| -GLBT outrage at Edwards misplaced... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 07:29 PM |
#0 |
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Who is trying to force religions to "bless" gay marriage? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-06-07 07:55 PM |
#1 |
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I had a conversation with a fundie who thought gay marriage meant that churches |
ourbluenation |
Jun-06-07 07:59 PM |
#2 |
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They don't want the government to tell them how to run the churches |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-06-07 08:25 PM |
#8 |
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Yeah that's the joke about "what's the difference between a Dem and a Republican?" |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:29 PM |
#10 |
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I agree that should be made abundantly clear |
LiberalFighter |
Jun-06-07 08:57 PM |
#30 |
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This guy right here on DU seems to think that was the problem |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:01 PM |
#3 |
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Because the RW talking point has worked its magic... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:17 PM |
#5 |
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Indeed |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-06-07 08:23 PM |
#6 |
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Yeah, I know -- even here on DU too many don't know the difference |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-06-07 10:56 PM |
#110 |
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Are other basic civil rights state mandated or are they federal? |
flvegan |
Jun-06-07 08:09 PM |
#4 |
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Some other basic rights ARE state mandated |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:23 PM |
#7 |
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Excuse me while I go piss on the Declaration of Independence |
flvegan |
Jun-06-07 08:39 PM |
#13 |
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Pardon me if object to your urination... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:44 PM |
#17 |
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Practical political issue? |
flvegan |
Jun-06-07 08:49 PM |
#22 |
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But yes you DO when you insist on tilting at windmills |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:54 PM |
#28 |
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Is that your only catch-phrase? |
flvegan |
Jun-06-07 09:32 PM |
#50 |
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No your approach WILL fail because you DON'T HAVE THE VOTES.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:34 PM |
#51 |
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If I don't have the votes for what's right |
flvegan |
Jun-06-07 09:36 PM |
#53 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-06-07 09:47 PM |
#62 |
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But I thought... |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:45 PM |
#19 |
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As a matter of law, no -but the Declaration should inform our reading of the Constitution |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:51 PM |
#24 |
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But as a precedent for vaguely religious rhetoric... |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:54 PM |
#27 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-06-07 08:52 PM |
#25 |
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Told. nt |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:43 PM |
#16 |
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Sorry for being stupid but what does "Told" mean? n/t |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:45 PM |
#18 |
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Hahah. It means you beat him in the argument. nt |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:48 PM |
#21 |
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OK but let's not be ugly or polarizing please... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:01 PM |
#34 |
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If you want to keep from getting "ugly"... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-06-07 10:53 PM |
#107 |
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I didn't initiate the hostility, I just responded to it. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:55 PM |
#109 |
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Thanks, ref. |
flvegan |
Jun-06-07 09:45 PM |
#60 |
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He just got here to regulate |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-06-07 10:39 PM |
#97 |
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Agreed. Civil Rights cannot be "left up to the states" - that was proved |
Dhalgren |
Jun-06-07 08:31 PM |
#12 |
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Well except that there is nothing directly in the law to support this.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:43 PM |
#15 |
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How were the legal bans on interracial marriages overturned in the |
Dhalgren |
Jun-06-07 11:35 PM |
#135 |
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No you misunderstand...I'm not saying that there is no civil right to marriage |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:48 PM |
#139 |
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Do you want to lose the election? |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:43 PM |
#14 |
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Because it is a psychological emotional hot button wedge issue???? |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:47 PM |
#20 |
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Exactly |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:50 PM |
#23 |
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The only way it will not cease to be an issue for them is if we cease to fucking exist |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-06-07 10:42 PM |
#101 |
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I'm not blaming the victim..do you not get that partial success is better than none? |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:59 PM |
#113 |
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State by state? You mean like the antigay amendments? |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-06-07 11:19 PM |
#125 |
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Exactly - if they push the state dominos down, you stand them UP... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:28 PM |
#131 |
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Translation: "STFU you uppity queers |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-06-07 08:53 PM |
#26 |
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No. |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:56 PM |
#29 |
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That's not what you said two days ago... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-06-07 09:14 PM |
#44 |
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Mistranslation.... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:57 PM |
#31 |
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Yeah |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:58 PM |
#33 |
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It's pretty hard to outflank... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-06-07 09:06 PM |
#37 |
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Wrong.... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:13 PM |
#42 |
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First, I will appreciate you refraining from impugning my literacy... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-06-07 10:43 PM |
#102 |
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One by one friend... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:05 PM |
#115 |
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Hmmm... Well I'm doing the math and the way I figure it... |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-06-07 11:16 PM |
#123 |
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1) Take a vacation to Massachutsetts.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:19 PM |
#127 |
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Virginia has an amendment. Do you understand how constitutional law works? |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-06-07 11:29 PM |
#132 |
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FEDERAL consititutional grounds - Full Faith and Credit Clause |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:38 PM |
#136 |
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You don't think this has been tried? |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-06-07 11:46 PM |
#138 |
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Has there actually been a marriage or civil union statute in MA long enough? |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:53 AM |
#166 |
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It's been tried in federal court many times |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-07-07 12:58 AM |
#171 |
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Thank you! |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:03 AM |
#175 |
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I have a suggestion or two |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-06-07 11:43 PM |
#137 |
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OK so in a liberal state like Massachutsetts you can't over turn this? |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:55 PM |
#141 |
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No I don't expect miracles |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-07-07 12:05 AM |
#146 |
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Excuse me for not being as old as you...I'm only 40... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:19 AM |
#149 |
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Tell me... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:08 PM |
#72 |
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If you try to get some Federal pro gay marriage law passed |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:14 PM |
#76 |
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Ok... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:19 PM |
#81 |
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You need to begin to understand political reality... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:28 PM |
#88 |
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Way to make enemies! |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:39 PM |
#96 |
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I can't say "the gay community" but I can say you and other posters here |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:48 PM |
#104 |
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Excuse me? |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:54 PM |
#108 |
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Yes it is. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:57 PM |
#112 |
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Well when you believe... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 11:00 PM |
#114 |
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No one was "telling" others - just expressing my opinion |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:07 PM |
#116 |
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No? |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 11:13 PM |
#119 |
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Putting words in my mouth again...n/t |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:14 PM |
#121 |
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Really? |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 11:19 PM |
#126 |
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You shan't get one because you did not read the quote apparently |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:31 PM |
#133 |
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Well then... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 11:35 PM |
#134 |
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Look in the mirror... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:52 PM |
#140 |
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ROFLMAO |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:06 AM |
#147 |
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Again you are hallucinating in place of listening.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:22 AM |
#150 |
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I tell ya what... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:31 AM |
#153 |
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I didn't start the insults here... I just respond... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:33 AM |
#156 |
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So you keep saying... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:40 AM |
#159 |
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I don't see it...I've certainly taken quite a lot of arrows |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:43 AM |
#161 |
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Guilty parties never see it! |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:49 AM |
#164 |
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OK...that explains the "mate" then... silly me... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:55 AM |
#168 |
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San Fran... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:59 AM |
#172 |
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I get that I really do... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:09 AM |
#177 |
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Don't believe for a moment... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 01:19 AM |
#184 |
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And Lincoln didn't run on an anti-slavery platform |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 08:57 PM |
#32 |
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i thought i saw this non sequitur |
sniffa |
Jun-06-07 09:05 PM |
#36 |
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Hey, you're right! |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-06-07 09:08 PM |
#38 |
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how odd |
sniffa |
Jun-06-07 09:09 PM |
#39 |
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Hahahah. Alright. |
LBJDemocrat |
Jun-06-07 09:35 PM |
#52 |
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Living proof of the old adage: |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-07-07 12:26 AM |
#152 |
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I see |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-06-07 09:09 PM |
#40 |
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NO he didn't say that, nor did I... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:19 PM |
#46 |
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You keep speaking of gay marriage "states" |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-06-07 09:43 PM |
#57 |
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Just the same, the states are the strategy HRC employs. |
mondo joe |
Jun-06-07 09:51 PM |
#63 |
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And that still leaves 6 states doesn't it? |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:53 PM |
#64 |
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BINGO!!! |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-06-07 11:12 PM |
#118 |
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Oh brother...what a misrepresentation of my post...n/t |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:16 PM |
#122 |
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You're as transparent as cellophane |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-06-07 11:21 PM |
#128 |
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Ahh when in doubt call names....hmmm.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:57 PM |
#142 |
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Oh there's no doubt about it. |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-07-07 12:01 AM |
#144 |
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Then why the hell do you keep replying? |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:23 AM |
#151 |
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if that is how you want to frame it |
sniffa |
Jun-06-07 09:03 PM |
#35 |
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No he never said that, you put those words in his mouth. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:11 PM |
#41 |
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no, that's what's happening here |
sniffa |
Jun-06-07 09:13 PM |
#43 |
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Well good luck my friend because you don't have the cards to back it up.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:16 PM |
#45 |
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weLL, good Luck my friend |
sniffa |
Jun-06-07 09:22 PM |
#47 |
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It will hurt you far more than me... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:37 PM |
#55 |
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Ask yourself this question: |
flvegan |
Jun-06-07 09:31 PM |
#49 |
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What a load of crap... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:43 PM |
#58 |
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Jun-06-07 09:47 PM |
#61 |
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No we control it by a razor margin...apparently you can't read?? |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:55 PM |
#65 |
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Not this shit again. n/t |
Jamastiene |
Jun-06-07 09:39 PM |
#56 |
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Oh please, not this SHIT again. |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-06-07 10:31 PM |
#90 |
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I think you have the wrong quote up. |
Connie_Corleone |
Jun-06-07 08:28 PM |
#9 |
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The quote was sent to me as the example of the issue |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 08:31 PM |
#11 |
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Then it gets worse in the follow up. |
Buck Rabbit |
Jun-06-07 09:44 PM |
#59 |
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Putting unspoken words into Edwards mouth that he never said.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:57 PM |
#66 |
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Read both quotes, questions and followups again |
Buck Rabbit |
Jun-06-07 10:22 PM |
#85 |
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No, I think it means he can recognize that he is not God |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:32 PM |
#93 |
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I understand his political position on this. |
Buck Rabbit |
Jun-06-07 10:49 PM |
#106 |
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I was given the quote by an Edwards objector which |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:10 PM |
#117 |
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I'm surprised that you can be shown the new quote without changing your opinion on whether outrage.. |
JVS |
Jun-06-07 10:41 PM |
#99 |
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why? Because I can recognize that people can have |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:14 PM |
#120 |
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There can never be a complete separation |
wtmusic |
Jun-06-07 09:36 PM |
#54 |
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that's just your opinion, not a fact... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 09:58 PM |
#67 |
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Banning abortion couldn't have happened during the Clinton administration |
wtmusic |
Jun-06-07 11:21 PM |
#129 |
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I don't know thatwas true in 1995... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:59 PM |
#143 |
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As a gay man, I have little issue with Edwards on this matter - but you're confused |
mondo joe |
Jun-06-07 09:23 PM |
#48 |
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Thanks and I would agree that marriage is the ultimate goal. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:04 PM |
#69 |
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Frankly, I don't care much about hetero couples in this scenario. If they want |
mondo joe |
Jun-06-07 10:08 PM |
#71 |
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True but it gives you an ally to get the message passed.. |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:17 PM |
#78 |
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I'm fine with the political advantage of it. But I'm not prepared to feel anything about it |
mondo joe |
Jun-06-07 10:20 PM |
#83 |
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OK... I'm not asking you to "feel" anything about it... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:24 PM |
#86 |
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Understood. |
mondo joe |
Jun-06-07 10:31 PM |
#91 |
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Quit Acting Like We're Trying to Steal Your Holy Thing... |
Madspirit |
Jun-06-07 09:59 PM |
#68 |
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Well you have a problem then... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:11 PM |
#73 |
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Straight People Don't Get to Decide |
Madspirit |
Jun-06-07 10:04 PM |
#70 |
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I still get to express MY opinion over whether I believe your anger is justified |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:13 PM |
#74 |
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Way to win people over to your side |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:16 PM |
#77 |
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Get over yourself already... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:18 PM |
#79 |
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Excuse me... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:31 PM |
#92 |
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Yes you DID - "Straight people don't get to decide"... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:36 PM |
#94 |
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Exactly what has... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:42 PM |
#100 |
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I have ALL THE RIGHT INTHE WORLD TO EXPRESS MY OPINION |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 11:17 PM |
#124 |
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Mate... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 11:26 PM |
#130 |
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That last sentence doesn't even make sense... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:04 AM |
#145 |
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Are you capable... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:10 AM |
#148 |
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Of course... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:56 AM |
#169 |
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Then... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 01:01 AM |
#173 |
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not a problem... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:10 AM |
#179 |
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Misplaced outrage, huh? |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:13 PM |
#75 |
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Oh give it a rest... only YOU have a free speech right? |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:20 PM |
#82 |
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Why don't you give it a rest? |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:27 PM |
#87 |
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NO - you DIDN'T give answers, just more ANGER... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:30 PM |
#89 |
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Excuse me... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:44 PM |
#103 |
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I have explained to you why I think you are reading far too much into it. |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:45 AM |
#162 |
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Mate... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:51 AM |
#165 |
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Let's see if I understand this situation? |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:01 AM |
#174 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-07-07 01:08 AM |
#176 |
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Well were you INVOLVED in American politics??? |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:23 AM |
#186 |
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I did what I could... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 01:29 AM |
#193 |
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Nope - I've been to 17 countries on 5 continents but Austrailia is |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:36 AM |
#202 |
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And if you think... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 01:44 AM |
#212 |
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Of course it's misplaced |
ZombyWoof |
Jun-06-07 10:19 PM |
#80 |
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Well I'm about done "reasoning" for this evening... |
ddeclue |
Jun-06-07 10:22 PM |
#84 |
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Yea, I know what you mean. That uppity Martin Luther King |
cboy4 |
Jun-06-07 10:38 PM |
#95 |
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Hysterical, even. |
Harvey Korman |
Jun-06-07 10:49 PM |
#105 |
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Actually you don't seem to know much about it do you? |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:32 AM |
#154 |
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Actually, I do know much about it. |
cboy4 |
Jun-07-07 01:11 AM |
#180 |
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Yeah? Does that graphic change any of the historical facts I stated? |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:26 AM |
#190 |
| -
Well... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-06-07 10:57 PM |
#111 |
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Hmm...what makes you think I have a "messiah" complex? |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:35 AM |
#157 |
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Nope! |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 12:54 AM |
#167 |
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???? What??? Last sentence makes no sense to me... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:58 AM |
#170 |
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I explained it... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 01:13 AM |
#181 |
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Well you can call me stupid then... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:27 AM |
#192 |
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Don't tempt me! n/t |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 01:33 AM |
#200 |
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OK....as you please... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:37 AM |
#204 |
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What he said was not helpful. It was a hedge. |
rucky |
Jun-06-07 10:40 PM |
#98 |
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Neither Edwards nor I feel "laissez faire" about it |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:37 AM |
#158 |
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"rights delayed are rights denied" |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 12:33 AM |
#155 |
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This is true but there is also: |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 12:40 AM |
#160 |
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Ok, I am going to be blunt: |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 12:45 AM |
#163 |
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No it's not.... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:14 AM |
#182 |
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Doesn't matter--you still HAVE the choice to exercise your privileges |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:22 AM |
#185 |
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As a real world matter they are... |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:29 AM |
#194 |
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No, you shouldn't "have" to back rights with votes |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:31 AM |
#196 |
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Laws are passed by voters. |
ddeclue |
Jun-07-07 01:40 AM |
#208 |
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And the laws have to be in line with the constiution |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:42 AM |
#209 |
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Hey, WRX... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-07-07 01:24 AM |
#188 |
| -
yo Sappocrat, mad hugs to ya! |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:25 AM |
#189 |
| -
This argument will go nowhere... |
whoneedstickets |
Jun-07-07 01:09 AM |
#178 |
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And you're such an expert on the subject... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-07-07 01:18 AM |
#183 |
| -
Name calling, profanity and threats... |
whoneedstickets |
Jun-07-07 01:27 AM |
#191 |
| -
Hahahahahaha! |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jun-07-07 01:32 AM |
#197 |
| -
Show me... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-07-07 01:34 AM |
#201 |
| -
Ok.. |
whoneedstickets |
Jun-07-07 01:38 AM |
#205 |
| -
Of course the community is demanding equal social status |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:24 AM |
#187 |
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Well, consider the source of what he's quoting... |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-07-07 01:31 AM |
#195 |
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Wow. |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:33 AM |
#199 |
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Is the map not true? Because isn't that what he brought from the site? |
JVS |
Jun-07-07 01:44 AM |
#213 |
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I'm suggesting that we understand the difference |
whoneedstickets |
Jun-07-07 01:32 AM |
#198 |
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Thanks for proving my point. |
Sapphocrat |
Jun-07-07 01:37 AM |
#203 |
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Then Tell me what it was about... |
whoneedstickets |
Jun-07-07 01:39 AM |
#207 |
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here's my dig: |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:39 AM |
#206 |
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300 posts in two years and it took this to inspire you to comment? |
Bluebear |
Jun-07-07 01:42 AM |
#210 |
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same ol' bullshit huh? |
WindRavenX |
Jun-07-07 01:44 AM |
#211 |
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Yeah, we will just wait for "society's opinion to change" for our rights. |
Bluebear |
Jun-07-07 01:45 AM |
#214 |
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Locking. |
pinto |
Jun-07-07 01:47 AM |
#215 |
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