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Sat Jun-02-07 10:09 PM
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| 104. I'm a bit disappointed about that fact that, although I've praised him for the good things that he |
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has done, as soon as I point out that he's acting like an asshole in one case or another, all of a sudden I'm not a Loyal Liberal anymore, or worse, that I'm a Paid Mole, according to some DUers. I got that same treatment for pointing out some time back that calling another world leader "Satan" (even though he may indeed be) at the UN is not a very statesmanlike thing to do.
But I don't care. I'll praise him for doing good stuff, but I still reserve the right to point out when he's stepping on his dick.
Anyone who doesn't like it, doesn't HAVE to like it.
Redstone
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| -DUers vote 131-to-1 against censorship, but Chavez is /for/ it! |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 06:19 PM |
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ding ding ding! |
mike_c |
Jun-02-07 06:22 PM |
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"the DUer is going to extrapolate this information to disapproval... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-02-07 08:20 PM |
#64 |
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Bravo sir.......or maam.........well done |
sanskritwarrior |
Jun-02-07 06:22 PM |
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I don't like the popcorn guy, but I can't resist |
rockymountaindem |
Jun-02-07 06:22 PM |
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no butter please :-) -Does anyone care that the Courts have limited the interpretation of these laws |
papau |
Jun-02-07 06:48 PM |
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A very fine distinction, |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 06:50 PM |
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I don't like making being polite a law - but it is not as bad as folks are posting, is it? :-) n/t |
papau |
Jun-02-07 08:14 PM |
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So, |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 08:30 PM |
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No - but it is not quite a silencing of the media. The U.S. Sedition Act and Espionage Act sucked. |
papau |
Jun-02-07 08:40 PM |
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Fair enough. nt |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 08:47 PM |
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Isn't that what Fox News tells us about criticizing Bush? |
Cleita |
Jun-02-07 06:22 PM |
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Indeed Chavez is less socialist and more businessman than I would wish - but he is a great |
papau |
Jun-02-07 06:54 PM |
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you might wanna link to that poll nt |
DireStrike |
Jun-02-07 06:22 PM |
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Indeed link it |
sanskritwarrior |
Jun-02-07 06:23 PM |
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Sorry! It's there now. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 06:24 PM |
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Viva Zoccolo! |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 06:24 PM |
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Viva Zoccolo........... |
sanskritwarrior |
Jun-02-07 06:27 PM |
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Heh heh...self-delete...second thoughts about this one. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 06:33 PM |
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So is this a new law or an old law? |
Kagemusha |
Jun-02-07 06:24 PM |
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It was passed around March 2005. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 06:28 PM |
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Old and new law which is limited by Court interpretation - saying Chavez screwed up is OK, but |
papau |
Jun-02-07 06:51 PM |
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"Screwed up"??!! |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:11 PM |
#33 |
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...The meaning you cite is a third meaning, not one of the 2 cited by the other poster |
Kagemusha |
Jun-02-07 07:39 PM |
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that's because your question was loaded |
Clovis Sangrail |
Jun-02-07 06:31 PM |
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Sour Grapes....... |
sanskritwarrior |
Jun-02-07 06:31 PM |
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But this isn't aboooout the coup! |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 06:34 PM |
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ah |
Clovis Sangrail |
Jun-02-07 07:14 PM |
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Me too. |
OilemFirchen |
Jun-02-07 07:24 PM |
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Heres you go. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:33 PM |
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Uh, no. |
OilemFirchen |
Jun-02-07 07:41 PM |
#49 |
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lol thanks for pointing that out |
Clovis Sangrail |
Jun-02-07 07:46 PM |
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Go find one that suits you. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:53 PM |
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thanks |
Clovis Sangrail |
Jun-02-07 07:43 PM |
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Venezuelan penal code, coming right up! |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:32 PM |
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Not really. |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 06:45 PM |
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no... it does |
Clovis Sangrail |
Jun-02-07 07:24 PM |
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Advocating the violent overthrow of the government is sedition in any country I know of. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-02-07 07:13 PM |
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I have another thread that I posted about the TV station. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:29 PM |
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Yeah ... they're so tough on 'dissent' that the rumors about 50,000 protesters ... |
TahitiNut |
Jun-02-07 07:43 PM |
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OK--Chavez is wrong. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-02-07 06:32 PM |
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How come Chevez gets more attention here than Darfur? |
gatorboy |
Jun-02-07 06:32 PM |
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Chavez is hopeful. Darfur horrifying. That's my guess. (n/t) |
IndyOp |
Jun-02-07 06:37 PM |
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How many people on DU are in support of the Darfur genocide? |
originalpckelly |
Jun-02-07 06:42 PM |
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Because about half of DU loves Chavez |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 06:48 PM |
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because |
MonkeyFunk |
Jun-02-07 09:34 PM |
#96 |
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how about the OP ignores this post |
sniffa |
Jun-02-07 11:56 PM |
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EXCELLENT question. |
AZBlue |
Jun-03-07 12:08 AM |
#145 |
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It's a personality cult. |
originalpckelly |
Jun-02-07 06:36 PM |
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more important, what do the Venezuelan people think of him? |
Enrique |
Jun-02-07 06:45 PM |
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So what? |
Nunyabiz |
Jun-02-07 06:48 PM |
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LoZoccolo, your poll was actually |
seasonedblue |
Jun-02-07 06:50 PM |
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Ha, thanks for letting me know! |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 06:51 PM |
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Yah, Chavez/VZ law is definitely wrong here. |
DireStrike |
Jun-02-07 07:01 PM |
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But but but Chavez sh*ts chocolate! How can anyone criticize a man who sh*ts chocolate?! |
DRoseDARs |
Jun-02-07 07:07 PM |
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It's the uniform... |
ellisonz |
Jun-02-07 07:30 PM |
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It's really good chocolate, though. |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 07:30 PM |
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My informal Chavez approval poll currently stands 87-70-5 in favor. |
ellisonz |
Jun-02-07 07:29 PM |
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Holy Joe worshippers have no credibility in my book, sorry. |
Bonobo |
Jun-02-07 07:33 PM |
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I'm not going to let you hijack this thread. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:34 PM |
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now that's an interesting tidbit! |
ima_sinnic |
Jun-02-07 09:04 PM |
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What's the current law? |
OilemFirchen |
Jun-02-07 07:36 PM |
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6 to 30 months. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:40 PM |
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Sez who? |
OilemFirchen |
Jun-02-07 07:45 PM |
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Here's the penal code in the original Spanish. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:50 PM |
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US has a version&That is 2005 version - but it has the same laws we are discussing- which points |
papau |
Jun-02-07 08:50 PM |
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My poll was more accurately phrased than yours,but too controversial for DU. |
Forkboy |
Jun-02-07 07:51 PM |
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My poll is not about that. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 07:54 PM |
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No doubt the tyrannized Venezuelan electorate will vote out the "dictator".. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-02-07 08:07 PM |
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These people are clearly oppressed. |
Forkboy |
Jun-02-07 08:13 PM |
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They're probably all on Fidel's payroll and taking orders from the Kremlin. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-02-07 08:19 PM |
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Being forced to wear body paint and red hats. |
Crunchy Frog |
Jun-02-07 08:55 PM |
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TWO minutes on google |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-02-07 08:18 PM |
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That's pretty lame. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 08:20 PM |
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How many laws are never enforced? How many people are in |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-02-07 08:31 PM |
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What kind of bullshit is that? Excuse me, but 871 doesn't say you can... |
originalpckelly |
Jun-02-07 10:59 PM |
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I don't post often but I do post when I am pissed..and this thread |
angstlessk |
Jun-02-07 08:22 PM |
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I do not even have a son. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 08:29 PM |
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Jun-02-07 09:12 PM |
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Well said. Viva Chavez! |
Vidar |
Jun-02-07 09:37 PM |
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You Rock LoZoccolo! What An Absolute Scumbag Dictator He Is. People Will Wake Up Soon Enough. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 08:32 PM |
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Jun-02-07 09:05 PM |
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what you said ... |
ima_sinnic |
Jun-02-07 09:22 PM |
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Jun-02-07 09:58 PM |
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Jun-02-07 10:07 PM |
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My Opinion? No Genius, It Doesn't. It Has To Do With HIM. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 10:40 PM |
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More of your Pat Robertson quotes?.. |
Webster Green |
Jun-02-07 11:11 PM |
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Yes. In Fact, Pat Robertson Is Right Here With Me. Wanna Say Hi? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 11:16 PM |
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Jun-03-07 05:09 AM |
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When did everyone become so concerned about the level of freedom in Venezuela? |
Crunchy Frog |
Jun-02-07 08:45 PM |
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It's only an issue |
Codeine |
Jun-02-07 08:48 PM |
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Yes - since 1964, articulo 148 has been a part of the Venezuelan |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 08:45 PM |
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Thank you for this correction and your reply. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-02-07 08:59 PM |
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You're welcome. |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 09:04 PM |
#84 |
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I'm not sure about Chavez either in the long term, but the |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-02-07 09:45 PM |
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I have my reservations about all of this too. |
Forkboy |
Jun-02-07 10:36 PM |
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:D |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 11:09 PM |
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So that fiend Chavez has been repressing the Venezuelan people since 1964? |
Crunchy Frog |
Jun-02-07 08:59 PM |
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Yah, he was 10 - busy little boy wasn't he? |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 09:01 PM |
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Jun-02-07 09:02 PM |
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Yeah, what's ironic is that the same people who are accusing |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 09:07 PM |
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Nader is off the radar...someone here needs a new boogeyman. |
Forkboy |
Jun-02-07 09:08 PM |
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Is *that* what this is about? *sigh* |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 09:14 PM |
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exactly nt |
Blue_Tires |
Jun-02-07 10:11 PM |
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Where do you get that it's been there since 1964? n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 09:16 PM |
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From a link with historic information about Venezuelan legislation |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 09:28 PM |
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You should really try to go and check it out for yourself |
jkg4peace |
Jun-02-07 11:41 PM |
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Last I checked, he wasn't an American. |
porphyrian |
Jun-02-07 08:54 PM |
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When should we start the invasion? |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-02-07 09:03 PM |
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why...that's just Delightful Lozoccolo Cheers |
mitchum |
Jun-02-07 09:07 PM |
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Seems to me that DU is about 50-50 in favor of / not in favor of Chavez. |
Redstone |
Jun-02-07 09:11 PM |
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come on my friend it is 65-35 |
IChing |
Jun-02-07 09:30 PM |
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OK, thanks for letting me know. I was going by the posts I've read; didn't know there was a poll. |
Redstone |
Jun-02-07 09:34 PM |
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DU Polls Aren't Exactly Representative. Ya Know That Right? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 10:06 PM |
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Jun-02-07 10:12 PM |
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Personal Attacks All You Got Bub? How Pathetic. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 10:42 PM |
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Your point is mute, Redstone asked and I gave him a poll |
IChing |
Jun-02-07 11:00 PM |
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Of Course My Point Is Mute. We're On A Message Board. No Volume Pal. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 11:07 PM |
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Jun-02-07 11:57 PM |
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You Need To Pay Attention. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-03-07 12:22 AM |
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It's A Start. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 10:03 PM |
#101 |
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I'm a bit disappointed about that fact that, although I've praised him for the good things that he |
Redstone |
Jun-02-07 10:09 PM |
#104 |
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Chavez didn't get rid of a law that's been on the books since 1964 |
eridani |
Jun-02-07 10:20 PM |
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How about some perspective that I can like some things that a politican does, and not like |
Redstone |
Jun-02-07 10:25 PM |
#110 |
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I agree but the way I see it |
IChing |
Jun-02-07 11:32 PM |
#131 |
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Excuse me, but if he's really committed to a democratic revolution... |
originalpckelly |
Jun-02-07 11:02 PM |
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And he ought to encourage them to repeal the anti-abortion laws too |
eridani |
Jun-03-07 02:14 AM |
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And such blind opposition... |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 11:54 PM |
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You'll See. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-02-07 11:58 PM |
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Except, I'm, by my own words, (see my other posts) not cultish, |
Cerridwen |
Jun-03-07 12:07 AM |
#143 |
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Did You Read Something Wrong? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-03-07 12:25 AM |
#149 |
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Nope. And twice is "multiple", I'll grant you. |
Cerridwen |
Jun-03-07 12:46 AM |
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So You Didn't Get It Then. Ok. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jun-03-07 01:05 AM |
#156 |
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Jun-02-07 10:12 PM |
#106 |
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It's been around since 1964 |
eridani |
Jun-02-07 10:17 PM |
#108 |
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Chavez didn't pass that law, the National Assembly did |
jkg4peace |
Jun-02-07 10:42 PM |
#114 |
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Remember all those "good" things that were going to come from his decree power? |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-02-07 10:56 PM |
#116 |
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Remember all the good things that were going to come to us when we elected Dems to office. |
Forkboy |
Jun-02-07 10:59 PM |
#117 |
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ooh, touche' |
sniffa |
Jun-03-07 12:00 AM |
#141 |
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And yet entirely cutting off funding was never promised by any candidate. |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-03-07 09:07 AM |
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Doesn't making the law less severe count as "good"? |
eridani |
Jun-02-07 11:00 PM |
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Wow! You mean he didn't go crazy with that "decree power" |
Cerridwen |
Jun-02-07 11:06 PM |
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Jun-02-07 11:48 PM |
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The decree powers are narrowly defined and I'm sure amending the constitution isn't one of those |
1932 |
Jun-03-07 01:42 AM |
#160 |
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So he gets blasted for not shitcanning this law, even though it was not in his power |
killbotfactory |
Jun-02-07 11:03 PM |
#122 |
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Since when does a vanity poll from DU or FR for that matter constitute |
gbrooks |
Jun-02-07 10:53 PM |
#115 |
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I think you are right |
jkg4peace |
Jun-02-07 11:19 PM |
#129 |
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RCTV also accused Chavez of having a homosexual relationship with Castro just before |
gbrooks |
Jun-02-07 11:25 PM |
#130 |
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Your kidding they brought homosexuality into it? |
IChing |
Jun-03-07 12:26 AM |
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The Anti Chavista traitors in their own words here. |
gbrooks |
Jun-03-07 12:43 AM |
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Thanks for the links |
IChing |
Jun-03-07 12:47 AM |
#153 |
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You're welcome. I think it's about time DUers give Chomsky's, "Manufacturing Consent" a serious read |
gbrooks |
Jun-03-07 12:56 AM |
#154 |
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Read it, recommended reading. |
IChing |
Jun-03-07 01:10 AM |
#157 |
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Nice graphics n/t |
gbrooks |
Jun-03-07 01:17 AM |
#158 |
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Your subject line reads like a Faux poll |
me b zola |
Jun-02-07 11:08 PM |
#125 |
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When your whole post is a falsehood, it might make people doubt your |
ConsAreLiars |
Jun-02-07 11:50 PM |
#134 |
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you're my hero |
sniffa |
Jun-02-07 11:55 PM |
#136 |
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Someone else claimed the one vote as well. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jun-03-07 08:49 AM |
#165 |
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Fact is, the refusal to renew RCTV's license is not censorship. |
LynnTheDem |
Jun-03-07 12:00 AM |
#140 |
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Facts have a liberal bias and |
IChing |
Jun-03-07 12:07 AM |
#144 |
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Damn! |
LynnTheDem |
Jun-03-07 12:23 AM |
#148 |
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Brought to you by a 21st century MIAMI CRYBABY... |
mitchum |
Jun-03-07 12:05 AM |
#142 |
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So when you're shown to be both wrong and mendacious you run away and hide? |
greyhound1966 |
Jun-03-07 12:16 AM |
#146 |
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ANYONE NOTICE HOW MANY "VOTES" THIS THREAD GOT? |
IChing |
Jun-03-07 01:01 AM |
#155 |
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Interesting... not that I give a flying fuck what Chavez does or doesn't do |
walldude |
Jun-03-07 01:26 AM |
#159 |
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Well done |
Charlie Brown |
Jun-03-07 01:59 AM |
#161 |
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Pointing out facts is blind support. |
LynnTheDem |
Jun-03-07 05:23 AM |
#164 |
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appealing to facts and to reason makes you a member of a cult |
fishwax |
Jun-03-07 11:36 AM |
#168 |
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Better read and understand this |
rustydad |
Jun-03-07 10:27 AM |
#167 |
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