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| 83. I'd still take him over Hillary |
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I think he's nutty on many issues (Libertarianism isn't a realistic answer to the health care crisis, for example). But I agree with him on two very big things: 1) protecting personal liberty, and 2) foriegn policy. I'd love to see him, as President, battling with a Democratic Congress. It would completely change the way we frame the debate in this country, and in the end they would flush out some truth, peace, prosperity, and a few practical solutions to go along with it.
He's right on so much:
1) ending the federal deficit 2) against torture 3) agaist aggressive war 4) for protecting The Constitution 5) legalizing drugs 6) getting beaurocracy out of the schools 7) breaking up the Department of Homeland Security 8) cutting military spending 9) helping small business 10) pro-peace 11) anti-WTO
I'm sure I've left out some *big ones*. His one flawed assumption is that the free market fixes all. this approach doesn't address the reality of a corporate-controlled world. But he has some points there as well...that the biggest problems with corporations is when they get protective treatment from the government. He wants to keep the market open and free from the meddling of politicians.
Anyway, I'm cheering for him and think I might vote for him over some of the Democratic alternatives.
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| -Ron Paul believes there is a war on Christmas, denies there is a seperation of church and state |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 06:25 PM |
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And yet many here at DU sing his praises |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jun-06-07 06:27 PM |
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I know that is why I felt I had to post this |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 06:31 PM |
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We already KNOW how crazy Ron Paul is |
jmowreader |
Jun-07-07 02:37 AM |
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Cue the Paulist cheerleaders. I'm with you; Paul isn't just a Libertarian, |
blondeatlast |
Jun-06-07 06:29 PM |
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Thank you. |
Bluebear |
Jun-07-07 01:06 AM |
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I heard him on a talk show the other day |
tbyg52 |
Jun-07-07 06:11 AM |
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No, if he were a normal, pro-choice, pro gay rights & separation of church & state libertarian |
impeachdubya |
Jun-07-07 12:03 PM |
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Another moran who needs people to tell him "Merry Christmas" because |
muntrv |
Jun-06-07 06:34 PM |
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He needs people to tell him "Happy Holidays" so he can get batshit |
blondeatlast |
Jun-06-07 06:43 PM |
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You both are |
zidzi |
Jun-06-07 09:00 PM |
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Actually |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-06-07 06:40 PM |
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I notice you did not quote the Constitution |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 06:46 PM |
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They've cherry-picked the Bible, now it's time to do the same on the Constitution. |
blondeatlast |
Jun-06-07 06:49 PM |
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They are not even cherry picking, they are just making things up |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 07:22 PM |
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True that. nt |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 08:04 AM |
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Most Americans have very low religious literacy |
ikojo |
Jun-07-07 06:17 AM |
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The Declaration of Independence is not just a historical document |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-06-07 07:34 PM |
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It doesn't matter what it is the basis of, it is not the Constitution |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 07:48 PM |
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It's not "just a historical document" |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-06-07 08:40 PM |
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You were the one that quoted the Declaration of Independence as if it were part of the Constitution |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 09:55 PM |
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Huh? "legally binding document " |
FreeMeFromInsanity |
Jun-07-07 12:35 AM |
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The Declaration shows the spirit in which the Constitution was written |
treestar |
Jun-07-07 11:06 AM |
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Oh okay, since you've declared yourself to be an expert |
Downtown Hound |
Jun-07-07 03:50 AM |
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Oh really? |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jun-07-07 08:09 AM |
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So where, PRECISELY, is the "faith" in the Constitution? |
impeachdubya |
Jun-07-07 12:04 PM |
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Fine, The Declaration of Independence |
qdemn7 |
Jun-06-07 08:45 PM |
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Where did I write that there was a right to not be offended? |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 08:52 PM |
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I feel like |
Gelliebeans |
Jun-07-07 03:54 AM |
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You're obviously one of "those" types. |
impeachdubya |
Jun-07-07 12:28 PM |
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My sentiments are well expressed by your phrasing |
truedelphi |
Jun-07-07 01:32 AM |
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"some die hard extreme liberals I know" |
impeachdubya |
Jun-07-07 12:23 PM |
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What the Sam Hell High Holy Philadelphia F*** are you talking about? |
impeachdubya |
Jun-07-07 12:21 PM |
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You should google James Madison and the Separation of Church and State |
Marnieworld |
Jun-07-07 02:26 PM |
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The only reference to God... |
krispos42 |
Jun-07-07 04:16 AM |
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The Declaration of Independence is not the Constitution. |
Marr |
Jun-06-07 07:25 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-07-07 12:38 AM |
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"The faith...is therefore implied in the Constitution" |
Hong Kong Cavalier |
Jun-07-07 11:29 AM |
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The Declaration of Independence is nothing more than a position paper amid the havoc of war |
PurityOfEssence |
Jun-07-07 12:01 PM |
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The appeal of Ron Paul |
CrazyForKucinich |
Jun-06-07 06:51 PM |
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Have you ever looked at Ron Paul's positions on corporate power? |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 06:56 PM |
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Paul is getting some positive response |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-06-07 07:17 PM |
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But he also opposes corporatism & corporate welfare |
MindPilot |
Jun-06-07 07:28 PM |
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Maybe he doesn't support corporate welfare, but he does support the right of corporations to kill |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 07:43 PM |
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I'm not supporting him, |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-06-07 07:46 PM |
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I think Paul's point is that... |
info being |
Jun-07-07 10:45 AM |
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I completely agree with your take... |
info being |
Jun-07-07 10:43 AM |
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No he doesn't want to fuck up the world, he just wants to fuck up our country. nt |
Javaman |
Jun-07-07 11:16 AM |
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A bit of a tangent, but I have NEVER got the outrage over "Happy Holidays" |
nonconformist |
Jun-06-07 07:11 PM |
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Holiday comes from Holy Day and the holy days we celebrate in the west are Christian. n/t |
pingzing58 |
Jun-06-07 10:56 PM |
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Unless you're not a Christian |
Chulanowa |
Jun-07-07 03:32 AM |
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I would almost agree. I would replace "myth" with "tradition". |
LanternWaste |
Jun-07-07 12:43 PM |
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By "myth", I was referring to this bogus War on Christmas crap. |
nonconformist |
Jun-07-07 01:26 PM |
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He can be so lucid about the war, but he's still a bigot. |
jazzjunkysue |
Jun-06-07 07:16 PM |
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On Ed Schultz, Ed couldn't get him to answer the question about abortion |
zbdent |
Jun-06-07 07:22 PM |
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I thought I heard him say he was absolutely pro life on C-SPAN |
chknltl |
Jun-07-07 02:19 AM |
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That has been his voting record (he gets a 0% from NARAL.) nt |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 08:06 AM |
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If Paul can pull a Perot 3rd party and split the GOP vote come Nov 08 |
Wiley50 |
Jun-06-07 07:35 PM |
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I would love to see him do that! |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-06-07 07:47 PM |
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and we would have 8 more years of how fill-in-the-blank Dem |
zbdent |
Jun-07-07 08:25 AM |
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So what? |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-08-07 02:00 PM |
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Sadly it seems more Democrats are supporting him than Republicans right now |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 07:50 PM |
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I'm not seeing that |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-06-07 08:00 PM |
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You don't even have to leave DU, sadly he has quite a bit of support among many here |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-06-07 08:17 PM |
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I appreciate the threads, but |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-06-07 08:29 PM |
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I think he'll pull more Dems than Reps votes--many of the DU threads |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 08:38 AM |
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Perot took votes equally from Clinton and Bush |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-07-07 02:31 PM |
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So do the ultra catholic supreme court justices approved by the dems. |
gulfcoastliberal |
Jun-06-07 07:49 PM |
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I don't believe the Democrats running for President approved Scalia |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-07-07 02:34 PM |
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If anyone here supports Ron Paul they need to be shown the door. |
ourbluenation |
Jun-06-07 08:20 PM |
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Keep the nation divided |
FreeMeFromInsanity |
Jun-07-07 12:48 AM |
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that's a stretch. this is the democratic underground. go sell ron paul somewhere else. n/t |
ourbluenation |
Jun-07-07 10:03 AM |
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sorry, I was just about to post a reasoned analysis... |
info being |
Jun-07-07 10:26 AM |
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He's a nut |
Marie26 |
Jun-06-07 08:34 PM |
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Use him |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-06-07 08:45 PM |
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Oh how I hate this "War on Xmas" bullshit. |
EOO |
Jun-06-07 08:53 PM |
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try and reflect on those who do feel persecuted |
mediawatch |
Jun-07-07 07:15 AM |
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Thought I wouldn't have to see all this for another few months, lol. |
spoony |
Jun-07-07 08:09 AM |
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start early |
mediawatch |
Jun-07-07 08:40 AM |
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I have to admit that I found him interesting |
diamidue |
Jun-06-07 08:57 PM |
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he was against FEMA wow cool(FEMA blocked aid for Katrina and EPA lied about the air at ground zero) |
CGowen |
Jun-07-07 03:14 AM |
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Reality Check |
Crisco |
Jun-06-07 08:58 PM |
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heh heh, and to think he's possibly the best i have to vote for in my primary... |
NuttyFluffers |
Jun-06-07 09:36 PM |
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California has a closed primary |
trashcanistanista |
Jun-08-07 01:48 PM |
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He's nothing but good for Democrats |
TheFarseer |
Jun-06-07 11:26 PM |
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He's a trip -- and thanks for revealing his bit of crazy. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-07-07 12:50 AM |
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I can't believe a Congressman thinks |
Onceuponalife |
Jun-07-07 01:01 AM |
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We see the face of what's wrong with libertarianism |
GeneCosta |
Jun-07-07 02:29 AM |
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Well said... |
aaronbees |
Jun-07-07 03:11 AM |
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You don't support his ideas when it comes to.... |
info being |
Jun-07-07 10:33 AM |
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Its too bad we have to choose between two imperfect sides |
info being |
Jun-07-07 10:31 AM |
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I believe the issue with Ron Paul |
nathan hale |
Jun-07-07 03:49 AM |
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I like Ron Paul |
krispos42 |
Jun-07-07 04:07 AM |
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"he largely is a Democratic voice on the podium." |
tjwash |
Jun-07-07 10:26 AM |
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*snort* LOL |
krispos42 |
Jun-07-07 11:59 AM |
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These are the money quotes they'll use to tear him down. |
Bucky |
Jun-08-07 02:03 PM |
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Nuts! |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-07-07 04:25 AM |
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OK, he's not a nut case.... |
silverback |
Jun-07-07 05:48 AM |
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He's not too smart. |
Iris |
Jun-07-07 06:01 AM |
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I've said it before and I'll say it one more again! |
Hubert Flottz |
Jun-07-07 06:14 AM |
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
Bosso 63 |
Jun-07-07 06:32 AM |
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I've never been impressed with him. |
Maestro |
Jun-07-07 08:06 AM |
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I do find his use of the word 'Yuletide' to be amusing though... |
DarkTirade |
Jun-07-07 08:07 AM |
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The only way that you are going to make that arguement of separation |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jun-07-07 08:09 AM |
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Paul's 'popularity' is based soley on one, single issue...Iraq |
Norquist Nemesis |
Jun-07-07 08:52 AM |
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But what scares me is that he's seemed to garner a tremendous amount of support |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 10:46 AM |
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I think what people are drawn to is that he speaks truth and honesty |
info being |
Jun-07-07 11:02 AM |
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You want truth and honesty? Here ya go... |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 11:16 AM |
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You're so blinded by Party loyalty that you can't see my point |
info being |
Jun-07-07 12:41 PM |
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Well, I'm not in the least blinded by party loyalty... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-07-07 01:53 PM |
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He's a pure Libertarian |
info being |
Jun-07-07 03:04 PM |
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I take your point. Go back to Daddy Bush's first Iraq war |
truedelphi |
Jun-08-07 01:34 PM |
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What I find humorous about these nut bags |
Nunyabiz |
Jun-07-07 09:07 AM |
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Even more fun is the "war on Easter". Another pagan holiday, centered around fertility (eggs) and |
impeachdubya |
Jun-07-07 12:16 PM |
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It's even named for a pagan goddess - Eostre |
geardaddy |
Jun-07-07 03:52 PM |
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If Christians can't win ... |
Everybody |
Jun-07-07 09:47 AM |
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Ron Paul's greatest hits... |
tjwash |
Jun-07-07 10:24 AM |
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This needs it's own thread, I would happily recommend it. |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 10:48 AM |
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I'd still take him over Hillary |
info being |
Jun-07-07 10:24 AM |
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Protecting personal liberty? His voting record says quite the opposite; anti-gay and anti-woman. |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 10:30 AM |
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There's a lot more to personal liberty than abortion |
info being |
Jun-07-07 10:40 AM |
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You won't sell me on this loony. Don't waste your time. |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 10:43 AM |
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Then you need to be at Freeperland. He's a complete racist, sexist, anti-choice |
jobycom |
Jun-07-07 10:52 AM |
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I agree with you on those points |
info being |
Jun-07-07 11:01 AM |
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Fair enough. :) |
jobycom |
Jun-07-07 11:25 AM |
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You should know the snake before you put it in your pocket |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Jun-07-07 11:41 AM |
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I don't see much there that scares me |
info being |
Jun-07-07 12:46 PM |
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Well... |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Jun-07-07 01:59 PM |
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There's a lot there and elsewhere that scares me... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-07-07 02:00 PM |
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I think you took a wrong turn. I don't like Hillary, but she does have the D after her name. |
blondeatlast |
Jun-07-07 02:28 PM |
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Not too many deal-breakers for me in the land of politics... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-08-07 03:06 PM |
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Are you mistaking deserved praise for an anti-war stance... |
Orsino |
Jun-07-07 10:36 AM |
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Ah, more "libertarianism" from this fraud. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-07-07 12:26 PM |
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Ron Paul is a kernel of corn |
IChing |
Jun-07-07 12:28 PM |
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Well, fuck Ron Paul. I thought he was OK until I read this. Thanks |
BornagainDUer |
Jun-07-07 02:41 PM |
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I find it interesting that so few of us have been exposed to Libertarian thought |
info being |
Jun-07-07 03:06 PM |
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Thanks for the reminder n/t |
Synnical |
Jun-07-07 09:00 PM |
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Written by Paul on December 30, 2003 |
brentspeak |
Jun-07-07 09:12 PM |
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3 1/2 years is not very long ago |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-07-07 11:01 PM |
#131 |