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33. Already a ruling in favor of commercial freedom of speech...

The "Court" already have protected substances illegal for minors...and now they have rules against individual speech. If the young man was advertising "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" t-shirts with that banner his rights would of been protected.

So I say to that young man...make a t-shirt design, sell the shirts on a website and advertise them with another banner...with the appropriate disclaimer: This phrase is meant for entertainment and humor purposes for adults only and does not encourage the use of illegal drugs by Jesus or anyone else.

As an adult passing by I would like my rights to be preserved to be offered "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" t-shirts.

Does that sound effed up? Of course it does. Clearly commercial interests outwiegh those of individual expression. Dammit I should of argued this case.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/casesumm...

Case Summary for Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly

Argued: April 25, 2001
Decided: June 28, 2001
Issue: Whether Massachusetts' regulations limiting the advertising of tobacco products within 1,000 feet of playgrounds, parks and schools violates the commercial free-speech rights of the tobacco companies.

Preemption Issue — Whether the state regulations on tobacco advertising are preempted by the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act.
Answer: The court determined 5-4 that the state restrictions on cigarette ads were preempted by the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act.

Because cigars and smokeless tobacco products are not covered by the cigarette-labeling act, the Court proceeded to the First Amendment question. All nine justices determined that there were constitutional problems with the 1,000 ft. ban. Five justices ruled the ban was flatly unconstitutional. Four justices would have sent the 1,000 ft. advertising issue back to the trial court for development of more facts.
Decisions Below: The opinions of the federal district court are located at Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly, 76 F.Supp. 2d 124 (D. Mass. 1999) and Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly, 84 F.Supp. 2d 180 (D. Mass. 2000). The opinion of the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is located at Consolidated Cigar Corp. v. Reilly, 218 F.3d 30 (1st Cir. 2000).
Facts:

In January 1999, the Massachusetts attorney general implements regulations limiting tobacco advertising. A key provision limits outdoor tobacco advertising within 1,000 feet of any public playground, playground in public parks and any secondary or elementary school. Another provision prohibits "point of sale advertising" within 1,000 feet of playgrounds or schools. The law defines point of sale advertising to include advertising placed lower than five feet in any store accessible to minors.

In May 1999, several tobacco companies challenge the constitutionality of the regulations on preemption and First Amendment grounds. With respect to the First Amendment argument, the companies argue that the restrictions are too broad and violate their rights to engage in commercial speech.

After a federal district court rejects the companies' preemption and the vast majority of its First Amendment claims, the companies appeal to the 1st Circuit.

The 1st Circuit also rules in favor of nearly all the regulations, including the 1,000 foot ban.

The 1st Circuit wrote: "although the geographical scope of the advertising restrictions is substantial, we do not find the restrictions equivalent to a 'blanket ban' on speech."
Petitioner's Principles: Regulations on truthful and nonmisleading commercial speech are constitutional if the government: (1) has a substantial interest for its regulation; (2) the regulation advances the governmental interest in a direct and material way; and (3) the regulation is narrowly drawn. Central Hudson Gas & Elec. Corp. v. Public Serv. Comm'n of N.Y., 447 U.S. 557 (1980).

Governmental interests in protecting minors from harmful speech do not justify a wholesale suppression of the free-speech rights of adults. Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U.S. 844 (1997).
Legal Basis: The 1,000 ft-regulation violates the final prong of the Central Hudson test because it sweeps far too broadly. "The uniformly broad sweep of the geographical limitation demonstrates a lack of tailoring," the Court wrote. Even though the state has a substantial interest in protecting minors from tobacco usage, tobacco manufacturers and adult consumers have a First Amendment right to receive information about lawful products.
Majority: O'Connor (Rehnquist, Scalia, Kennedy and Thomas)
Concur: Kennedy and Thomas
Partial Dissent: Stevens (joined by Souter, Ginsberg, and Breyer)
Quotable: As the State protects children from tobacco advertisements, tobacco manufacturers and retailers and their adult consumers still have a protected interest in communication. (O'Connor) My continuing concerns that the test gives insufficient protection to truthful, nonmisleading commercial speech require me to refrain from expressing agreement with the Court's application of the third part of Central Hudson. (Kennedy)

I have observed previously that there is 'no philosophical or historical basis for asserting that 'commercial' speech is of lower value' than 'noncommercial speech.' Indeed, I doubt whether it is even possible to draw a coherent distinction between commercial and noncommercial speech. (Thomas)

Nevertheless noble ends do not save a speech restricting statute whose means are poorly tailored. (Stevens)
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   But it won't. Scalia and Co have no problem with contradictory rulings.  yardwork   Jun-26-07 09:12 PM   #1 
   The language was pretty broad, and Ken Starr (@sshole) was on the steps  paparush   Jun-26-07 09:17 PM   #2 
   Well, it would be gorgeous, I won't argue with that!  yardwork   Jun-26-07 09:27 PM   #3 
   I'd MUCH RATHER see all the damn prescription drug ads GONE!  napi21   Jun-27-07 01:08 AM   #16 
      and those smarmy voiceovers that are  UpInArms   Jun-27-07 07:34 AM   #22 
      And if your doctor gets you very sick, the first thing they'll say is,  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-27-07 09:22 AM   #28 
   How would a strict constuctionist argue their way around it?  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-27-07 09:19 AM   #27 
   I agree.  ThomCat   Jun-27-07 10:24 AM   #29 
   scalitorob have no problem  zidzi   Jun-27-07 08:01 PM   #38 
   You sir, are brilliant  Bucky   Jun-26-07 09:31 PM   #4 
   What a wonderful SCOTUS!  speakclearly   Jun-27-07 11:32 AM   #34 
      ...  Blue State Native   Jun-27-07 08:01 PM   #39 
   I hope someone runs with this right now. Don't wait!  Dhalgren   Jun-26-07 09:37 PM   #5 
   Oooooh, I like it!  ljm2002   Jun-26-07 09:42 PM   #6 
   If schools can, parents can too. Sue Coors first!  L. Coyote   Jun-27-07 12:43 AM   #7 
   And we want to get rid of tobacco and alcohol ads, why?  RGBolen   Jun-27-07 12:46 AM   #8 
   Even if you smoke, I'm pretty sure you don't want your loved ones to, no?  Bonobo   Jun-27-07 12:49 AM   #9 
      My wife smokes. My brother smoke cigars on rare occasions.  RGBolen   Jun-27-07 12:51 AM   #10 
         I know that, but getting rid of tobacco ads is a no-brainer, right?  Bonobo   Jun-27-07 12:53 AM   #11 
            I can't see why  RGBolen   Jun-27-07 12:54 AM   #12 
            Okay, later.  Bonobo   Jun-27-07 12:55 AM   #14 
            Probably not,  Hawaii Hiker   Jun-27-07 01:30 AM   #17 
   Silly rabbit! The "law" does not apply to powerful corporations.  Swamp Rat   Jun-27-07 12:54 AM   #13 
   sorry, but I think that's a pretty silly logical leap--the ruling had nothing to do with parents or  fishwax   Jun-27-07 01:03 AM   #15 
   'School sponsored' is the loophole.  SoCalDem   Jun-27-07 01:32 AM   #18 
   The thing that gets me is, no one asked JESUS how he feels about the bong hits.  impeachdubya   Jun-27-07 01:38 AM   #19 
   Psssttt....  dicksteele   Jun-27-07 02:31 PM   #36 
      *  impeachdubya   Jun-27-07 07:55 PM   #37 
   Wow. That's a great point  LostinRed   Jun-27-07 03:00 AM   #20 
   Dude  Bassic   Jun-27-07 07:16 AM   #21 
   True but Canada allows thing that the USA doesn't like free tobacco giveaway nights at clubs  slampoet   Jun-27-07 09:18 AM   #26 
      Tobacco companies can give away products in the US  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-27-07 10:27 AM   #31 
      Free tobacco giveaways?  Bassic   Jun-27-07 02:27 PM   #35 
   Spoken, I assume, by someone with no background in constitutional law  onenote   Jun-27-07 07:46 AM   #23 
   You are absolutely correct. I was digging a foundation drain, thinking about the ruling,  paparush   Jun-27-07 10:27 AM   #30 
   interesting idea but I doubt it would ever happen.  progressoid   Jun-27-07 08:48 AM   #24 
   Bwahahahahaha!  ellie   Jun-27-07 09:08 AM   #25 
   What in the wording of that ruling  Goblinmonger   Jun-27-07 10:29 AM   #32 
   Already a ruling in favor of commercial freedom of speech...  LeftHander   Jun-27-07 11:27 AM   #33 
   Just don't try filling the bong with Budweiser. It tastes like shit. - n/t  porphyrian   Jun-27-07 08:03 PM   #40 
 

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