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24HRrnr Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:13 PM
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59. Thank you
An interesting topic, lots of reasoned debate (mostly).

Appreciate it.
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  -How do you define working class? ikojo  Jun-04-07 08:56 PM   #0 
  - Some would say "working class" is as much a state of mind as of money...  ret5hd   Jun-04-07 09:01 PM   #1 
  - There is no such thing as a gentleman.  Matsubara   Jun-05-07 07:40 PM   #76 
     - Yeah, I agree.  ret5hd   Jun-05-07 08:19 PM   #85 
  - Is he paid by the hour?  Kansas Wyatt   Jun-04-07 09:01 PM   # 
  - See, there's another way to look at it.  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 09:07 PM   #14 
     - sometimes it seems to me that salaried people  hfojvt   Jun-04-07 09:50 PM   #44 
  - Anyone who needs to cash their check the day they receive it. n/t  Mojambo   Jun-04-07 09:01 PM   #2 
  - Well, I don't need to cash mine the day I get it  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 09:12 PM   #22 
     - Yeah, you're right.  Mojambo   Jun-04-07 09:16 PM   #26 
  - working class folk have to take their shower *AFTER* work  AZDemDist6   Jun-04-07 09:02 PM   #3 
  - So, you define working class by "physical labor," as in  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 09:09 PM   #16 
     - broadly yes. folks who work in offices are usually middle or professional  AZDemDist6   Jun-04-07 09:36 PM   #40 
     - I haven't seen that to be the case.  Matsubara   Jun-05-07 07:43 PM   #78 
     - You could say that, but electricians & plumbers make better money than most white-collars...  Matsubara   Jun-05-07 07:42 PM   #77 
  - What's the opposite of working class?  napi21   Jun-04-07 09:02 PM   #4 
  - If you have to work everyday to earn a paycheck to survive,..........  Double T   Jun-04-07 09:02 PM   #5 
  - I See Some People Say This Yet For The Life Of Me Can't Find A Single Reputable Source That Defines  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-04-07 09:12 PM   #21 
  - Well excuse me!...............  Double T   Jun-04-07 09:19 PM   #28 
     - We're Talking About American Definitions Here.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-04-07 09:25 PM   #29 
     - My friend does not accept this definition...he kept on  ikojo   Jun-04-07 09:31 PM   #35 
     - Well There's Theoretics And There's Actual Classes.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-04-07 09:35 PM   #38 
        - A lot of white collar jobs are hourly and low-paid.  Matsubara   Jun-05-07 07:46 PM   #79 
     - American definition?  Double T   Jun-04-07 09:42 PM   #42 
        - a definition that makes Michael Jordan and Katie Couric and I  hfojvt   Jun-04-07 10:01 PM   #45 
     - Poorly, but its from Marx, so what else should we expect  Solo_in_MD   Jun-04-07 10:55 PM   #57 
        - Perhaps 'WE' shouldn't be so concerned about defining classes.......  Double T   Jun-05-07 02:09 AM   #66 
           - I.m not, you might want t take that up with the OP  Solo_in_MD   Jun-05-07 04:43 PM   #67 
              - Agreed. Great response. Thanks.  Double T   Jun-05-07 04:49 PM   #68 
  - Middle class people live paycheck to paycheck too  gollygee   Jun-05-07 05:32 PM   #70 
  - Sounds upper middle class, not working class.  Rex   Jun-04-07 09:03 PM   #6 
  - I agree with you, Rex,...during our discussion  ikojo   Jun-04-07 09:10 PM   #18 
  - Same here, my livelihood depends on a paycheck every two weeks.  Rex   Jun-04-07 09:16 PM   #25 
  - I think if you can choose to work or not work, you are not working class.  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 09:18 PM   #27 
  - lower middle is household income of $18,500 - $34,738  hfojvt   Jun-04-07 10:29 PM   #47 
  - except that I make $10,000 a year  hfojvt   Jun-04-07 10:12 PM   #46 
     - I think you'd still technically be part of the leisure class if you didn't work.  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 10:50 PM   #53 
     - then technically the homeless are in the leisure class too  hfojvt   Jun-04-07 11:55 PM   #64 
     - I've saved money up in a savings and needed it  Rex   Jun-04-07 10:56 PM   #58 
        - I did not say it was wise or sustainable  hfojvt   Jun-04-07 11:47 PM   #62 
           - More people live paycheck to paycheck today. They don't invest  Rex   Jun-04-07 11:51 PM   #63 
  - "working class" to me means roughly the same as "blue collar". PhD's  lectrobyte   Jun-04-07 09:03 PM   #7 
  - Technically, anyone who earns a paycheck on which his or her living expenses depend  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 09:04 PM   #8 
  - Well, his wife doesn't work in an office  ikojo   Jun-04-07 09:15 PM   #23 
     - Does she have no office or room she works out of  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 09:26 PM   #30 
        - She trains teachers on how to work with  ikojo   Jun-04-07 09:29 PM   #33 
  - We should all be so "working class". n/t  elocs   Jun-04-07 09:05 PM   #9 
  - Anyone who  Raine   Jun-04-07 09:05 PM   #10 
  - by their tastes  Rabrrrrrr   Jun-04-07 09:05 PM   #11 
  - Wow! By my count, that's at least a triple-edged comment  JeffR   Jun-04-07 09:07 PM   #15 
     - Thanks!  Rabrrrrrr   Jun-04-07 09:10 PM   #17 
        - Yeah  JeffR   Jun-04-07 09:16 PM   #24 
  - If he identifies with working people making much less, I say we let him in  JeffR   Jun-04-07 09:06 PM   #12 
  - Anyone who has to suck ass to keep a job so they can live is working class  lonestarnot   Jun-04-07 09:06 PM   #13 
  - Though It's A Bit Open To Interpretation, In America The Most Accepted And Popular One Would Be  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-04-07 09:11 PM   #19 
  - I might have an unusual perspective on that one....  mike_c   Jun-04-07 09:11 PM   #20 
  - Congratulations on your success!  ikojo   Jun-04-07 09:28 PM   #31 
  - no, but I'd be REALLY interested in making those contacts....  mike_c   Jun-04-07 09:38 PM   #41 
  - Now THAT is a good example of what I mean.  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 09:31 PM   #36 
  - WOW! You are an inspiration! You are working class with lots of extra Class!  DianaForRussFeingold   Jun-04-07 09:44 PM   #43 
  - I don't. Supposedly rigid definitions are the provenance of rigid minds.  BlooInBloo   Jun-04-07 09:28 PM   #32 
  - Working Class are the "proletariat", comrade!  haele   Jun-04-07 09:30 PM   #34 
  - Wow. I'm part of the bourgeoisie.  BerryBush   Jun-04-07 10:54 PM   #55 
  - Anyone who lives paycheck to paycheck  NOLALady   Jun-04-07 09:33 PM   #37 
  - No, he simply thinks of himself as  ikojo   Jun-04-07 09:35 PM   #39 
  - anyone can live paycheck to paycheck  hfojvt   Jun-04-07 10:43 PM   #50 
  - well, yeah, problem with that definition is that it can include people making $200k or more a year  ComerPerro   Jun-04-07 10:33 PM   #48 
  - A rule of thumb is to ask: would you rather be unable to invest or unable to work  JVS   Jun-04-07 10:51 PM   #54 
     - well, maybe not in some cases. But its hard to come up with a uniform definition  ComerPerro   Jun-04-07 10:55 PM   #56 
  - Socioculturally, or economically?  Jed Dilligan   Jun-04-07 10:42 PM   #49 
  - Can he set up business on his own? Teachers generally cannot these days, lawyers and doctors can...  JVS   Jun-04-07 10:47 PM   #51 
  - Anyone who lives off their OWN labors instead of the labors of others.  TahitiNut   Jun-04-07 10:49 PM   #52 
  - Thank you  24HRrnr   Jun-04-07 11:13 PM   #59 
  - Easy: Somebody who primarily relies on hourly wages instead of residual income  Selatius   Jun-04-07 11:24 PM   #60 
  - There isn't a clear cut definition for working class  gravity   Jun-04-07 11:44 PM   #61 
  - They are working class if they don't have another source  Cleita   Jun-05-07 12:02 AM   #65 
  - One of you is talking about economic class, and the other is talking about social class.  hedgehog   Jun-05-07 05:26 PM   #69 
  - I define it by what will happen if you lose your job  geniph   Jun-05-07 05:58 PM   #71 
  - Personally I define it as the class which cannot save.  Matsubara   Jun-05-07 06:43 PM   #72 
  - Working class? It depends on several factors:  LWolf   Jun-05-07 07:14 PM   #73 
  - dupe  Odin2005   Jun-05-07 07:38 PM   #74 
  - The distinction between "middle" and "working" class is somewhat muddled nowdays.  Odin2005   Jun-05-07 07:40 PM   #75 
  - My definition is WHO pays you. Working class is when you are being payed by  conspirator   Jun-05-07 07:57 PM   #80 
  - it's hard because  cory817   Jun-05-07 08:03 PM   #81 
  - Anyone who sells their labor...up to a point  MindPilot   Jun-05-07 08:07 PM   #82 
  - Yearly income and type of work/education required to do that work and the options available  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jun-05-07 08:09 PM   #83 
  - Working class  Jim4Wes   Jun-05-07 08:10 PM   #84 

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