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41. I'm always intrigued by the claim that Congress doesn't represent the will of the majority
I have no doubt that COngress as a whole, and most members of Congress individually, don't represent the "will" of a majority of DU. But here's the rub. I think (indeed, I know) that I am more liberal than most, but not all, of the people with whom I work and associate socially. It is not a surprise to me that the percentage of people who describe themselves as "liberal" consistently is smaller than the percentage that desribes themselves as "conservative" and the percentage that describe themselves as "moderate" is greater than either of the other groups. Now, I think the moderate group tends to agree with my views more often than it would agree with the conservatives, but that there are clearly instances where my views are more liberal. And there are clearly people who are even more liberal/progressive/radical than me.

So when it comes down to it, I accept the notion that my vision and wishes aren't going to be reflected by my elected officials a lot of the time. For example, I proudly supported Jim Webb for Senate in my home state of Virginia. Am I more liberal than Jim Webb? Undoubtedly. Am I more liberal than most voters in the state of Virginia? Also undoubtedly. But holding my breath until I turn blue isn't going to change that nor is refusing to vote for the candidate whose views are closer to mine even if that candidates views diverge from mine on a number of issues.

During the Vietnam War, the right talked constantly about a "silent majority" that supported the war in the face of large scale public opposition. I find it ironic that some on the left insist on claiming that there is really a "silent majority" that agrees with them. The majority that matters is the one that stands up and is heard. If there is a big silent majority of progressive voices out there, I have to wonder why Dennis Kucinich is as far down in the polls as he is.
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  -If Bush-Cheney Can’t Be Impeached, Nobody Can babylonsister  Jun-20-07 09:23 AM   #0 
  - I hate to say it, but they're not going to be impeached and I don't even  deutsey   Jun-20-07 09:34 AM   #1 
  - Exactly  Generator   Jun-20-07 06:43 PM   #56 
  - So you're willing to keep letting these criminals come back again and again...  Independent_Liberal   Jun-20-07 09:49 PM   #64 
     - Gosh, had I only known I was the one letting these criminals come back again and again  deutsey   Jun-21-07 07:54 AM   #76 
        - I'm just saying that we can't give up.  Independent_Liberal   Jun-21-07 09:26 AM   #78 
           - No, we can't give up, but there comes a point when a nation  deutsey   Jun-22-07 07:00 AM   #81 
  - Chief enabler - Madame Squeaker!  partylessinOhio   Jun-20-07 09:34 AM   #2 
  - I didn't realize that House Democrats needed her permission to voice support for impeachment  onenote   Jun-20-07 09:47 AM   #3 
  - Each member of congress should vote the will of the voters of the district  partylessinOhio   Jun-20-07 10:22 AM   #6 
  - and they can. Pelosi isn't stopping them.  onenote   Jun-20-07 10:31 AM   #8 
  - Pelosi stopped a Conyer's investigation --  defendandprotect   Jun-20-07 05:39 PM   #51 
  - nothing like shaking the hand of an enemy  alyce douglas   Jun-20-07 01:22 PM   #25 
  - Recommending  Solly Mack   Jun-20-07 09:51 AM   #4 
  - Wrong again!  The Count   Jun-20-07 09:57 AM   #5 
  - Keep validating that fear based frame  Moochy   Jun-20-07 11:00 AM   #12 
     - It's not a meme it's a reality. IOKIYAAR. Where have you been?  The Count   Jun-20-07 01:21 PM   #24 
        - That's a lie and you know it. Quit getting sucked in by that meme.  Independent_Liberal   Jun-20-07 09:43 PM   #62 
           - What? You don't believe that a Dem instead of Bush would have been impeached already?  The Count   Jun-20-07 10:10 PM   #67 
              - What I'm trying to say is...  Independent_Liberal   Jun-20-07 10:19 PM   #70 
  - By Jove I believe you've got it! CONGRESS = fraternity that adores Corporate America. n/t  ShortnFiery   Jun-20-07 10:30 AM   #7 
  - It's about the money.  quantessd   Jun-20-07 03:07 PM   #37 
  - I agree!  Hubert Flottz   Jun-20-07 10:34 AM   #9 
  - It's not about how worthy for impeachment they are [very!], but about the numbers...  MookieWilson   Jun-20-07 10:53 AM   #10 
  - When Tony Snow stands up there and tell us  ginnyinWI   Jun-20-07 10:58 AM   #11 
  - "If laws can be broken at will, there is no law."  Philosoraptor   Jun-20-07 11:02 AM   #13 
  - It seems the constitution being shedded  blues90   Jun-20-07 12:40 PM   #20 
  - Not broken, just ignored.  saddlesore   Jun-20-07 02:15 PM   #28 
  - Better get used to it....nothing will be done for the betterment  snappyturtle   Jun-20-07 11:10 AM   #14 
  - No we don't get used to it. We fight and raise hell until they can no longer ignore us.  Independent_Liberal   Jun-21-07 08:40 PM   #79 
  - sad but true  ryanus   Jun-20-07 11:21 AM   #15 
  - It's just as well. Impeachment without conviction is worse than nothing n/t  GOTV   Jun-20-07 11:26 AM   #16 
  - I disagree: SOME taking a stand > NONE taking a stand.  jtrockville   Jun-20-07 11:44 AM   #18 
     - Some people taking ineffective action < Noone taking ineffective action. I'm for results...  GOTV   Jun-20-07 11:53 AM   #19 
        - What results do you get when you do nothing?  jtrockville   Jun-20-07 03:29 PM   #40 
           - Ah ha! Another person who thinks the alternative to "impeach now" is to do nothing...  GOTV   Jun-20-07 03:47 PM   #46 
              - What are YOU doing to get results? If it's nothing, shame on you!  jtrockville   Jun-20-07 09:43 PM   #61 
  - Impeachment should not be a fucking choice in these matters!  lonestarnot   Jun-20-07 11:36 AM   #17 
  - Where does the Constitution "mandate" impeachment.  onenote   Jun-20-07 02:29 PM   #30 
  - Didn't you and I already go over that?  Rosemary2205   Jun-20-07 02:48 PM   #33 
  - There's No Mandate Nor High Treason.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-20-07 03:43 PM   #44 
     - Going to war based on a pack of lies is high treason.  lonestarnot   Jun-21-07 09:06 AM   #77 
        - No It Isn't.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-21-07 08:44 PM   #80 
  - The section you highlighted says it all  DeeDeeNY   Jun-20-07 12:40 PM   #21 
  - I truly don't understand...  Highway61   Jun-20-07 01:05 PM   #22 
  - Yes, you are missing a few things...  GOTV   Jun-20-07 02:06 PM   #27 
     - Allow me to elaborate...  Aya Reiko   Jun-20-07 02:22 PM   #29 
  - Our system of checks and balances is totally broken.  Beelzebud   Jun-20-07 01:06 PM   #23 
  - so are we totally broken, unless we turn the tables on these SOB's  alyce douglas   Jun-20-07 01:25 PM   #26 
  - Absolutely  CrazyForKucinich   Jun-20-07 02:34 PM   #32 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-20-07 02:33 PM   #31 
  - Such a shame  SaneInSC   Jun-20-07 02:59 PM   #34 
  - what makes you think you'd get better representation with term limits?  onenote   Jun-20-07 03:03 PM   #35 
     - Touche! Best anti-term-limit-comeback ever. n/t  GOTV   Jun-20-07 03:05 PM   #36 
     - Not necessarily  SaneInSC   Jun-20-07 03:22 PM   #38 
        - I'm always intrigued by the claim that Congress doesn't represent the will of the majority  onenote   Jun-20-07 03:34 PM   #41 
  - I SAID THE SAME DAMN THING 3MOS AGO SO THE THOUGHT IS OCCURRING TO EVERYONE  bjobotts   Jun-20-07 03:24 PM   #39 
  - And I'll ask again -- How is Pelosi keeping members from signing onto the Cheney impeachment  onenote   Jun-20-07 03:38 PM   #42 
     - Because Pelosi sets the agenda, she is the overall coordinator  bjobotts   Jun-20-07 11:32 PM   #73 
  - Kind Of A False Premise From The Author: It Should Be 'Nobody Can When There Isn't A Super Majority'  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-20-07 03:40 PM   #43 
  - Should be "nobody can" unless they're Democrat  Alpharetta   Jun-20-07 04:04 PM   #47 
     - partisan majority impeached clinton  thegreatcause2   Jun-20-07 08:27 PM   #60 
        - the majority media impeached Clinton  Alpharetta   Jun-20-07 09:57 PM   #65 
  - Nominated.  H2O Man   Jun-20-07 03:46 PM   #45 
  - Everyday Congress enables these criminals they are accomplices  RestoreGore   Jun-20-07 04:34 PM   #48 
  - Bushco must have dirt on quite a few of the congress members  Middle finga   Jun-20-07 05:57 PM   #53 
     - I wouldn't be surprised at all n/t  RestoreGore   Jun-20-07 10:04 PM   #66 
  - Both the republican and democrat elite are together in the cabal nt  conspirator   Jun-20-07 04:38 PM   #49 
  - After 200+ yrs, the score 2 impeachments 0 removals.  CK_John   Jun-20-07 05:35 PM   #50 
  - nope n/t  H2O Man   Jun-20-07 08:22 PM   #58 
  - actually..  ananda   Jun-20-07 05:40 PM   #52 
  - Where is Barbara Jordan when we need her????  wizstars   Jun-20-07 06:20 PM   #54 
  - there is no point in even having an impeachment option  leftofthedial   Jun-20-07 06:26 PM   #55 
  - I will vote for...  Maryland Liberal   Jun-20-07 08:22 PM   #57 
  - Clinton can. It's the ultimate IOKIYAR.  BlooInBloo   Jun-20-07 08:24 PM   #59 
  - Once again, you're getting sucked in by that lie.  Independent_Liberal   Jun-20-07 09:45 PM   #63 
     - What's with this obsession with memes - when facts are presented to you?  The Count   Jun-20-07 10:13 PM   #69 
        - Read my response above. #74  Independent_Liberal   Jun-20-07 10:21 PM   #71 
  - Complicity ...  Everybody   Jun-20-07 10:11 PM   #68 
  - Tell It Sister, TELL IT !!! - K & R !!!  WillyT   Jun-20-07 10:58 PM   #72 
  - the full exposure and prosecution of bush/cheney, inc....  tomp   Jun-21-07 12:58 AM   #74 
  - awesome thanks for posting! nt  jarnocan   Jun-21-07 06:52 AM   #75 
 

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