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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:25 AM
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60. Nuts!
In the UK, schoolchildren do Nativity plays and make Christmas decorations - AND do the equivalent for the festivals of some other religions. They are expected to learn about several different world religions. Would the warriors-for-Christmas accept that?

And for most people, the modern Christmas isn't a religious celebration anyway. I haven't met any 'secular leftists' who think that Christmas should be banned, though I know quite a few who are exasperated by all the commercialism.

There WAS a real 'war on Christmas' in Britain over 300 years ago, but it wasn't waged by secularists: Christmas celebrations were banned by Cromwell's Puritan government, because they were perceived by the Puritans as pagan and not in accord with true Christian doctrine!
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  -Ron Paul believes there is a war on Christmas, denies there is a seperation of church and state MN Against Bush  Jun-06-07 06:25 PM   #0 
  - And yet many here at DU sing his praises  GreenPartyVoter   Jun-06-07 06:27 PM   #1 
  - I know that is why I felt I had to post this  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 06:31 PM   #3 
     - We already KNOW how crazy Ron Paul is  jmowreader   Jun-07-07 02:37 AM   #51 
  - Cue the Paulist cheerleaders. I'm with you; Paul isn't just a Libertarian,  blondeatlast   Jun-06-07 06:29 PM   #2 
  - Thank you.  Bluebear   Jun-07-07 01:06 AM   #47 
  - I heard him on a talk show the other day  tbyg52   Jun-07-07 06:11 AM   #63 
  - No, if he were a normal, pro-choice, pro gay rights & separation of church & state libertarian  impeachdubya   Jun-07-07 12:03 PM   #106 
  - Another moran who needs people to tell him "Merry Christmas" because  muntrv   Jun-06-07 06:34 PM   #4 
  - He needs people to tell him "Happy Holidays" so he can get batshit  blondeatlast   Jun-06-07 06:43 PM   #6 
  - You both are  zidzi   Jun-06-07 09:00 PM   #37 
  - Actually  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-06-07 06:40 PM   #5 
  - I notice you did not quote the Constitution  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 06:46 PM   #7 
  - They've cherry-picked the Bible, now it's time to do the same on the Constitution.  blondeatlast   Jun-06-07 06:49 PM   #8 
  - They are not even cherry picking, they are just making things up  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 07:22 PM   # 
  - True that. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 08:04 AM   #68 
  - Most Americans have very low religious literacy  ikojo   Jun-07-07 06:17 AM   #65 
  - The Declaration of Independence is not just a historical document  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-06-07 07:34 PM   #17 
  - It doesn't matter what it is the basis of, it is not the Constitution  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 07:48 PM   #22 
  - It's not "just a historical document"  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-06-07 08:40 PM   #30 
  - You were the one that quoted the Declaration of Independence as if it were part of the Constitution  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 09:55 PM   #39 
  - Huh? "legally binding document "  FreeMeFromInsanity   Jun-07-07 12:35 AM   #42 
  - The Declaration shows the spirit in which the Constitution was written  treestar   Jun-07-07 11:06 AM   #98 
  - Oh okay, since you've declared yourself to be an expert  Downtown Hound   Jun-07-07 03:50 AM   #56 
  - Oh really?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Jun-07-07 08:09 AM   #73 
  - So where, PRECISELY, is the "faith" in the Constitution?  impeachdubya   Jun-07-07 12:04 PM   #107 
  - Fine, The Declaration of Independence  qdemn7   Jun-06-07 08:45 PM   #31 
     - Where did I write that there was a right to not be offended?  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 08:52 PM   #33 
     - I feel like  Gelliebeans   Jun-07-07 03:54 AM   #57 
     - You're obviously one of "those" types.  impeachdubya   Jun-07-07 12:28 PM   #112 
     - My sentiments are well expressed by your phrasing  truedelphi   Jun-07-07 01:32 AM   #48 
     - "some die hard extreme liberals I know"  impeachdubya   Jun-07-07 12:23 PM   #110 
     - What the Sam Hell High Holy Philadelphia F*** are you talking about?  impeachdubya   Jun-07-07 12:21 PM   #109 
  - You should google James Madison and the Separation of Church and State  Marnieworld   Jun-07-07 02:26 PM   #121 
  - The only reference to God...  krispos42   Jun-07-07 04:16 AM   #59 
  - The Declaration of Independence is not the Constitution.  Marr   Jun-06-07 07:25 PM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-07-07 12:38 AM   #43 
  - "The faith...is therefore implied in the Constitution"  Hong Kong Cavalier   Jun-07-07 11:29 AM   #102 
  - The Declaration of Independence is nothing more than a position paper amid the havoc of war  PurityOfEssence   Jun-07-07 12:01 PM   #105 
  - The appeal of Ron Paul  CrazyForKucinich   Jun-06-07 06:51 PM   #9 
  - Have you ever looked at Ron Paul's positions on corporate power?  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 06:56 PM   #10 
  - Paul is getting some positive response  trashcanistanista   Jun-06-07 07:17 PM   #13 
  - But he also opposes corporatism & corporate welfare  MindPilot   Jun-06-07 07:28 PM   #16 
  - Maybe he doesn't support corporate welfare, but he does support the right of corporations to kill  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 07:43 PM   #19 
  - I'm not supporting him,  trashcanistanista   Jun-06-07 07:46 PM   #20 
  - I think Paul's point is that...  info being   Jun-07-07 10:45 AM   #92 
  - I completely agree with your take...  info being   Jun-07-07 10:43 AM   #91 
  - No he doesn't want to fuck up the world, he just wants to fuck up our country. nt  Javaman   Jun-07-07 11:16 AM   #100 
  - A bit of a tangent, but I have NEVER got the outrage over "Happy Holidays"  nonconformist   Jun-06-07 07:11 PM   #11 
  - Holiday comes from Holy Day and the holy days we celebrate in the west are Christian. n/t  pingzing58   Jun-06-07 10:56 PM   #40 
  - Unless you're not a Christian  Chulanowa   Jun-07-07 03:32 AM   #54 
  - I would almost agree. I would replace "myth" with "tradition".  LanternWaste   Jun-07-07 12:43 PM   #115 
     - By "myth", I was referring to this bogus War on Christmas crap.  nonconformist   Jun-07-07 01:26 PM   #117 
  - He can be so lucid about the war, but he's still a bigot.  jazzjunkysue   Jun-06-07 07:16 PM   #12 
  - On Ed Schultz, Ed couldn't get him to answer the question about abortion  zbdent   Jun-06-07 07:22 PM   #14 
  - I thought I heard him say he was absolutely pro life on C-SPAN  chknltl   Jun-07-07 02:19 AM   #49 
     - That has been his voting record (he gets a 0% from NARAL.) nt  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 08:06 AM   #70 
  - If Paul can pull a Perot 3rd party and split the GOP vote come Nov 08  Wiley50   Jun-06-07 07:35 PM   #18 
  - I would love to see him do that!  trashcanistanista   Jun-06-07 07:47 PM   #21 
  - and we would have 8 more years of how fill-in-the-blank Dem  zbdent   Jun-07-07 08:25 AM   #75 
     - So what?  trashcanistanista   Jun-08-07 02:00 PM   #134 
  - Sadly it seems more Democrats are supporting him than Republicans right now  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 07:50 PM   #24 
  - I'm not seeing that  trashcanistanista   Jun-06-07 08:00 PM   #25 
  - You don't even have to leave DU, sadly he has quite a bit of support among many here  MN Against Bush   Jun-06-07 08:17 PM   #26 
     - I appreciate the threads, but  trashcanistanista   Jun-06-07 08:29 PM   #28 
  - I think he'll pull more Dems than Reps votes--many of the DU threads  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 08:38 AM   #76 
  - Perot took votes equally from Clinton and Bush  Hippo_Tron   Jun-07-07 02:31 PM   #123 
  - So do the ultra catholic supreme court justices approved by the dems.  gulfcoastliberal   Jun-06-07 07:49 PM   #23 
  - I don't believe the Democrats running for President approved Scalia  Hippo_Tron   Jun-07-07 02:34 PM   #124 
  - If anyone here supports Ron Paul they need to be shown the door.  ourbluenation   Jun-06-07 08:20 PM   #27 
  - Keep the nation divided  FreeMeFromInsanity   Jun-07-07 12:48 AM   #44 
  - that's a stretch. this is the democratic underground. go sell ron paul somewhere else. n/t  ourbluenation   Jun-07-07 10:03 AM   #81 
  - sorry, I was just about to post a reasoned analysis...  info being   Jun-07-07 10:26 AM   # 
  - He's a nut  Marie26   Jun-06-07 08:34 PM   #29 
  - Use him  trashcanistanista   Jun-06-07 08:45 PM   #32 
  - Oh how I hate this "War on Xmas" bullshit.  EOO   Jun-06-07 08:53 PM   #34 
  - try and reflect on those who do feel persecuted  mediawatch   Jun-07-07 07:15 AM   #67 
  - Thought I wouldn't have to see all this for another few months, lol.  spoony   Jun-07-07 08:09 AM   #72 
     - start early  mediawatch   Jun-07-07 08:40 AM   #77 
  - I have to admit that I found him interesting  diamidue   Jun-06-07 08:57 PM   #35 
  - he was against FEMA wow cool(FEMA blocked aid for Katrina and EPA lied about the air at ground zero)  CGowen   Jun-07-07 03:14 AM   #53 
  - Reality Check  Crisco   Jun-06-07 08:58 PM   #36 
  - heh heh, and to think he's possibly the best i have to vote for in my primary...  NuttyFluffers   Jun-06-07 09:36 PM   #38 
  - California has a closed primary  trashcanistanista   Jun-08-07 01:48 PM   #133 
  - He's nothing but good for Democrats  TheFarseer   Jun-06-07 11:26 PM   #41 
  - He's a trip -- and thanks for revealing his bit of crazy.  AtomicKitten   Jun-07-07 12:50 AM   #45 
  - I can't believe a Congressman thinks  Onceuponalife   Jun-07-07 01:01 AM   #46 
  - We see the face of what's wrong with libertarianism  GeneCosta   Jun-07-07 02:29 AM   #50 
  - Well said...  aaronbees   Jun-07-07 03:11 AM   #52 
  - You don't support his ideas when it comes to....  info being   Jun-07-07 10:33 AM   #87 
  - Its too bad we have to choose between two imperfect sides  info being   Jun-07-07 10:31 AM   #86 
  - I believe the issue with Ron Paul  nathan hale   Jun-07-07 03:49 AM   #55 
  - I like Ron Paul  krispos42   Jun-07-07 04:07 AM   #58 
  - "he largely is a Democratic voice on the podium."  tjwash   Jun-07-07 10:26 AM   #84 
     - *snort* LOL  krispos42   Jun-07-07 11:59 AM   #104 
     - These are the money quotes they'll use to tear him down.  Bucky   Jun-08-07 02:03 PM   #135 
  - Nuts!  LeftishBrit   Jun-07-07 04:25 AM   #60 
  - OK, he's not a nut case....  silverback   Jun-07-07 05:48 AM   #61 
  - He's not too smart.  Iris   Jun-07-07 06:01 AM   #62 
  - I've said it before and I'll say it one more again!  Hubert Flottz   Jun-07-07 06:14 AM   #64 
  - Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  Bosso 63   Jun-07-07 06:32 AM   #66 
  - I've never been impressed with him.  Maestro   Jun-07-07 08:06 AM   #69 
  - I do find his use of the word 'Yuletide' to be amusing though...  DarkTirade   Jun-07-07 08:07 AM   #71 
  - The only way that you are going to make that arguement of separation  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-07-07 08:09 AM   #74 
  - Paul's 'popularity' is based soley on one, single issue...Iraq  Norquist Nemesis   Jun-07-07 08:52 AM   #78 
  - But what scares me is that he's seemed to garner a tremendous amount of support  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 10:46 AM   #93 
     - I think what people are drawn to is that he speaks truth and honesty  info being   Jun-07-07 11:02 AM   #97 
        - You want truth and honesty? Here ya go...  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 11:16 AM   #99 
           - You're so blinded by Party loyalty that you can't see my point  info being   Jun-07-07 12:41 PM   #114 
              - Well, I'm not in the least blinded by party loyalty...  LeftishBrit   Jun-07-07 01:53 PM   #118 
              - He's a pure Libertarian  info being   Jun-07-07 03:04 PM   #126 
              - I take your point. Go back to Daddy Bush's first Iraq war  truedelphi   Jun-08-07 01:34 PM   #132 
  - What I find humorous about these nut bags  Nunyabiz   Jun-07-07 09:07 AM   #79 
  - Even more fun is the "war on Easter". Another pagan holiday, centered around fertility (eggs) and  impeachdubya   Jun-07-07 12:16 PM   #108 
     - It's even named for a pagan goddess - Eostre  geardaddy   Jun-07-07 03:52 PM   #128 
  - If Christians can't win ...  Everybody   Jun-07-07 09:47 AM   #80 
  - Ron Paul's greatest hits...  tjwash   Jun-07-07 10:24 AM   #82 
  - This needs it's own thread, I would happily recommend it.  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 10:48 AM   #94 
  - I'd still take him over Hillary  info being   Jun-07-07 10:24 AM   #83 
  - Protecting personal liberty? His voting record says quite the opposite; anti-gay and anti-woman.  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 10:30 AM   #85 
  - There's a lot more to personal liberty than abortion  info being   Jun-07-07 10:40 AM   #89 
     - You won't sell me on this loony. Don't waste your time.  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 10:43 AM   #90 
  - Then you need to be at Freeperland. He's a complete racist, sexist, anti-choice  jobycom   Jun-07-07 10:52 AM   #95 
  - I agree with you on those points  info being   Jun-07-07 11:01 AM   #96 
     - Fair enough. :)  jobycom   Jun-07-07 11:25 AM   #101 
  - You should know the snake before you put it in your pocket  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-07-07 11:41 AM   #103 
  - I don't see much there that scares me  info being   Jun-07-07 12:46 PM   #116 
     - Well...  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-07-07 01:59 PM   #119 
     - There's a lot there and elsewhere that scares me...  LeftishBrit   Jun-07-07 02:00 PM   #120 
     - I think you took a wrong turn. I don't like Hillary, but she does have the D after her name.  blondeatlast   Jun-07-07 02:28 PM   #122 
  - Not too many deal-breakers for me in the land of politics...  LanternWaste   Jun-08-07 03:06 PM   #136 
  - Are you mistaking deserved praise for an anti-war stance...  Orsino   Jun-07-07 10:36 AM   #88 
  - Ah, more "libertarianism" from this fraud.  Unvanguard   Jun-07-07 12:26 PM   #111 
  - Ron Paul is a kernel of corn  IChing   Jun-07-07 12:28 PM   #113 
  - Well, fuck Ron Paul. I thought he was OK until I read this. Thanks  BornagainDUer   Jun-07-07 02:41 PM   #125 
  - I find it interesting that so few of us have been exposed to Libertarian thought  info being   Jun-07-07 03:06 PM   #127 
  - Thanks for the reminder n/t  Synnical   Jun-07-07 09:00 PM   #129 
  - Written by Paul on December 30, 2003  brentspeak   Jun-07-07 09:12 PM   #130 
     - 3 1/2 years is not very long ago  MN Against Bush   Jun-07-07 11:01 PM   #131 
 

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