| 121. Win at all cost. Toss the irrelevant left overboard. |
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This is what you want for '08? Sounds like what we've got right now.
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| -Gravel, Dodd, Kucinich all irrelevant, step out and reduce dilution |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 09:00 PM |
#0 |
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Dodd's leadership on the Iraq Supplemental Bill is hardly irrelevant |
pstans |
Jun-03-07 09:02 PM |
#1 |
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You are a poster child for the clueless party operatives - signed - irrelevant leftie |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 09:03 PM |
#2 |
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Hear, hear! |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Jun-03-07 09:04 PM |
#3 |
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Hey, Count, thanks for turning the thread into a excuse for pointless insults. |
Bucky |
Jun-03-07 09:06 PM |
#8 |
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Two quotes by you. |
Forkboy |
Jun-03-07 09:09 PM |
#13 |
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Yeah, I get this way when war is considered a "strategy". |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 09:10 PM |
#14 |
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Talk about the clueless serial Democratic candidate attacker calling the pot black!!! |
Czolgosz |
Jun-03-07 09:07 PM |
#10 |
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Nicely said! |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jun-03-07 09:13 PM |
#18 |
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Ditto |
earthside |
Jun-03-07 09:21 PM |
#27 |
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Glad to oblige, someone has to do it. nm |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 09:37 PM |
#44 |
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Indeed. nm |
dicksteele |
Jun-03-07 09:22 PM |
#29 |
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Word! The opportunity to hear these voices speak out is valuable. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-03-07 09:25 PM |
#34 |
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they're not the only ones who ultimately should leave |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 09:33 PM |
#40 |
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There's that worn out meme again |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Jun-03-07 09:42 PM |
# |
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It's a cliche because it's true. |
TheWraith |
Jun-04-07 04:54 PM |
#157 |
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Thank You! |
alittlelark |
Jun-03-07 10:10 PM |
#78 |
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I agree with losing Gravel. He's just being a snarky old dude. |
Bucky |
Jun-03-07 09:04 PM |
#4 |
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Without the "snarky old dude" you'd all be drafted and shipped where W wanted ya |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 09:06 PM |
#9 |
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He did? I thought it was Uncle Milt. |
hfojvt |
Jun-03-07 09:14 PM |
#19 |
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Gravel struck the killing blow in the Draft. |
MiltonF |
Jun-03-07 10:01 PM |
#66 |
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speak of the devil |
hfojvt |
Jun-03-07 10:53 PM |
#111 |
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Before I enlisted, the first question everyone asked me was... |
MiltonF |
Jun-04-07 01:54 AM |
#129 |
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Gravel says he "ended the draft". |
SOS |
Jun-04-07 06:43 PM |
#159 |
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While I do agree with Kucinich I also agree with you that |
Echotrail |
Jun-04-07 06:42 AM |
#137 |
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This whole process started way too early. |
evlbstrd |
Jun-03-07 09:04 PM |
#5 |
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Gimme a break. Kucinich is necessary. |
graywarrior |
Jun-03-07 09:05 PM |
#6 |
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Ted Koppel, is that you? |
dweller |
Jun-03-07 09:05 PM |
#7 |
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Hmm, I thought maybe Tweety...but Ted is no less clueless. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 09:08 PM |
#11 |
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Sounds more like Harold to me. |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Jun-03-07 09:08 PM |
#12 |
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Sorry but they are NOT irrelevant. |
Desertrose |
Jun-03-07 09:12 PM |
#15 |
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Well said, friend! |
LWolf |
Jun-03-07 09:23 PM |
#32 |
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The "winnowing out" is called the primaries. |
Matsubara |
Jun-03-07 09:12 PM |
#16 |
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This debate happens every four years |
MonkeyFunk |
Jun-03-07 09:13 PM |
#17 |
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Would that be the irrelevant left that got Democrats into majority? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-03-07 09:14 PM |
#20 |
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you misspelled "disgusted moderate voters" |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 09:42 PM |
#49 |
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You may be right. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-03-07 09:47 PM |
#55 |
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Then why did so many lefties win primaries over the party favorites? |
jgraz |
Jun-04-07 04:51 AM |
#132 |
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Kucinich is right about pretty much everything (nm) |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Jun-03-07 09:14 PM |
#21 |
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Everything. |
lonestarnot |
Jun-03-07 09:19 PM |
#24 |
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not on bin laden.. bin laden isn't a world leader, and he called an attack on him |
still_one |
Jun-03-07 09:23 PM |
#31 |
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Technically wrong but logically right |
camero |
Jun-03-07 09:31 PM |
#38 |
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Perhaps, but that position would never be accepted by most people in the U.S. |
still_one |
Jun-03-07 09:35 PM |
#41 |
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Unfortunately you're most likely correct |
camero |
Jun-03-07 09:40 PM |
#46 |
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He should have just said that trying to assasinate a single person with a missile is stupid. |
Solon |
Jun-03-07 10:31 PM |
#92 |
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It worked on that sheik |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:41 PM |
#102 |
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Why don't we just nuke the shit out of these countries... |
Solon |
Jun-03-07 10:45 PM |
#107 |
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no, but firing a rocket from a helicopter at a terrorist sheik in a wheelchair |
dusmcj |
Jun-04-07 01:34 AM |
#126 |
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Word. I'm pretty sure that, this cycle, I'm not voting for... |
Tesha |
Jun-04-07 07:16 AM |
#138 |
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Primary voters and donations will do the "winnowing out" |
eleny |
Jun-03-07 09:16 PM |
#22 |
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Generally, it is considered smart to wait for a primary |
realpolitik |
Jun-03-07 09:18 PM |
#23 |
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Kucinich Is "The Firebrand" Against The War & I Agree With Most Of |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-03-07 09:20 PM |
#25 |
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Why let the MSM decide who you vote for in the primaries? |
MadHound |
Jun-03-07 10:36 PM |
#97 |
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YOU Seem To Be Missing My Point. I've Made My Decision About |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 08:50 AM |
#143 |
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So, in other words, you are will to continue being a slave to corporate MSM |
MadHound |
Jun-04-07 09:44 AM |
#146 |
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I'm Well Aware Of What Corporations Are Doing... If It Were Left Up |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 02:53 PM |
#151 |
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mighty nice of you to say who should and shouldn't be in he debates /nt |
still_one |
Jun-03-07 09:20 PM |
#26 |
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they can be in the debates, I'm suggesting they leave the campaign. |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 09:46 PM |
#53 |
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You want to winnow? Ok! |
LWolf |
Jun-03-07 09:21 PM |
#28 |
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Excellent! Beautifully said! |
scarletwoman |
Jun-03-07 10:37 PM |
#100 |
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They say popular things no one else says; HOW IS THAT IRRELEVANT? |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 09:22 PM |
#30 |
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but I want relevant, not popular. This is not a fucking beauty contest |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 09:53 PM |
#61 |
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If it's not a beauty contest why are Hillary Obama and Edwards running? |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 10:08 PM |
#75 |
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Oh but it is. A corporate beauty contest to see which whore can give them the best... |
arendt |
Jun-03-07 10:11 PM |
#80 |
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content-free voices don't help that condition |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:35 PM |
#96 |
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You have no idea what you're talking about. |
Tesha |
Jun-04-07 09:12 AM |
#144 |
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Better yet – lose Clinton, favor Kucinich, and pray Gore runs again. |
SnoopDog |
Jun-03-07 09:24 PM |
#33 |
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I'd so like to see a Kucinich Presidency |
mvd |
Jun-03-07 09:31 PM |
#39 |
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Everybody, it seems, is afraid of doing the right thing... |
SnoopDog |
Jun-03-07 09:55 PM |
#62 |
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I Agree With You. I'd Rather Listen To Real Candidates As Well. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-03-07 09:28 PM |
#35 |
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Same here |
question everything |
Jun-03-07 09:40 PM |
#48 |
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Realistic is the key word |
Quixote1818 |
Jun-03-07 09:53 PM |
#60 |
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What's your rush? Hmmmmm? |
annabanana |
Jun-03-07 09:28 PM |
#36 |
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oh fucking yawn |
sniffa |
Jun-03-07 09:28 PM |
#37 |
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So, you are against peace? That is what DK is running on. |
Steve_DeShazer |
Jun-03-07 09:35 PM |
#42 |
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Agree with you. DK must stay. |
Hardrada |
Jun-03-07 09:42 PM |
#50 |
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That's why it's the John F. Kennedy special warfare school |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:03 PM |
#70 |
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Okay, so you are against peace. |
Steve_DeShazer |
Jun-03-07 10:10 PM |
#79 |
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this from the guy who signed off |
northzax |
Jun-03-07 11:21 PM |
#122 |
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That's what primaries are for. |
WilliamPitt |
Jun-03-07 09:37 PM |
#43 |
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I think Biden and Richardson add nothing to the debate, but I wouldn't exclude them because that's |
Czolgosz |
Jun-03-07 09:38 PM |
#45 |
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Biden DID add public campaign financing today though! |
calipendence |
Jun-03-07 09:51 PM |
#59 |
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Aw, come on............ |
Byronic |
Jun-04-07 07:51 AM |
#142 |
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As a member of the "irrelevant left", I'll be happy to step aside & let you have the Dems to yrself. |
scarletwoman |
Jun-03-07 09:40 PM |
#47 |
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kinda funny how irrlevant we are till the centrists are begging for us to vote |
KG |
Jun-03-07 09:44 PM |
#52 |
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Yep....you said it... true...but with all that money and hopes of Repug and Indie turnout for Dems |
KoKo01 |
Jun-03-07 09:50 PM |
#58 |
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the dem party has spent the last 25 years trying to get repugs to vote for them, then acted |
KG |
Jun-03-07 09:59 PM |
#65 |
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Word on that. But this time I fully intend to remain "irrelevant". |
scarletwoman |
Jun-03-07 09:58 PM |
#64 |
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rock on, sistah. going back to voting my hopes instead my fears. |
KG |
Jun-03-07 10:15 PM |
#84 |
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LOL! |
Echotrail |
Jun-04-07 07:18 AM |
#139 |
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I'll be happy to stay home on election day too. |
libnnc |
Jun-04-07 12:13 AM |
#124 |
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Gravel, Dennis and Dodd are a waste of space and time on the debates. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 09:44 PM |
#51 |
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Why? |
Steve_DeShazer |
Jun-03-07 09:49 PM |
#57 |
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True, only Wall Street's candidates should get to compete |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 10:42 PM |
#104 |
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Careful, we've heavily criticized the Repubs treatment of Ron Paul... |
calipendence |
Jun-03-07 09:46 PM |
#54 |
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a first round of winnowing out? We're still seven months from the Iowa Caucus |
fishwax |
Jun-03-07 09:48 PM |
#56 |
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Maybe more debates might be better. We do own the airwaves, right? |
Peggy Day |
Jun-03-07 09:58 PM |
#63 |
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Gravel, Dodd, Kucinich should drop out? |
thethinker |
Jun-03-07 10:02 PM |
#67 |
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I'm expressing my opinion that they will shortly start decreasing Dem effectiveness |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:08 PM |
#76 |
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OK, how about a deal, since the left is "irrelevent" why don't we sit out this election... |
Solon |
Jun-03-07 10:23 PM |
#87 |
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That's precisely what I plan to do. I figure, no harm - since I'm irrelevant anyway, right? (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Jun-03-07 10:34 PM |
#94 |
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Exactly, and then, when they turn around and bitch about us costing them the election... |
Solon |
Jun-03-07 10:37 PM |
#98 |
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I don't have truck with anyone who claims the left lost the Dems '00 and '04 |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:55 PM |
#112 |
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If you actually believed that, then you directly contradict your own OP... |
Solon |
Jun-03-07 11:11 PM |
#119 |
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My goal is to WIN in '08, not to "win." |
LWolf |
Jun-04-07 06:38 AM |
#136 |
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Our goal isn't to "win" an election. Our goal is to RESTORE AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. |
Tesha |
Jun-04-07 07:43 AM |
#140 |
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Yes the solution is to go with Option A or Option A. |
MiltonF |
Jun-03-07 10:02 PM |
#68 |
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LOL!!! |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-04-07 09:44 AM |
#145 |
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(shrug) They already don't get much time. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-03-07 10:03 PM |
#69 |
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Kucinich is the best candidate we have. |
DemBones DemBones |
Jun-03-07 10:04 PM |
#71 |
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I'm with you on that. |
klook |
Jun-03-07 10:08 PM |
#74 |
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Kucinich was great tonight being interviewed by Paula Zahn, too. |
DemBones DemBones |
Jun-04-07 08:04 PM |
#163 |
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So how do you propose they be eliminated? |
klook |
Jun-03-07 10:06 PM |
#72 |
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Why don't we behead them?! |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 10:09 PM |
#77 |
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you want to win in 2008, or you want to have a philosophy colloqium ? |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:24 PM |
#88 |
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The fascists always use fear mongering to suppress free speech |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 10:42 PM |
#103 |
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if your speech isn't useful, you've wasted your freedom and made hot air. nt |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:57 PM |
#113 |
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Actually, I want my country back. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-04-07 09:45 AM |
#147 |
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Well, I guess you aren't in the Puritan Branch of the Party, then. |
nealmhughes |
Jun-03-07 10:07 PM |
#73 |
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Trotskyites are poster children for the irrelevant wing of the left. |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:19 PM |
#85 |
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40 hr work week, minimum wage, Social Security, Progressive taxation |
camero |
Jun-03-07 10:25 PM |
#89 |
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the labor movement might be a little offended |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:39 PM |
#101 |
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Actually you're the one doing the comparing |
camero |
Jun-03-07 10:43 PM |
#105 |
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Dude, you don't know history, the "irrelevent left" WERE the labor unions! |
Solon |
Jun-03-07 10:49 PM |
#108 |
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yes and most of what passes for 'radical' these days doesn't hold a candle to them |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 11:01 PM |
#115 |
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Uhm, what the fuck do you call the WTO protests in Seattle almost 10 years ago now... |
Solon |
Jun-03-07 11:09 PM |
#116 |
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Well, I saw a one-man band leading a llama on Jane Street in 1986. |
nealmhughes |
Jun-03-07 11:10 PM |
#118 |
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Yes, let's try to limit debate as much as possible. |
ClassWarrior |
Jun-03-07 10:13 PM |
#81 |
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Politics as usual |
johnnie |
Jun-03-07 10:13 PM |
#82 |
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There are also quite a few 'long time' DUers that are irrelevant |
alittlelark |
Jun-03-07 10:14 PM |
#83 |
| -
ooh, the dollar is the currency of political discourse after all |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:21 PM |
#86 |
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I'm not sure which of us is more effective. |
alittlelark |
Jun-03-07 10:31 PM |
#91 |
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Our WORLD would be a better place if any of these 3 men took office |
GeneCosta |
Jun-03-07 10:29 PM |
#90 |
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Irrelevant left |
tavalon |
Jun-03-07 10:32 PM |
#93 |
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Sounds like we need to make a t-shirt of this one... |
calipendence |
Jun-03-07 10:34 PM |
#95 |
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You succeed in being scary and I'll applaud. |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 10:37 PM |
#99 |
| -
Ah yes, time to comfort the corporatista wing of the Democratic party. |
MadHound |
Jun-03-07 10:44 PM |
#106 |
| -
do you claim that all the remainder are corporatista candidates ? |
dusmcj |
Jun-03-07 11:10 PM |
#117 |
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Go look at who has contributed to their campaigns |
MadHound |
Jun-03-07 11:20 PM |
#120 |
| -
harm if the winnable candidates can't start fighting the Repubs |
dusmcj |
Jun-04-07 01:29 AM |
#125 |
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That's just lame, so very lame |
MadHound |
Jun-04-07 06:37 AM |
#135 |
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Kucinich is the only candidate with the integrity to say what needs to be said. |
Doremus |
Jun-03-07 10:50 PM |
#109 |
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Let the voters decide who's in or out. |
Jim Sagle |
Jun-03-07 10:52 PM |
#110 |
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Dodd shouldnt step out |
hnmnf |
Jun-03-07 11:01 PM |
#114 |
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Win at all cost. Toss the irrelevant left overboard. |
magellan |
Jun-03-07 11:20 PM |
#121 |
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Kucinich is irrelevant? |
flvegan |
Jun-03-07 11:29 PM |
#123 |
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Kucinich and the truth - irrelevant in America |
upi402 |
Jun-04-07 01:38 AM |
#127 |
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Kucinich doesnt represent the truth. |
hnmnf |
Jun-04-07 01:46 AM |
#128 |
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Hm. |
WilliamPitt |
Jun-04-07 09:48 AM |
#148 |
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BEING RIGHT ALL ALONG = UNREALISTIC, IN CORPORATE MEDIA AMERICA |
upi402 |
Jun-04-07 05:12 PM |
#158 |
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That is a great summary of Kucinich |
DemReadingDU |
Jun-05-07 06:19 AM |
#164 |
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Sorry, but your post is BS, based on false premises. |
AnOhioan |
Jun-04-07 04:06 AM |
#130 |
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It's way too early to winnow anything. |
Skidmore |
Jun-04-07 04:48 AM |
#131 |
| -
That's great. |
Ariana Celeste |
Jun-04-07 04:52 AM |
#133 |
| -
Maybe we should "winnow" candidates who are out of step with the 70% majority |
jgraz |
Jun-04-07 04:57 AM |
#134 |
| -
In two out of three cases NYT agrees with you |
seemslikeadream |
Jun-04-07 07:50 AM |
#141 |
| -
Once a poster says "irrelevent left" and "trotskyite" |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Jun-04-07 09:52 AM |
#149 |
| -
Yeah, they are such bad liars only republican voters could buy it. |
cooolandrew |
Jun-04-07 03:03 PM |
#153 |
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Thanks for giving me something new... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-04-07 11:03 AM |
#150 |
| -
I think Gravel was a lot weaker this time round, but Kucinich was bang on message. |
cooolandrew |
Jun-04-07 03:01 PM |
#152 |
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Kucinich rocked he had the perfect solutions, he is the way forward. |
cooolandrew |
Jun-04-07 03:04 PM |
#154 |
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Loose translation |
Aya Reiko |
Jun-04-07 03:17 PM |
#155 |
| -
Agreed. |
TheWraith |
Jun-04-07 04:48 PM |
#156 |
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One small problem with that. |
LWolf |
Jun-04-07 06:56 PM |
#162 |
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you like your pablum straight |
Enrique |
Jun-04-07 06:49 PM |
#160 |
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Although I believe they don't have a chance I disagree that they must quit now. |
ddeclue |
Jun-04-07 06:50 PM |
#161 |
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Bite me. How long is it before |
mmonk |
Jun-05-07 06:21 AM |
#165 |
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