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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 10:19 PM
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44. You're saying two different things.
"You pick precincts that you know you didn't manipulate". Why does the bad guy get to pick the precincts to be audited? That would be thwarted by a random selection.

But you say you aren't happy with random audits. I'm not following.

You do suggest an audit of each precincts. There I do agree, except to say that even that may not be necessary to catch/deter bad guys.

I wanted to post a link about from Howard Stanislevics blog, but the site is done. I encourage you to poke around his site and see what he has to say about auditing.

http://e-voter.blogspot.com

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  -Kucinich to tell Rep. Holt he will NOT support HR 811 false "reform" Land Shark  Jun-10-07 01:42 PM   #0 
  - You got through !!!  stellanoir   Jun-10-07 01:46 PM   #1 
  - I like Dennis Kucinich a lot. I don't think that he has a chance of  Rydz777   Jun-10-07 02:07 PM   #2 
  - Okay, the first presidential candidate to stand up for transparent vote counting!  Peace Patriot   Jun-10-07 02:12 PM   #3 
  - "In the opinion of this writer, though not a direct statement of Kucinich"  Wilms   Jun-10-07 02:21 PM   #4 
  - Just trying to say "false reform" is my phrase, Kucinich to notify Holt  Land Shark   Jun-10-07 03:32 PM   #9 
     - As to putting words in Kucinich's mouth, you nearly did.  Wilms   Jun-10-07 04:12 PM   #13 
  - This is rather confusing.  MH1   Jun-10-07 02:51 PM   #5 
  - That's correct but there are lots of people against 811 besides Harris  Land Shark   Jun-10-07 03:35 PM   #10 
  - This is important, and many thanks to you Paul, and to Kucinich, Waters, and others.  Kurovski   Jun-10-07 04:41 PM   #16 
     - Could you explain this paragraph:  Febble   Jun-11-07 11:42 AM   #83 
        - That is a terrible oversight for which I must apologize.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 12:54 PM   #90 
           - Thanks for the correction  Febble   Jun-11-07 01:06 PM   #91 
              - You're entirely welcome, Febble.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 01:18 PM   #94 
  - I'll go further than Land Shark on that one.  Wilms   Jun-10-07 06:53 PM   #25 
     - Well I am NOT an expert and don't pretend to be one  MH1   Jun-10-07 08:00 PM   #29 
        - I understand how complex issues are hard to sort through.  Wilms   Jun-10-07 08:11 PM   #32 
           - That's fair.  MH1   Jun-10-07 08:21 PM   #34 
              - well, the thing about that is...  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-07 08:40 PM   #36 
              - Your post mirrors much of my thoughts on this.  Wilms   Jun-10-07 08:42 PM   #38 
  - "hand counted paper ballots in the presidential race"  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-10-07 02:56 PM   #6 
  - I am surprised the entire CBC isn't on board.  mod mom   Jun-10-07 03:06 PM   #7 
  - Why the rush and need for technology  Robson   Jun-10-07 03:20 PM   #8 
  - Good question, first level of analysis is whether a voting system serves Demnocracy's values or not  Land Shark   Jun-10-07 03:56 PM   #11 
  - The rush is over. We already have this frightening technology.  Wilms   Jun-10-07 04:15 PM   #14 
  - "Most parrot their idols"  MH1   Jun-10-07 08:05 PM   #30 
  - Have you ever worked at a poll as a member of an election board?  MH1   Jun-10-07 04:17 PM   #15 
     - Yes I have worked at poll and another day at hand counting would give reliable results.  Robson   Jun-10-07 07:20 PM   #27 
        - Where would you get the counters and how would you guard the ballots?  MH1   Jun-10-07 08:10 PM   #31 
           - They could be sealed and secured until the next day  Robson   Jun-10-07 08:19 PM   #33 
           - They could be.  MH1   Jun-10-07 09:33 PM   #40 
              - From a technical standpoint, electronic, computerized, voting machines...  Solon   Jun-10-07 11:35 PM   #51 
                 - Thanks for giving info and your "computer geek" input.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 02:20 AM   #71 
           - Just sat thru a presentation by the NH Asst Secty of State  Land Shark   Jun-10-07 10:25 PM   #45 
  - Kucinich is not given enough credit for his patriotism  kpete   Jun-10-07 03:57 PM   #12 
  - Amen to that kpete.  Kurovski   Jun-10-07 04:47 PM   #18 
  - The absolute height of stupidity  sandnsea   Jun-10-07 04:46 PM   #17 
  - So calling opponents "fools" "idiots" and charging them with "stupidity"  Kurovski   Jun-10-07 05:10 PM   #20 
     - I gave up on that years ago  sandnsea   Jun-10-07 05:17 PM   #21 
        - Well, hand counted paper ballots is the only system consistent with American rights  Land Shark   Jun-10-07 06:15 PM   #22 
           - Hand counts were crooked  sandnsea   Jun-10-07 06:22 PM   #24 
           - With hand counts you couldn't switch a million votes with a keystroke.  Kurovski   Jun-10-07 09:23 PM   #39 
              - Oh please  sandnsea   Jun-10-07 09:42 PM   #41 
                 - That brand of election fraud you mention is far too much work,  Kurovski   Jun-10-07 10:09 PM   #43 
                    - Some people just don't understand the multiplying powers of computers  Land Shark   Jun-10-07 10:28 PM   #47 
                    - ...Or perhaps would rather not acknowledge it.  Kurovski   Jun-10-07 10:36 PM   #49 
                    - Or the auditing of ATM's  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 12:13 AM   #55 
                       - Yes, and people who have bank accounts can check the accuracy  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 02:36 AM   #73 
                          - No it isn't a legitimate argument  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 11:42 AM   #84 
                             - I believe that you're a legitimately concerned citizen,  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 01:13 PM   #92 
                                - Who is talking about proprietary software?  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 02:06 PM   #97 
                                   - I really didn't think you were a "mole" at first.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 03:24 PM   #98 
                    - As opposed to a national computer hack?  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 12:15 AM   #58 
                       - Your eyeroll emoticon has convinced me.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 12:58 AM   #66 
           - re: "there are easy ways to make all audits of paper trails match electronic counts"  Wilms   Jun-10-07 06:57 PM   #26 
              - You cheat on the hand count  sandnsea   Jun-10-07 09:46 PM   #42 
                 - You're saying two different things.  Wilms   Jun-10-07 10:19 PM   #44 
                    - Thats the theory  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 12:11 AM   #54 
                       - Well that was insulting.  Wilms   Jun-11-07 12:14 AM   #56 
                          - Then put on your thinking cap  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 12:16 AM   #60 
                             - That is not at all what I said.  Wilms   Jun-11-07 12:27 AM   #62 
                                - A minor detail??  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 01:00 AM   #67 
                                   - Perhaps we're talking past one another and should, therefore, give it a break.  Wilms   Jun-11-07 01:13 AM   #68 
                                      - It's very simple  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 01:53 AM   #69 
                                         - It's the best I can do.  Wilms   Jun-11-07 02:15 AM   #70 
                                         - well, that was an interesting twist  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-07 07:29 AM   #78 
                                            - Except it's not true  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 11:30 AM   #82 
                                               - I agree: it's not all THAT easy to cheat audits  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-07 12:01 PM   #85 
                                                  - How it is here  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 12:16 PM   #86 
                                                     - Oregon is different  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-07 12:36 PM   #88 
                                                     - Oregon works  sandnsea   Jun-11-07 12:48 PM   #89 
  - Reported on DU... reported on Scoop...  althecat   Jun-10-07 04:50 PM   #19 
  - Another reason to suspect Kucinich's policy recommendations  robcon   Jun-10-07 06:19 PM   #23 
  - I'm beginning to think there may be a fair majority of Americans  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 02:24 AM   #72 
  - Great news on HR 6200. I hope it gets the support it deserves. n/t  livvy   Jun-10-07 07:56 PM   #28 
  - Kucinich for President  upi402   Jun-10-07 08:24 PM   #35 
  - Great news, Land Shark! It is so predictable to watch all the usual suspects  kiteinthewind   Jun-10-07 08:42 PM   #37 
  - Yes it is, and then to see them try to humiliate americans by suggesting they can't handle HCPB  Land Shark   Jun-10-07 10:27 PM   #46 
     - I agree. The 'It's TOOOO hard' argument is just insulting. Always makes me thing of * and his  kiteinthewind   Jun-11-07 08:13 AM   #80 
  - Have you heard anything re: Waters lately?  emlev   Jun-10-07 10:36 PM   #48 
  - Maybe we'll be hearing more soon...  Kurovski   Jun-10-07 11:24 PM   #50 
  - Do you know any more? Gettin' jiggy wid it?  emlev   Jun-10-07 11:55 PM   #53 
     - That's all I know.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 02:40 AM   #74 
  - She is still a cosponsor of the Holt bill:  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-10-07 11:38 PM   #52 
     - It needs to be updated. (nt)  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 03:42 AM   #76 
        - Perhaps Congressman Waters has not officially withdrawn her support  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-11-07 05:50 AM   #77 
           - It appears that she hasn't.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 12:34 PM   #87 
              - So, either someone isn't telling the truth or someone hasn't done their job  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-11-07 01:13 PM   #93 
                 - There's a misunderstanding somewhere, yes.  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 02:01 PM   #96 
  - Well, I like Kucinich, but having HCPB for POTUS is pandering!  Bill Bored   Jun-11-07 12:15 AM   #57 
  - Hey, thanks for the correction.  Wilms   Jun-11-07 12:16 AM   #59 
     - Who knows? It's last year's fucking bill!  Bill Bored   Jun-11-07 12:18 AM   #61 
        - That's a good point ya got there, Bill.  Wilms   Jun-11-07 12:29 AM   #63 
           - cause he forgot the children?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-07 12:33 AM   #64 
              - That must be it!  Wilms   Jun-11-07 12:37 AM   #65 
  - Would a bubble ballot work?  glowing   Jun-11-07 03:33 AM   #75 
  - that is what is called "optical scan"  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-07 07:39 AM   #79 
  - This is GREAT news, Land Shark!  loudsue   Jun-11-07 09:57 AM   #81 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Jun-11-07 01:30 PM   #95 
  - KR.nt  kster   Jun-11-07 08:48 PM   #99 
  - Excellent, Paul!  Patsy Stone   Jun-11-07 09:03 PM   #100 
 

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