You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #104: I'm a bit disappointed about that fact that, although I've praised him for the good things that he [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. I'm a bit disappointed about that fact that, although I've praised him for the good things that he
has done, as soon as I point out that he's acting like an asshole in one case or another, all of a sudden I'm not a Loyal Liberal anymore, or worse, that I'm a Paid Mole, according to some DUers. I got that same treatment for pointing out some time back that calling another world leader "Satan" (even though he may indeed be) at the UN is not a very statesmanlike thing to do.

But I don't care. I'll praise him for doing good stuff, but I still reserve the right to point out when he's stepping on his dick.

Anyone who doesn't like it, doesn't HAVE to like it.

Redstone
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -DUers vote 131-to-1 against censorship, but Chavez is /for/ it! LoZoccolo  Jun-02-07 06:19 PM   #0 
  - ding ding ding!  mike_c   Jun-02-07 06:22 PM   #1 
  - "the DUer is going to extrapolate this information to disapproval...  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-07 08:20 PM   #64 
  - Bravo sir.......or maam.........well done  sanskritwarrior   Jun-02-07 06:22 PM   #2 
  - I don't like the popcorn guy, but I can't resist  rockymountaindem   Jun-02-07 06:22 PM   #3 
  - no butter please :-) -Does anyone care that the Courts have limited the interpretation of these laws  papau   Jun-02-07 06:48 PM   #23 
     - A very fine distinction,  Codeine   Jun-02-07 06:50 PM   #26 
        - I don't like making being polite a law - but it is not as bad as folks are posting, is it? :-) n/t  papau   Jun-02-07 08:14 PM   #60 
           - So,  Codeine   Jun-02-07 08:30 PM   #67 
              - No - but it is not quite a silencing of the media. The U.S. Sedition Act and Espionage Act sucked.  papau   Jun-02-07 08:40 PM   #70 
                 - Fair enough. nt  Codeine   Jun-02-07 08:47 PM   #73 
  - Isn't that what Fox News tells us about criticizing Bush?  Cleita   Jun-02-07 06:22 PM   #4 
  - Indeed Chavez is less socialist and more businessman than I would wish - but he is a great  papau   Jun-02-07 06:54 PM   #30 
  - you might wanna link to that poll nt  DireStrike   Jun-02-07 06:22 PM   #5 
  - Indeed link it  sanskritwarrior   Jun-02-07 06:23 PM   #6 
  - Sorry! It's there now. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 06:24 PM   #8 
  - Viva Zoccolo!  Codeine   Jun-02-07 06:24 PM   #7 
  - Viva Zoccolo...........  sanskritwarrior   Jun-02-07 06:27 PM   #10 
     - Heh heh...self-delete...second thoughts about this one.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 06:33 PM   #16 
  - So is this a new law or an old law?  Kagemusha   Jun-02-07 06:24 PM   #9 
  - It was passed around March 2005. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 06:28 PM   #11 
  - Old and new law which is limited by Court interpretation - saying Chavez screwed up is OK, but  papau   Jun-02-07 06:51 PM   #29 
     - "Screwed up"??!!  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:11 PM   #33 
        - ...The meaning you cite is a third meaning, not one of the 2 cited by the other poster  Kagemusha   Jun-02-07 07:39 PM   #47 
  - that's because your question was loaded  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-02-07 06:31 PM   #12 
  - Sour Grapes.......  sanskritwarrior   Jun-02-07 06:31 PM   #13 
  - But this isn't aboooout the coup!  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 06:34 PM   #17 
  - ah  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-02-07 07:14 PM   #35 
     - Me too.  OilemFirchen   Jun-02-07 07:24 PM   #37 
     - Heres you go.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:33 PM   #43 
        - Uh, no.  OilemFirchen   Jun-02-07 07:41 PM   #49 
        - lol thanks for pointing that out  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-02-07 07:46 PM   #53 
        - Go find one that suits you.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:53 PM   #56 
        - thanks  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-02-07 07:43 PM   #51 
     - Venezuelan penal code, coming right up!  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:32 PM   #42 
  - Not really.  Codeine   Jun-02-07 06:45 PM   #22 
  - no... it does  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-02-07 07:24 PM   #36 
  - Advocating the violent overthrow of the government is sedition in any country I know of.  TahitiNut   Jun-02-07 07:13 PM   #34 
     - I have another thread that I posted about the TV station.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:29 PM   #39 
        - Yeah ... they're so tough on 'dissent' that the rumors about 50,000 protesters ...  TahitiNut   Jun-02-07 07:43 PM   #50 
  - OK--Chavez is wrong.  Jackpine Radical   Jun-02-07 06:32 PM   #14 
  - How come Chevez gets more attention here than Darfur?  gatorboy   Jun-02-07 06:32 PM   #15 
  - Chavez is hopeful. Darfur horrifying. That's my guess. (n/t)  IndyOp   Jun-02-07 06:37 PM   #19 
  - How many people on DU are in support of the Darfur genocide?  originalpckelly   Jun-02-07 06:42 PM   #20 
  - Because about half of DU loves Chavez  Codeine   Jun-02-07 06:48 PM   #24 
  - because  MonkeyFunk   Jun-02-07 09:34 PM   #96 
  - how about the OP ignores this post  sniffa   Jun-02-07 11:56 PM   #137 
  - EXCELLENT question.  AZBlue   Jun-03-07 12:08 AM   #145 
  - It's a personality cult.  originalpckelly   Jun-02-07 06:36 PM   #18 
  - more important, what do the Venezuelan people think of him?  Enrique   Jun-02-07 06:45 PM   #21 
  - So what?  Nunyabiz   Jun-02-07 06:48 PM   #25 
  - LoZoccolo, your poll was actually  seasonedblue   Jun-02-07 06:50 PM   #27 
  - Ha, thanks for letting me know!  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 06:51 PM   #28 
  - Yah, Chavez/VZ law is definitely wrong here.  DireStrike   Jun-02-07 07:01 PM   #31 
  - But but but Chavez sh*ts chocolate! How can anyone criticize a man who sh*ts chocolate?!  DRoseDARs   Jun-02-07 07:07 PM   #32 
  - It's the uniform...  ellisonz   Jun-02-07 07:30 PM   #40 
  - It's really good chocolate, though.  Codeine   Jun-02-07 07:30 PM   #41 
  - My informal Chavez approval poll currently stands 87-70-5 in favor.  ellisonz   Jun-02-07 07:29 PM   #38 
  - Holy Joe worshippers have no credibility in my book, sorry.  Bonobo   Jun-02-07 07:33 PM   #44 
  - I'm not going to let you hijack this thread. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:34 PM   #45 
  - now that's an interesting tidbit!  ima_sinnic   Jun-02-07 09:04 PM   #83 
  - What's the current law?  OilemFirchen   Jun-02-07 07:36 PM   #46 
  - 6 to 30 months.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:40 PM   #48 
     - Sez who?  OilemFirchen   Jun-02-07 07:45 PM   #52 
        - Here's the penal code in the original Spanish.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:50 PM   #54 
           - US has a version&That is 2005 version - but it has the same laws we are discussing- which points  papau   Jun-02-07 08:50 PM   #75 
  - My poll was more accurately phrased than yours,but too controversial for DU.  Forkboy   Jun-02-07 07:51 PM   #55 
  - My poll is not about that.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 07:54 PM   #57 
  - No doubt the tyrannized Venezuelan electorate will vote out the "dictator"..  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-02-07 08:07 PM   #58 
  - These people are clearly oppressed.  Forkboy   Jun-02-07 08:13 PM   #59 
     - They're probably all on Fidel's payroll and taking orders from the Kremlin.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-02-07 08:19 PM   #62 
     - Being forced to wear body paint and red hats.  Crunchy Frog   Jun-02-07 08:55 PM   #77 
  - TWO minutes on google  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-07 08:18 PM   #61 
  - That's pretty lame.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 08:20 PM   #63 
  - How many laws are never enforced? How many people are in  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-07 08:31 PM   #68 
  - What kind of bullshit is that? Excuse me, but 871 doesn't say you can...  originalpckelly   Jun-02-07 10:59 PM   #118 
  - I don't post often but I do post when I am pissed..and this thread  angstlessk   Jun-02-07 08:22 PM   #65 
  - I do not even have a son.  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 08:29 PM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 09:12 PM   #90 
  - Well said. Viva Chavez!  Vidar   Jun-02-07 09:37 PM   #98 
  - You Rock LoZoccolo! What An Absolute Scumbag Dictator He Is. People Will Wake Up Soon Enough.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 08:32 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 09:05 PM   #85 
     - what you said ...  ima_sinnic   Jun-02-07 09:22 PM   #93 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 09:58 PM   #100 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 10:07 PM   #103 
           - My Opinion? No Genius, It Doesn't. It Has To Do With HIM.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 10:40 PM   #112 
              - More of your Pat Robertson quotes?..  Webster Green   Jun-02-07 11:11 PM   #127 
              - Yes. In Fact, Pat Robertson Is Right Here With Me. Wanna Say Hi?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 11:16 PM   #128 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-03-07 05:09 AM   #163 
  - When did everyone become so concerned about the level of freedom in Venezuela?  Crunchy Frog   Jun-02-07 08:45 PM   #71 
  - It's only an issue  Codeine   Jun-02-07 08:48 PM   #74 
  - Yes - since 1964, articulo 148 has been a part of the Venezuelan  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 08:45 PM   #72 
  - Thank you for this correction and your reply. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-07 08:59 PM   #78 
  - You're welcome.  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 09:04 PM   #84 
     - I'm not sure about Chavez either in the long term, but the  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-07 09:45 PM   #99 
     - I have my reservations about all of this too.  Forkboy   Jun-02-07 10:36 PM   #111 
        - :D  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 11:09 PM   #126 
  - So that fiend Chavez has been repressing the Venezuelan people since 1964?  Crunchy Frog   Jun-02-07 08:59 PM   #79 
  - Yah, he was 10 - busy little boy wasn't he?  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 09:01 PM   #80 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 09:02 PM   #81 
  - Yeah, what's ironic is that the same people who are accusing  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 09:07 PM   #86 
  - Nader is off the radar...someone here needs a new boogeyman.  Forkboy   Jun-02-07 09:08 PM   #88 
     - Is *that* what this is about? *sigh*  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 09:14 PM   #91 
     - exactly nt  Blue_Tires   Jun-02-07 10:11 PM   #105 
  - Where do you get that it's been there since 1964? n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 09:16 PM   #92 
  - From a link with historic information about Venezuelan legislation  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 09:28 PM   #94 
  - You should really try to go and check it out for yourself  jkg4peace   Jun-02-07 11:41 PM   #132 
  - Last I checked, he wasn't an American.  porphyrian   Jun-02-07 08:54 PM   #76 
  - When should we start the invasion?  Warren Stupidity   Jun-02-07 09:03 PM   #82 
  - why...that's just Delightful Lozoccolo Cheers  mitchum   Jun-02-07 09:07 PM   #87 
  - Seems to me that DU is about 50-50 in favor of / not in favor of Chavez.  Redstone   Jun-02-07 09:11 PM   #89 
  - come on my friend it is 65-35  IChing   Jun-02-07 09:30 PM   #95 
  - OK, thanks for letting me know. I was going by the posts I've read; didn't know there was a poll.  Redstone   Jun-02-07 09:34 PM   #97 
  - DU Polls Aren't Exactly Representative. Ya Know That Right?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 10:06 PM   #102 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 10:12 PM   #107 
        - Personal Attacks All You Got Bub? How Pathetic.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 10:42 PM   #113 
           - Your point is mute, Redstone asked and I gave him a poll  IChing   Jun-02-07 11:00 PM   #119 
              - Of Course My Point Is Mute. We're On A Message Board. No Volume Pal.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 11:07 PM   #124 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 11:57 PM   #138 
                    - You Need To Pay Attention.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-03-07 12:22 AM   #147 
  - It's A Start.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 10:03 PM   #101 
     - I'm a bit disappointed about that fact that, although I've praised him for the good things that he  Redstone   Jun-02-07 10:09 PM   #104 
     - Chavez didn't get rid of a law that's been on the books since 1964  eridani   Jun-02-07 10:20 PM   #109 
        - How about some perspective that I can like some things that a politican does, and not like  Redstone   Jun-02-07 10:25 PM   #110 
        - I agree but the way I see it  IChing   Jun-02-07 11:32 PM   #131 
        - Excuse me, but if he's really committed to a democratic revolution...  originalpckelly   Jun-02-07 11:02 PM   #121 
           - And he ought to encourage them to repeal the anti-abortion laws too  eridani   Jun-03-07 02:14 AM   #162 
     - And such blind opposition...  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 11:54 PM   #135 
        - You'll See.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-02-07 11:58 PM   #139 
           - Except, I'm, by my own words, (see my other posts) not cultish,  Cerridwen   Jun-03-07 12:07 AM   #143 
              - Did You Read Something Wrong?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-03-07 12:25 AM   #149 
                 - Nope. And twice is "multiple", I'll grant you.  Cerridwen   Jun-03-07 12:46 AM   #152 
                    - So You Didn't Get It Then. Ok.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-03-07 01:05 AM   #156 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 10:12 PM   #106 
  - It's been around since 1964  eridani   Jun-02-07 10:17 PM   #108 
  - Chavez didn't pass that law, the National Assembly did  jkg4peace   Jun-02-07 10:42 PM   #114 
  - Remember all those "good" things that were going to come from his decree power?  LoZoccolo   Jun-02-07 10:56 PM   #116 
  - Remember all the good things that were going to come to us when we elected Dems to office.  Forkboy   Jun-02-07 10:59 PM   #117 
  - ooh, touche'  sniffa   Jun-03-07 12:00 AM   #141 
  - And yet entirely cutting off funding was never promised by any candidate.  LoZoccolo   Jun-03-07 09:07 AM   #166 
  - Doesn't making the law less severe count as "good"?  eridani   Jun-02-07 11:00 PM   #120 
  - Wow! You mean he didn't go crazy with that "decree power"  Cerridwen   Jun-02-07 11:06 PM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 11:48 PM   #133 
  - The decree powers are narrowly defined and I'm sure amending the constitution isn't one of those  1932   Jun-03-07 01:42 AM   #160 
  - So he gets blasted for not shitcanning this law, even though it was not in his power  killbotfactory   Jun-02-07 11:03 PM   #122 
  - Since when does a vanity poll from DU or FR for that matter constitute  gbrooks   Jun-02-07 10:53 PM   #115 
  - I think you are right  jkg4peace   Jun-02-07 11:19 PM   #129 
     - RCTV also accused Chavez of having a homosexual relationship with Castro just before  gbrooks   Jun-02-07 11:25 PM   #130 
        - Your kidding they brought homosexuality into it?  IChing   Jun-03-07 12:26 AM   #150 
           - The Anti Chavista traitors in their own words here.  gbrooks   Jun-03-07 12:43 AM   #151 
              - Thanks for the links  IChing   Jun-03-07 12:47 AM   #153 
                 - You're welcome. I think it's about time DUers give Chomsky's, "Manufacturing Consent" a serious read  gbrooks   Jun-03-07 12:56 AM   #154 
                    - Read it, recommended reading.  IChing   Jun-03-07 01:10 AM   #157 
                       - Nice graphics n/t  gbrooks   Jun-03-07 01:17 AM   #158 
  - Your subject line reads like a Faux poll  me b zola   Jun-02-07 11:08 PM   #125 
  - When your whole post is a falsehood, it might make people doubt your  ConsAreLiars   Jun-02-07 11:50 PM   #134 
  - you're my hero  sniffa   Jun-02-07 11:55 PM   #136 
  - Someone else claimed the one vote as well. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-03-07 08:49 AM   #165 
  - Fact is, the refusal to renew RCTV's license is not censorship.  LynnTheDem   Jun-03-07 12:00 AM   #140 
  - Facts have a liberal bias and  IChing   Jun-03-07 12:07 AM   #144 
     - Damn!  LynnTheDem   Jun-03-07 12:23 AM   #148 
  - Brought to you by a 21st century MIAMI CRYBABY...  mitchum   Jun-03-07 12:05 AM   #142 
  - So when you're shown to be both wrong and mendacious you run away and hide?  greyhound1966   Jun-03-07 12:16 AM   #146 
  - ANYONE NOTICE HOW MANY "VOTES" THIS THREAD GOT?  IChing   Jun-03-07 01:01 AM   #155 
  - Interesting... not that I give a flying fuck what Chavez does or doesn't do  walldude   Jun-03-07 01:26 AM   #159 
  - Well done  Charlie Brown   Jun-03-07 01:59 AM   #161 
  - Pointing out facts is blind support.  LynnTheDem   Jun-03-07 05:23 AM   #164 
     - appealing to facts and to reason makes you a member of a cult  fishwax   Jun-03-07 11:36 AM   #168 
  - Better read and understand this  rustydad   Jun-03-07 10:27 AM   #167 
 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC