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Fri Jun-22-07 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #60 |
| 67. You Can Criticize My Person All You Want. It Still Doesn't Overcome The Logic. |
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All I've done here is supplied fundamental logic and reasoning. I believe it to be indisputable in its merits. Not one response in this thread yet has shown why in the upcoming election the OP premise does not stand firm. When I see one, I will readily acknowledge it. I'm not going to just say "ok, I guess the logic is up for interpretation and not as bullet proof as I thought it was" just for sake of making you feel better. If you want me to acknowledge that, then you're going to have to show why the two logical points listed in the OP are false.
And I've listened to every reply and have not issued any sarcastic challenges. They are all legitimate and I welcome the answers to them all. If someone comes with even greater logic that stands even more firmly, I will readily acknowledge it. But I don't see how when broken down to its most basic form of fundamental logic, how it wouldn't in the end fit into one of the two categories listed. If you can show that to be in error, I welcome seeing how.
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| -Let's Put This Whole Voting Green/Indy/Not Gonna Vote Thing To Rest, Shall We? Use Logic. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 08:30 PM |
#0 |
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you missed the third fundamental thing: |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 08:34 PM |
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That's called "Naderism"--worked well in 2000, didn't it? |
elocs |
Jun-22-07 08:39 PM |
#6 |
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I'm not saying that I agree, |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 08:42 PM |
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Nominations to the Supreme Court alone would be worth the difference |
elocs |
Jun-22-07 08:52 PM |
#17 |
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Would that Gore Supreme Court be full of liberals |
Truth2Tell |
Jun-23-07 11:29 AM |
#95 |
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I'm sorry you are so easily confused and have to go back over 60 years |
elocs |
Jun-23-07 11:48 AM |
#100 |
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I just don't have much faith |
Truth2Tell |
Jun-23-07 12:32 PM |
#106 |
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Hmm some history might help |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-07 12:44 PM |
#108 |
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The Court didn't have a say on |
Truth2Tell |
Jun-23-07 03:07 PM |
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The big lie which you sort of repeat is that Nader said there was no difference between Bush* and Go |
Toots |
Jun-23-07 11:50 AM |
#102 |
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Semantic hair splitting does not a big lie make. |
elocs |
Jun-23-07 11:56 AM |
#105 |
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I also saw 500,000 Iraqi children killed under a Democratic president. |
bvar22 |
Jun-23-07 03:12 PM |
#125 |
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You agree with this? |
Kajsa |
Jun-24-07 01:06 PM |
#152 |
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I'd rather live through 30 years of republican presidents |
markk |
Jun-22-07 10:30 PM |
#51 |
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I'd love to see your post written in English. |
Veganistan |
Jun-22-07 10:38 PM |
#54 |
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Nice. Classy. |
Truth2Tell |
Jun-23-07 11:37 AM |
#97 |
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A mean, rude Vegan? |
Kajsa |
Jun-24-07 01:09 PM |
#153 |
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yep. nt |
HardRocker05 |
Jun-22-07 11:56 PM |
#71 |
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You're talking about the rest of my life and well into my grandchild's adulthood. Screw that. |
Hekate |
Jun-23-07 12:09 AM |
#74 |
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We had to destroy the village....I mean country, in order to save the country. |
MilesColtrane |
Jun-25-07 12:06 PM |
#170 |
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Regardless of which Democratic candidate we have, it's better than what we have now |
BushOut06 |
Jun-22-07 08:40 PM |
#7 |
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Yes, indeed. I'd be happy to have ANY of the Dem canditates for President. |
Redstone |
Jun-22-07 09:18 PM |
#27 |
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that's the roadblock I'm running into... |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jun-22-07 08:40 PM |
#8 |
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because they fear that appealing to the majority of those who don't bother |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 08:44 PM |
#11 |
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crazy... |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jun-22-07 08:48 PM |
#14 |
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I Missed Nothing. That Was Number Two. I'm A Bit Surprised You Overlooked It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 08:42 PM |
#9 |
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nope. allow me to quote you. |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 08:46 PM |
#12 |
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It's Absolutely The Same Difference. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 09:01 PM |
#21 |
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nope, sorry again. |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 09:21 PM |
#29 |
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I'm Not Sure You're Seeing The Bigger Picture That I'm Referencing. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 10:37 PM |
#53 |
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what you're missing is that, whether I'm at the mall or at the lake, |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 11:03 PM |
#58 |
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You're Not Quite Seeing What I'm Saying Here. Once You're Where You're At, It Is No Longer Really |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 11:17 PM |
#59 |
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"Once You're Where You're At, It Is No Longer Really relevant as to what got you there." wrong |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 11:25 PM |
#63 |
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Can You Explain How? Just Because You Say So Doesn't Make It True. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 11:33 PM |
#64 |
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easy - someone kicks you in the balls. who did it matters. |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 11:38 PM |
#66 |
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We've Gone Through This Already. You Haven't Supplied Anything New. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 11:56 PM |
#70 |
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I don't accept the bee. |
Truth2Tell |
Jun-23-07 11:55 AM |
#104 |
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the "wisdom" of choosing the lesser pain |
ulysses |
Jun-23-07 04:49 PM |
#141 |
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What Is The Point You're Trying To Make? It Wasn't Made Accurately. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 05:16 PM |
#147 |
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that's the mistake these DLC enablers are making. It does matter "how you got there" to voters. |
bettyellen |
Jun-23-07 01:41 PM |
#113 |
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well put. |
ulysses |
Jun-23-07 09:14 PM |
#148 |
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That's the #2. No need for a third there. |
Festivito |
Jun-22-07 08:53 PM |
#18 |
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yeah, we've been here before. |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 10:09 PM |
#43 |
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They're Not My Points. They're Inherent Logical Realities That I Merely Recognize. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 10:13 PM |
#45 |
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yeah, whatever. |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 11:19 PM |
#62 |
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'Yeah Whatever' Is Not An Answer Nor An Argument. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 11:36 PM |
#65 |
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I deny your assertion of "inherent logical realities". |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 11:45 PM |
#68 |
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Some People Deny Evolution. Denial Without Supporting Logical Refutation Is Inconsequential. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 12:02 AM |
#72 |
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"They're Inherent Logical Realities" |
Forkboy |
Jun-23-07 01:26 AM |
#78 |
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beware, my friend. |
ulysses |
Jun-23-07 04:34 PM |
#136 |
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Well they'll probably have better luck than I have in defining it. |
Forkboy |
Jun-23-07 04:36 PM |
#138 |
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reality based community. discuss. |
ulysses |
Jun-23-07 04:39 PM |
#140 |
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LOL |
Forkboy |
Jun-23-07 04:52 PM |
#142 |
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i am gonna snuggle in here, thanks. |
buddhamama |
Jun-25-07 11:07 AM |
#166 |
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the familiar scenery reminded me... |
buddhamama |
Jun-25-07 11:40 AM |
#169 |
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thanks, buddhamama! |
ulysses |
Jun-25-07 01:26 PM |
#178 |
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Then they are either stupid or manipulating you. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-23-07 10:17 AM |
#86 |
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Go out and do that, then. Go get some of the non-voters to vote for the D |
kenzee13 |
Jun-23-07 11:46 AM |
#98 |
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True that, Whether the architect of evil or the one who rolls over to it, does it matter? |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jun-23-07 11:27 AM |
#93 |
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Thank you my friend for explaining this with simple logic |
MadMaddie |
Jun-22-07 08:35 PM |
#2 |
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We only control one vote: our own. |
Warpy |
Jun-22-07 08:38 PM |
#3 |
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Day-um, I hate it when I agree with you |
havocmom |
Jun-22-07 08:38 PM |
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It's unfortunate that that's the way it is, but that's the way it is. |
Redstone |
Jun-22-07 08:38 PM |
#5 |
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Since the Democratic Party has decided to largely ignore my interests in |
nosmokes |
Jun-22-07 08:54 PM |
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"Party stalwarts like me trying to intimidate you?" What the FUCK are you smoking? |
Redstone |
Jun-22-07 09:03 PM |
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look, I know that the implication that if I don't vote Democratic is the same |
nosmokes |
Jun-22-07 09:21 PM |
#28 |
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You're reading WAY too much into a post that never accused you of anything. |
Redstone |
Jun-22-07 09:26 PM |
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It's Not Intimidation; It's Simple Reality. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 09:50 PM |
#36 |
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But there are other says to voice your disapproval with what Dems are doing beside your vote!!! |
Perky |
Jun-23-07 08:55 AM |
#82 |
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looks like you need a vote! |
Jeffersons Ghost |
Jun-22-07 08:47 PM |
#13 |
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Here's some logic: |
rucky |
Jun-22-07 08:50 PM |
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All 3 of those things also apply toward Democrats in the middle |
elocs |
Jun-22-07 08:58 PM |
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I'm with you, but this was more of a strategy message. |
rucky |
Jun-23-07 08:36 AM |
#81 |
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If people who ordinarily vote Democratic choose to vote for a 3rd party, |
elocs |
Jun-23-07 11:52 AM |
#103 |
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If people who wanted to avoid this situation |
LWolf |
Jun-23-07 04:35 PM |
#137 |
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bullshit |
557188 |
Jun-25-07 12:20 PM |
#175 |
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Sorry I do not vote for Repugs and if Hillary is the Dems choice I will not |
wakeme2008 |
Jun-22-07 08:50 PM |
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So You're Saying You Want The Republican Party Candidate To Win Then? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 09:08 PM |
#25 |
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no. |
ulysses |
Jun-22-07 09:22 PM |
#30 |
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I trust anything coming out of Hillary's mouth the same as Bush |
wakeme2008 |
Jun-22-07 09:54 PM |
#39 |
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Have You Ever Checked Her Record? Check Again And You'll See How Wrong You Are. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 10:09 PM |
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She supports the killing in Iraq and has told Israeli groups Bombing Iran is on the Table. |
wakeme2008 |
Jun-23-07 03:49 AM |
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now we have reached the crux of it. |
tomp |
Jun-23-07 10:12 AM |
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Logical? UnAmerican. |
earthside |
Jun-22-07 09:02 PM |
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Gee I am sure glad we put that to rest. |
MuseRider |
Jun-22-07 09:06 PM |
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Is There A Part You Disagreed With? I'd Like To Hear Your Reasoning. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 09:51 PM |
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There is no point |
MuseRider |
Jun-22-07 10:18 PM |
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It's Not About Them Not Getting It Or Them Being Stupid. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 10:26 PM |
#49 |
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You are now the keeper of what is right and what is wrong along with the definition of logic |
Veganistan |
Jun-22-07 11:17 PM |
#60 |
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You Can Criticize My Person All You Want. It Still Doesn't Overcome The Logic. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 11:42 PM |
#67 |
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You've made no evidence based statements of logic, only assertions inspired by, colored by and |
Veganistan |
Jun-23-07 12:45 AM |
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you are using "logic" as you see it |
datasuspect |
Jun-23-07 10:25 AM |
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I Am Using Logic As It Exists In Reality. Can You Refute It? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 02:01 PM |
#114 |
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precise language |
datasuspect |
Jun-23-07 03:09 PM |
#124 |
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You Dismiss With No Evidence. You Are Putting Forth Empty Premise. That Makes It Illegitimate. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 03:15 PM |
#126 |
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you throw around the word logic way too much |
datasuspect |
Jun-23-07 04:01 PM |
#134 |
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Your Words Are Empty Without Substance Behind Them. Until You Supply Some, You've Put Forth Nothing |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 05:05 PM |
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sophistry |
datasuspect |
Jun-23-07 10:23 AM |
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can you define what you mean by "logic" |
datasuspect |
Jun-23-07 10:21 AM |
#87 |
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Do You Seriously Not Know What Logic Means? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 02:02 PM |
#115 |
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can you answer what you think it means? |
datasuspect |
Jun-23-07 03:05 PM |
#122 |
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I Was Niether Rude Nor Combative. Don't Be So Sensitive. If You Know What Logic Means, Then |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 03:36 PM |
#130 |
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bombast |
datasuspect |
Jun-23-07 03:59 PM |
#133 |
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Have You Anything Useful Or Containing Merit To Contribute To This Discussion? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 05:06 PM |
#144 |
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I think I am going to have to disagree with this somewhat: |
The Straight Story |
Jun-22-07 09:09 PM |
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What you said. Give 'em ONE more chance to understand why we elected them. |
Redstone |
Jun-22-07 09:24 PM |
#32 |
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I am a patient and forgiving person |
The Straight Story |
Jun-22-07 09:43 PM |
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You Said "The idea here is". That's The Rub: It's Not The Idea; It's The Outcome. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 09:58 PM |
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And the key to that is, as you said: |
The Straight Story |
Jun-22-07 10:07 PM |
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Gotta Be Honest: This Stage Of The Game Is All This OP Is Referencing. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 10:10 PM |
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Fair enough old friend |
The Straight Story |
Jun-22-07 10:20 PM |
#48 |
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LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 10:27 PM |
#50 |
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I'll have a beer with you on that one! |
The Straight Story |
Jun-22-07 10:33 PM |
#52 |
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K and R |
ourbluenation |
Jun-22-07 09:22 PM |
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Your method isn't going to solve anything. |
Heaven and Earth |
Jun-22-07 09:31 PM |
#34 |
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Unfortunately, the two party system is having |
mmonk |
Jun-22-07 09:54 PM |
#38 |
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You summed it up!! IMO, 3rd party votes |
Mark_Pogue |
Jun-22-07 10:16 PM |
#46 |
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Well according to your obviously flawed logic there ... |
Everybody |
Jun-22-07 10:56 PM |
#55 |
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That's A Completely False Assertion. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 11:01 PM |
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Now that would be a shit storm :) |
The Straight Story |
Jun-22-07 11:02 PM |
#57 |
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Not Tellin... |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-22-07 11:18 PM |
#61 |
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No, not necessarily true, especially if the Dems nominate somebody big like Hillary. |
Selatius |
Jun-23-07 12:17 AM |
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sorry OMC, some of us can think more than one election cycle into the future. we are |
HardRocker05 |
Jun-22-07 11:55 PM |
#69 |
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Yes yes yes |
sampsonblk |
Jun-23-07 12:35 PM |
#107 |
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The majority of eligible voters will vote for |
Tom Joad |
Jun-23-07 12:04 AM |
#73 |
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You Don't Think They Do? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 12:09 AM |
#75 |
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I agree with you, but your argument is futile if it falls on deaf ears... |
assclown_bush |
Jun-23-07 02:21 AM |
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Punish the party? |
MuseRider |
Jun-23-07 10:17 AM |
#85 |
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"back to the people"??? |
assclown_bush |
Jun-23-07 01:32 PM |
#112 |
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this post is kinda like a ...how can i put it...? |
tomp |
Jun-23-07 10:05 AM |
#83 |
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Actually It's Quite Simply Just Pure Logic About The Way It Is. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 11:14 AM |
#91 |
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i've watched your postings carefully enough to know... |
tomp |
Jun-23-07 01:30 PM |
#111 |
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You're Dead Wrong. I, As In The Past, Will Readily Admit Error When Necessary. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 02:05 PM |
#116 |
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the op IS about you... |
tomp |
Jun-24-07 12:18 AM |
#149 |
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Funny. You Keep Attacking The Person, Yet Haven't Offered A Shred Of Logic To Refute The OP. None. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-24-07 12:55 PM |
#150 |
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your post is no more or less true... |
tomp |
Jun-25-07 10:29 AM |
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i'll vote fer swillary if i have to but damn will i have to hold my nose |
natrat |
Jun-23-07 10:26 AM |
#90 |
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I Can Understand That. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 02:05 PM |
#117 |
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How come they don't care if a Democrat wins? |
dogday |
Jun-23-07 11:21 AM |
#92 |
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You Can't Combine The Two Logically. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 02:10 PM |
#118 |
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That is correct if that is how Americans are thinking but |
dogday |
Jun-23-07 02:26 PM |
#121 |
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There may well be a viable third party candidate this time. nt |
calteacherguy |
Jun-23-07 11:28 AM |
#94 |
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When One Becomes Available, Then The OP No Longer Has Merit. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 02:11 PM |
#119 |
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You're assuming party affiliation determines choice... |
WHAT |
Jun-23-07 11:36 AM |
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So in other words: Party before country. Go Team Go. Rah Rah Rah. |
Beelzebud |
Jun-23-07 11:47 AM |
#99 |
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No; Not In Other Words. That's Far Too Narrow Minded Of A Premise. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 02:13 PM |
#120 |
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... and you'd certainly know a narrow minded premise when you see one ... |
hippiechick |
Jun-25-07 12:17 PM |
#174 |
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It's (nominally) a Democracy. In a Democracy, it's the CANDIDATE'S job |
kenzee13 |
Jun-23-07 11:48 AM |
#101 |
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I'll use history here |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-07 12:54 PM |
#109 |
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Now that I think of it... |
Aya Reiko |
Jun-23-07 01:02 PM |
#110 |
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I stayed home until 2000 and stand by that. |
Jed Dilligan |
Jun-23-07 03:21 PM |
#127 |
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Ahh OMC, engaging in some more black and white thinking again |
MadHound |
Jun-23-07 03:24 PM |
#128 |
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It's Not My Thinking. It's Logical Reality Whether I Think It Or Not. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 03:39 PM |
#131 |
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The reason that I didn't get into it all is because I know that I can lay out, in black and white |
MadHound |
Jun-23-07 03:56 PM |
#132 |
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Maybe You'd Have A Leg To Stand On If You Engaged In Contextual Debate Rather Than Empty Critique. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 05:10 PM |
#145 |
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This theme has been discussed a lot on here |
DFW |
Jun-23-07 03:32 PM |
#129 |
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It's easy to break things down into 2 fundamental meanings |
LWolf |
Jun-23-07 04:31 PM |
#135 |
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If You Disagree With The OP, Please Show What It Missed. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-23-07 05:12 PM |
#146 |
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You miss my point entirely. Probably deliberately. |
LWolf |
Jun-24-07 01:06 PM |
#151 |
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thank you for clarifying accountabilty, because those doing political calculus are gambling |
bettyellen |
Jun-24-07 01:57 PM |
#155 |
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You're welcome. n/t |
LWolf |
Jun-24-07 03:30 PM |
#161 |
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I Agree With That, But It's Separate From The OP. The OP Still Exists At The Same Time. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-24-07 02:14 PM |
#157 |
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I still disagree. |
LWolf |
Jun-24-07 03:50 PM |
#162 |
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Some of that is a bit strong: |
DFW |
Jun-24-07 04:18 PM |
#163 |
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Interesting. |
LWolf |
Jun-25-07 11:30 AM |
#167 |
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Well Then |
Madspirit |
Jun-23-07 04:39 PM |
#139 |
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Have we learned nothing from the past? |
Kajsa |
Jun-24-07 01:24 PM |
#154 |
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Basic human nature trumps "logic" |
depakid |
Jun-24-07 02:13 PM |
#156 |
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Logic Always Trumps Human Nature. It Is Human Nature That Is Flawed. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-24-07 02:21 PM |
#159 |
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"Unless there is a viable third party candidate..." |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Jun-24-07 02:16 PM |
#158 |
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You Can't Be Serious. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-24-07 02:24 PM |
#160 |
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Since the Democrats we elected in 2006 have failed to do anything... |
txaslftist |
Jun-25-07 11:04 AM |
#165 |
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SCOTUS--three landmarks handed down just today, one Enron-related decision |
blondeatlast |
Jun-25-07 11:33 AM |
#168 |
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You seem to think that the votes mattered in 2004 or in 2000. |
txaslftist |
Jun-25-07 12:10 PM |
#172 |
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perhaps no |
hiphopnation23 |
Jun-25-07 12:10 PM |
#171 |
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Thank you for your opinion. |
hippiechick |
Jun-25-07 12:11 PM |
#173 |
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There is no chance whatsoever that a 'third party' candidate |
Rex |
Jun-25-07 12:20 PM |
#176 |
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If everyone on the left continues to hold their noses and vote Dem |
Jonathan50 |
Jun-25-07 12:43 PM |
#177 |
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Or it could mean they are voting for the candidate of their choice. |
Sentinel Chicken |
Jun-25-07 01:54 PM |
#179 |
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I declare that I am about to obtain pure objectivity right about.... |
Moochy |
Jun-25-07 11:44 PM |
#180 |
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