why?  QuestionAll   Jul-11-07 01:35 AM   #157 
         Until you have proof on either count you'll have to keep the question open, right?  glitch   Jul-11-07 03:25 PM   #159 
            not at all.  QuestionAll   Jul-11-07 03:55 PM   #160 
               Read up on the history of science, it's fascinating. It took people decades+ to accept "proofs"  glitch   Jul-11-07 04:31 PM   #166 
                  it's always been easy to prove that gravity exists-  QuestionAll   Jul-11-07 05:15 PM   #167 
   Things have been odd this summer. Does that count?  knitter4democracy   Jul-09-07 02:19 PM   #84 
   No, you're not crazy  LibertyLover   Jul-09-07 02:25 PM   #85 
   the experience really seems to have threatened a lot of people here  MisterP   Jul-09-07 02:43 PM   #86 
   My guess is that some people get so out of touch with the natural world that it becomes a strange  Sapere aude   Jul-09-07 03:24 PM   #96 
   Does it make you feel better to believe that?  greyl   Jul-09-07 04:40 PM   #105 
   and by "armored with claims of 'science'" I mean the way it's used as a  MisterP   Jul-10-07 02:52 PM   #145 
   So *this* is what Kucinich-supporters do when they're not evangelizing Kucinich.  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-07 03:00 PM   #90 
   ...  cobalt1999   Jul-09-07 03:15 PM   #93 
      This too shall pass.  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-07 03:15 PM   #94 
   Well, the bee that stung me on my ankle a month ago sure  kestrel91316   Jul-09-07 03:21 PM   #95 
   Ok as long as we are on the subject of weirdness.......  kestrel91316   Jul-09-07 03:26 PM   #98 
   Yes, all the time. They are called "White House Press Conferences."  Swamp Rat   Jul-09-07 04:44 PM   #106 
   Yes.  LWolf   Jul-09-07 07:42 PM   #117 
   That IS odd...live kitty gifts.  BeHereNow   Jul-09-07 09:38 PM   #121 
      All very intriguing.  LWolf   Jul-09-07 11:50 PM   #122 
      When a cat brings you a live gift, it's often a hunting lesson  AlienGirl   Jul-10-07 07:37 AM   #133 
   I am quite a skeptic and would never describe myself as "spiritual", but I don't doubt you...  mitchum   Jul-10-07 12:23 AM   #123 
   I have hyperacusis  dave29   Jul-10-07 12:31 AM   #124 
   This is quite the thought-provoking thread  StephenB48   Jul-10-07 12:59 AM   #125 
   Nothing that I would consider other worldly,  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-10-07 02:57 AM   #127 
   Clarification please.  slowry   Jul-10-07 03:35 AM   #130 
   We have a family of Ravens  formercia   Jul-10-07 06:24 AM   #131 
   Birds are far more intelligent than we (usually) give them credit for.  Tesha   Jul-10-07 08:37 AM   #134 
      I had a Fisher introduce me to his missus  formercia   Jul-10-07 08:55 AM   #135 
         Animals can read body language.  Tesha   Jul-10-07 08:58 AM   #137 
            A Fisher's favorite treat  formercia   Jul-10-07 09:30 AM   #138 
   Thanks for the thread BHN  rosesaylavee   Jul-10-07 07:28 AM   #132 
   i am the squirrel whisperer  datasuspect   Jul-10-07 08:56 AM   #136 
   Yes! How odd. Animals have been in my dreams  diamidue   Jul-10-07 12:11 PM   #143 
   I suspect it is a two way transmission.  BeHereNow   Jul-10-07 06:14 PM   #148 
   Yes, Mel Gibson had the same experience in "SIGNS"  firefox_fan   Jul-10-07 12:13 PM   #144 
   Crop circles - from wherever or whoever is making them, you have to admit  Venus Dog   Jul-10-07 07:33 PM   #153 
   It is an ability we have lost.  Sequoia   Jul-10-07 07:30 PM   #152 
   I've heard of people who do. I believe that all of nature and life is connected, too  illinoisprogressive   Jul-10-07 07:38 PM   #154 
   It's a gift to be connected to your living environment.  BushDespiser12   Jul-10-07 07:41 PM   #155 
   yes, intuitive understanding w/ non-humans occured to me before  NuttyFluffers   Jul-11-07 02:15 AM   #158 
   well since i expect it maybe i can't relate  pitohui   Jul-11-07 04:07 PM   #161 
   I watched a fox take a piss by a bush this am  HeeBGBz   Jul-11-07 04:11 PM   #162 
   symptom of distemper?  pitohui   Jul-11-07 04:16 PM   #164 
      I heard rabies too  HeeBGBz   Jul-11-07 04:22 PM   #165 
   If the bees were communicating with you, it's more likely you smelled them than heard them.  porphyrian   Jul-11-07 05:25 PM   #168 
      How would I smell a bee from inside my house?  BeHereNow   Jul-11-07 06:23 PM   #169 
         I'm leaning towards one of the other two options.  porphyrian   Jul-11-07 09:30 PM   #171 
 

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