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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:17 AM
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133. I submit to you that when you are hit by a car and dying in a hospital, it would
be a poor time for your partner to have to argue that you are a commonlaw spouse and that's why he or she should be let in to share your last moments or direct your medical care.

And if you would like to pay the legal fees to establish power of attorney rather than the marriage license, you are free to do so. But one has to wonder why I should do so, to satisfy you.
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  -Edwards on MTP: "No" on Gay Marriage; Homosexuality is Not a Sin. The Cleaner  Feb-04-07 05:17 PM   #0 
  - No, I do not. Marriage is a civil institution not  ikojo   Feb-04-07 05:21 PM   #1 
  - No. Equal marriage for everyone, or get rid of it as a function of the state.  marmar   Feb-04-07 05:24 PM   #3 
  - Why don't we  Katzenkavalier   Feb-04-07 05:24 PM   #4 
  - This is my position, but a candidate doesn't dare promote it, yet.  mzmolly   Feb-05-07 11:47 AM   #171 
  - That's been my notion all along..........  CrownPrinceBandar   Feb-05-07 12:14 PM   #197 
  - Because that word 'marriage' is deeply entrenched and will be  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:47 PM   #233 
  - looks fine on paper  Bill McBlueState   Feb-05-07 12:54 PM   # 
  - yes  mdmc   Feb-05-07 04:59 PM   #400 
  - Sorry ikojo, I meant to attach my above response to the main post, not your sub-post  marmar   Feb-04-07 05:25 PM   #6 
  - No problem!!  ikojo   Feb-04-07 05:36 PM   #17 
  - Civil Unions can also afford the same rights as marriage.  mzmolly   Feb-05-07 11:50 AM   #172 
  - and...  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Feb-08-07 10:56 AM   #424 
  - My two cents  Katzenkavalier   Feb-04-07 05:23 PM   #2 
  - Why can't they go to the Justice of the Peace??  Breeze54   Feb-04-07 05:57 PM   #36 
  - Dupe n/t  Hippo_Tron   Feb-05-07 01:52 AM   #127 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-07 05:25 PM   #5 
  - Sin  Katzenkavalier   Feb-04-07 05:26 PM   #7 
  - nice  mdmc   Feb-04-07 05:34 PM   # 
  - Your beliefs don't apply to others.  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:46 PM   #46 
  - turn on the news, all the proof you need  mdmc   Feb-04-07 08:08 PM   #56 
  - Sin is a theological concept, the severing of our relationship with God  RGBolen   Feb-04-07 11:49 PM   #96 
     - yes  mdmc   Feb-05-07 12:22 AM   #110 
  - Ah! you want more proof?  Nomasdm   Feb-05-07 10:44 PM   #416 
  - That's how I feel about Pixie Dust.  mondo joe   Feb-04-07 07:52 PM   #51 
  - i.e atheist  Nomasdm   Feb-05-07 10:35 PM   #415 
  - If you have any kids or loved ones  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 07:31 PM   #41 
     - ideally, I would be humbled  mdmc   Feb-04-07 08:10 PM   #57 
        - Have fun in your hell, then.  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 08:14 PM   #59 
           - sin is the same, regardless of religion. Sin is universal.  mdmc   Feb-04-07 08:27 PM   #61 
              - Sin is not universal.  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 10:39 PM   #64 
              - i'm not imposing rules, i don't know how you live, and I don't  mdmc   Feb-04-07 11:24 PM   #82 
                 - But why do you think it is only between a man and a woman?  haruka3_2000   Feb-04-07 11:28 PM   #84 
                 - I am a Catholic. That is how I define marriage  mdmc   Feb-04-07 11:40 PM   #88 
                    - You believe that marriage is an "unbreakable union between a man and a woman"  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 11:46 PM   #93 
                    - civil unions for all, let the religions add on their hang ups via "marriage"  mdmc   Feb-04-07 11:56 PM   #101 
                    - So your sister got MARRIED by a judge.  haruka3_2000   Feb-04-07 11:48 PM   #94 
                    - I guess it is the term 'marriage' where I get hung up  mdmc   Feb-05-07 12:02 AM   #103 
                       - Yes, that is something for you to work on.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 12:04 AM   #104 
                          - call em marriages  mdmc   Feb-05-07 12:20 AM   #109 
                          - That is bullshit sarcasm and you know it.  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 12:30 AM   #114 
                          - You can't be discharged from the military for being black  mdmc   Feb-05-07 03:19 PM   #370 
                          - "Please understand that gays are second class citizens"  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 12:38 AM   #116 
                          - I honestly don't think that statement was meant that way. In context, it read to me as  Nickster   Feb-05-07 11:54 AM   #177 
                          - But he does think that, as he does not support equal rights. nt  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 12:04 PM   #185 
                          - I think that's a little bit harsh for an assesment. I didn't get that. Maybe a bit inarticulate, but  Nickster   Feb-05-07 12:12 PM   #194 
                             - He doesn't support equal marriage rights and he said "Gay Pride" was a sin.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 12:14 PM   #198 
                                - Read the rest of his comments. He obviously has a conflict with his religion and his  Nickster   Feb-05-07 12:34 PM   #217 
                                - thanks for the post sir.  mdmc   Feb-05-07 03:59 PM   #388 
                                - last night was a mess  mdmc   Feb-05-07 03:37 PM   #381 
                          - I agree.  youthere   Feb-05-07 12:28 PM   #210 
                          - we need to work hard to change that fact  mdmc   Feb-05-07 03:02 PM   #353 
                          - You are in the wrong here  treestar   Feb-05-07 08:44 PM   #409 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 04:50 AM   #129 
                          - Bullshit! No you cannot!  Nomasdm   Feb-05-07 10:52 PM   #417 
                    - The Catholic Church condones divorce!  Breeze54   Feb-05-07 12:14 AM   #107 
                    - it has been a while since i've been to church  mdmc   Feb-05-07 12:25 AM   #112 
                       - But not equal rights for gays and lesbians? Why that, I wonder?  yardwork   Feb-05-07 11:04 AM   #150 
                          - I don't have an answer  mdmc   Feb-05-07 03:06 PM   #356 
                    - I am also Catholic.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 10:32 AM   #144 
                 - Once again, you assumed that some of us believe in sin.  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 11:36 PM   #85 
                 - ok we are all not sinners, but we are all human, flawed  mdmc   Feb-04-07 11:45 PM   #91 
                 - If you wanted peace you would have never said that Gay Pride is a sin.  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 11:52 PM   #98 
                 - I really meant that pride is a sin  mdmc   Feb-05-07 12:11 AM   #105 
                 - Not even.  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 12:18 AM   #108 
                    - again, my bad  mdmc   Feb-05-07 12:30 AM   #113 
                       - To call Gay Pride a sin is pretty disrespectful.  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 12:44 AM   #118 
                          - yes, I was in the wrong.  mdmc   Feb-05-07 03:09 PM   #360 
                 - HE needs to believe in what you believe, but YOU don't need to believe in  phylny   Feb-05-07 06:15 AM   #132 
                    - Not at all.  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 11:12 AM   #153 
                 - Why back down?  JVS   Feb-05-07 12:44 AM   #119 
                    - False analogy. nt  Harvey Korman   Feb-05-07 01:19 AM   #124 
                 - I believe in sin.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 11:30 AM   #161 
                    - And that's where the nuance can be found.  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 12:31 PM   #212 
                    - yes  mdmc   Feb-05-07 04:32 PM   #394 
                 - When you say people should be aware of sin, you are imposing your rules on others.  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 01:31 AM   #125 
              - Nonsense.  LeftyMom   Feb-05-07 12:43 AM   #117 
                 - "enormous game of the Sims"  rosesaylavee   Feb-05-07 12:58 PM   #251 
                 - maybe sin is the wrong word  mdmc   Feb-05-07 03:24 PM   #376 
  - Well, Edwards just lost his support from me  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 05:28 PM   #8 
  - so let me get this straight  BayCityProgressive   Feb-04-07 05:31 PM   #9 
  - Apparently  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 05:34 PM   #11 
     - Gore is for gay marriage?  Lex   Feb-04-07 05:35 PM   #14 
     - I *think*  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 05:37 PM   #19 
     - he isn't really  BayCityProgressive   Feb-04-07 05:37 PM   #21 
  - Because his position on this is different than the other Dems?  Lex   Feb-04-07 05:34 PM   #12 
     - I'm almost 100% certain that DK, Gore are both in favor of marriage  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 05:35 PM   #15 
        - DK may be, not sure about Gore.  Lex   Feb-04-07 05:37 PM   #20 
        - Yeah, and if they all do favor civil unions in favor of marriage then it's still bad  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 05:39 PM   #23 
           - WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE A GIRL???  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:48 PM   #48 
           - you do too!  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 10:52 PM   #69 
              - O/T  Harvey Korman   Feb-04-07 11:17 PM   #78 
                 - yes  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 11:24 PM   #81 
                    - Wow, I... wow.  Harvey Korman   Feb-04-07 11:27 PM   #83 
           - Well, it's cuz those of us heteros have to protect the children  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:36 PM   #221 
           - Since I'm a pedantic asshole  Telly Savalas   Feb-06-07 12:01 AM   #421 
        - What has Gore done or said to make you believe this?  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-05-07 11:03 AM   #149 
  - If he honestly doesn't believe it is a sin  dsc   Feb-04-07 05:32 PM   #10 
  - Yes, I do.  gratefultobelib   Feb-04-07 05:34 PM   #13 
  - why?  WindRavenX   Feb-04-07 06:01 PM   #38 
  - Well, I sure don't believe homosexuality is a sin, but at the same time  gratefultobelib   Feb-04-07 10:36 PM   #63 
     - So your discomfort at such a "strange" idea  blonndee   Feb-04-07 10:39 PM   #65 
     - Hmmm...I purposely tried to steer away from the word "discomfort," but  gratefultobelib   Feb-04-07 10:49 PM   #67 
        - Can I ask you if you agree that sex discordant couples of different races should be allowed to marry...  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 10:59 PM   #72 
           - Oh good heavens! Of course I think it's all right for people of different  gratefultobelib   Feb-05-07 11:01 AM   #148 
              - While you and other "progressives" take your time getting comfortable with gay marriage,  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 11:26 AM   #158 
              - Why? Why do you have to 'get used to the idea' of gay marriage?  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:40 PM   #224 
                 - I just noticed your question here--sorry! I partially responded to what  gratefultobelib   Feb-05-07 09:07 PM   #410 
                    - Thank you...  blonndee   Feb-05-07 09:15 PM   #411 
     - Would you accept the fact...  sgcase   Feb-04-07 11:02 PM   #73 
     - Yes, I certainly accept that your life is truly none of my business! I don't  gratefultobelib   Feb-05-07 11:17 AM   #154 
     - i find bigotry strange. but i dont think we should not allow bigots to get married.  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 10:04 AM   #141 
     - Good One!  ProfessorGAC   Feb-05-07 11:01 AM   #147 
        - seconded. huge number of things i find strange. and these strange people can get married.  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 11:09 AM   #152 
     - It doesn't matter if it seems strange to you.  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-05-07 12:25 PM   #207 
     - Thanks.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 12:28 PM   #209 
     - No problem.  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-05-07 12:32 PM   #214 
     - Thanks, babe!  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:14 PM   #256 
     - You're welcome!  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-05-07 01:18 PM   #258 
     - Word!  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:24 PM   #267 
     - The notion of two bigots getting married seems strange to ME.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:25 PM   #268 
  - Why do you support discrimination?  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:50 PM   #49 
     - I don't view it as discrimination if the civil union between homosexuals gives the  gratefultobelib   Feb-04-07 10:39 PM   #66 
        - There is no such thing as separate but equal.  haruka3_2000   Feb-04-07 11:40 PM   #87 
        - I agree--if the civil unions promote unequal treatment or benefits  gratefultobelib   Feb-05-07 11:29 AM   #159 
           - It is not a stretch at all. Both are oppressed minorities.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 12:02 PM   #182 
           - Thanks for the quotes from Mrs. King. I read them all and, of course,  gratefultobelib   Feb-05-07 06:10 PM   #404 
           - But, it's NOT a marriage -- that's the whole damned point  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:02 PM   #183 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 04:53 AM   #130 
           - Biting you doesn't sound very pleasant, but I'll tell you...these posts  gratefultobelib   Feb-05-07 11:23 AM   #155 
  - I liked Edwards a lot, but my concerns started to grow with all his hawkish Iran bluster...  marmar   Feb-04-07 05:35 PM   #16 
  - What did he say on MTP? Is there a thread on it?  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:51 PM   #50 
  - sin is an illogical and artificial construct that exists in many forms, depending  karlrschneider   Feb-04-07 05:36 PM   #18 
  - Nope. Marriage is already a civil union, the "distinction" is a guise for bigotry. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-04-07 05:39 PM   #22 
  - waffling bullshit if you ask me.  HuffleClaw   Feb-04-07 05:39 PM   #24 
  - If you're gay, how much does a church wedding mean to you?  zanne   Feb-04-07 05:40 PM   #25 
  - Not the point.  Ms. Toad   Feb-04-07 08:26 PM   #60 
  - Gay people have religious weddings all the time.  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 08:20 AM   #134 
  - So long as the label "marriage" has only a religious meaning, I can live with  MJDuncan1982   Feb-04-07 05:41 PM   #26 
  - It doesn't only have a religious meaning.  Harvey Korman   Feb-04-07 10:54 PM   #70 
     - I wasn't saying that it does.  MJDuncan1982   Feb-04-07 10:56 PM   #71 
        - And heterosexuals are not going to want their marriages DOWNGRADED to a civil union.  haruka3_2000   Feb-04-07 11:21 PM   #80 
           - Then make it all "marriage".  MJDuncan1982   Feb-04-07 11:44 PM   #90 
           - Yup. Do I now say that I'm civil unioned instead of married?  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:50 PM   #238 
  - No. Everyone-- gay and straight-- should get Civil Unions from The State,  IanDB1   Feb-04-07 05:43 PM   #27 
  - Exactly.  Katzenkavalier   Feb-04-07 06:09 PM   #39 
  - I don't know why this suggestion keeps up, as though it were viable.  Harvey Korman   Feb-04-07 11:04 PM   #74 
  - He might as well have said he doesn't believe blacks should ride in the front of the bus.  mondo joe   Feb-04-07 05:45 PM   #28 
  - I think his position is the same as all other Dem candidates  Lex   Feb-04-07 05:49 PM   #30 
  - Yes - and it's a problem. I sometimes think this is why some gays vote Republican -  mondo joe   Feb-04-07 05:52 PM   #31 
     - LOL if you think  Lex   Feb-04-07 05:53 PM   #32 
        - Depends on your stocks.  mondo joe   Feb-04-07 05:54 PM   #34 
           - True that.  Lex   Feb-04-07 05:55 PM   #35 
              - Incidentally, even though I think he's wrong, I do think support for civil unions  mondo joe   Feb-04-07 07:33 PM   #42 
  - Oh, don't say that in the thread about the WA state "procreation marriage" initiative.  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:53 PM   #52 
  - Is playing politics with the human rights of other people a sin?  originalpckelly   Feb-04-07 05:49 PM   #29 
  - No he didn't say he was against gay marriage!! Stop misquoting!  Breeze54   Feb-04-07 05:54 PM   #33 
  - He needs to just wake the fuck up, then.  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:55 PM   #54 
  - Edward, STOP hiding behind Jesus and the Crucifix  Malikshah   Feb-05-07 08:58 AM   #137 
     - I don't think he's hiding; he's saying that his religious background has been an impediment...  KrazyKat   Feb-05-07 05:02 PM   #401 
        - As others have said-- the struggle is simple-- stop hiding behind the cross  Malikshah   Feb-05-07 05:05 PM   #402 
  - Take government out of marriages and institute civil unions for everyone  Az   Feb-04-07 05:59 PM   #37 
  - Yes, civil unions with the exact same rights for everyone regardless of sex organs.  Lex   Feb-04-07 06:10 PM   #40 
  - He did NOT say "NO" to gay marriage.  Bluebear   Feb-04-07 07:40 PM   #43 
  - Well, what the hell is keeping him?  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:44 PM   #45 
     - I surely hope he reconciles his Baptist faith with equal rights soon.  Bluebear   Feb-04-07 07:53 PM   #53 
  - No. It's subtle bigotry, even if he doesn't realize it.  Zhade   Feb-04-07 07:42 PM   #44 
  - No, and I have performed religious ceremonies for  realpolitik   Feb-04-07 07:47 PM   #47 
  - I believe in marriage for all, period.  sjbech   Feb-04-07 07:59 PM   #55 
  - I think gays should have the same right to marry as everyone else.  impeachdubya   Feb-04-07 08:12 PM   #58 
  - If it's not a sin, then what's the difference?  philosophie_en_rose   Feb-04-07 08:52 PM   #62 
  - Edwards is setting himself up to be beaten by Hillary on the right  Vidar   Feb-04-07 10:51 PM   #68 
  - Exactly! "Hillary IS on the right!"  Breeze54   Feb-05-07 12:49 AM   #120 
  - I think marraige is a crock of bull  nolabels   Feb-04-07 11:10 PM   #75 
  - It's not the organization telling you how to do it. It's the legal rights.  haruka3_2000   Feb-04-07 11:12 PM   #76 
  - The denial of rights to see others in critical conditions is a matter of.......  nolabels   Feb-04-07 11:40 PM   #86 
     - To the contrary, no one has the right to attend to someone in critical condition  mondo joe   Feb-04-07 11:45 PM   #92 
        - You beat me to it. Well said. nt  haruka3_2000   Feb-04-07 11:53 PM   #99 
        - Though not a lawyer, A power of attorney document does the same on medical........  nolabels   Feb-05-07 12:37 AM   #115 
           - I submit to you that when you are hit by a car and dying in a hospital, it would  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 08:17 AM   #133 
           - You are pretty surely wrong.  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 10:59 AM   #146 
           - Well no kidding, the point was that if there was NO family members involved or.........  nolabels   Feb-05-07 11:26 AM   #157 
           - Of course it's legal. What else would it be?  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 11:45 AM   #170 
           - That also depends  nolabels   Feb-05-07 12:09 PM   #190 
           - It is more about being treated equally and with respect in the eyes of t  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 11:52 AM   #176 
              - Thanks, MrsG  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:13 PM   #196 
              - Very little and hope others think that is good thing also  nolabels   Feb-05-07 01:10 PM   #254 
           - Bingo -- both in same sex partner situations and otherwise  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:10 PM   #192 
           - Except they don't ask you for that if you are standing next to your  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:45 PM   #230 
              - Thank you, Midlo -- I love you!  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:26 PM   #269 
  - When the government, if you consider that an "organization", denies you over 1400 rights  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 11:16 PM   #77 
  - The organization that needs you to conform to their needs and.........  nolabels   Feb-04-07 11:55 PM   #100 
     - Are you a character on "Family Guy"?  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 12:14 AM   #106 
     - The fact i chose to debate any of it under insinuations of my person is also an insult  nolabels   Feb-05-07 12:54 AM   #121 
        - Welcome to the club.  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 01:04 AM   #123 
        - On second thought, what the fuck are you talking about?  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 01:38 AM   #126 
           - I accept what ever you say about me  nolabels   Feb-05-07 09:57 AM   #140 
           - I don't know what i saying, maybe i was confusing or confused  nolabels   Feb-05-07 11:05 AM   #151 
              - While you masturbate over your inarticulate principles, gay couples are suffering.  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 11:25 AM   #156 
                 - Just for my information?  nolabels   Feb-05-07 11:51 AM   #175 
                    - Marriage is not a erligious affiliation.  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 02:00 PM   #317 
                       - We have a non-religious civil union dubbed a marriage from...........  nolabels   Feb-05-07 03:15 PM   #367 
                          - I don't know what you think the right has to do with holding people together.  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 03:20 PM   #372 
                             - It has to do with government being subordinated to religion  nolabels   Feb-05-07 04:33 PM   #395 
     - What inalienable right do you have to make someone else's medical choices while  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 08:23 AM   #135 
        - Yep that was pretty much the point, others deciding for others  nolabels   Feb-05-07 12:56 PM   #248 
  - I suggest you reconsider, since the issue is the thousands of rights associated  mondo joe   Feb-04-07 11:19 PM   #79 
  - If civil unions grant the same rights as marriage, why are you all so  napi21   Feb-04-07 11:43 PM   #89 
  - "separate but equal" applies. Whether it's semantics or not...  zingaro   Feb-04-07 11:49 PM   #95 
  - Because our state and federal government calls it marriage  JackBeck   Feb-04-07 11:50 PM   #97 
     - Personally I don't really GAS what you call my relationship.  napi21   Feb-05-07 12:00 AM   #102 
        - I'm sure you don't GAS  JackBeck   Feb-05-07 12:25 AM   #111 
           - The Question is if this country can SURVIVE to Grow Up  TheWatcher   Feb-05-07 04:55 AM   #131 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 12:56 AM   #122 
  - No religion has a copyright or a trademark on the word "marriage."  Progs Rock   Feb-05-07 03:52 AM   #128 
  - i heard it and i dont even think he believes himself. this is a tricky issue for the dems.  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 08:48 AM   #136 
  - Gay Marriage is not a presidential issue, it's a trap for....well, fools.  WA98296   Feb-05-07 09:14 AM   #138 
  - as long as you tax me and deprive me of my rights. i will demand they be discussed.  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 10:09 AM   #143 
     - Obviously they don't affect him;  Harvey Korman   Feb-05-07 12:06 PM   #187 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 09:19 AM   #139 
  - no, you fucking queers cannot force my religion to recognize you."  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 10:07 AM   #142 
  - My courthouse marriage is no more religious than a civil union.  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 10:57 AM   #145 
  - I disagree.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 11:35 AM   #164 
     - so seperate water fountains is ok with you? its still water we are drinking.  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 11:36 AM   #165 
     - Completely different.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 11:38 AM   #168 
        - It is NOT religious. it can be accompanied by a religious ceremony  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 11:41 AM   #169 
        - I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:33 PM   #216 
           - But giving up the "word" marriage gives up rights  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:44 PM   #229 
              - Totally incorrect.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:54 PM   #247 
                 - I'm totally correct -- marriage is the legal term pretty much everywhere  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:17 PM   #257 
                 - She's right, and you're wrong.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:06 PM   #357 
        - Marriage is never a religious process  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:08 PM   #189 
        - I don't know where to start.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:35 PM   #219 
        - You need to give up your attachment to an English word.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:38 PM   #222 
           - Because getting married is the pinacle.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:43 PM   #228 
           - No, you are completely wrong here.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:48 PM   #234 
              - Dude, I'm hetero and married, so it's not about 'my rights'.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 12:53 PM   #243 
                 - OMFG are you NOT LISTENING to a WORD I am saying?  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:56 PM   #249 
                    - LOL. I guess not because you are not making sense.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:18 PM   #260 
                    - We're listening to everything you're saying, and no one is buying it  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:18 PM   #261 
                    - Well, I can answer your questions, but I can't understand them for you.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:23 PM   #266 
                       - You imply that you have the wisdom  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:10 PM   #361 
                    - there's plenty of right wing opposition to civil unions too  fishwax   Feb-05-07 07:39 PM   #406 
           - You can't, because the LEGAL term is marriage  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:45 PM   # 
              - Incorrect, the legal term is "civil union"  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:48 PM   #236 
                 - Nope, wrong again -- keep spinning  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:19 PM   #262 
                 - You're wrong again.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:09 PM   #359 
        - Nonsense.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:04 PM   #355 
     - Organized religion does not and should not hold the license (no pun  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 11:50 AM   #174 
     - Shoulda Woulda Coulda = Fantasyland  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:29 PM   #211 
        - Maybe in your mind...not mine... says the agnostic MARRIED to the  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 12:31 PM   #213 
           - Your facts DO NOT MATTER to Conservatives.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:41 PM   #225 
              - Sorry. this is RW rhetoric you are spouting.  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 12:51 PM   #241 
              - Wow, this is going COMPLETELY over your head.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:53 PM   #244 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 12:54 PM   #246 
                 - Um, Im far more liberal than you.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:57 PM   #250 
                    - Oohh, the "I'm more liberal than you card"!  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:29 PM   #271 
                    - However, I think I'M more liberal than you, Midlo  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:31 PM   #275 
                    - Yes, yes, I would agree to that.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:33 PM   #276 
                    - It was the knife, dammit  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:41 PM   #288 
                    - I'm sorry. I'm still reeling that I'm not as liberal as he is.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:47 PM   #299 
                       - Hehehehehe -  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 03:01 PM   #351 
                    - And I'm more CONSERVATIVE than the two of you and I still believe in gay marriage.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 03:13 PM   # 
                    - And I'm more CONSERVATIVE than the two of you and I still believe in gay marriage.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 03:13 PM   #365 
                    - *I'M* more liberal than both you  blonndee   Feb-05-07 01:33 PM   #277 
                       - Hmmmmmmmm  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:42 PM   #291 
                       - Or, I will threaten to IM you with my PW'd army boyfriend!  Nomasdm   Feb-05-07 10:58 PM   #419 
                          - Come out from under your bridge? Or your tombstone?  blonndee   Feb-06-07 05:33 AM   #422 
                             - You mean high ground!  Nomasdm   Feb-06-07 10:29 PM   #423 
                                - Well, at least you think you're funny.  Harvey Korman   Feb-08-07 11:48 PM   #432 
                    - Ahh, so, you're on your towns Democratic Committee? Cool.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:34 PM   #278 
                       - Dude. Trust me, you DO NOT wanna play this game with me.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:36 PM   #281 
                       - Pfft, dream on.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:41 PM   #287 
                       - LOL.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:44 PM   #293 
                       - You see, the difference is  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:46 PM   #298 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 01:48 PM   #300 
                             - You are so funny. Where do you get this material?  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 01:51 PM   #303 
                             - Then he isn't ACTING very liberal at the moment.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:54 PM   #308 
                             - Delete. Posted in the wrong place.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:14 PM   #327 
                             - Coming from you, that's an endorsement.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:15 PM   #329 
                             - Actually, it was YOU doing the attacking.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:52 PM   #306 
                             - If you viewed that as an attack, I'm sorry. It was more of a simple statement of fact.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:56 PM   #311 
                             - Yes. It is a well known statement of fact that all posters with the  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 02:00 PM   #318 
                             - who cares?  Nomasdm   Feb-08-07 11:22 PM   #427 
                             - Ha.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:16 PM   #330 
                             - I'll challenge your number of hours  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:00 PM   #316 
                       - will you be flying ariforce one?  Nomasdm   Feb-08-07 11:10 PM   #426 
                       - Oi Frigging Vay  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:40 PM   #285 
                    - Again in your mind. It bothers me so little in fact that I don't bother to  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 01:42 PM   #289 
                    - Didn't you read his post.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:46 PM   #296 
                       - The head of a town committee is called a "Chairman" not a "president".  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:52 PM   #304 
                          - Not in my town and not 15 years ago.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:53 PM   #307 
                          - My daughter is almost that age, so I guess you're sorta close....  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:57 PM   #314 
                             - If we had DTCs here, which we don't.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 02:02 PM   #319 
                          - Ummm...Maybe in your town... but they vary in towns across the  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 01:57 PM   #312 
                    - Bullshit.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:50 PM   #301 
                    - I never once said any of that.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 02:14 PM   #328 
                    - In the real world  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:24 PM   #335 
                       - Well, I can't help you understand something that's over your head.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 02:44 PM   #344 
                          - You're deluded.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:51 PM   #346 
                             - Well, I can answer your questions, but I can't understand them for you.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 03:03 PM   #354 
                                - Is that your final answer?  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:11 PM   #363 
                                   - No, its just that is clear to me you don't understand what I'm saying.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 03:14 PM   #366 
                                   - No, we understand. We just think your argument is full of shit.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 03:16 PM   #368 
                                   - Right, because as we all know, Equal Rights for African Americans just happened one day.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 03:19 PM   #371 
                                   - D00d, she's not someone you want to challege  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:24 PM   #375 
                                   - Isn't that exactly what I was saying?  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 03:28 PM   #377 
                                   - No, you push for full equality, even if you only make an incremental step at first.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 03:31 PM   #379 
                                   - It seems to me like we're saying the same thing except for, perhaps, semantics.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 03:33 PM   #380 
                                   - You need to accept  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:41 PM   #384 
                                   - Law X: Civil Unions = Marriage. Tada. Body of Law updated in 3 words or less.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 04:28 PM   #392 
                                   - Perhaps you would like to scour the thousands of laws regarding marriage to change the wording.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 04:37 PM   #396 
                                   - You're not used to thinking in big pictures are you?  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 04:43 PM   #399 
                                   - No, you are seeing the words, but you are not comprehending the words.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 03:43 PM   #385 
                                   - No we do not agree  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:39 PM   #382 
                                   - 100% correct, Thom.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 03:28 PM   #378 
                    - Perhaps one is comming out of the closet.  Nomasdm   Feb-08-07 11:25 PM   #428 
                    - You have a very strange interpretation of the rules  fishwax   Feb-05-07 09:46 PM   #412 
                 - No, it isn't going over MrsG's head  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:19 PM   #263 
                 - What line?  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:22 PM   #264 
                    - Ha!  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:52 PM   #305 
                       - Isn't it really weird how it's over all of "our" heads...  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 01:59 PM   #315 
                          - I know, I feel so humbled  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 03:23 PM   #374 
                 - What's going completely over your head  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:45 PM   #345 
              - sad, but true  Nomasdm   Feb-08-07 11:05 PM   #425 
     - Bullshit.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:01 PM   #352 
  - If "you fucking queers" aren't your own words, who are you quoting?  blonndee   Feb-05-07 11:31 AM   #162 
  - I quoted every right-wing asshole in America.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 11:37 AM   #166 
  - Sure...  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 12:10 PM   #191 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 12:32 PM   #215 
     - rhymes with feeder  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:39 PM   #283 
  - 1) why quote right-wing assholes and 2) why quote them to support your own position?  blonndee   Feb-05-07 12:14 PM   #199 
     - also could it not be phrased it a less bigoted manner?  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 12:16 PM   #200 
     - Considering the source,  blonndee   Feb-05-07 12:25 PM   #208 
        - No idea why it was deleted  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:34 PM   #218 
        - Well, you'd have to ask the mods but maybe this will help:  blonndee   Feb-05-07 12:45 PM   #231 
        - It's not the first time this poster has advocated this position  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:48 PM   #235 
           - Indeed.  blonndee   Feb-05-07 12:50 PM   #239 
           - Yup  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:30 PM   #273 
           - Of course not, I've been saying it for years on this board.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:51 PM   #240 
              - "Restored" Please tell em when the hell gays could marry in this country?  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:23 PM   #265 
              - Excuse me but it IS your fault.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:27 PM   #270 
                 - WTF (2)  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:35 PM   #280 
                 - Everyone is responsible for their own life.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:38 PM   #282 
                 - That's a wonderful excuse  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:41 PM   #286 
                    - I never said it was their fault, I said they were responsible.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:45 PM   #295 
                       - I got news for you, dude. We are all subject to fate.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:51 PM   #302 
                       - I worked hard for Ned, but we all know how that turned out.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 02:07 PM   #322 
                          - Right...  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:12 PM   #326 
                          - No it isn't and here's why.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 02:16 PM   #331 
                          - I Agree With You!  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 02:20 PM   #334 
                             - You do?  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 02:26 PM   #337 
                             - We're already hearing that from many people.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:31 PM   #342 
                             - That would be "separate but equal"  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:30 PM   #341 
                             - THEN you fight for calling it a Marriage !!!  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 02:51 PM   #347 
                             - We've been fighting far longer than you have  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:57 PM   #348 
                          - Oooo...you have a Ned Lamont hat.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 02:18 PM   #333 
                       - Semantic Masterbation.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:54 PM   #309 
                 - I love being a homophobic lesbian who creates the bigotry against me  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:44 PM   #292 
                    - I'll bet you and your girlfriend  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:57 PM   #313 
                       - Yes, we spend much of our time plotting it.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 02:07 PM   #324 
                       - We are -- WE'RE the reason why NJ has civil unions and not marriage equality  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 02:58 PM   #349 
                          - Damn you!  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:12 PM   #364 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 01:40 PM   #284 
                 - Wow.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:42 PM   #290 
                    - Hey, Thom!  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-05-07 01:44 PM   #294 
                 - Yup, bigotry and discrimination is my choice  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 05:52 PM   #403 
              - Years? How about one year and 5 1/2 months?  Midlodemocrat   Feb-05-07 01:31 PM   #274 
              - WTF?  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 01:34 PM   #279 
              - But you're wrong. The same forces that have opposed marriage have  mondo joe   Feb-05-07 02:17 PM   #332 
     - Hmmm..... blonndee....  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:47 PM   #232 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 01:55 PM   #310 
        - I just need to tell you this.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 02:11 PM   #325 
        - I'm not the least bit homophobic.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 02:25 PM   #336 
           - Ha! As if you have any chance to "win your argument"  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:33 PM   #343 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-08-07 11:28 PM   #429 
     - Thank you so much! You just did something I was waiting for...  blonndee   Feb-08-07 11:31 PM   #431 
  - Are you an attorney?  Harvey Korman   Feb-05-07 12:04 PM   #184 
     - Really? Are you sure?  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:35 PM   #220 
        - Again, marriage is a legal term  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:49 PM   #237 
        - Again wrong, the legal term is "civil union"  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 12:52 PM   # 
           - Marriage is a perfectly "legal" term.  Harvey Korman   Feb-05-07 01:06 PM   #253 
           - That isn't relevant.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 01:13 PM   #255 
           - No, that isn't true.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:07 PM   #323 
           - "Marriage" is often a legal term in it's own right  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 01:30 PM   #272 
           - Marriage is mentioned hundreds of times  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:05 PM   #321 
           - That substantiates the legality right?  Nomasdm   Feb-08-07 11:30 PM   #430 
           - They why do you go to get a marriage license at the courthouse and not a "civil union" license?  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 02:27 PM   #338 
              - Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 03:08 PM   #358 
              - Because a marriage is a superset of civil union.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 03:11 PM   #362 
                 - Wrong. Straight people can and will be married by a judge. NO RELIGION INVOLVED.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 03:18 PM   #369 
                 - That's nice that you can cite middle school math  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:20 PM   #373 
                    - Then it should be made to be.  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 03:39 PM   #383 
                       - Please cite anyplace. Any ONE place  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 03:44 PM   #386 
                          - Really? How about this:  rpgamerd00d   Feb-05-07 04:20 PM   #390 
                             - Wrong on both counts.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 04:37 PM   #397 
                             - And a civil union is absolutely USELESS outside of New Jersey.  haruka3_2000   Feb-05-07 04:40 PM   #398 
        - Bullshit.  ThomCat   Feb-05-07 02:03 PM   #320 
  - If you remove the religious  Dracos   Feb-05-07 11:29 AM   #160 
  - ...  lionesspriyanka   Feb-05-07 11:34 AM   #163 
  - See my post (#137)-- Edwards and others hide behind Jesus and the Cross  Malikshah   Feb-05-07 12:19 PM   #204 
  - Spinelessness under the guise of "reasonableness"  Strawman   Feb-05-07 11:38 AM   #167 
  - I think Edwards is a homophobic bigot.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-05-07 11:50 AM   #173 
  - Agree? No. Understand why he's taking this stance? Yes.  mainegreen   Feb-05-07 11:57 AM   #178 
  - So the prospective president's opinion really shouldn't matter?  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 12:01 PM   #181 
     - It should...  mainegreen   Feb-05-07 12:06 PM   #188 
  - "Rights delayed are rights denied!" -- MLK Jr.  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 11:59 AM   #179 
  - Tell that to poster number 178...  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 12:00 PM   #180 
     - I think perhaps you misunderstand me?  mainegreen   Feb-05-07 12:05 PM   #186 
     - I sure as heck will not throw another of my fellow citizens under the bus  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 12:11 PM   #193 
        - Just a devils advocate's question:  mainegreen   Feb-05-07 12:18 PM   #202 
           - Are we there yet? No we are not. Hence the anger at Edwards and my  MrsGrumpy   Feb-05-07 12:20 PM   #205 
     - I know -- but, I suspect they truly don't respect Dr. King enough  LostinVA   Feb-05-07 12:17 PM   #201 
  - Of course not.  smoogatz   Feb-05-07 12:12 PM   #195 
  - No...I don't understand his opposition to same-sex marriage.  terrya   Feb-05-07 12:18 PM   #203 
  - I bet if you sat a few, not all but at least a few, of these candidates down, you'd find that  Nickster   Feb-05-07 12:42 PM   #226 
     - I agree.  terrya   Feb-05-07 12:54 PM   #245 
        - Wow, another reason to like Eliot Spitzer. I didn't know that was his view. That's good to hear. n/t  Nickster   Feb-05-07 01:05 PM   #252 
  - No.  rosesaylavee   Feb-05-07 12:25 PM   #206 
  - It's a political stance, so no, his character goes down the drain when  Catfight   Feb-05-07 12:39 PM   #223 
  - I don't believe in a two-tier system.  Lars39   Feb-05-07 12:42 PM   #227 
  - No  Bill McBlueState   Feb-05-07 12:52 PM   #242 
  - well...  Neecy   Feb-05-07 01:18 PM   #259 
  - Except the part "He does not believe homosexuality is a sin"  nolabels   Feb-05-07 01:46 PM   #297 
  - If we fight 2008 on a pro-gay marriage platform we lose  WI_DEM   Feb-05-07 02:28 PM   #339 
  - My position.  Pacifist Patriot   Feb-05-07 02:29 PM   #340 
  - No, I don't support this discrimination.  Orsino   Feb-05-07 03:00 PM   #350 
  - I don't agree  mvd   Feb-05-07 03:44 PM   #387 
  - wow, this thread introduced a lot of people to my ignore list  WindRavenX   Feb-05-07 04:20 PM   #389 
  - Nope  Madspirit   Feb-05-07 04:25 PM   #391 
  - I sure hope he's speaking from the heart,  Plaid Adder   Feb-05-07 04:30 PM   #393 
  - All marriages should be civil unions  Taverner   Feb-05-07 06:11 PM   #405 
  - Absolutely, unequivocally NOT.  MaggieSwanson   Feb-05-07 08:33 PM   #407 
  - No, the only way for equality is to have gay marriage  treestar   Feb-05-07 08:37 PM   #408 
  - Well, I won't be donating to the Edwards campaign.  LeftCoast   Feb-05-07 09:59 PM   #413 
  - Edwards - What Religion?  Nomasdm   Feb-05-07 10:30 PM   #414 
  - Once again Edwards stands for nothing.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-05-07 10:54 PM   #418 
  - Why is this even being debated in 2007?  RetroLounge   Feb-05-07 11:16 PM   #420 
  - I'm supporting Edwards in 08  ZacharyG   Feb-08-07 11:53 PM   #433 
 

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