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Response to Reply #135
146. If You Disagree With The OP, Please Show What It Missed.
If you say there are more streams of fundamental logic when breaking it down, please show what they are. Thanks.
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  -Let's Put This Whole Voting Green/Indy/Not Gonna Vote Thing To Rest, Shall We? Use Logic. OPERATIONMINDCRIME  Jun-22-07 08:30 PM   #0 
  - you missed the third fundamental thing:  ulysses   Jun-22-07 08:34 PM   #1 
  - That's called "Naderism"--worked well in 2000, didn't it?  elocs   Jun-22-07 08:39 PM   #6 
  - I'm not saying that I agree,  ulysses   Jun-22-07 08:42 PM   #10 
  - Nominations to the Supreme Court alone would be worth the difference  elocs   Jun-22-07 08:52 PM   #17 
     - Would that Gore Supreme Court be full of liberals  Truth2Tell   Jun-23-07 11:29 AM   #95 
     - I'm sorry you are so easily confused and have to go back over 60 years  elocs   Jun-23-07 11:48 AM   #100 
     - I just don't have much faith  Truth2Tell   Jun-23-07 12:32 PM   #106 
     - Hmm some history might help  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-23-07 12:44 PM   #108 
        - The Court didn't have a say on  Truth2Tell   Jun-23-07 03:07 PM   #123 
     - The big lie which you sort of repeat is that Nader said there was no difference between Bush* and Go  Toots   Jun-23-07 11:50 AM   #102 
        - Semantic hair splitting does not a big lie make.  elocs   Jun-23-07 11:56 AM   #105 
        - I also saw 500,000 Iraqi children killed under a Democratic president.  bvar22   Jun-23-07 03:12 PM   #125 
        - You agree with this?  Kajsa   Jun-24-07 01:06 PM   #152 
  - I'd rather live through 30 years of republican presidents  markk   Jun-22-07 10:30 PM   #51 
     - I'd love to see your post written in English.  Veganistan   Jun-22-07 10:38 PM   #54 
     - Nice. Classy.  Truth2Tell   Jun-23-07 11:37 AM   #97 
     - A mean, rude Vegan?  Kajsa   Jun-24-07 01:09 PM   #153 
     - yep. nt  HardRocker05   Jun-22-07 11:56 PM   #71 
     - You're talking about the rest of my life and well into my grandchild's adulthood. Screw that.  Hekate   Jun-23-07 12:09 AM   #74 
     - We had to destroy the village....I mean country, in order to save the country.  MilesColtrane   Jun-25-07 12:06 PM   #170 
  - Regardless of which Democratic candidate we have, it's better than what we have now  BushOut06   Jun-22-07 08:40 PM   #7 
  - Yes, indeed. I'd be happy to have ANY of the Dem canditates for President.  Redstone   Jun-22-07 09:18 PM   #27 
  - that's the roadblock I'm running into...  Viva_La_Revolution   Jun-22-07 08:40 PM   #8 
  - because they fear that appealing to the majority of those who don't bother  ulysses   Jun-22-07 08:44 PM   #11 
     - crazy...  Viva_La_Revolution   Jun-22-07 08:48 PM   #14 
  - I Missed Nothing. That Was Number Two. I'm A Bit Surprised You Overlooked It.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 08:42 PM   #9 
  - nope. allow me to quote you.  ulysses   Jun-22-07 08:46 PM   #12 
     - It's Absolutely The Same Difference.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 09:01 PM   #21 
        - nope, sorry again.  ulysses   Jun-22-07 09:21 PM   #29 
           - I'm Not Sure You're Seeing The Bigger Picture That I'm Referencing.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 10:37 PM   #53 
              - what you're missing is that, whether I'm at the mall or at the lake,  ulysses   Jun-22-07 11:03 PM   #58 
                 - You're Not Quite Seeing What I'm Saying Here. Once You're Where You're At, It Is No Longer Really  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 11:17 PM   #59 
                    - "Once You're Where You're At, It Is No Longer Really relevant as to what got you there." wrong  ulysses   Jun-22-07 11:25 PM   #63 
                       - Can You Explain How? Just Because You Say So Doesn't Make It True.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 11:33 PM   #64 
                       - easy - someone kicks you in the balls. who did it matters.  ulysses   Jun-22-07 11:38 PM   #66 
                          - We've Gone Through This Already. You Haven't Supplied Anything New.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 11:56 PM   #70 
                             - I don't accept the bee.  Truth2Tell   Jun-23-07 11:55 AM   #104 
                             - the "wisdom" of choosing the lesser pain  ulysses   Jun-23-07 04:49 PM   #141 
                                - What Is The Point You're Trying To Make? It Wasn't Made Accurately.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 05:16 PM   #147 
                       - that's the mistake these DLC enablers are making. It does matter "how you got there" to voters.  bettyellen   Jun-23-07 01:41 PM   #113 
                          - well put.  ulysses   Jun-23-07 09:14 PM   #148 
  - That's the #2. No need for a third there.  Festivito   Jun-22-07 08:53 PM   #18 
  - yeah, we've been here before.  ulysses   Jun-22-07 10:09 PM   #43 
     - They're Not My Points. They're Inherent Logical Realities That I Merely Recognize.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 10:13 PM   #45 
        - yeah, whatever.  ulysses   Jun-22-07 11:19 PM   #62 
        - 'Yeah Whatever' Is Not An Answer Nor An Argument.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 11:36 PM   #65 
           - I deny your assertion of "inherent logical realities".  ulysses   Jun-22-07 11:45 PM   #68 
              - Some People Deny Evolution. Denial Without Supporting Logical Refutation Is Inconsequential.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 12:02 AM   #72 
        - "They're Inherent Logical Realities"  Forkboy   Jun-23-07 01:26 AM   #78 
           - beware, my friend.  ulysses   Jun-23-07 04:34 PM   #136 
              - Well they'll probably have better luck than I have in defining it.  Forkboy   Jun-23-07 04:36 PM   #138 
              - reality based community. discuss.  ulysses   Jun-23-07 04:39 PM   #140 
              - LOL  Forkboy   Jun-23-07 04:52 PM   #142 
              - i am gonna snuggle in here, thanks.  buddhamama   Jun-25-07 11:07 AM   #166 
              - the familiar scenery reminded me...  buddhamama   Jun-25-07 11:40 AM   #169 
                 - thanks, buddhamama!  ulysses   Jun-25-07 01:26 PM   #178 
  - Then they are either stupid or manipulating you.  LoZoccolo   Jun-23-07 10:17 AM   #86 
  - Go out and do that, then. Go get some of the non-voters to vote for the D  kenzee13   Jun-23-07 11:46 AM   #98 
  - True that, Whether the architect of evil or the one who rolls over to it, does it matter?  GreenPartyVoter   Jun-23-07 11:27 AM   #93 
  - Thank you my friend for explaining this with simple logic  MadMaddie   Jun-22-07 08:35 PM   #2 
  - We only control one vote: our own.  Warpy   Jun-22-07 08:38 PM   #3 
  - Day-um, I hate it when I agree with you  havocmom   Jun-22-07 08:38 PM   #4 
  - It's unfortunate that that's the way it is, but that's the way it is.  Redstone   Jun-22-07 08:38 PM   #5 
  - Since the Democratic Party has decided to largely ignore my interests in  nosmokes   Jun-22-07 08:54 PM   #19 
  - "Party stalwarts like me trying to intimidate you?" What the FUCK are you smoking?  Redstone   Jun-22-07 09:03 PM   #23 
     - look, I know that the implication that if I don't vote Democratic is the same  nosmokes   Jun-22-07 09:21 PM   #28 
        - You're reading WAY too much into a post that never accused you of anything.  Redstone   Jun-22-07 09:26 PM   #33 
        - It's Not Intimidation; It's Simple Reality.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 09:50 PM   #36 
  - But there are other says to voice your disapproval with what Dems are doing beside your vote!!!  Perky   Jun-23-07 08:55 AM   #82 
  - looks like you need a vote!  Jeffersons Ghost   Jun-22-07 08:47 PM   #13 
  - Here's some logic:  rucky   Jun-22-07 08:50 PM   #15 
  - All 3 of those things also apply toward Democrats in the middle  elocs   Jun-22-07 08:58 PM   #20 
     - I'm with you, but this was more of a strategy message.  rucky   Jun-23-07 08:36 AM   #81 
     - If people who ordinarily vote Democratic choose to vote for a 3rd party,  elocs   Jun-23-07 11:52 AM   #103 
        - If people who wanted to avoid this situation  LWolf   Jun-23-07 04:35 PM   #137 
     - bullshit  557188   Jun-25-07 12:20 PM   #175 
  - Sorry I do not vote for Repugs and if Hillary is the Dems choice I will not  wakeme2008   Jun-22-07 08:50 PM   #16 
  - So You're Saying You Want The Republican Party Candidate To Win Then?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 09:08 PM   #25 
     - no.  ulysses   Jun-22-07 09:22 PM   #30 
     - I trust anything coming out of Hillary's mouth the same as Bush  wakeme2008   Jun-22-07 09:54 PM   #39 
        - Have You Ever Checked Her Record? Check Again And You'll See How Wrong You Are.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 10:09 PM   #42 
           - She supports the killing in Iraq and has told Israeli groups Bombing Iran is on the Table.  wakeme2008   Jun-23-07 03:49 AM   #80 
           - now we have reached the crux of it.  tomp   Jun-23-07 10:12 AM   #84 
  - Logical? UnAmerican.  earthside   Jun-22-07 09:02 PM   #22 
  - Gee I am sure glad we put that to rest.  MuseRider   Jun-22-07 09:06 PM   #24 
  - Is There A Part You Disagreed With? I'd Like To Hear Your Reasoning.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 09:51 PM   #37 
     - There is no point  MuseRider   Jun-22-07 10:18 PM   #47 
        - It's Not About Them Not Getting It Or Them Being Stupid.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 10:26 PM   #49 
           - You are now the keeper of what is right and what is wrong along with the definition of logic  Veganistan   Jun-22-07 11:17 PM   #60 
           - You Can Criticize My Person All You Want. It Still Doesn't Overcome The Logic.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 11:42 PM   #67 
           - You've made no evidence based statements of logic, only assertions inspired by, colored by and  Veganistan   Jun-23-07 12:45 AM   #77 
           - you are using "logic" as you see it  datasuspect   Jun-23-07 10:25 AM   #89 
              - I Am Using Logic As It Exists In Reality. Can You Refute It?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 02:01 PM   #114 
                 - precise language  datasuspect   Jun-23-07 03:09 PM   #124 
                    - You Dismiss With No Evidence. You Are Putting Forth Empty Premise. That Makes It Illegitimate.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 03:15 PM   #126 
                       - you throw around the word logic way too much  datasuspect   Jun-23-07 04:01 PM   #134 
                          - Your Words Are Empty Without Substance Behind Them. Until You Supply Some, You've Put Forth Nothing  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 05:05 PM   #143 
           - sophistry  datasuspect   Jun-23-07 10:23 AM   #88 
           - can you define what you mean by "logic"  datasuspect   Jun-23-07 10:21 AM   #87 
              - Do You Seriously Not Know What Logic Means?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 02:02 PM   #115 
                 - can you answer what you think it means?  datasuspect   Jun-23-07 03:05 PM   #122 
                    - I Was Niether Rude Nor Combative. Don't Be So Sensitive. If You Know What Logic Means, Then  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 03:36 PM   #130 
                       - bombast  datasuspect   Jun-23-07 03:59 PM   #133 
                          - Have You Anything Useful Or Containing Merit To Contribute To This Discussion?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 05:06 PM   #144 
  - I think I am going to have to disagree with this somewhat:  The Straight Story   Jun-22-07 09:09 PM   #26 
  - What you said. Give 'em ONE more chance to understand why we elected them.  Redstone   Jun-22-07 09:24 PM   #32 
  - I am a patient and forgiving person  The Straight Story   Jun-22-07 09:43 PM   #35 
  - You Said "The idea here is". That's The Rub: It's Not The Idea; It's The Outcome.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 09:58 PM   #40 
     - And the key to that is, as you said:  The Straight Story   Jun-22-07 10:07 PM   #41 
        - Gotta Be Honest: This Stage Of The Game Is All This OP Is Referencing.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 10:10 PM   #44 
           - Fair enough old friend  The Straight Story   Jun-22-07 10:20 PM   #48 
              - LOL  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 10:27 PM   #50 
                 - I'll have a beer with you on that one!  The Straight Story   Jun-22-07 10:33 PM   #52 
  - K and R  ourbluenation   Jun-22-07 09:22 PM   #31 
  - Your method isn't going to solve anything.  Heaven and Earth   Jun-22-07 09:31 PM   #34 
  - Unfortunately, the two party system is having  mmonk   Jun-22-07 09:54 PM   #38 
  - You summed it up!! IMO, 3rd party votes  Mark_Pogue   Jun-22-07 10:16 PM   #46 
  - Well according to your obviously flawed logic there ...  Everybody   Jun-22-07 10:56 PM   #55 
  - That's A Completely False Assertion.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 11:01 PM   #56 
     - Now that would be a shit storm :)  The Straight Story   Jun-22-07 11:02 PM   #57 
     - Not Tellin...  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-22-07 11:18 PM   #61 
     - No, not necessarily true, especially if the Dems nominate somebody big like Hillary.  Selatius   Jun-23-07 12:17 AM   #76 
  - sorry OMC, some of us can think more than one election cycle into the future. we are  HardRocker05   Jun-22-07 11:55 PM   #69 
  - Yes yes yes  sampsonblk   Jun-23-07 12:35 PM   #107 
  - The majority of eligible voters will vote for  Tom Joad   Jun-23-07 12:04 AM   #73 
  - You Don't Think They Do?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 12:09 AM   #75 
  - I agree with you, but your argument is futile if it falls on deaf ears...  assclown_bush   Jun-23-07 02:21 AM   #79 
  - Punish the party?  MuseRider   Jun-23-07 10:17 AM   #85 
     - "back to the people"???  assclown_bush   Jun-23-07 01:32 PM   #112 
  - this post is kinda like a can i put it...?  tomp   Jun-23-07 10:05 AM   #83 
  - Actually It's Quite Simply Just Pure Logic About The Way It Is.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 11:14 AM   #91 
     - i've watched your postings carefully enough to know...  tomp   Jun-23-07 01:30 PM   #111 
        - You're Dead Wrong. I, As In The Past, Will Readily Admit Error When Necessary.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 02:05 PM   #116 
           - the op IS about you...  tomp   Jun-24-07 12:18 AM   #149 
              - Funny. You Keep Attacking The Person, Yet Haven't Offered A Shred Of Logic To Refute The OP. None.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-24-07 12:55 PM   #150 
                 - your post is no more or less true...  tomp   Jun-25-07 10:29 AM   #164 
  - i'll vote fer swillary if i have to but damn will i have to hold my nose  natrat   Jun-23-07 10:26 AM   #90 
  - I Can Understand That.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 02:05 PM   #117 
  - How come they don't care if a Democrat wins?  dogday   Jun-23-07 11:21 AM   #92 
  - You Can't Combine The Two Logically.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 02:10 PM   #118 
     - That is correct if that is how Americans are thinking but  dogday   Jun-23-07 02:26 PM   #121 
  - There may well be a viable third party candidate this time. nt  calteacherguy   Jun-23-07 11:28 AM   #94 
  - When One Becomes Available, Then The OP No Longer Has Merit.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 02:11 PM   #119 
  - You're assuming party affiliation determines choice...  WHAT   Jun-23-07 11:36 AM   #96 
  - So in other words: Party before country. Go Team Go. Rah Rah Rah.  Beelzebud   Jun-23-07 11:47 AM   #99 
  - No; Not In Other Words. That's Far Too Narrow Minded Of A Premise.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 02:13 PM   #120 
     - ... and you'd certainly know a narrow minded premise when you see one ...  hippiechick   Jun-25-07 12:17 PM   #174 
  - It's (nominally) a Democracy. In a Democracy, it's the CANDIDATE'S job  kenzee13   Jun-23-07 11:48 AM   #101 
  - I'll use history here  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-23-07 12:54 PM   #109 
  - Now that I think of it...  Aya Reiko   Jun-23-07 01:02 PM   #110 
  - I stayed home until 2000 and stand by that.  Jed Dilligan   Jun-23-07 03:21 PM   #127 
  - Ahh OMC, engaging in some more black and white thinking again  MadHound   Jun-23-07 03:24 PM   #128 
  - It's Not My Thinking. It's Logical Reality Whether I Think It Or Not.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 03:39 PM   #131 
     - The reason that I didn't get into it all is because I know that I can lay out, in black and white  MadHound   Jun-23-07 03:56 PM   #132 
        - Maybe You'd Have A Leg To Stand On If You Engaged In Contextual Debate Rather Than Empty Critique.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 05:10 PM   #145 
  - This theme has been discussed a lot on here  DFW   Jun-23-07 03:32 PM   #129 
  - It's easy to break things down into 2 fundamental meanings  LWolf   Jun-23-07 04:31 PM   #135 
  - If You Disagree With The OP, Please Show What It Missed.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-23-07 05:12 PM   #146 
  - You miss my point entirely. Probably deliberately.  LWolf   Jun-24-07 01:06 PM   #151 
     - thank you for clarifying accountabilty, because those doing political calculus are gambling  bettyellen   Jun-24-07 01:57 PM   #155 
     - You're welcome. n/t  LWolf   Jun-24-07 03:30 PM   #161 
     - I Agree With That, But It's Separate From The OP. The OP Still Exists At The Same Time.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-24-07 02:14 PM   #157 
        - I still disagree.  LWolf   Jun-24-07 03:50 PM   #162 
  - Some of that is a bit strong:  DFW   Jun-24-07 04:18 PM   #163 
     - Interesting.  LWolf   Jun-25-07 11:30 AM   #167 
  - Well Then  Madspirit   Jun-23-07 04:39 PM   #139 
  - Have we learned nothing from the past?  Kajsa   Jun-24-07 01:24 PM   #154 
  - Basic human nature trumps "logic"  depakid   Jun-24-07 02:13 PM   #156 
  - Logic Always Trumps Human Nature. It Is Human Nature That Is Flawed.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-24-07 02:21 PM   #159 
  - "Unless there is a viable third party candidate..."  lynyrd_skynyrd   Jun-24-07 02:16 PM   #158 
  - You Can't Be Serious.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-24-07 02:24 PM   #160 
  - Since the Democrats we elected in 2006 have failed to do anything...  txaslftist   Jun-25-07 11:04 AM   #165 
  - SCOTUS--three landmarks handed down just today, one Enron-related decision  blondeatlast   Jun-25-07 11:33 AM   #168 
     - You seem to think that the votes mattered in 2004 or in 2000.  txaslftist   Jun-25-07 12:10 PM   #172 
  - perhaps no  hiphopnation23   Jun-25-07 12:10 PM   #171 
  - Thank you for your opinion.  hippiechick   Jun-25-07 12:11 PM   #173 
  - There is no chance whatsoever that a 'third party' candidate  Rex   Jun-25-07 12:20 PM   #176 
  - If everyone on the left continues to hold their noses and vote Dem  Jonathan50   Jun-25-07 12:43 PM   #177 
  - Or it could mean they are voting for the candidate of their choice.  Sentinel Chicken   Jun-25-07 01:54 PM   #179 
  - I declare that I am about to obtain pure objectivity right about....  Moochy   Jun-25-07 11:44 PM   #180 

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