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Wed Jun-20-07 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #129 |
| 134. Sexual Orientation Covers Heterosexuality, Too. |
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Edited on Wed Jun-20-07 10:55 PM by Toasterlad
If you're out walking in West Hollywood one night, and you pass some queens who are enraged by your blatant heterosity, and they come at you and SCRATCH YOU SILLY JUST FOR BEING STRAIGHT, you'd be as protected under the same hate laws as any abused homo in the country. You can't get any more equal than that. Three snaps for equality, brothers and sisters!
Edited for poor gay grammar.
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| -Please consider helping pass the Hate Crimes legislation |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 05:20 PM |
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Maybe we should think long and hard |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:23 PM |
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Well then it's a good thing we are NOT criminalizing thought. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 05:38 PM |
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Motivation? bs There |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:44 PM |
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We punish motivation all the time in other contexts |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 05:55 PM |
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Death penalty should go as well, Extra crime of |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:59 PM |
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Certainly these factors should |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:35 PM |
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How are the beliefs being criminalized? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:44 PM |
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Really...how many times have laws relating to conspiracies |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 06:14 PM |
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Who is this "they" of which you speak? |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:37 PM |
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THEY = judiciary. It is rather obvious in the sentence. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:11 PM |
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Why do you bring up conspiracies? |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 06:23 PM |
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No, the crime is the denial of civil rights. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:25 PM |
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Please explain to me an example of "denying civil rights" in the commission of a violent crime. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 06:44 PM |
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Take for instance |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:55 PM |
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Why wouldn't that be simple murder? And do you think gay bashing should be a federal crime? |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 08:55 PM |
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What if some one commits a crime because they |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:46 PM |
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Why don't we worry about fords and red hair when....... |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 06:17 PM |
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I'm with you on that one. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 06:33 PM |
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"we" ?? "they" ?? Maybe you need to reflect a bit. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:39 PM |
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I've reflected more than long enough |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 07:06 PM |
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I hope you are being sarcastic to |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 07:12 PM |
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"Straight panic" |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 07:33 PM |
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That bullshit argument is cut from the same cloth as the anti-gay marriage argument. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 06:42 PM |
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I don't follow your analogy. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:45 PM |
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Your red haired ford driver scenario serves to dilute what's REALLY happening to GLBT people.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 08:40 PM |
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I noticed that too. . . |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:45 PM |
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"these people" |
MNDemNY |
Jun-21-07 08:27 AM |
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Really? How many women do you know who move freely |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 07:08 PM |
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Then let's effectively prosecute the laws we already have. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 07:15 PM |
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Also, if that is your point, what makes you |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 07:17 PM |
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How many laws are prosecuted that are NOT on the books? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 07:57 PM |
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I'm agreeing with you. I was expanding on my original point. I should have been moore clear. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 08:38 PM |
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Sorry. . . |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:47 PM |
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What if they started beating up white males at random? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 06:28 PM |
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They could be charged with murder. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:36 PM |
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Nope. . .it would be reduced to manslaughter. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 06:38 PM |
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Your use of "they" is quite alarming. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:41 PM |
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They is a plural reference to a "group" |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 07:58 PM |
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Easy, the "hate crime" is separate charge from the , and I hate |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:50 PM |
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WRONG. |
CTD |
Jun-20-07 06:46 PM |
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No you are treating different crimes differently |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 06:53 PM |
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No, actually it's not. Because we don't know what inspired the bar fight. |
CTD |
Jun-20-07 06:59 PM |
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What a bullshit argument. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 07:53 PM |
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Agreed, but that is a function of sentencing. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:59 PM |
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I can't fathom you would prefer to have one judge make that decision |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 07:15 PM |
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Why would you think jury would do that |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 07:21 PM |
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because no less than the Supreme Court has ruled about this |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 08:40 PM |
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But you didn't mind when it was perfectly fine for the dominant |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 06:59 PM |
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That, true as it is, must be addressed through education, or it will not stick. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 07:01 PM |
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That "education" does not save someone's life or protect their rights now |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 07:20 PM |
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I still don't see how new laws, that even you question |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 07:23 PM |
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Right....let's just do nothing, shall we? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:10 PM |
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and it ain't a new law. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:28 PM |
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Maybe you should think long and hard. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-20-07 05:47 PM |
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??? Go on...... |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:48 PM |
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are you against current hate crime statutes |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 05:53 PM |
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Yes, criminalizing thoughts is wrong. I lobbied |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:57 PM |
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a hate crime is a civil right violation |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 06:08 PM |
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Correct, that's why we don't need more legislation. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:09 PM |
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except gays aren't covered under those laws |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 06:18 PM |
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Those laws are unnecessary as well. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:21 PM |
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Too bad most people don't think that |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 06:24 PM |
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What is to be gained by these laws? |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:31 PM |
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These laws have cut down on lynchings of African Americans |
gollygee |
Jun-20-07 06:32 PM |
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Lynchings stopped well before hate crime legistlation |
Solo_in_MD |
Jun-20-07 06:43 PM |
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But not incidents of being dragged behind a redneck pickup truck. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:15 PM |
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Thats quite a flaming non-sequiter you have there |
Solo_in_MD |
Jun-20-07 09:07 PM |
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They have life imprisonment, and they have tried to get that changed already |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 09:32 PM |
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I think education has done more |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:44 PM |
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Well, let's just all wait until you educate the offending minority |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:17 PM |
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among other things it would send a message |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 06:37 PM |
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How would that be a different message |
Solo_in_MD |
Jun-20-07 06:45 PM |
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How many white men are murdered because they are white men? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:18 PM |
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There are no accurate statistics on hate crimes |
Solo_in_MD |
Jun-20-07 09:00 PM |
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Isn't a hate crime itself rather capriciously applied? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 09:44 PM |
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If someone needs to hear that |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:52 PM |
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Nor will any pretense of education while hundreds of |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:53 PM |
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What specifically is going to be lost? The gay panic defense? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:54 PM |
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"gay panic defense" IS bullshit. But how does this |
MNDemNY |
Jun-21-07 08:31 AM |
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Really? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 06:36 PM |
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Then the fight should be taken there. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:48 PM |
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Let's tell the thousands of future victims that maybe someday |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 09:09 PM |
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On a side note... |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:23 PM |
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You sure seem real trusting of the status quo |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:12 PM |
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And also, I don't think those laws protect anything. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:00 PM |
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Concur |
Solo_in_MD |
Jun-20-07 06:42 PM |
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Yep |
cgrindley |
Jun-20-07 10:03 PM |
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What kind of "freedom of thought?" |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:13 PM |
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That's just ridiculous |
cgrindley |
Jun-20-07 10:23 PM |
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How, exactly, is the motive criminalized? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:42 PM |
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Ummm... my thoughts won't be criminalized |
cgrindley |
Jun-20-07 10:54 PM |
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Yes I do. Because I have not seen anything which indicates |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 11:33 PM |
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I can totally respect your views and for the most part agree |
cgrindley |
Jun-21-07 08:26 AM |
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YES |
MNDemNY |
Jun-21-07 08:33 AM |
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K&R |
gollygee |
Jun-20-07 05:26 PM |
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The Right-Wing Hates Gays |
ronhardy |
Jun-20-07 05:34 PM |
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I don't doubt that, but what does that have to do with this? |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 06:03 PM |
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That's right. . .and we have to protect the Right's entitlement to hate |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 09:03 PM |
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We need to fix our justice system, not simply create bandaid laws. |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 05:45 PM |
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Right on. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 05:47 PM |
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One constitutional amendment |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 06:52 PM |
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Almost. |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 09:13 PM |
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We've tried that route in this country, and it hasn't worked. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 09:48 PM |
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We tried energy conservation, too. Should we not bother with it now? |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 10:17 PM |
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And doing NOTHING will not change the misapplication of the laws either. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:27 PM |
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I haven't suggested doing "NOTHING" yet. YOU are the one who keeps saying that. |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 10:59 PM |
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Terrorism was suggested in a Florida court case by the prosecutor |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 11:37 PM |
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The op seems blinded by rage. May he heal. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-21-07 08:35 AM |
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Hi, Year 3052! This is 2007! Can We Talk? |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 09:23 PM |
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Current laws aren't working so you think making more will? |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 09:26 PM |
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Got One, Thanks! Here's One for You: |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 09:35 PM |
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Apparently not to them. . .adding gay people is an outrage |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:01 PM |
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No, you didn't get it. |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 10:04 PM |
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When you get around to using the laws to protect all citizens, |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:22 PM |
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When did I tell "your people" to keep dying, or anything else for that matter? |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 10:40 PM |
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Do you have something to support that contention? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:52 PM |
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OK, when you want to stop distorting what I've said, maybe we'll talk. |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 11:06 PM |
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Couldn't Hurt |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 10:24 PM |
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How can you be more equal than "all citizens?" |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 10:48 PM |
#131 |
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Hate to Cut Things Short |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 11:06 PM |
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"All citizens" doesn't include the ones who one group claims is |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-21-07 12:36 AM |
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I suspect some of the passion on the other side is |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 11:12 PM |
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And why aren't those current laws working? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 09:59 PM |
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That wasn't my assertion, it the person I was responding to who said that. |
porphyrian |
Jun-20-07 10:12 PM |
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hahaha...but...but we have to protect their right to BELIEVE |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 09:58 PM |
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STILL, you're problem is with the JUSTICE SYSTEM, not the laws as written. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:49 PM |
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Another video link warning graphic language and very moving |
dsc |
Jun-20-07 06:07 PM |
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Just in case anyone needs a reminder why hate crimes legislation should be passed |
terrya |
Jun-20-07 06:12 PM |
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I hate to run, but I've got things to do. |
MNDemNY |
Jun-20-07 07:26 PM |
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If You're Against This Legislation, You're Against Equal Rights for Gays. PERIOD. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 07:48 PM |
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Exactly. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 08:22 PM |
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Sure is. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 09:55 PM |
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BULL FUCKING SHIT |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 09:54 PM |
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That's For Sure |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 09:59 PM |
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How do you know I'm not gay, black or Jewish? |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 10:01 PM |
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Oh, My Sweet Lamb |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 10:06 PM |
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Oh. I get it. So, you HATE white male Christians because they beat gays? |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 10:09 PM |
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I Don't Hate Groups. I Hate Individuals. And Carrot Cake. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 10:31 PM |
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It's not okay to kill ANY men. That's not unreasonable. And it's already LAW! |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 10:47 PM |
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Maybe that's so? |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-21-07 03:01 AM |
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You already have that special protection. It's in the law now. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-21-07 02:53 AM |
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When you start being targeted simply because you are a man |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-20-07 10:11 PM |
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You can make the same argument about ANY "class" of people. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 10:29 PM |
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I think I'm perfectly capable of expressing myself, thank you. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-21-07 02:40 AM |
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Now that I've let it go for a couple of posts... |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 10:18 PM |
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But the proposed laws DON'T create a special class of citizen. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 10:35 PM |
#126 |
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That is total nonsense. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 10:43 PM |
#129 |
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Sexual Orientation Covers Heterosexuality, Too. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-20-07 10:54 PM |
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If you're out walking in West Hollywood and ANYONE scratches you silly... |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 10:57 PM |
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Please address the point of your erroneous assertion of some "super gay-citizen" |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 11:00 PM |
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No can do. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:02 PM |
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The other poster pointed out, by example, your misconception that straight people wouldn't... |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 11:24 PM |
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Just the opposite...in the name of intellectual honesty, I am 100% right about the law. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:33 PM |
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BTW, is your world populated only by 97 pound twinks? |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:06 PM |
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WTF are you talking about? And WTF does that have to do with protection under the law? |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 11:20 PM |
#146 |
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So then, answer my question. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:38 PM |
#152 |
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I never said any such thing and this line of discussion is bizarre. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 11:56 PM |
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AS MUCH AS I HATE TO ADMIT IT?! That's ALL I've been saying! |
Atman |
Jun-21-07 12:00 AM |
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Ha! Nice try. Under the hate crimes laws too. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-21-07 12:05 AM |
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Okay, you've officially lost me. |
Atman |
Jun-21-07 12:11 AM |
#163 |
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Beside your name calling, can you address the point that the laws don't .... |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 10:56 PM |
#135 |
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Name calling? |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:01 PM |
#139 |
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LOL. Maybe they should take an equal amount of the money spent on anti-gay crime and burn it? |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 11:12 PM |
#145 |
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Jesus H. Christ! |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:26 PM |
#148 |
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Sorry. Like the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-20-07 11:38 PM |
#153 |
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You're just full of shit now, King. |
Atman |
Jun-20-07 11:55 PM |
#155 |
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Spare me the feigned indignation. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-21-07 12:03 AM |
#158 |
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No, you have just refused to acknowledge that I showed you. |
Atman |
Jun-21-07 12:10 AM |
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I didn't call you a fundie parrot. Stop waisting my time with that bullshit. |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-21-07 12:31 AM |
#164 |
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Uh....you have to be kidding. |
kevinbgoode |
Jun-21-07 03:24 AM |
#169 |
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Kick |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-20-07 10:02 PM |
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Hate crimes are the equivalent to community terrorism |
GeneCosta |
Jun-20-07 10:14 PM |
#116 |
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As someone who works in the criminal justice field, I am completely opposed |
peacebaby3 |
Jun-21-07 12:04 AM |
#159 |
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Do you want to post a reason or should we guess? n/t |
Kingshakabobo |
Jun-21-07 12:06 AM |
#161 |
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