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10. So Nader's 97,000 votes in Florida had no impact on the outcome whatsoever?
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  -Nader was not the reason Gore "lost" lynyrd_skynyrd  Jun-18-07 08:47 PM   #0 
  - hmmmmm.....  Joe Fields   Jun-18-07 08:49 PM   #1 
  - What do you mean, lost?  IDemo   Jun-18-07 08:49 PM   #2 
  - Oh, the humanity  Steve_DeShazer   Jun-18-07 08:50 PM   #3 
  - Anyone who loses their home state  Radical Activist   Jun-18-07 08:51 PM   #4 
  - Gore never blamed Nader.  onehandle   Jun-18-07 08:53 PM   #12 
  - Did Bush win Connecticut? n/t  kskiska   Jun-18-07 08:55 PM   #16 
  - TN had election fraud/irregularites also.  Lars39   Jun-18-07 08:57 PM   # 
  - As I remember .......NBC acttually called TN going to Gore  INdemo   Jun-18-07 09:26 PM   #45 
  - george bush lost his home country  bottomofthehill   Jun-18-07 10:10 PM   #69 
  - nicely said!  renate   Jun-19-07 03:01 PM   #151 
  - Given the political shift in Tennessee from the time that he was last elected Senator ...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 01:38 PM   #132 
  - not backed by reality?  Radical Activist   Jun-19-07 04:22 PM   #165 
  - except Rove called people saying Gore would take away all guns?  LSK   Jun-19-07 04:11 PM   #159 
     - That might not have worked  Radical Activist   Jun-19-07 04:21 PM   #164 
  - 537 of them out of 97,000 wouldn't have voted for Gore in Florida?  onehandle   Jun-18-07 08:51 PM   #5 
  - None. NONE!!!  BlooInBloo   Jun-18-07 08:52 PM   #8 
  - ...  Patsy Stone   Jun-18-07 08:57 PM   #20 
  - huh?  benddem   Jun-18-07 09:12 PM   #37 
  - Florida was certified with a +537 vote margin in 2000 for Bush.  onehandle   Jun-18-07 09:28 PM   #49 
  - Those numbers are swamped by the 180K uncounted ballots which gave Gore a 77K margin  struggle4progress   Jun-19-07 11:02 AM   #119 
  - A net of +537 for Gore over Bush, but your point is correct.  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 01:41 PM   #133 
  - But even if he was, it's ok, because there's no difference between them!  BlooInBloo   Jun-18-07 08:52 PM   #6 
  - Get the quote right!!!!!!!!!!  DancingBear   Jun-18-07 09:02 PM   #28 
  - No difference between Democrats & Republicans, for Nader.  BlooInBloo   Jun-18-07 09:03 PM   #29 
  - Gee, thanks for researching it  DancingBear   Jun-18-07 09:06 PM   #32 
     - I understand what you're saying.  NYC   Jun-18-07 10:32 PM   #81 
  - A Distinction Without A Difference  ProfessorGAC   Jun-19-07 11:11 AM   #120 
  - And Nader was wrong in saying "Not enough difference", as well...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 01:50 PM   #135 
  - Nice Try, But Your Attempts At Altering The Reality Of His Words Ain't Gonna Work. Explain This:  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-19-07 04:21 PM   #163 
  - How's Lieberman working out for the dems now?  beardown   Jun-18-07 09:43 PM   # 
     - I'm second to none in my excoriating of the Connecticut electorate.  BlooInBloo   Jun-18-07 09:54 PM   #61 
     - I'll call your "Lieberman one heartbeat away" ...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 01:55 PM   #136 
  - Plus the supreme court, plus both sides' handling of the issue, plus Gore's own impotent campaign...  HypnoToad   Jun-18-07 08:52 PM   #7 
  - Nader will only run in the next zombie movie by Tarantino. Perhaps.  firefox_fan   Jun-18-07 08:52 PM   #9 
  - Zombies with Glocks. Ooh, now there's a movie I want to see.  Gregorian   Jun-18-07 08:56 PM   #19 
     - Did you see Grindhouse? And his previous zombie movie?  firefox_fan   Jun-18-07 09:17 PM   #40 
        - To be fair  TheModernTerrorist   Jun-18-07 09:57 PM   #63 
           - Oh, right, it was a vampire movie...  firefox_fan   Jun-18-07 10:23 PM   #76 
              - yeah?  TheModernTerrorist   Jun-18-07 10:43 PM   #83 
              - Ahahah! Nothing better than a Nader thread to chat about vampires!  firefox_fan   Jun-18-07 11:03 PM   #89 
              - The books are better.  tblue37   Jun-18-07 10:50 PM   #85 
                 - I just ordered all 3 of them...  firefox_fan   Jun-18-07 11:01 PM   #88 
                    - I fixed my earlier post.  tblue37   Jun-18-07 11:51 PM   #93 
  - So Nader's 97,000 votes in Florida had no impact on the outcome whatsoever?  bob_weaver   Jun-18-07 08:53 PM   #10 
  - No  lynyrd_skynyrd   Jun-18-07 08:56 PM   #18 
  - What gives you the authority to speak for those "97,000 people"?  uppityperson   Jun-18-07 08:57 PM   #21 
  - What gives anyone the right to think otherwise?  DancingBear   Jun-18-07 09:05 PM   #30 
     - We probably all know people who fit into these choices...  uppityperson   Jun-18-07 09:31 PM   #51 
  - That's baseless speculation.  mondo joe   Jun-18-07 08:58 PM   #23 
  - A ludicrous suggestion  tritsofme   Jun-18-07 09:00 PM   #24 
  - I just don't see why...  lynyrd_skynyrd   Jun-18-07 09:11 PM   #35 
     - I'm sure it was a protest vote for most people.  tritsofme   Jun-18-07 09:20 PM   #43 
     - usually I vote for Senator, Representative, governor, state reps, and  hfojvt   Jun-18-07 09:32 PM   #52 
     - You missed the point.  uppityperson   Jun-18-07 09:46 PM   #60 
     - It was a protest vote for me  NotGonnaTakeIt   Jun-19-07 12:30 AM   #95 
     - Not bothered to vote? That's irresponsible  CreekDog   Jun-19-07 11:26 AM   #122 
     - Re: the mythology of "not voting"  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:11 PM   #138 
        - Well, I'm sick of "settling" for candidates.  NotGonnaTakeIt   Jun-19-07 04:19 PM   #162 
     - Just one flaw in your thinking is that NONE of those 97,000 voters ...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:06 PM   #137 
  - Lame. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-18-07 09:06 PM   #31 
  - dude - the man I sleep next to evey night would have voted for Gore if Nadar wasn't on the ballot.  ourbluenation   Jun-18-07 09:28 PM   #48 
  - Do you have research data to back up those statemtnts?  bob_weaver   Jun-18-07 09:41 PM   #58 
  - that is one of the most nonsensical things I have read...  BeyondThePale   Jun-18-07 09:59 PM   #64 
  - Please, to say that none of them would have bothered to vote  Downtown Hound   Jun-19-07 05:47 AM   #105 
  - Gore recieved the most votes in FL  baldguy   Jun-19-07 01:01 PM   #131 
  - Did you forget the quotes around "lost" ?  Merlot   Jun-18-07 08:53 PM   #11 
  - Wow. A mind reader. On DU. cool.  uppityperson   Jun-18-07 08:53 PM   #13 
  - Gore himself takes some of the blame. He recently said it was his failure to attract more voters.  Selatius   Jun-18-07 08:53 PM   #14 
  - True, AND Gore Won, He Did Not Lose  mntleo2   Jun-18-07 08:55 PM   #15 
  - They voted for Kerry in Oregon in 2004  sandnsea   Jun-18-07 08:55 PM   #17 
  - And Gore in 2000  Steve_DeShazer   Jun-18-07 09:01 PM   #26 
     - I knew plenty of people who vote Nader in Boulder Colorado in 2000  Crunchy Frog   Jun-18-07 09:36 PM   #55 
  - I don't understand why you are posting this right now.  Olney Blue   Jun-18-07 08:58 PM   #22 
  - Because of OMC's thread.  BlooInBloo   Jun-18-07 09:01 PM   #27 
     - Funniest one of the evening  DancingBear   Jun-18-07 09:09 PM   #33 
  - There was no excuse to vote for Nader. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-18-07 09:01 PM   #25 
  - There's no excuse to vote for Hillary either  DancingBear   Jun-18-07 09:10 PM   #34 
     - Here's one:  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-18-07 09:16 PM   #39 
     - So let me get this straight  DancingBear   Jun-19-07 05:03 AM   #102 
        - If you want to vote for someone who has no chance of winning, sure.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-19-07 08:55 AM   #113 
           - Respectfully, baloney  DancingBear   Jun-19-07 11:26 AM   #121 
              - No, I vote for people because they share most or all of my positions.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-19-07 11:35 AM   #124 
              - See all the change so far in D.C.?  DancingBear   Jun-19-07 12:52 PM   #127 
                 - How does voting 3rd party begin to get people's government back?  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-19-07 01:01 PM   #130 
                 - We're FIVE months in to a ONE VOTE Democratic majority.  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:29 PM   #144 
                 - Silly me, I thought they would actually take a stand against the war  DancingBear   Jun-19-07 04:06 PM   #157 
                 - Okay, how about an increase in the federal minimum wage?  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:30 PM   #145 
              - Common Sense Reasoning Would Dictate You're Wrong Here. By Voting For Some  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-19-07 11:39 AM   #125 
              - I get your point  DancingBear   Jun-19-07 04:13 PM   #160 
                 - I'm Saddened To See How Completely You Missed The Point. For Sake Of Redeeming Yourself, Would You  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-19-07 04:24 PM   #166 
              - Judge not ...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:23 PM   #140 
     - In the GE? Yes there is  sandnsea   Jun-18-07 09:17 PM   #41 
     - Details.  BlooInBloo   Jun-18-07 09:27 PM   #47 
     - yup.  uppityperson   Jun-18-07 09:32 PM   #53 
     - You can do that now  DancingBear   Jun-19-07 11:28 AM   #123 
     - Sadly, if the Left is dumb enough to make her their nominee in 2008 ...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:17 PM   #139 
  - Even with those Nader votes Gore would have won.  Forkboy   Jun-18-07 09:12 PM   #36 
  - Must have been a slow news day for some  IChing   Jun-18-07 09:16 PM   #38 
  - Ahahahaahah! True...  firefox_fan   Jun-18-07 09:17 PM   #42 
  - Nader is the Dem's red meat like Hillary is to the Right.  Forkboy   Jun-18-07 09:23 PM   #44 
  - Please note that this thread was started by someone claiming ...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:37 PM   #148 
  - YOU ARE WRONG!  ourbluenation   Jun-18-07 09:26 PM   #46 
  - Gore / Clark 08 n/t  ourbluenation   Jun-18-07 09:28 PM   #50 
  - I voted for Nader in 2000.  Crunchy Frog   Jun-18-07 09:33 PM   #54 
  - Not true. Many Nader supporters, including Michael Moore, have  pnwmom   Jun-18-07 09:36 PM   #56 
  - Nader Knew What He Was Doing  ribofunk   Jun-18-07 09:38 PM   #57 
  - to say he had no impact is f***ing ABSURD  Skittles   Jun-18-07 09:43 PM   #59 
  - Since you can't prove "intent"...how do you plan to backup the premise of your OP ?  MazeRat7   Jun-18-07 09:55 PM   #62 
  - Fuck Nader  trumad   Jun-18-07 10:00 PM   #65 
  - Indeed.  Blue-Jay   Jun-18-07 10:07 PM   #68 
  - agreed  bottomofthehill   Jun-18-07 10:12 PM   #71 
  - Exactly, but for a different reason  Spiffarino   Jun-18-07 10:13 PM   #73 
  - And FUCK Joe Lieberman,  pnorman   Jun-19-07 05:55 AM   #106 
  - Funny how people who had been close to Nader, implored him to reconsder running  still_one   Jun-18-07 10:03 PM   #66 
  - Well, I hope Nader's ego got a much needed boost, as a result...  firefox_fan   Jun-18-07 10:25 PM   #77 
  - why in the holy hell does this thread have 6 recs?  ourbluenation   Jun-18-07 10:06 PM   #67 
  - Gore didn't lose. Bush insiders rigged the election.  Spiffarino   Jun-18-07 10:11 PM   #70 
  - Without doing any further research, I suspect it's because 537 net votes ...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 02:58 PM   #150 
  - I thought Gore "lost" because Bush stole the election. nt  ryanus   Jun-18-07 10:12 PM   #72 
  - I would have voted for Gore if Nader hadn't run  Chico Man   Jun-18-07 10:18 PM   #74 
  - Seems like ancient history  LittleClarkie   Jun-18-07 10:22 PM   #75 
  - What if Nader had said, "Vote for Gore"?  L. Coyote   Jun-18-07 10:26 PM   #78 
  - I trust the exit polls over your analysis with no evidence to support it  Hippo_Tron   Jun-18-07 10:27 PM   #79 
  - Exit polls settle it?  creeksneakers2   Jun-18-07 10:29 PM   #80 
  - So, Michael Moore wouldn't have voted?  Canuckistanian   Jun-18-07 10:42 PM   #82 
  - what, you don't remember all the vote traders?  Hamlette   Jun-18-07 10:44 PM   #84 
  - Nader was not "the" reason Gore lost, but he certainly was one of the reasons.  elocs   Jun-18-07 10:52 PM   #86 
  - Anyone who blames Nader must blame Buchanan too  magellan   Jun-18-07 10:59 PM   #87 
  - Doonesbury. Day before election:  Hissyspit   Jun-18-07 11:03 PM   #90 
  - 2000, 2004 -- and even 2006 are in question . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-18-07 11:06 PM   #91 
  - some people voted Bush because Nader lied and said there was no difference  JI7   Jun-18-07 11:14 PM   #92 
  - Moreover, how many people did Nader talk out of voting for Gore with his "they are the same" BS  ComerPerro   Jun-19-07 02:35 PM   #147 
  - And, of course, any one who mentions Nader  zalinda   Jun-19-07 12:21 AM   #94 
  - I just love posts like yours  uppityperson   Jun-19-07 12:41 AM   #97 
     - It's not like zalinda's one additional post significantly shifted the message count.  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 03:02 PM   #152 
  - Gore didn't lose! The republicans stole the election!  EOO   Jun-19-07 12:35 AM   #96 
  - Nader himself has crunched the numbers and he doesn't look good  Jim Lane   Jun-19-07 02:49 AM   #98 
  - The Election Was Stolen.  TheWatcher   Jun-19-07 03:10 AM   #99 
  - Not So - My Mom in Florida was one of those who voted for Nader and would have voted for Gore had  Pachamama   Jun-19-07 03:25 AM   #100 
  - It should never have been close enough for them to steal it.  alphafemale   Jun-19-07 03:32 AM   #101 
  - of course not.  KG   Jun-19-07 05:29 AM   #103 
  - Nader was not the only factor  Downtown Hound   Jun-19-07 05:32 AM   #104 
  - Gore himself said so  malaise   Jun-19-07 06:02 AM   #107 
  - Disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of voters, the unprecedented SCOTUS intervention,  deutsey   Jun-19-07 06:09 AM   #108 
  - Yes, those and many other factors...  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 03:11 PM   #153 
     - Sorry, don't see it.  deutsey   Jun-19-07 04:10 PM   #158 
  - Repeating That To Yourself Won't Make The Guilt For Voting For Him Go Away.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-19-07 06:15 AM   #109 
  - But he's certainly one of them. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Jun-19-07 08:01 AM   #110 
  - If it's any consolation  NeedleCast   Jun-19-07 08:35 AM   #111 
  - Maybe not THE reason, but it was A reason...  Virginia Dare   Jun-19-07 08:41 AM   #112 
  - Virtually every 2000 election researcher wills say you are wrong... in fact he was the MAIN factor  JCMach1   Jun-19-07 08:58 AM   #114 
  - What a load. You are ridiculously incorrect. nm  dicksteele   Jun-19-07 09:07 AM   #115 
  - It's the "moderates" who voted for Bush that swung the election.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-19-07 09:17 AM   #116 
  - Agreed. It's the Nader VOTERS to blame  Lil Missy   Jun-19-07 10:02 AM   #117 
  - Ha! Good one... n/t  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 03:12 PM   #154 
  - "The people who voted for Nader wouldn't have voted at all had Nader not run."  WinkyDink   Jun-19-07 10:03 AM   #118 
  - Of course Nader was not the reason for the Bush selection.  LWolf   Jun-19-07 12:02 PM   #126 
  - "The frantic, pathetic urge to go on the Nader attack..."  krkaufman   Jun-19-07 03:16 PM   #156 
     - Since he had no decisive effect,  LWolf   Jun-19-07 06:05 PM   #170 
  - Nader was one of many factors, ALL of which affected the outcome.  Orsino   Jun-19-07 12:57 PM   #128 
  - We Tend To Overintellectualize And Overanalyze Things On This Board....  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-19-07 01:00 PM   #129 
  - Ooo, you're gonna get it from the Nader Haters...  porphyrian   Jun-19-07 01:48 PM   #134 
  - The reason was because Al Gore championed the Internet.  Uncle Joe   Jun-19-07 02:24 PM   #141 
  - Election fraud was the real reason  AnnieBW   Jun-19-07 02:25 PM   #142 
  - I believe that Nader took away votes from Gore in states where it really mattered.  Sapere aude   Jun-19-07 02:27 PM   #143 
  - So I guess I can offer anecdotal evidence as a rebuttal since that's all you have anyway  ComerPerro   Jun-19-07 02:31 PM   #146 
  - You had me in agreement until this statement  wryter2000   Jun-19-07 02:53 PM   #149 
  - Nader was A reason, not THE reason.  Alexander   Jun-19-07 03:14 PM   #155 
  - Gore Lost?  dogday   Jun-19-07 04:14 PM   #161 
  - I had a friend who gave me an unsolicited apology for voting for Nader.  ejbr   Jun-19-07 04:32 PM   #167 
  - did too  leftofthedial   Jun-19-07 04:34 PM   #168 
  - good post. won't change the whiners' minds, though. nt  HardRocker05   Jun-19-07 05:50 PM   #169 
 

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