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150. I really, really hate to agree with Schwarzeneger...
But I do see his point. My parents spoke only French until they were adults, when they picked up some English and through the years spoke only English. When I wzs a kid, they wouldn't speak French to us because they wanted us to speak English without an accent. Alot of my friends did have accents, and it set them back. That's just the way it was. Unfortunately, I'm not fluent in French, but that's the tradeoff.
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  -Schwarzenegger Advises Latinos to Avoid Spanish Media to Learn English The Straight Story  Jun-14-07 02:00 PM   #0 
  - I guess he would know  AngryAmish   Jun-14-07 02:01 PM   #1 
  - Good idea about not talking to German-speaking reporters here ...  meegbear   Jun-14-07 02:02 PM   #2 
  - He is pretty right about immersion  YOY   Jun-14-07 02:02 PM   #3 
  - Yes. That's how I learned languages. Immersion.  JDPriestly   Jun-14-07 02:15 PM   #7 
  - I really don't see why people here are getting so pissed here  YOY   Jun-14-07 02:23 PM   #11 
     - Oh really....maybe I like the Spanish TV stations so I can learn to speak the language.  Sequoia   Jun-14-07 03:32 PM   #47 
        - Yeah and I want 'em in Bulgarian but watcha gonna do?  YOY   Jun-14-07 03:52 PM   #58 
        - I like the Asian station too.  Sequoia   Jun-14-07 04:15 PM   #72 
        - ESL classes don't have enough seats for all the sign ups.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 05:28 PM   #94 
           - As an Part Time private ESL teacher I concur. There are also a lack of qualified ESL teachers in my  YOY   Jun-15-07 07:57 AM   #144 
           - And grad school is so much more expensive now.  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 08:59 AM   #147 
           - We should encourage both!  Marrah_G   Jun-15-07 11:36 AM   #168 
        - Why not?  Le Taz Hot   Jun-15-07 09:51 AM   #154 
  - But he's wrong about the news. Spanish language outlets  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:24 PM   #13 
  - I used to work for the Spanish International Network (SIN)  Horse with no Name   Jun-14-07 02:26 PM   #14 
  - What a great acronym! I've never watched "Escandalo Tv"  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:27 PM   #17 
  - Oh yes, quite wrong, but what I see on Spanish outlets really is more of the same  YOY   Jun-14-07 02:31 PM   #21 
     - I realized after I posted that I was overgeneralizing. Some outlets  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:35 PM   #25 
     - Bull  mitchtv   Jun-14-07 02:37 PM   #26 
        - mitchtv: there is a new show on Link -- "Latin Pulse" and it's  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:40 PM   #28 
        - Um...dude...I didn't say that  YOY   Jun-14-07 03:55 PM   #59 
  - Exactly!!  Madspirit   Jun-14-07 02:30 PM   #19 
  - They're immersed if they're here, too  treestar   Jun-14-07 04:58 PM   #91 
  - I really, really hate to agree with Schwarzeneger...  zanne   Jun-15-07 09:07 AM   #150 
  - doesn't he have a funeral to get to?  Solly Mack   Jun-14-07 02:03 PM   #4 
  - Fuck You Arnie!  devilgrrl   Jun-14-07 02:04 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-14-07 02:21 PM   #9 
     - Where is this coming from? Did you miss proud2blib's thread  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:26 PM   #15 
     - aquart just likes to give me hard time is what this is about...  devilgrrl   Jun-14-07 02:43 PM   #30 
        - You two be good.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:58 PM   #38 
           - Hey, Expat!  Zookeeper   Jun-14-07 09:29 PM   #126 
              - I've been Mommed so long I need a "nanny" tatoo. Oh, hell.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 11:13 PM   #141 
     - No one has to use English. And if any group of people want to form  RGBolen   Jun-14-07 02:26 PM   #16 
        - I learned Spanish first, and was fluent in Spanish and English  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:31 PM   #20 
        - No one "has to" understand or be understood by others either. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-15-07 10:36 AM   #158 
  - Everyone still believe he won in California?  fooj   Jun-14-07 02:04 PM   #6 
  - No, no lo creo. I don't believe.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 03:00 PM   #40 
     - You have to be a Californian to understand...  fooj   Jun-14-07 04:00 PM   #61 
        - Exactly. People may think we went for a celeb, It didn't happen.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:05 PM   #65 
        - Link to the official election results in Excel format and a question for sfexpat2000  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 06:08 PM   #106 
        - Okay. Let me get some stuff together and I'll be back.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:45 PM   #121 
        - Yes, I believe he won, though I voted against him both times  CreekDog   Jun-15-07 01:30 PM   #190 
        - Let me guess  Nederland   Jun-15-07 11:31 AM   #167 
  - Exactly what I tell students.  aquart   Jun-14-07 02:18 PM   #8 
  - Both my niece and my nephew were foreign exchange students  kestrel91316   Jun-14-07 02:23 PM   #10 
  - I came home from a month in El Salvador with an accent when I was 11.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:59 PM   #39 
  - No one has to "assimilate" that is such bull. People keeping their culture and  RGBolen   Jun-14-07 02:23 PM   #12 
  - English is the language of business and commerce in this country  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 02:30 PM   #18 
  - But, who are these hordes of people refusing to learn English?  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:32 PM   #22 
  - I didn't say there were any such hordes  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 02:33 PM   #23 
  - The thing is, it's so much the other way around.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:38 PM   #27 
     - Individuals vary widely in their ability to learn new languages  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 02:43 PM   #31 
        - No kidding. I had to pass exams in three languages in grad school  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:49 PM   #32 
           - I passed the UCSD language proficiency in Spanish without taking a class  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 02:51 PM   #33 
           - I was forced to take Spanish in jr high and spent three years  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:53 PM   #34 
           - Ask Bart Simpson about living in Paris!  Sequoia   Jun-14-07 03:39 PM   #49 
           - I ended up after a semester of french  mitchtv   Jun-14-07 09:24 PM   #125 
              - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 09:31 PM   #128 
  - Well  Johonny   Jun-14-07 03:50 PM   #57 
     - I've lived in California all my life. And there's no such population  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:00 PM   #62 
        - I agree, but there is a problem with people who have difficulty learning it  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 05:55 PM   #99 
           - This is the same guy that was going to investigate his own groping.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 05:59 PM   #101 
              - I have friends in Hollywood who have worked with him on movies, yes he is scum  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 06:10 PM   #108 
                 - Sure. But it doesn't obviate his ham fist.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:14 PM   #109 
                    - I'm about 90% Kraut myself  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 06:21 PM   #114 
                    - I have this tug of war going on between my Hamburg side  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:34 PM   #118 
                    - .....  Zookeeper   Jun-14-07 09:51 PM   #132 
                       - That was the best laugh I had since Andy introduced me to Jeff Gannon.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 10:29 PM   #137 
  - The language of business and commerce is money and all other  RGBolen   Jun-14-07 02:34 PM   #24 
  - Not in the heart of China town  treestar   Jun-14-07 04:50 PM   #87 
     - Knowing more languages is always better  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 05:52 PM   #98 
  - Besides Spanish is so much more beautiful and phonetic  mitchtv   Jun-14-07 02:42 PM   #29 
  - I have a distant memory of becoming aware of English  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:56 PM   #36 
  - One great thing about Spanish  treestar   Jun-14-07 04:47 PM   #84 
  - Why?  ProfessorGAC   Jun-14-07 02:55 PM   #35 
  - Yep! Thank you, Professor. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 02:57 PM   #37 
  - Are you kidding? You honestly don't see something good in people  RGBolen   Jun-14-07 03:22 PM   #46 
  - I think the Professor was pointing out that this isn't an "either / or"  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 03:42 PM   #51 
  - If you want to immigrate to another country you have a responsibility to...  Odin2005   Jun-14-07 03:46 PM   #54 
  - Really? Can you provide a link to the law on this point?  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:07 PM   #66 
  - What does the law have to do with this?  Odin2005   Jun-14-07 04:08 PM   #67 
     - So, are you frequenting sweat lodges?  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:11 PM   #69 
  - Absolutely.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-14-07 04:48 PM   #86 
  - And they should leave on a tire, Saves us from recycling.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:52 PM   #88 
  - If enough of you show up, you will affect the culture  treestar   Jun-14-07 04:53 PM   #89 
  - What the hell does that have to do with being bilingual?  nonconformist   Jun-14-07 04:20 PM   #74 
  - You Didn't Answer Either Question  ProfessorGAC   Jun-15-07 07:10 AM   #143 
     - I think people should maintain their culture and heritage, I think those are good things  RGBolen   Jun-15-07 09:47 AM   #152 
        - You Are Wrong  ProfessorGAC   Jun-15-07 11:59 AM   #172 
           - Some imperialist colonizer you turned out to be.  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 04:33 PM   #207 
  - It's Postmodernist psudo-leftist BS used by the globalist corporatists.  Odin2005   Jun-14-07 03:44 PM   #53 
     - Postmodernist Multiculturalist Rhetoric? Please, speak English.  Bridget Burke   Jun-15-07 09:06 AM   #149 
        - I think those are copy/pasted from the John Birch Society webpage  RGBolen   Jun-15-07 09:49 AM   #153 
  - Amen brother/sister!  Sequoia   Jun-14-07 03:35 PM   #48 
  - So, which tribe should the English have chosen....  Zookeeper   Jun-14-07 09:48 PM   #130 
     - Well, every tribe when you look into them, all cultures.  Sequoia   Jun-15-07 11:26 AM   #165 
        - I doubt that Native people (even kids) spent all day....  Zookeeper   Jun-15-07 11:39 AM   #169 
           - Right (smacking forehead) the girls worked, the boys got to play  Sequoia   Jun-15-07 12:06 PM   #174 
              - Well, you have a point, there.  Zookeeper   Jun-15-07 12:10 PM   #175 
  - Yes, they should assimilate.  Odin2005   Jun-14-07 03:39 PM   #50 
  - When people do assimilate, it also goes both ways  treestar   Jun-14-07 04:46 PM   #83 
  - Aside from the RW meme, this seems to me to be an anti intellectual  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 05:02 PM   #92 
  - Balance  BoneDaddy   Jun-14-07 05:41 PM   #96 
  - Blondeatlast advises US students to avoid Mainstream Media to learn English,  blondeatlast   Jun-14-07 03:02 PM   #41 
  - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 03:15 PM   #44 
  - He is right insofar as the immersion part  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-14-07 03:02 PM   #42 
  - That fool can't even say California ~  goclark   Jun-14-07 03:10 PM   #43 
  - I saw that and wanted to reach in my tv and shake him.  Sequoia   Jun-14-07 03:22 PM   #45 
  - Agreed. He's a privileged jerk and Austria doesn't want him back.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 03:43 PM   #52 
  - That reminds me...  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-14-07 04:03 PM   #63 
     - I've found (because I've almost lost Spanish at several points)  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:09 PM   #68 
        - I've tried that a little, too.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-14-07 04:14 PM   #71 
           - Whenever I visit Mexico, it takes my ear at least 24 hours to  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:17 PM   #73 
              - For some people it's time, for me it's about three beers  slackmaster   Jun-15-07 01:51 PM   #194 
                 - Lol! I never thought of that. Once, a guy from Manchester  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 02:58 PM   #204 
  - Guess what the #2 language in the WORLD is???  Perragrande   Jun-14-07 03:46 PM   #55 
  - Thanks, Perrita!  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:03 PM   #64 
  - And just what media do we hold responsible for his "charming" patois? nt  ToeBot   Jun-14-07 03:47 PM   #56 
  - I agree  gravity   Jun-14-07 03:56 PM   #60 
  - The charge against immigrants is that they refuse to learn English  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:12 PM   #70 
     - Immersion is one of the best ways to learn though  gravity   Jun-14-07 04:24 PM   #75 
     - I agree -- worked for me! But if you're working a minimum wage job  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:26 PM   #76 
        - That's what the TV is for  gravity   Jun-14-07 04:31 PM   #79 
           - Sure! And that's the only thing I've been trying to say.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:43 PM   #82 
     - There are 4 middle aged Mexican brothers who frequent my neighborhood pub  slackmaster   Jun-14-07 05:57 PM   #100 
        - In my family there seems to be no correlation at all.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:05 PM   #103 
  - Solution without a problem. Damn near 100% of kids learn English w/o govt intervention.  BlooInBloo   Jun-14-07 04:29 PM   #77 
  - Yep. And some of us get advanced degrees in English  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:31 PM   #78 
     - Que sopresa! lol!  BlooInBloo   Jun-14-07 04:33 PM   #80 
        - Sorry to be so bruta but what the heck harm can come from  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:48 PM   #85 
  - People can learn English without avoiding Spanish entirely  treestar   Jun-14-07 04:41 PM   #81 
  - It's just the RW trying to divide and conquer.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 04:55 PM   #90 
  - your head starts to hurt, and it is a nice break  mitchtv   Jun-14-07 09:38 PM   #129 
  - Yus, Yoo livhe in Kolllyfornia now  Downtown Hound   Jun-14-07 05:17 PM   #93 
  - There is some truth to that  BoneDaddy   Jun-14-07 05:40 PM   #95 
  - But, imho, it's a false dilemma because most immigrants  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 05:46 PM   #97 
     - Arnold is just suggesting a solution to the problem  gravity   Jun-14-07 06:06 PM   #104 
     - Imho, he's out of touch with the real lives and real efforts of real people.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:08 PM   #105 
     - So they have no accountability  BoneDaddy   Jun-14-07 06:14 PM   #110 
        - Oh for pete's sake.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:21 PM   #113 
           - Wow  BoneDaddy   Jun-15-07 08:54 AM   #145 
              - I am not steeped in the "victim" mentality. I'm saying that  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 08:58 AM   #146 
                 - That is no reason  BoneDaddy   Jun-15-07 10:40 AM   #159 
                    - Where do people get this idea that immigrants don't want to learn  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 10:53 AM   #161 
  - If only the Governor of Pennsylvania would try to get yinzers to speak English.  BlooInBloo   Jun-14-07 06:02 PM   #102 
  - What is a yinzer? What a great word.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:09 PM   #107 
     - Illustrative usage: "What're yinz all doin tonite?" - LOL!  BlooInBloo   Jun-14-07 06:18 PM   #112 
        - I love it. Thank you.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:23 PM   #115 
  - Good Advice  otohara   Jun-14-07 06:17 PM   #111 
  - Nope. There was so Spanish radio. I listened to it every day  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:26 PM   #117 
     - Bravo  otohara   Jun-15-07 10:42 AM   #160 
        - I taught college English. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 10:58 AM   #163 
  - He's right but he assumes that Spanish speaking people don't  Cleita   Jun-14-07 06:24 PM   #116 
  - He's an idiot and I can't wait until we unload his bigoted @ss.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 06:38 PM   #120 
     - I really still don't understand why he's still there.  Cleita   Jun-14-07 08:43 PM   #122 
        - Omg, Cleita, they've been working on CA for so long.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 08:57 PM   #123 
        - That snarky business with Kevin Shelley really made me take  Cleita   Jun-14-07 09:02 PM   #124 
           - Exactly And I don't think they've given up trying to steal CA yet. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 09:30 PM   #127 
        - He's still here because state Dems  mitchtv   Jun-14-07 09:50 PM   #131 
           - Angelides was out of his element with Arnold who knows  Cleita   Jun-14-07 09:56 PM   #134 
           - Torres does have to go. I couldn't agree more. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 10:32 PM   #139 
  - I know two women who learned Spanish by watching novelas  nini   Jun-14-07 06:37 PM   #119 
  - they are already immersed  mitchtv   Jun-14-07 09:55 PM   #133 
     - I agree with you and the guvernator  nini   Jun-15-07 11:17 AM   #164 
  - Well, the immersion part is a good idea, at least to learn...  Zookeeper   Jun-14-07 10:14 PM   #135 
  - Who's going to send all our Spanish speakers to camp?  Bridget Burke   Jun-15-07 09:03 AM   #148 
     - My goodness. n/t  Zookeeper   Jun-15-07 10:25 AM   #157 
     - I want to go to camp!  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 10:54 AM   #162 
        - Yeah, it's pretty cool....  Zookeeper   Jun-15-07 11:27 AM   #166 
           - I'd love to learn Italian that way!  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 11:47 AM   #171 
              - Well, here you go.....  Zookeeper   Jun-15-07 12:04 PM   #173 
              - Those are extremely reasonable rates! I thought it would be  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 12:14 PM   #176 
              - I will eat my way across Italy  mitchtv   Jun-15-07 02:04 PM   #197 
                 - I'd settle for gellato in Florence!  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 02:14 PM   #199 
  - sorry to say but Spanish speaking immigrants know that they don't  scard   Jun-14-07 10:27 PM   #136 
  - No, I agree. It's really hard to learn another language  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 10:31 PM   #138 
  - learn about the German community in the US  kineneb   Jun-16-07 03:28 PM   #215 
  - Arnold gets an F.  roody   Jun-14-07 11:03 PM   #140 
  - He's at very least one idiot.  sfexpat2000   Jun-14-07 11:16 PM   #142 
  - Yes, the New Immigrants are "different" from all the ones who came before.  Bridget Burke   Jun-15-07 09:15 AM   #151 
  - I agree with Arnie nt  Raine   Jun-15-07 09:57 AM   #155 
  - Of course immersion is the best way  cgrindley   Jun-15-07 10:11 AM   #156 
  - The fact that you are in the country of the language you are  Cleita   Jun-15-07 11:41 AM   #170 
     - not necessarily true unfortunately  pitohui   Jun-15-07 12:43 PM   #178 
     - Yes, old people often don't and this isn't exclusive to either  Cleita   Jun-15-07 12:56 PM   #180 
        - Cleita -- you just reminded me of some very funny moments  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 01:07 PM   #183 
           - It's so true. Me too.  Cleita   Jun-15-07 01:09 PM   #185 
     - That's just not true  cgrindley   Jun-15-07 01:12 PM   #187 
        - Which is why most freeps live at home with Mom.  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 01:15 PM   #188 
        - I'm constantly shocked  cgrindley   Jun-15-07 01:45 PM   #191 
           - Anti-intellectualism -- is that the right category?  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 01:50 PM   #193 
           - Back in Lincoln's day the Republican Party was the progressive  Cleita   Jun-15-07 04:16 PM   #205 
              - Yes, abolishinists were Republicans. Irony overload. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 05:02 PM   #208 
              - Naw, that's just later spin  cgrindley   Jun-16-07 06:33 AM   #210 
                 - Spin like from historians like  Cleita   Jun-16-07 12:49 PM   #211 
                    - Come on  cgrindley   Jun-16-07 03:11 PM   #214 
        - I assume as an ex-Pat in Mexico, you wouldn't know the difference  Cleita   Jun-15-07 04:20 PM   #206 
  - yes, immersion is how you learn a language  pitohui   Jun-15-07 12:35 PM   #177 
  - Tell me you're kidding about El Grope's linguistic skill  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 12:53 PM   #179 
  - He knows what he's talking about  cgrindley   Jun-15-07 01:46 PM   #192 
     - Wait -- he's an immigrant so he knows what he's talking about?  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 01:52 PM   #195 
        - His first language is German  cgrindley   Jun-15-07 02:32 PM   #200 
           - Considering that his consultants are probably at this moment  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 02:35 PM   #201 
              - It's a difficult situation  cgrindley   Jun-16-07 06:31 AM   #209 
  - You never saw his movie "Hercules in New York" I take it.  Cleita   Jun-15-07 01:00 PM   #182 
  - Richard Ramirez in his well known book says...  CreekDog   Jun-15-07 12:56 PM   #181 
  - We had the same rule in my house so my mother would learn.  Cleita   Jun-15-07 01:08 PM   #184 
  - My grandmother could read and write English but she didn't like  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 01:20 PM   #189 
  - My experience is exactly opposite. My mom and her five sibs  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 01:10 PM   #186 
  - I wish my father had done that  Book Lover   Jun-15-07 01:56 PM   #196 
     - At the time, I remember us kids sort of hating it. But now that there's  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-07 02:08 PM   #198 
  - I thought you meant Richard Ramirez, The Night Stalker.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-15-07 02:37 PM   #202 
     - My bad...Richard Rodriguez  CreekDog   Jun-15-07 02:52 PM   #203 
  - I watch Univision and Telemundo to improve my Spanish  slutticus   Jun-16-07 01:31 PM   #212 
  - Well, a good family friend's mother was a Hungarian refugee  Nikia   Jun-16-07 01:50 PM   #213 
 

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