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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 07:15 AM
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41. China
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 07:51 AM by rman
Corporations only need to 'force' those governments that do not want to cooperate on their own accord.

China still has a totalitarian regime; it is not government "of, for and by the people".

It is when a government does not want to cooperate that we see coups, assassinations and regime change - usually under the pretense of fighting communism (or today more commonly, fighting terrorism). See the history of US foreign policy in Latin America and elsewhere (ie Iran/Mosadeq in the early 1950's).

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re Iran/Mossadeq see
Operation Ajax

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Elections in China
China village democracy skin deep

Direct elections of local officials by almost a million villages across the country have in recent years been widely welcomed as a possible first step towards a multi-party state.
A popular web forum was closed down after it provided coverage and debate on the continuing confrontation between village residents - who accused Chen Jingshen of corruption involving a huge land deal - and regional officials and police who resisted their attempts to remove him and hold new elections.

The lawyer who helped the villagers with their claim has reportedly been arrested, and a political activist involved in the dispute reportedly beaten up.

"The Government responded in a violent and reckless way," said Hou Wenzhuo, director of the Empowerment and Rights Institute, a non-governmental activists' group in Beijing.

"At first they reluctantly allowed the petition. But then up to 1,000 police raided the village and acted like gangsters, using water hoses on the farmers and arresting 48 local inhabitants, including old women."

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