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Wed Jun-20-07 03:34 PM
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| 41. I'm always intrigued by the claim that Congress doesn't represent the will of the majority |
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I have no doubt that COngress as a whole, and most members of Congress individually, don't represent the "will" of a majority of DU. But here's the rub. I think (indeed, I know) that I am more liberal than most, but not all, of the people with whom I work and associate socially. It is not a surprise to me that the percentage of people who describe themselves as "liberal" consistently is smaller than the percentage that desribes themselves as "conservative" and the percentage that describe themselves as "moderate" is greater than either of the other groups. Now, I think the moderate group tends to agree with my views more often than it would agree with the conservatives, but that there are clearly instances where my views are more liberal. And there are clearly people who are even more liberal/progressive/radical than me.
So when it comes down to it, I accept the notion that my vision and wishes aren't going to be reflected by my elected officials a lot of the time. For example, I proudly supported Jim Webb for Senate in my home state of Virginia. Am I more liberal than Jim Webb? Undoubtedly. Am I more liberal than most voters in the state of Virginia? Also undoubtedly. But holding my breath until I turn blue isn't going to change that nor is refusing to vote for the candidate whose views are closer to mine even if that candidates views diverge from mine on a number of issues.
During the Vietnam War, the right talked constantly about a "silent majority" that supported the war in the face of large scale public opposition. I find it ironic that some on the left insist on claiming that there is really a "silent majority" that agrees with them. The majority that matters is the one that stands up and is heard. If there is a big silent majority of progressive voices out there, I have to wonder why Dennis Kucinich is as far down in the polls as he is.
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| -If Bush-Cheney Can’t Be Impeached, Nobody Can |
babylonsister |
Jun-20-07 09:23 AM |
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I hate to say it, but they're not going to be impeached and I don't even |
deutsey |
Jun-20-07 09:34 AM |
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Exactly |
Generator |
Jun-20-07 06:43 PM |
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So you're willing to keep letting these criminals come back again and again... |
Independent_Liberal |
Jun-20-07 09:49 PM |
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Gosh, had I only known I was the one letting these criminals come back again and again |
deutsey |
Jun-21-07 07:54 AM |
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I'm just saying that we can't give up. |
Independent_Liberal |
Jun-21-07 09:26 AM |
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No, we can't give up, but there comes a point when a nation |
deutsey |
Jun-22-07 07:00 AM |
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Chief enabler - Madame Squeaker! |
partylessinOhio |
Jun-20-07 09:34 AM |
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I didn't realize that House Democrats needed her permission to voice support for impeachment |
onenote |
Jun-20-07 09:47 AM |
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Each member of congress should vote the will of the voters of the district |
partylessinOhio |
Jun-20-07 10:22 AM |
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and they can. Pelosi isn't stopping them. |
onenote |
Jun-20-07 10:31 AM |
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Pelosi stopped a Conyer's investigation -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-07 05:39 PM |
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nothing like shaking the hand of an enemy |
alyce douglas |
Jun-20-07 01:22 PM |
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Recommending |
Solly Mack |
Jun-20-07 09:51 AM |
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Wrong again! |
The Count |
Jun-20-07 09:57 AM |
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Keep validating that fear based frame |
Moochy |
Jun-20-07 11:00 AM |
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It's not a meme it's a reality. IOKIYAAR. Where have you been? |
The Count |
Jun-20-07 01:21 PM |
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That's a lie and you know it. Quit getting sucked in by that meme. |
Independent_Liberal |
Jun-20-07 09:43 PM |
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What? You don't believe that a Dem instead of Bush would have been impeached already? |
The Count |
Jun-20-07 10:10 PM |
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What I'm trying to say is... |
Independent_Liberal |
Jun-20-07 10:19 PM |
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By Jove I believe you've got it! CONGRESS = fraternity that adores Corporate America. n/t |
ShortnFiery |
Jun-20-07 10:30 AM |
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It's about the money. |
quantessd |
Jun-20-07 03:07 PM |
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I agree! |
Hubert Flottz |
Jun-20-07 10:34 AM |
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It's not about how worthy for impeachment they are [very!], but about the numbers... |
MookieWilson |
Jun-20-07 10:53 AM |
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When Tony Snow stands up there and tell us |
ginnyinWI |
Jun-20-07 10:58 AM |
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"If laws can be broken at will, there is no law." |
Philosoraptor |
Jun-20-07 11:02 AM |
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It seems the constitution being shedded |
blues90 |
Jun-20-07 12:40 PM |
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Not broken, just ignored. |
saddlesore |
Jun-20-07 02:15 PM |
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Better get used to it....nothing will be done for the betterment |
snappyturtle |
Jun-20-07 11:10 AM |
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No we don't get used to it. We fight and raise hell until they can no longer ignore us. |
Independent_Liberal |
Jun-21-07 08:40 PM |
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sad but true |
ryanus |
Jun-20-07 11:21 AM |
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It's just as well. Impeachment without conviction is worse than nothing n/t |
GOTV |
Jun-20-07 11:26 AM |
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I disagree: SOME taking a stand > NONE taking a stand. |
jtrockville |
Jun-20-07 11:44 AM |
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Some people taking ineffective action < Noone taking ineffective action. I'm for results... |
GOTV |
Jun-20-07 11:53 AM |
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What results do you get when you do nothing? |
jtrockville |
Jun-20-07 03:29 PM |
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Ah ha! Another person who thinks the alternative to "impeach now" is to do nothing... |
GOTV |
Jun-20-07 03:47 PM |
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What are YOU doing to get results? If it's nothing, shame on you! |
jtrockville |
Jun-20-07 09:43 PM |
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Impeachment should not be a fucking choice in these matters! |
lonestarnot |
Jun-20-07 11:36 AM |
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Where does the Constitution "mandate" impeachment. |
onenote |
Jun-20-07 02:29 PM |
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Didn't you and I already go over that? |
Rosemary2205 |
Jun-20-07 02:48 PM |
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There's No Mandate Nor High Treason. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-20-07 03:43 PM |
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Going to war based on a pack of lies is high treason. |
lonestarnot |
Jun-21-07 09:06 AM |
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No It Isn't. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-21-07 08:44 PM |
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The section you highlighted says it all |
DeeDeeNY |
Jun-20-07 12:40 PM |
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I truly don't understand... |
Highway61 |
Jun-20-07 01:05 PM |
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Yes, you are missing a few things... |
GOTV |
Jun-20-07 02:06 PM |
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Allow me to elaborate... |
Aya Reiko |
Jun-20-07 02:22 PM |
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Our system of checks and balances is totally broken. |
Beelzebud |
Jun-20-07 01:06 PM |
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so are we totally broken, unless we turn the tables on these SOB's |
alyce douglas |
Jun-20-07 01:25 PM |
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Absolutely |
CrazyForKucinich |
Jun-20-07 02:34 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-20-07 02:33 PM |
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Such a shame |
SaneInSC |
Jun-20-07 02:59 PM |
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what makes you think you'd get better representation with term limits? |
onenote |
Jun-20-07 03:03 PM |
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Touche! Best anti-term-limit-comeback ever. n/t |
GOTV |
Jun-20-07 03:05 PM |
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Not necessarily |
SaneInSC |
Jun-20-07 03:22 PM |
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I'm always intrigued by the claim that Congress doesn't represent the will of the majority |
onenote |
Jun-20-07 03:34 PM |
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I SAID THE SAME DAMN THING 3MOS AGO SO THE THOUGHT IS OCCURRING TO EVERYONE |
bjobotts |
Jun-20-07 03:24 PM |
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And I'll ask again -- How is Pelosi keeping members from signing onto the Cheney impeachment |
onenote |
Jun-20-07 03:38 PM |
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Because Pelosi sets the agenda, she is the overall coordinator |
bjobotts |
Jun-20-07 11:32 PM |
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Kind Of A False Premise From The Author: It Should Be 'Nobody Can When There Isn't A Super Majority' |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-20-07 03:40 PM |
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Should be "nobody can" unless they're Democrat |
Alpharetta |
Jun-20-07 04:04 PM |
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partisan majority impeached clinton |
thegreatcause2 |
Jun-20-07 08:27 PM |
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the majority media impeached Clinton |
Alpharetta |
Jun-20-07 09:57 PM |
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Nominated. |
H2O Man |
Jun-20-07 03:46 PM |
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Everyday Congress enables these criminals they are accomplices |
RestoreGore |
Jun-20-07 04:34 PM |
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Bushco must have dirt on quite a few of the congress members |
Middle finga |
Jun-20-07 05:57 PM |
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I wouldn't be surprised at all n/t |
RestoreGore |
Jun-20-07 10:04 PM |
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Both the republican and democrat elite are together in the cabal nt |
conspirator |
Jun-20-07 04:38 PM |
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After 200+ yrs, the score 2 impeachments 0 removals. |
CK_John |
Jun-20-07 05:35 PM |
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nope n/t |
H2O Man |
Jun-20-07 08:22 PM |
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actually.. |
ananda |
Jun-20-07 05:40 PM |
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Where is Barbara Jordan when we need her???? |
wizstars |
Jun-20-07 06:20 PM |
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there is no point in even having an impeachment option |
leftofthedial |
Jun-20-07 06:26 PM |
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I will vote for... |
Maryland Liberal |
Jun-20-07 08:22 PM |
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Clinton can. It's the ultimate IOKIYAR. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-20-07 08:24 PM |
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Once again, you're getting sucked in by that lie. |
Independent_Liberal |
Jun-20-07 09:45 PM |
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What's with this obsession with memes - when facts are presented to you? |
The Count |
Jun-20-07 10:13 PM |
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Read my response above. #74 |
Independent_Liberal |
Jun-20-07 10:21 PM |
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Complicity ... |
Everybody |
Jun-20-07 10:11 PM |
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Tell It Sister, TELL IT !!! - K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Jun-20-07 10:58 PM |
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the full exposure and prosecution of bush/cheney, inc.... |
tomp |
Jun-21-07 12:58 AM |
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awesome thanks for posting! nt |
jarnocan |
Jun-21-07 06:52 AM |
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