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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:41 AM
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36. So if I follow that logic
If I'm having a hard time feeding my family it would be OK to swing by your place and clean you out when you're not there?
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  -New Immigration Bill has provisions to grant legal status to the 12 million L. Coyote  Jun-15-07 01:49 PM   #0 
  - The Dems should be fighting for complete amnesty.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-15-07 01:52 PM   #1 
  - I support Complete Amnesty also  Madspirit   Jun-15-07 04:00 PM   #15 
  - If they are not allowed to work illegally, they will go somewhere else, not?  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 05:08 PM   #24 
  - blabity blabity blah  Madspirit   Jun-15-07 05:11 PM   #25 
  - Hello. It is a crime to enter the United States without a visa.  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 11:29 PM   #30 
  - Nearly half of the population of the U.S. has knowingly violated marijuana laws  Telly Savalas   Jun-16-07 12:03 AM   #32 
  - So if I follow that logic  Jim Warren   Jun-16-07 01:41 AM   #36 
     - Do I hear crickets? nt  mycritters2   Jun-16-07 08:12 PM   #89 
     - You're moving the goalposts.  Telly Savalas   Jun-17-07 10:26 AM   #120 
        - Of course it.s bullshit  Jim Warren   Jun-18-07 01:01 AM   #136 
        - U: "and you Nativists know it." Isn't name calling is the last resort of failed argumentation.  L. Coyote   Jun-20-07 12:00 AM   #150 
  - blabity blabity blah  Jim Warren   Jun-16-07 01:32 AM   #35 
  - It's a civil offense  proud2Blib   Jun-16-07 01:46 AM   #37 
  - As is treason........nt  Jim Warren   Jun-16-07 01:55 AM   #38 
     - It's more than a stretch to compare treeason  proud2Blib   Jun-16-07 02:59 AM   #39 
        - I don't think so.  mycritters2   Jun-16-07 08:13 PM   #90 
  - You're right!  LanternWaste   Jun-18-07 01:35 PM   #144 
  - Actually, it is not a crime  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-19-07 08:40 AM   #149 
  - Harboring criminals is illegal also. I guess a little jail time won't hurt you.  dkofos   Jun-16-07 03:48 PM   #67 
     - Yea, but Madspirit won't go to hell for not helping the least as you will...  pingzing58   Jun-17-07 01:55 AM   #107 
        - What? Oh...... that's right  Jim Warren   Jun-17-07 02:42 AM   #110 
        - lol  pingzing58   Jun-17-07 02:43 AM   #111 
        - Don't believe in hell.  dkofos   Jun-17-07 08:31 AM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-07 02:34 AM   #109 
     - undercriminalization too  mema42   Jun-17-07 09:28 AM   #115 
        - You raise an important question and issue.  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 08:28 PM   #134 
  - read the post  mema42   Jun-16-07 05:28 PM   #73 
  - So because you've got some illegal buddies,  Anaxamander   Jun-16-07 06:28 PM   #78 
  - Then what??? What is to be done with the NEXT TWELVE MILLION?  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 12:45 PM   #50 
  - Keep out the Irish! Keep out the Chinese! Keep out the Mexicans!  pampango   Jun-16-07 12:48 PM   #51 
  - Got nothing, huh?  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 12:58 PM   #52 
     - Didn't know the Irish and Chinese came over on slave ships, too.  pampango   Jun-16-07 02:44 PM   #57 
        - I guess you don't give a shit about the Irish-Americans, Chinese-Americans, ...  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 03:06 PM   #59 
           - focus? And remember, the "illegal migrants" came here over 10,000 years ago!!  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 03:13 PM   #60 
           - My point was not that you were a racist.  pampango   Jun-16-07 03:20 PM   #64 
              - I support LEGAL immigration.  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 06:18 PM   #75 
              - good points there  Blue_Tires   Jun-16-07 08:41 PM   #95 
              - Thanks. Appreciate it.  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 09:56 PM   #96 
                 - Kudos  Jim Warren   Jun-16-07 11:22 PM   #100 
                    - I really appreciate your generosity. Even when I reread 'em I still feel I'm falling short.  TahitiNut   Jun-17-07 12:10 AM   #101 
                       - U: "EVERY citizen should take part in forming our laws and complying with them."  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 12:23 AM   #102 
                       - The economy should serve the people, NOT vice versa.  TahitiNut   Jun-17-07 12:43 AM   #103 
                          - I see we criticize the same side of the contradiction. Where is your response to  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 01:16 AM   #104 
                             - As I've tried to make clear (and apparently failed), we must ENFORCE and COMPLY with  TahitiNut   Jun-17-07 11:02 AM   #122 
                                - ABSOLUTELY, nd very well-stated. And, yes, let's get evidence on the employers  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 03:43 PM   #131 
                       - Again........IMHO........spot on.  Jim Warren   Jun-17-07 01:31 AM   #105 
                          - Perhaps the one thing that you and I could agree on would be  pampango   Jun-17-07 10:16 AM   #119 
              - wonderfully put  mema42   Jun-16-07 10:20 PM   #97 
              - not racism or nativism  mema42   Jun-17-07 10:03 AM   #117 
                 - Thank you. That's exactly how I view it.  TahitiNut   Jun-17-07 11:17 AM   #123 
  - And, the solution is ?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-16-07 04:21 PM   #69 
     - Profits  mema42   Jun-16-07 05:33 PM   #74 
     - Well, it's profits for "owners" and a fraction of the value of their labor to workers.  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 10:51 PM   #98 
        - profits for the rich  mema42   Jun-17-07 09:35 AM   #116 
     - See my post #75 above ...  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 06:24 PM   #77 
  - Why not invite all 6 Billion + people in the world to become citizens??  dkofos   Jun-16-07 03:44 PM   #66 
     - Go ahead.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-16-07 04:21 PM   #70 
     - Just guessing, but did you read the OP at all?  L. Coyote   Jun-18-07 11:25 PM   #146 
  - No. I don't understand where your 'new, non-voting class of workers' comes from. They're already  sinkingfeeling   Jun-15-07 01:57 PM   #2 
  - The provisions to give current non-visa migrants legal status determines when and how  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 02:13 PM   #4 
  - Nothing like creating a slave class...  LostInAnomie   Jun-15-07 02:03 PM   #3 
  - There are efforts underway to create political traps with legislation  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 02:16 PM   #5 
  - Well, anyone that votes for it deserves to be blown up in that minefield.  LostInAnomie   Jun-15-07 02:31 PM   #6 
     - Indeed. Enforcement would have prevented the problem. Who benefitted?  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 02:38 PM   #7 
     - Exactly Right  NeedleCast   Jun-17-07 10:35 AM   #121 
  - Giving them legal status means that they can't be paid slave wages  Hippo_Tron   Jun-15-07 02:42 PM   #8 
     - There's a lot of incentive to hire an immigrant willing to work construction...  LostInAnomie   Jun-15-07 02:50 PM   #9 
     - So even legal immigrants are bad for the country? n/t  pampango   Jun-15-07 03:01 PM   #10 
        - Depends on what you are talking about.  LostInAnomie   Jun-15-07 03:28 PM   #11 
        - Hah, but to get the diversity and richness into our culture,  pampango   Jun-15-07 03:43 PM   #12 
           - And we do accept immigrants.  LostInAnomie   Jun-15-07 03:58 PM   #14 
              - They are ALREADY here.  Madspirit   Jun-15-07 04:01 PM   #16 
                 - And I support making it impossible for illegal immigrants to find work.  LostInAnomie   Jun-15-07 04:11 PM   #18 
                    - Well, we will have to step out back then  Madspirit   Jun-15-07 05:13 PM   #26 
                       - I guess so, because I support my family and friends...  LostInAnomie   Jun-15-07 05:43 PM   #29 
                       - You may be happy to hear that Tom Tancredo agrees with you  pampango   Jun-16-07 06:02 AM   #41 
                       - Construction work pay has been frozen for more than 20 years due to the underground economy.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 09:28 AM   #43 
                       - It's very similar to the way "scabs" were used to destroy organized labor.  TahitiNut   Jun-16-07 03:15 PM   #61 
                       - Thank you  snailly   Jun-18-07 11:31 PM   #147 
                       - ITIN  mema42   Jun-16-07 02:03 PM   #54 
        - guest workers  mema42   Jun-16-07 02:01 PM   #53 
        - You've noticed the strong anti-immigrant bias...  Bridget Burke   Jun-18-07 06:28 AM   #140 
           - Anti-immigration isn't bias if it is a reasoned position, if it's just opposition.  L. Coyote   Jun-18-07 09:22 AM   #142 
     - But 12 million minimum wage payed workers will still screw up the middle class, and others  conspirator   Jun-16-07 10:30 AM   #45 
  - Consider who is lobbying for this and who will benefit. Business interests  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 03:51 PM   #13 
  - My Friends  Madspirit   Jun-15-07 04:02 PM   #17 
     - You and the US Chamber of Commerce  mycritters2   Jun-15-07 04:18 PM   #19 
     - FOLLOW THE MONEY Lobbyists & $$$ BILLIONS with a B, BBBillions!!!  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 04:28 PM   #21 
     - Inane Babbling  Madspirit   Jun-15-07 05:15 PM   #27 
     - Finally, the "corporate shill" accusation.  pampango   Jun-16-07 05:46 AM   #40 
        - Congrats, Now you're on their "wing-nut shill" list too. Give yourself a metal.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 09:23 AM   #42 
     - Of course, given the alternative.  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 04:24 PM   #20 
        - It's not "rewarding their crimininality"...  High Plains   Jun-17-07 12:14 PM   #125 
           - What happens if illegal employment ends? Illegal workers will go away.  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 03:49 PM   #132 
              - As long as we're dealing in generalizations, I have a concern ...  TahitiNut   Jun-17-07 04:45 PM   #133 
  - Bush is holding border security and ...  Babel_17   Jun-15-07 04:49 PM   #22 
  - Very good points. The struggle will be over the amendments, reshaping the bill.  L. Coyote   Jun-15-07 05:03 PM   #23 
  - This is a horrible bill; effectively creates a non-ending, second-class, slave-labor  AzDar   Jun-15-07 05:25 PM   #28 
  - Alot of people don't understand that making illegals legal without stopping the employers...  Marrah_G   Jun-15-07 11:47 PM   #31 
  - Excellent Points. It all happened before, just as you say.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 12:16 AM   #33 
  - yup, it has to be a multi pronged approach  mema42   Jun-16-07 02:09 PM   #55 
  - U.S. Chamber of Commerce openly advocates amnesty for illegal aliens  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 12:59 AM   #34 
  - What disturbs me are the provisions in the bill that aren't being aired in the open.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-16-07 09:29 AM   #44 
  - RealID  mema42   Jun-16-07 02:11 PM   #56 
     - And being a life-long Democrat, it freaks me out that the Democrats are backing this bill. I feel  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-16-07 02:52 PM   #58 
        - Watch the amendments debate. Did you see the reaction to Dorgan's amendment.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 03:17 PM   #62 
           - And I feel like pinching my fingers here (like biting my tongue), Dorgan is right.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-16-07 03:54 PM   #68 
              - I saw the debate. Dorgan nailed it like he does the big oil issue.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 08:18 PM   #91 
                 - I was looking for Dorgan on YouTube and found this clip discussing his  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-17-07 07:19 AM   #113 
  - 1. It's a step forward. 2.It's better than the alternative. 3.It's a NIXON-in-China opportunity.  UTUSN   Jun-16-07 10:48 AM   #46 
  - Something has to be done. The OP poses the question of ramifications to democracy.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 11:58 AM   #47 
  - As I said, the clear inequalities will have to be faced by SCOTUS  UTUSN   Jun-16-07 12:18 PM   #48 
     - The amendments to the proposed legislation will be an interesting debate  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 12:34 PM   #49 
     - not sure about this  mema42   Jun-16-07 03:40 PM   #65 
        - Why are you not sure of "what is trying to be said?" It might even be over-simplified  UTUSN   Jun-16-07 04:28 PM   #71 
           - part of what the OP mentioned was the right to vote  mema42   Jun-16-07 05:23 PM   #72 
  - I think  mema42   Jun-16-07 03:19 PM   #63 
  - Guest worker programs should include strong wage protections for U.S. workers  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 06:24 PM   #76 
  - It seems demanding that employers pay everyone the same wage  Cleita   Jun-16-07 06:30 PM   #81 
  - All Americans should be because even if they don't care about  Cleita   Jun-16-07 06:28 PM   #79 
  - you mean the southern democrats?  mema42   Jun-16-07 06:46 PM   #84 
  - Sunset provision on guest worker program passes  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 06:29 PM   #80 
  - Sen. Dorgan: Unlabor Day - The immigration bill will hurt American workers  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 06:34 PM   #82 
  - What do understand by "real border security?"  pingzing58   Jun-17-07 12:45 PM   #126 
     - You are right. Is the $4.4 BILLION in the current legislation pure cronyism  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 12:55 PM   #127 
        - I've been searching for an argument against the funding for a fence and yours is excellent.  pingzing58   Jun-17-07 01:11 PM   #128 
  - good thing it is gone  mema42   Jun-16-07 06:47 PM   #85 
     - The sunset provision passed, but the guest worker provision was not amended out.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 07:14 PM   #87 
  - Bush defends immigration bill, guest worker program  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 06:45 PM   #83 
  - Registration, temporary cards, "Z" visas, eight year waits, barriers to citizenship  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 06:54 PM   #86 
  - touchback and more  mema42   Jun-16-07 07:45 PM   #88 
  - I have know idea what the Dems are thinking about on this  lovuian   Jun-16-07 08:22 PM   #92 
  - Watch the Senate on C-SPAN when it goes back to the floor, and read the Congressional Record.  L. Coyote   Jun-16-07 08:30 PM   #94 
  - It's about dealing with reality! It's about dealing with things as they are.  pingzing58   Jun-17-07 02:01 AM   #108 
  - ironically, Europe is having its own issues  Blue_Tires   Jun-16-07 08:25 PM   #93 
  - I'm very conservative on illegal immigration.  MrSlayer   Jun-16-07 10:58 PM   #99 
  - Why?  pingzing58   Jun-17-07 01:52 AM   #106 
  - I don't blame the Mexicans.  Xap   Jun-17-07 03:17 AM   #112 
  - Blaming corporations is a simplificatioin. Lots of independent businessmen too.  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 10:11 AM   #118 
  - Fwiw, I work with many legal immigrants  Babel_17   Jun-17-07 11:47 AM   #124 
  - TEXT Senate Bill 1348 = MUST READ  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 02:01 PM   #129 
  - A thread for those who have read the proposed language  L. Coyote   Jun-17-07 02:20 PM   #130 
  - I read it this afternoon, all 628 pages, but why?  Cleita   Jun-18-07 01:16 AM   #138 
     - It is going to the Senate Floor for debate, and amendments will be offered.  L. Coyote   Jun-18-07 09:14 AM   #141 
        - I posted my thoughts to you someplace else, but here I'll do it again.  Cleita   Jun-18-07 12:50 PM   #143 
           - The good and lenghty comments are apprecited.  L. Coyote   Jun-18-07 01:50 PM   #145 
  - Pretty good thread here  Lasher   Jun-17-07 10:32 PM   #135 
  - Provision: FAILURE TO OBEY LAWFUL ORDERS up to 5 years in prison.  L. Coyote   Jun-18-07 01:05 AM   #137 
  - I also support complete amnesty and citizenship  hogwyld   Jun-18-07 02:39 AM   #139 
     - The path to citizenship should not be delayed by the bill, but, should everyone  L. Coyote   Jun-19-07 08:38 AM   #148 
 

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