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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:55 AM
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13. Wait a minute
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 11:56 AM by dmallind
He wrote it.

He knows what he intended it to mean, and anyone else who starts hypothesizing is simply reading more into the work than was put there. Yes it's possible an especially acute mind can use critical analysis to detect subconscious influences on the author that caused more meaning to be there than he intended, but it's far more likely that a pseudo-intellectual can guess wrong or just parrot what others have said.

He makes a fair point - does anyone want to defend the impact of television on the cultural and political awareness of the average citizen?

As has been pointed out, the two posited meanings - the marginalization of literature and the warning against censorship - are far from mutually incompatible. We KNOW the first is explicitly there because we know what the guy who wrote it was saying when he did so. We can with varying levels of credibility try to prove that the latter is there too, but there is no argument that the first is NOT there.

What does it matter if he's a freeper? He can't write well or can't with genuine merit and feeling lament the soporific retarding effect of televized pablum just because he disagrees with us politically? From all I've read Hitler loved dogs. I do too. I have no hesitation in saying that, on the subject of dogs, I agree with Hitler; or that on the subject of television's detrimental impact that I agree with Ray Bradbury. Only a total dolt would say they disagree with an author on what he intended his book to say, regardless of his politics.

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  -Ray Bradbury: Fahrenheit 451 is about How TV Destroys Literature Sequoia  Jun-21-07 11:19 AM   #0 
  - Poor Ray, so addled he doesn't remember his own book.  MNDemNY   Jun-21-07 11:21 AM   #1 
  - He's been a freeper for a while. Sad, but sometimes you do get more  GreenPartyVoter   Jun-21-07 11:21 AM   #2 
  - he's been a freeper for a LONG while.  ellenfl   Jun-21-07 11:34 AM   #7 
  - He's not a freeper.  Shakespeare   Jun-21-07 12:13 PM   #16 
     - Indeed?  Hong Kong Cavalier   Jun-21-07 04:32 PM   #36 
  - Flash: Will Shakespeare said today,  MNDemNY   Jun-21-07 11:24 AM   #3 
  - And to think I always thought it was an anti-teen-sex rant  Bucky   Jun-21-07 11:26 AM   #5 
  - So there's no validity in the anti-censorship interpretations of his book?  Bucky   Jun-21-07 11:25 AM   #4 
  - Maybe Bradbury should turn off the Faux news and read his own book.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-07 11:31 AM   #6 
  - Ray clearly wrote about the acidic effect of television in "The Pedestrian"  Ezlivin   Jun-21-07 11:36 AM   #8 
  - Sometimes when I'm reading and the tv is on  Sequoia   Jun-21-07 12:46 PM   #22 
  - Uh, isn't this what Al Gore is also saying?  SteelPenguin   Jun-21-07 11:38 AM   #9 
  - No, Al Gore isn't against TV. He owns a network. He's against BAD TV. NT  NYCGirl   Jun-21-07 11:46 AM   #11 
  - Sniff! It's sad when old people lose it. Uh, where was I?  BikeWriter   Jun-21-07 11:44 AM   #10 
  - If you can't rewrite the book, just rewrite HISTORY.  dicksteele   Jun-21-07 11:51 AM   #12 
  - Wait a minute  dmallind   Jun-21-07 11:55 AM   #13 
  - Sure, there can be more than one message in a book  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-21-07 12:05 PM   #15 
  - Bad content and misinformation can be found on teevee and in books.  valerief   Jun-21-07 11:58 AM   #14 
  - I beg to differ.  NCevilDUer   Jun-21-07 12:18 PM   #17 
  - GREAT post.  Shakespeare   Jun-21-07 12:23 PM   #19 
  - That must've been cool.  Sequoia   Jun-21-07 01:00 PM   #25 
     - He's an absolute sweetheart.  Shakespeare   Jun-21-07 01:47 PM   #29 
  - A Bill Moyers series vs. Ann Coulter books. Those are your only choices.  valerief   Jun-21-07 12:26 PM   #20 
     - As I said, different mediums.  NCevilDUer   Jun-21-07 12:53 PM   #23 
        - why can't you argue with the TV?  hfojvt   Jun-21-07 01:05 PM   #27 
        - You said it right there -  NCevilDUer   Jun-21-07 02:24 PM   #31 
           - So how do you argue with a book again? I missed that. nt  valerief   Jun-21-07 04:25 PM   #34 
        - I "read" your answer and I still don't know what your choice was.  valerief   Jun-21-07 04:23 PM   #32 
        - That's "ease" not "east" - too late to edit. nt  NCevilDUer   Jun-21-07 05:06 PM   #37 
  - Yeah, but people don't reap much, so bad books are relatively harmless  JVS   Jun-21-07 12:18 PM   #18 
  - Right  fishnfla   Jun-21-07 12:57 PM   #24 
     - You don't know how to read books if you think they're not selling something. nt  valerief   Jun-21-07 04:24 PM   #33 
        - no reply necessary  fishnfla   Jun-21-07 05:16 PM   #39 
           - Huh? nt  valerief   Jun-22-07 12:33 PM   #40 
  - As far as dystopian novels go, that one sucks.  Vickers   Jun-21-07 12:31 PM   #21 
  - Well, more people are reading now than ever before - on the internet  The Straight Story   Jun-21-07 01:03 PM   #26 
  - One thing lately crossing my mind  Jim Warren   Jun-21-07 01:13 PM   #28 
  - "There is such a thing as too much education."  ieoeja   Jun-21-07 02:06 PM   #30 
  - That's what's cool about art. It admits of useful and interesting interpretations....  BlooInBloo   Jun-21-07 04:25 PM   #35 
  - I wonder if Bradbury felt the same about his TV show.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-21-07 05:08 PM   #38 
  - Bradbury has devolved  librechik   Jun-22-07 12:41 PM   #41 
 

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