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Response to Reply #63
291. I hear ya
and by the stupidity of the comments responding to you, they have made the point even more clear.
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  -How women activists are silenced lwfern  May-30-07 09:42 AM   #0 
  - Good post -- k&r  LostinVA   May-30-07 09:43 AM   #1 
  - Yes. K&R  sfexpat2000   May-30-07 09:44 AM   #2 
  - Very nice post.  Horse with no Name   May-30-07 09:44 AM   #3 
  - I can't imagine letting stuff people say to me on the Internet getting to me.  MookieWilson   May-30-07 09:45 AM   #4 
  - It's not anonymous when they personally attack you. n/t  sfexpat2000   May-30-07 09:48 AM   #6 
  - Yep  tavalon   May-31-07 04:13 AM   #279 
     - Andy was sick...  Cassandra   May-31-07 03:08 PM   #361 
        - And they thought because I was a woman that I would cave somehow.  sfexpat2000   Jun-01-07 08:27 PM   #425 
  - No, you don't understand it.  lwfern   May-30-07 09:53 AM   # 
  - Threats of sexual violence and sexual aggression are scary  LostinVA   May-30-07 09:59 AM   #16 
  - Yes, it is scary. nt  MookieWilson   May-30-07 10:25 AM   #36 
  - apologies  lwfern   May-30-07 11:17 AM   #58 
     - You just wrote something very significant  Le Taz Hot   May-31-07 07:52 AM   #299 
  - holy crap, seriously?  GloriaSmith   May-30-07 10:29 AM   #41 
  - Yup  LostinVA   May-30-07 10:33 AM   #44 
  - ...  Starbucks Anarchist   May-30-07 03:12 PM   #126 
  - I agree with you.  Autobot77   May-30-07 08:39 PM   #221 
  - LostinVA, sorry to hear that  smtpgirl   May-30-07 09:02 PM   #225 
  - that's terrible........  Darth_Kitten   May-30-07 09:31 PM   #238 
  - The thing is that it doesn't stay anonymous.  China_cat   May-30-07 10:24 AM   #33 
  - I don't use my real name on the Internet. nt  MookieWilson   May-30-07 10:27 AM   #39 
  - if you're posting at home or work, it doesn't matter what name you use  GloriaSmith   May-30-07 10:31 AM   #43 
  - Do you really believe that protects you?  China_cat   May-30-07 10:42 AM   #47 
  - There's no such thing as being completely safe. But, despite vigorous...  MookieWilson   May-30-07 10:44 AM   #48 
  - this why woman are verbally acosted, TOTAL anonymity  smtpgirl   May-30-07 09:14 PM   #229 
  - Once I posted on someone's blog and a rightwinger somehow found  Lydia Leftcoast   May-31-07 08:41 AM   # 
  - Try getting them as a public figure  WilliamPitt   May-30-07 11:12 AM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-07 03:02 PM   #359 
  - .  bobbolink   May-31-07 03:54 PM   #370 
     - . . .  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 03:58 PM   #373 
        - .  bobbolink   May-31-07 04:08 PM   #380 
  - Double post- delete  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 03:02 PM   #360 
  - Mook, if you had a picture of you photoshopped with a noose 'round *your* neck  Book Lover   May-30-07 12:06 PM   #86 
  - I didn't say it wouldn't upset me.  MookieWilson   May-30-07 02:06 PM   #109 
     - I apologize for my assumption  Book Lover   May-30-07 02:14 PM   #114 
     - Problemma nyet.  MookieWilson   May-30-07 02:27 PM   #116 
     - I think one point the OP and cited article are trying to make...  TygrBright   May-30-07 09:27 PM   #234 
  - It's TERRORISM - and when they threaten you, your family and post...  Triana   May-30-07 02:46 PM   #121 
  - Agreed Triana  smtpgirl   May-30-07 09:30 PM   #237 
  - You're a man, you can't get it. What you're saying is like  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 02:56 PM   #358 
     - Not so confusing. It has to do with whom one is identified with.  bobbolink   May-31-07 03:57 PM   #371 
  - Feminism needs to be revived on a national scale.  rosesaylavee   May-30-07 09:46 AM   #5 
  - sig line stuff  lwfern   May-30-07 10:04 PM   #251 
     - Why is Democratic Underground permitting these comments?  defendandprotect   May-31-07 07:33 PM   #397 
     - According to the DU Rules  lwfern   May-31-07 08:07 PM   #398 
     - The offending avatar is removed.  rosesaylavee   May-31-07 11:21 PM   #406 
        - Thank You!  lwfern   Jun-01-07 12:21 AM   #410 
  - Those in leadership positions set the tone,  Lars39   May-30-07 09:49 AM   #7 
  - You're so right, but of course it won't be acknowledged.  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:18 PM   #141 
  - Agree about DU leadership as well as the use of 'bitch'. Few female avatars. nt  MookieWilson   May-30-07 05:00 PM   #165 
  - ...few female avatars....  sheeptramp   May-30-07 07:59 PM   #215 
  - A lot of people have left DU because the  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 03:11 PM   #363 
     - Then *I'll* say it.  bobbolink   May-31-07 04:00 PM   #375 
  - I'd recommend this mulitiple times if I could  Warpy   May-30-07 09:50 AM   #8 
  - Good post n/t  LostinVA   May-30-07 10:00 AM   #17 
  - As the OP pointed out, women also engage in this behavior. I remember a thread  John Q. Citizen   May-31-07 11:50 AM   #341 
  - A Favorite Put-Down: "She's Shrill"  vanlassie   May-30-07 09:53 AM   #9 
  - Check out the way the dust up between O'Donnell and Hasel back was described.  MookieWilson   May-30-07 10:45 AM   #49 
  - Yeah add Rosie to the list for sure  moonlady0623   May-30-07 04:17 PM   #140 
  - hey they even called Howard Dean shrill  truedelphi   May-30-07 12:42 PM   #99 
  - Yep, it makes sense to offer up truth for truth  tavalon   May-31-07 04:17 AM   #281 
  - O'Leilly uses that one all the time.  Oregonian   May-30-07 04:06 PM   #137 
  - That guy is the physical embodiment of "shrill".  Telly Savalas   Jun-01-07 08:52 PM   #429 
  - Calling someone a whore, for one  AnnieBW   May-30-07 10:22 PM   #252 
  - I have only enough time to recommend this post and kick it  Cerridwen   May-30-07 09:53 AM   #10 
  - Women can be like Boudica (probably called an A. W. by the Romans in AD 60)  bambino   May-30-07 09:55 AM   #11 
  - Boudica does rule!  LostinVA   May-30-07 10:01 AM   #19 
  - K&R!! bravo!  unpossibles   May-30-07 09:55 AM   #12 
  - Can we count on you standing up to other men here at DU when they  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 08:41 PM   #222 
     - You can count on me, but...  Umbram   May-31-07 01:30 AM   #276 
        - You know, you are probably right  Morgana LaFey   May-31-07 11:52 PM   #407 
           - Ok, I think I'm clear.  Umbram   Jun-01-07 05:34 PM   #420 
              - You don't believe in a "historical reality" of a movement --  Morgana LaFey   Jun-01-07 08:48 PM   #428 
                 - I'm sorry.  Umbram   Jun-01-07 09:29 PM   #430 
                    - You and Douglas Feith --  Morgana LaFey   Jun-02-07 09:16 PM   #432 
                       - Yep, I agree  Umbram   Jun-02-07 10:37 PM   #433 
  - Do You TRULY Believe The Recent Issues With Cindy Have Had ANYTHING To Do With Her Being Female?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-30-07 09:56 AM   #13 
  - Consistently invalidating, maligning and ridiculing women is abusive.  Lars39   May-30-07 10:02 AM   #21 
  - So You TRULY Believe The Abuse Towards Her Was Because She Was A Woman? Really?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-30-07 10:10 AM   #27 
  - There is an entire Snopes page devoted to lies about her status as Casey's "Mother"  lwfern   May-30-07 10:21 AM   #32 
  - No, Not By A Long Shot.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-30-07 10:27 AM   #38 
     - The topic isn't WHY women are silenced...  Psyop Samurai   May-30-07 11:34 AM   #69 
     - Hey - excellent response  lukasahero   May-30-07 03:08 PM   #125 
     - I note with some sadness  hfojvt   Jun-01-07 01:54 PM   #419 
     - you can only see motive, not opportunity? LOL. guys pick on who they can get away with it easiest.  bettyellen   May-30-07 06:06 PM   #179 
     - Straining at gnats while swallowing camels.  urgk   May-30-07 06:10 PM   #182 
        - excellent points  zippy890   May-30-07 06:21 PM   #184 
        - I think you've hit the nail right on the head.  Cabcere   May-31-07 01:00 PM   #353 
  - Women are considered easier targets. Here's an example.  MookieWilson   May-30-07 10:24 AM   #34 
  - Yeah Right. Tell That To Kerry, Or Dean, Or Gore, Or The Slew Of Others. n/t  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-30-07 10:28 AM   #40 
  - oh, i love the "men are victims" card.. those who play it cannot see the irony.  bettyellen   May-30-07 05:44 PM   #176 
  - I wish you could be a woman for a few months.  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 03:31 PM   #365 
     - that has been done in movies and TV  hfojvt   Jun-01-07 01:36 PM   #417 
  - Cycling is a good analogy  eridani   May-30-07 04:20 PM   #142 
  - walking down the street alone has become problematic, and the men i know don;t see it  bettyellen   May-30-07 06:01 PM   #178 
  - I almost posted about that a few days ago.  lwfern   May-30-07 06:36 PM   #186 
  - yeah, biking got real dangerous... to many cute little swerves toward me, startling honks  bettyellen   May-30-07 06:54 PM   #193 
  - Yes, I got honked at on my bike by a guy "just being friendly." I read him the riot act about ...  MookieWilson   May-30-07 09:24 PM   #231 
     - drivers do it to me all the time  hfojvt   Jun-01-07 12:56 PM   #414 
  - Crap parenting is in the eye of the worried parent.  puebloknot   Jun-01-07 09:58 PM   #431 
  - Something to try...  urgk   May-30-07 06:44 PM   #189 
  - my next phone will have video becuase of you, LOL... and welcome to DU !  bettyellen   May-30-07 06:59 PM   #196 
  - That's a wonderful idea, with the ADDED benefit that it might have  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 08:47 PM   #223 
  - Men are like observers trying to document the behavior of nocturnal animals  eridani   May-30-07 10:32 PM   #255 
  - How to educate men on this topic:  Lydia Leftcoast   May-31-07 09:00 AM   #318 
     - Good idea.  bobbolink   May-31-07 04:02 PM   #377 
  - Even driving is not safe. Many men think they have the right  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 03:41 PM   #366 
  - This is true. Men are also, in general, more aggressive towards women than men  jpgray   May-30-07 07:01 PM   #198 
  - i've noticed with guys at work they can be competative assholes with men and get over it- like it's  bettyellen   May-30-07 07:12 PM   #202 
     - To be fair, men can also be terrified of women  jpgray   May-30-07 07:21 PM   #204 
        - swag's a liar, i'm not that scary at all. hardly much at all.  bettyellen   May-30-07 07:27 PM   #207 
           - Can't compete with that. Two drinks and I'm anybody's.  jpgray   May-30-07 07:32 PM   #210 
              - that's handy information  bettyellen   May-30-07 08:22 PM   #219 
                 - Remember as a man I think I'm socially obligated to compete  jpgray   May-31-07 12:11 AM   #271 
  - And do men ever get told by total strangers to "Smile!" nt  raccoon   May-31-07 08:07 AM   #302 
  - Yes. Although as best as I can gather, not as often as women do. On the  John Q. Citizen   May-31-07 12:28 PM   #347 
  - That was my experience as a college professor, too  Lydia Leftcoast   May-31-07 08:56 AM   #316 
     - It often depends on whose ox is being gored. Just as majority ethnic groups  John Q. Citizen   May-31-07 12:22 PM   #346 
  - I think, being from an era when women were expected to be hard working but not heard  truedelphi   May-30-07 12:48 PM   #101 
  - Yes, And You;d Be Blind To Miss It... she's menopausal, shrill, too emotional, a drama queen....  bettyellen   May-30-07 05:36 PM   #174 
  - To put what others have said another way...  urgk   May-30-07 06:17 PM   #183 
  - Of course the person you are responding to questions this...  bliss_eternal   May-30-07 04:39 PM   #155 
  - Of course they do  LostinVA   May-30-07 10:03 AM   #22 
  - Not the issues, but the attacks on her.  NCevilDUer   May-30-07 10:40 AM   #45 
  - "whore"  WilliamPitt   May-30-07 11:13 AM   #56 
  - I Believe There To Be A Difference Between The Root Of Anger And The Expression Of It.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-30-07 11:20 AM   #63 
     - I believe you have no clue what it means to be an outspoken female  buddyhollysghost   May-30-07 12:37 PM   #97 
     - Has no intention of trying, either.  Lars39   May-30-07 12:55 PM   #104 
        - Oh, see, he's the voice of authority here on DU because he uses capital letters  Oregonian   May-30-07 04:08 PM   #138 
           - LOLZOMC  Moochy   May-30-07 10:49 PM   #259 
     - I hear ya  BoneDaddy   May-31-07 06:58 AM   #291 
        - My comments are stupid?  buddyhollysghost   May-31-07 10:54 AM   #333 
  - YES! same with Rosie, same with Code Pink, same with Jane Fonda  nashville_brook   May-30-07 11:20 AM   #62 
  - The Issues, No, The Attacks, Yes  Crisco   May-30-07 11:44 AM   #74 
  - Not just women, I noticed this on an open board  yurbud   May-30-07 09:59 AM   #14 
  - You're right. It's not just women.  sfexpat2000   May-30-07 10:08 AM   #25 
  - ideas targeted and shouted off the stage  yurbud   May-30-07 10:24 AM   #35 
  - CASE IN POINT: check out some of the anti-Nader posters like this guy:  yurbud   May-30-07 11:38 AM   #70 
     - and the same guy anti-Chavez:  yurbud   May-30-07 11:41 AM   #73 
     - The anti-Chavez stuff isn't SEXUALIZED n/t  eridani   May-30-07 04:22 PM   #145 
     - yeah, just the same level of venom. Also, the sexual angle is not as insulting to guys  yurbud   May-30-07 08:20 PM   #218 
        - The reason it isn't as insulting--  eridani   May-30-07 10:47 PM   #258 
           - that's why racist comments bother blacks but not really whites  yurbud   May-31-07 01:05 AM   #275 
     - "Out of Context"  Moochy   May-31-07 12:29 AM   #272 
     - The anti-Nader stuff isn't SEXUALIZED n/t  eridani   May-30-07 04:22 PM   #144 
     - you mean Ralph "I would rather have George Bush than Al Gore" Nader?  northzax   May-31-07 09:39 AM   #327 
        - Wrong. You cannot prove that Nader voters would have voted for Gore  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 03:51 PM   #368 
           - George Bush won florida, in the final count  northzax   May-31-07 04:11 PM   #381 
  - Recommended. Post says it all. No comment necessary. n/t  sicksicksick_N_tired   May-30-07 09:59 AM   #15 
  - k, r, and thanks, lwfern. It takes courage these days just to put  coffeenap   May-30-07 10:00 AM   #18 
  - Excellent, much needed post. K&R.  Dhalgren   May-30-07 10:01 AM   #20 
  - or dismiss us with the term "bitch"  Connonym   May-30-07 10:03 AM   #23 
  - My Dad said that about to my mother HRC ONE time  LostinVA   May-30-07 10:09 AM   #26 
  - Yay Mom! nt  MookieWilson   May-30-07 02:07 PM   #110 
  - BINGO! Our language makes it easier to criticize women. There is no male version of 'bitch'.  MookieWilson   May-30-07 10:26 AM   #37 
  - Not only that, it works both ways (two way street)  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 09:02 PM   #226 
  - Quite the opposite. Most men are pure cowards - attacking those they KNOW they can get away with....  BlooInBloo   May-30-07 10:29 AM   #42 
  - Fear?  BoneDaddy   May-30-07 07:19 PM   #203 
     - Of course you wouldn't trust her with your emotional self --  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 09:07 PM   #227 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-07 06:41 AM   #286 
        - Yeah, that's not at all misogynistic  Connonym   May-31-07 09:09 AM   #321 
     - Sometimes Bitch is the best word for the context.  lwfern   May-30-07 09:31 PM   #239 
     - exactly as you say  Connonym   May-30-07 09:40 PM   #243 
     - Thank you, lwfern for this very important thread...  prairierose   May-31-07 09:26 AM   #325 
        - Of course words have power! As I said earlier, verbal abuse is often the precursor of physical  bobbolink   May-31-07 04:07 PM   #378 
     - You say word police I say improve your vocabulary  Connonym   May-30-07 09:38 PM   #241 
        - So then doesn't that make you a hypocrite  BoneDaddy   May-31-07 06:46 AM   #288 
           - re-read my post  Connonym   May-31-07 08:59 AM   #317 
           - And here we have a man coming along  lwfern   May-31-07 09:18 AM   #324 
  - I think the key to change in this country is through women  bambino   May-30-07 10:07 AM   #24 
  - So your'e vote is for Hillary in 2008?  smtpgirl   May-30-07 09:59 PM   #248 
     - Guess what, Hillary isn't the only woman in the US  Connonym   May-31-07 09:03 AM   #319 
        - But I do believe in a majority of white men  smtpgirl   May-31-07 10:06 PM   #403 
  - k and r  cwydro   May-30-07 10:13 AM   #28 
  - Sadly, there are still many men who...  Mr_Jefferson_24   May-30-07 10:14 AM   #29 
  - Yes. On Trek boards they have a problem with "Janeway rape" threads.  MookieWilson   May-30-07 10:40 AM   #46 
  - Personal experience with a local humanist chapter 20+ years ago.  no_hypocrisy   May-30-07 10:15 AM   #30 
  - That thinking is prevalent in more of society than just philanthropic groups.  Clark2008   May-30-07 10:53 AM   #50 
     - Yeah, I know. It's like people who don't know me always address me as "Mrs." as in their  no_hypocrisy   May-30-07 10:59 AM   #52 
        - I know! I usually carry the money in our relationship and they  Clark2008   May-30-07 11:17 AM   #59 
           - When I graduated from one of the last independent, all-women's colleges,  no_hypocrisy   May-30-07 11:23 AM   #67 
  - Salon did a series of arcticles about this a month or two ago.  Iris   May-30-07 10:17 AM   #31 
  - Organized harassment and "gang" or cause stalking is essentially being funded by this Administration  shance   May-30-07 10:58 AM   #51 
  - um, the web can be quite anonymous too  IronLionZion   May-30-07 11:04 AM   #53 
  - See post 55  WilliamPitt   May-30-07 11:13 AM   #57 
  - point taken Will, I sure as hell don't want to be a public figure  IronLionZion   May-30-07 11:18 AM   #61 
  - You see a pattern there?  lwfern   May-30-07 11:20 AM   #64 
  - Well, that's the wrong way to do things  IronLionZion   May-30-07 12:35 PM   #95 
  - Exhibit A: "Pink Tutus"  sam kane   May-30-07 03:01 PM   #123 
     - Exhibit B: "Panty-waisted. Bitches."  lwfern   May-31-07 07:23 AM   #296 
     - Your voice is so strong and clear--I'm so glad you're here!  bobbolink   May-31-07 05:33 PM   #391 
     - Exhibit C: "That Crazy Old Bitch"  lwfern   May-31-07 08:22 PM   #400 
        - Exhibit D: "She's a whore"  Imagevision   May-31-07 10:09 PM   #404 
  - notice that the abuse is couched in FEMINIZING the person -- gender is the weapon  nashville_brook   May-30-07 11:23 AM   #66 
  - The terms used to "insult" liberal men are terms reserved for denigrating women.  terisan   May-30-07 11:50 AM   #76 
  - don't believe for one second it is only right wing men  VelmaD   May-30-07 11:53 AM   #79 
  - I was wondering whether or not to post this very thing  LostinVA   May-30-07 12:52 PM   #102 
     - been taking a bit of a break...  VelmaD   May-30-07 01:21 PM   #105 
        - It's so easy, eh?  LostinVA   May-30-07 01:26 PM   #106 
  - Even on this board...  MookieWilson   May-30-07 02:29 PM   #117 
  - "girlie men"  bbgrunt   May-30-07 02:15 PM   #115 
  - Ah yes, perfect example - probably not in the way you meant though...  lukasahero   May-30-07 03:15 PM   #128 
     - The inverse of that is to "compliment" a woman by saying she "has balls."  MookieWilson   May-30-07 09:25 PM   #232 
        - "He's so articulate..."  lukasahero   May-31-07 08:19 AM   #306 
  - "Male activists get called "pussies", "fags", "bitches", "fairies" "  lukasahero   May-30-07 03:19 PM   #130 
     - Well said  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 09:21 PM   #230 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-07 08:38 AM   #311 
     - What are you talking about?  IronLionZion   May-31-07 10:32 AM   #331 
        - Unless you are a woman of color AND a lesbian  lwfern   May-31-07 12:40 PM   #350 
           - and disabled  Oak2004   May-31-07 02:18 PM   #356 
              - Thanks for the reminder.  lwfern   May-31-07 02:52 PM   #357 
     - men get rape threats too, hell men get raped too  IronLionZion   May-31-07 10:37 AM   #332 
        - "Why I write not of men"  lwfern   May-31-07 11:27 AM   #338 
  - K&R!  DKRC   May-30-07 11:10 AM   #54 
  - and if the verbal abuse doesn't work out, escalation is real ala judy bari  pitohui   May-30-07 11:18 AM   #60 
  - big k 'n r -- you nailed it.  nashville_brook   May-30-07 11:22 AM   #65 
  - what you said  VelmaD   May-30-07 11:29 AM   #68 
  - and my personal favorite "it happens to men, too"  lwfern   May-30-07 11:39 AM   #71 
     - Ain't that the truth  LostinVA   May-30-07 12:52 PM   #103 
     - and not just men, but important men -- "public figures" men,  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 09:28 PM   #236 
  - Yep it happens  nadinbrzezinski   May-30-07 11:41 AM   #72 
  - What kind of activist  MrPrax   May-30-07 11:45 AM   #75 
  - true - men's war against women is alive and well  donsu   May-30-07 11:51 AM   #77 
  - It happens in the workplace ALL THE TIME.  RevCheesehead   May-30-07 11:52 AM   #78 
  - Excellent OP, thank you for posting this!  Spazito   May-30-07 11:54 AM   #80 
  - K&R  petunia.here   May-30-07 11:57 AM   #81 
  - It's Amazing, What Some People Think They Can Say To You When You Are A Female And Anti-War  maggiegault   May-30-07 11:57 AM   #82 
  - and thanks for illustrating...  VelmaD   May-30-07 12:00 PM   #83 
     - You're Very Welcome. It Isn't A Behavior Limited To GOP Idiots, Unfortunately.  maggiegault   May-30-07 12:04 PM   #85 
        - Exactly. He did it because he could get away with it.  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 09:33 PM   #240 
           - I Quit The Group, Even though I had been one of their most active members.  maggiegault   May-30-07 09:50 PM   #247 
  - Excellent Post -- K&R  Hope2006   May-30-07 12:02 PM   #84 
  - "The world is full of hate"  hfojvt   May-30-07 12:07 PM   #87 
  - This thread is not about that.  lwfern   May-30-07 12:16 PM   #89 
  - Thanks, lwfern.  intheflow   May-30-07 12:14 PM   #88 
  - Psychological Warfare  19jet54   May-30-07 12:17 PM   #90 
  - I think this post misses the point in four ways.  lwfern   May-30-07 12:30 PM   #92 
     - Good post n/t  LostinVA   May-30-07 12:36 PM   #96 
     - People are sheep!  19jet54   May-30-07 12:41 PM   #98 
     - thought the sarcasm referred to the last part  lwfern   May-30-07 12:44 PM   #100 
        - On a serious note  19jet54   May-30-07 01:57 PM   #108 
           - Yep, absolutely  lwfern   May-30-07 03:47 PM   #133 
              - dialogue or monologue?  19jet54   May-30-07 04:01 PM   #134 
              - patronizing  lwfern   May-30-07 04:36 PM   #153 
                 - Damn...  19jet54   May-30-07 06:48 PM   #190 
                    - Oh, by all means, yes.  lwfern   May-30-07 07:10 PM   #201 
                       - Garp! Garp! Garp!  19jet54   May-30-07 08:10 PM   #217 
              - My thoughts exactly.  quantessd   May-30-07 04:50 PM   #163 
                 - Like the recient Supreme Court decision?  19jet54   May-30-07 06:55 PM   #195 
                 - I don't believe what men say; I believe what they do  Lydia Leftcoast   May-31-07 09:15 AM   #323 
     - #5  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 09:38 PM   #242 
  - k&r  me b zola   May-30-07 12:24 PM   #91 
  - Kick -- important OP  LostinVA   May-30-07 12:32 PM   #93 
  - K&R  Pooka Fey   May-30-07 12:33 PM   #94 
  - sexism is far from dead, but it is still invisible to some--just  bbgrunt   May-30-07 01:43 PM   #107 
  - I'm consistently stunned by the sexist language and opinions on DU. nt  MookieWilson   May-30-07 02:09 PM   #112 
     - Like post #42? nt.  Umbram   May-31-07 01:03 AM   #274 
  - Great post-though I'm not sure what happened with Cindy the past couple of days...  TheGoldenRule   May-30-07 02:09 PM   #111 
  - Moving, agreed to, thank you for posting  Anita Garcia   May-30-07 02:09 PM   #113 
  - K&R!  Karenina   May-30-07 02:38 PM   #118 
  - K & Friggin R!!  Triana   May-30-07 02:43 PM   #119 
  - k&r - there is nothing I can add to this excellent post except to thank you  yardwork   May-30-07 02:44 PM   #120 
  - Disgusting. Suppression of women is largely based on Christian thought...  Elrond Hubbard   May-30-07 02:47 PM   #122 
  - That's what happens  19jet54   May-30-07 03:12 PM   #127 
  - That's what happens when you take it literally, too  Elrond Hubbard   May-30-07 04:43 PM   #158 
  - Patriarchy, of which Christianity is a subset, but only ONE subset  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 10:43 PM   #257 
  - Jesus was quite fair in  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 04:16 PM   #383 
  - Disgusting. n/t  whereismyparty   May-30-07 03:02 PM   #124 
  - Thanks, Good post.  DemExpat   May-30-07 03:19 PM   #129 
  - Sad  Tekla West   May-30-07 03:21 PM   #131 
  - Ignorance and Hate team up to take on all sexes  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 03:46 PM   #132 
  - actually no they don't...  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:05 PM   #135 
     - So without all the ranting, your point is that women are ALWAYS victims of  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 04:22 PM   #146 
        - way to completely miss my point...  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:26 PM   #148 
        - "Ranting"? oh boy -- way to prove The OP's point.  LostinVA   May-31-07 08:38 AM   #310 
  - Check this out  Horse with no Name   May-30-07 04:05 PM   #136 
  - Verbal violence preceeds physical violence, and usually precipitates it.  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:15 PM   #139 
  - Preach it!  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:20 PM   #143 
     - I'm so sorry you've experienced this, too! There used to be some support among  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:25 PM   #147 
     - well, one thing that doesn't help...  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:28 PM   #149 
        - Absolutely. It's a clear indication that caring about the pain of others isn't  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:32 PM   #152 
           - we are so on the same wavelength  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:37 PM   #154 
              - thank you!! I remembered seeing that, but then couldn't find it to reply!  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:41 PM   #156 
                 - peace at ya  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:43 PM   #160 
                    - Ain't doin' no jackin'  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:46 PM   #161 
     - There could be all sorts of reasons.  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 04:29 PM   #150 
     - ya know...when it's almost always on threads...  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:32 PM   #151 
     - There you go again....  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:43 PM   #159 
     - I have no idea who you are and I have never replied to any of your posts  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 04:47 PM   #162 
        - way to blow what I said completely out of proportion  VelmaD   May-30-07 04:51 PM   #164 
           - I only know you from the words you have chosen to reply to my posts.  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 05:08 PM   #167 
           - "I would offer that you think a bit more"  lukasahero   May-30-07 05:35 PM   #173 
              - He's a one-man show  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 10:59 PM   #260 
           - That is complete nonsense.  Vinnie From Indy   May-31-07 08:41 AM   #313 
              - Way to go, Vinnie!!!  Karenina   May-31-07 06:17 PM   #394 
                 - Maybe he's doing a parody of the clueless.  A-Schwarzenegger   May-31-07 06:45 PM   #395 
     - BWAHAHAHAHAHA!  bobbolink   May-30-07 04:43 PM   #157 
     - No. Bullies see women as "the weaker sex" and start from there.  sfexpat2000   May-30-07 05:01 PM   #166 
     - I agree that sexist attacks on women seem to be the first  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 05:17 PM   #169 
     - I don't even think it's that polarized. How many women has Coulter  sfexpat2000   May-30-07 05:20 PM   #170 
     - From my OP  lwfern   May-30-07 05:24 PM   #171 
     - I think if you do some research  lukasahero   May-30-07 05:36 PM   #175 
     - What if the women  BoneDaddy   May-31-07 06:57 AM   #290 
        - I didn't preclude the idea that women can be bullies.  sfexpat2000   Jun-01-07 06:21 AM   #411 
        - I wasn't even gonna bother responding to that  lwfern   Jun-01-07 07:58 AM   #412 
     - Wow...  urgk   May-30-07 06:54 PM   #194 
        - You missed my point entirely  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 07:00 PM   #197 
        - Okay, let's see...  urgk   May-30-07 07:29 PM   #208 
           - Well maybe you should read the rest of her posts.  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 10:01 PM   #250 
              - "Well maybe you should read the rest of her posts."  urgk   May-30-07 10:40 PM   #256 
                 - Your response is mildly amusing  Vinnie From Indy   May-30-07 11:22 PM   #265 
                    - Let me map it out for you...  urgk   May-31-07 05:20 AM   #283 
                       - Welcome to DU!  Vinnie From Indy   May-31-07 08:01 AM   #300 
        - I think I like you.  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 11:02 PM   #262 
     - I've received hate mail for my LTTEs  lapislzi   May-31-07 08:26 AM   #308 
  - Brava lwfern!  MuseRider   May-30-07 05:10 PM   #168 
  - Hey, it's ok to discriminate against women  AbbyR   May-30-07 05:31 PM   #172 
  - Don't forget DU's own Ava. She was threatened with rape and death, and rape after death.  Straight Shooter   May-30-07 05:53 PM   #177 
  - Thank you. I cannot believe I forgot about that.  lwfern   May-30-07 06:43 PM   #188 
  - And it's ironic that her web site (and motto) is "Peace Takes Courage."  Straight Shooter   May-30-07 07:29 PM   #209 
  - What? Sick people  nam78_two   May-30-07 10:27 PM   #254 
  - But Ava's only 15, maybe 16 now?  Raksha   May-31-07 03:50 AM   #277 
     - That's the NORM, not an exception.  lwfern   May-31-07 07:10 AM   #293 
        - Exactly, lwfern...  prairierose   May-31-07 10:26 AM   #329 
  - k&r...n/t  Madspirit   May-30-07 06:09 PM   #180 
  - Kinda makes me want to send rape threats  Jed Dilligan   May-30-07 06:09 PM   #181 
  - and the reason it would be wrong ...  lwfern   May-30-07 06:48 PM   #191 
     - All right...  Jed Dilligan   May-30-07 06:52 PM   #192 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   May-30-07 06:25 PM   #185 
  - I'm glad you're back, Swamp Rat !  Lars39   May-30-07 06:41 PM   #187 
  - It's interesting how we decry the "hate" from the RW, but ... we women are supposed  bobbolink   May-30-07 07:04 PM   #199 
  - Oh my...  MrPrax   May-30-07 07:10 PM   #200 
  - I happen to agree  BoneDaddy   May-30-07 07:26 PM   #205 
  - "Never going get what you want that way." Would you be referring to equal rights we DESERVE?  bettyellen   May-30-07 09:27 PM   #233 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-07 06:51 AM   #289 
     - wow, i'm less than equal and a facist.... since i do regard your thoughts as total bullshit  bettyellen   May-31-07 07:20 AM   #295 
        - LOL  BoneDaddy   May-31-07 12:31 PM   #348 
           - oh i know it's ALL MY FAULT you like to use sexist racist words! my UPPITY + SHRILL WAYS  bettyellen   May-31-07 04:13 PM   #382 
              - Oh! So YOU'RE the one!  lwfern   May-31-07 08:16 PM   #399 
              - Do you think I really  BoneDaddy   Jun-01-07 12:26 PM   #413 
                 - you broke DU rules- which are not facist, btwand are blaming the consequnces on others, child...  bettyellen   Jun-01-07 06:05 PM   #423 
  - "Never going get what you want that way." -- wish i could nominate this post...  nashville_brook   May-31-07 08:04 AM   #301 
     - just begrudging people their equal rights because they're all uppity. can you f'ing belive it?  bettyellen   May-31-07 06:55 PM   #396 
  - Oh, My, indeed  lwfern   May-30-07 07:27 PM   #206 
  - Two points...that's it  MrPrax   May-30-07 07:41 PM   #211 
     - The founding fathers got their rights cause everyone cooperated?  lwfern   May-30-07 08:05 PM   #216 
        - That's my point...!?  MrPrax   May-30-07 09:12 PM   #228 
        - White, male landowners got their rights....the rest of us had to work at it. nt  MookieWilson   May-30-07 09:27 PM   #235 
  - Oh, look, ladies. We have an expert on the Women's Movement  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 11:15 PM   #263 
     - What?  MrPrax   May-31-07 07:10 AM   #294 
        - '" little rad butt"?  sheeptramp   May-31-07 12:49 PM   #351 
           - Why R U reply?  MrPrax   May-31-07 01:45 PM   #354 
  - K&R. Anybody who fails to see the misogyny in the attacks on Cindy  A-Schwarzenegger   May-30-07 07:42 PM   #212 
  - Thank you for posting....  femrap   May-30-07 07:43 PM   #213 
  - K & R  Totally Committed   May-30-07 07:53 PM   #214 
  - And then, when any sensitive woman is reading this kind of tripe  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 08:30 PM   #220 
  - why are we surprised that bad people do bad things?  pitohui   May-30-07 09:42 PM   #245 
     - it's pathetic to be disturbed by sexually threatening messages and we should just get used to it?  bettyellen   May-30-07 10:01 PM   #249 
     - some of these men are progressive on every other issue? no, they're not  pitohui   May-31-07 12:16 PM   #345 
     - Some of DU's oldest and "finest" members are sexist, some are  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 11:25 PM   #266 
        - so this is about crapping on other DUers? i thought it was about bad guys attacking peace activists  pitohui   May-31-07 12:38 PM   #349 
           - meanwhile basic things like equal pay get further away with each passing year  Morgana LaFey   May-31-07 11:58 PM   #408 
  - K & R, I am WOMAN, I WILL NOT BE SILENCED  smtpgirl   May-30-07 08:57 PM   #224 
  - Wonderful post.  Marie26   May-30-07 09:40 PM   #244 
  - Error: You've already recommended that thread. n/t  bear425   May-30-07 09:47 PM   #246 
  - K&R from this "hysterical, emotional" woman  nam78_two   May-30-07 10:26 PM   #253 
  - As woman and mother, I salute this post; however...  puebloknot   May-30-07 11:00 PM   #261 
  - You're the only peson I've seen attribute gender bias  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 11:35 PM   #267 
  - Maybe you just didn't happen to read the post I mentioned. I assure you...  puebloknot   May-31-07 04:09 AM   #278 
     - You misunderstood my point  Morgana LaFey   May-31-07 11:59 PM   #409 
        - "It's not worth trying to explain it to you."  puebloknot   Jun-01-07 08:22 PM   #424 
           - You misunderstood that one too  Morgana LaFey   Jun-01-07 08:33 PM   #426 
  - Great post.  jpgray   May-31-07 04:15 AM   #280 
  - Thank you! nt  puebloknot   May-31-07 04:21 AM   #282 
  - I interpret that gender bias slightly differently than you.  lwfern   May-31-07 05:46 AM   #285 
     - In fact, let's insist that they wear burlap sacks. Hairshirts, maybe...  puebloknot   May-31-07 09:10 PM   #402 
  - God, I wish it wasn't true  9thkvius   May-30-07 11:18 PM   #264 
  - Thank you, thank you  Morgana LaFey   May-30-07 11:39 PM   #268 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-07 12:07 AM   #269 
  - Men as idiots  spag68   May-31-07 12:08 AM   #270 
  - Excellent post  Der Blaue Engel   May-31-07 12:50 AM   #273 
  - Is there no way to identify these men who are posting?  mainer   May-31-07 05:32 AM   #284 
  - Because people  BoneDaddy   May-31-07 08:15 AM   #304 
     - The poster was referring to the OP, which you need to read, btw.  Lars39   May-31-07 08:31 AM   #309 
     - ah  BoneDaddy   May-31-07 08:40 AM   #312 
     - Um, actually, I think the poster is referring to ACTUAL death threats  lukasahero   May-31-07 09:08 AM   #320 
  - I completely agree... how many times even here do we see...  glowing   May-31-07 06:43 AM   #287 
  - Verbal violence is not acceptable in any form  Thor_MN   May-31-07 07:00 AM   #292 
  - It's different for any OPPRESSED GROUP. Not just women.  lwfern   May-31-07 07:31 AM   #297 
  - Best post ever.  Cults4Bush   May-31-07 07:51 AM   #298 
  - Some DU'ers do the same thing to Condoleeza Rice  1932   May-31-07 08:07 AM   #303 
  - DUers have even used racial caricatures and stereotypes of Dr. Rice  slackmaster   May-31-07 03:43 PM   #367 
  - Great post. There are still a lot of people who feel women should be submissive.  PA Democrat   May-31-07 08:15 AM   #305 
  - K & R  Le Taz Hot   May-31-07 08:21 AM   #307 
  - We don't hear enough about this  Nikki Stone1   May-31-07 08:52 AM   #314 
  - this is one of the most IMPORTANT posts on DU in some time....  mike_c   May-31-07 08:56 AM   #315 
  - Hey, you got threatened too, professor Mike  Nikki Stone1   May-31-07 09:10 AM   #322 
     - exactly-- not only did they not seriously threaten violence...  mike_c   May-31-07 09:35 AM   #326 
        - I find it terrifying how easy it is for some rather sick males to escalate to this point  Nikki Stone1   May-31-07 10:28 PM   #405 
  - Thank you for posting this  dancingAlone   May-31-07 10:16 AM   #328 
  - This is why I was SO angry when Flynt was held up as a champion of free speech here.  lwfern   May-31-07 10:26 AM   #330 
  - Can we get another KICK in?  blm   May-31-07 11:17 AM   #334 
  - I was called a fat, greasy, Mexican lesbian on another board.  Cleita   May-31-07 11:23 AM   #335 
  - ha you did what I was going to say to you when I saw your title post  themartyred   May-31-07 11:27 AM   #337 
  - Me gusta como tu piensas!  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 04:07 PM   #379 
  - I wouldn't know if it's grammatically correct. LOL!  Cleita   May-31-07 04:23 PM   #385 
     - LOL. Just so you got the meaning. My  DemBones DemBones   May-31-07 04:57 PM   #387 
        - I have never trained a dog in any language, but maybe this will  Cleita   May-31-07 05:18 PM   #388 
  - An obnoxious man once told my SO that I'm a "mouthy bitch"  lapislzi   Jun-01-07 01:38 PM   #418 
  - kick  coffeenap   May-31-07 11:24 AM   #336 
  - Hartmann is all over this issue thus morning.  Opposite Reaction   May-31-07 11:39 AM   #339 
  - And when men attack other men in that way, often they are  sfexpat2000   May-31-07 12:02 PM   #343 
     - A slight correction...  Opposite Reaction   May-31-07 12:12 PM   #344 
        - I've been thinking about this, and don't believe it works that way.  sfexpat2000   May-31-07 03:29 PM   #364 
           - Rape of men by men is still gendered violence  lwfern   May-31-07 03:58 PM   #372 
              - Oh, of course. But it's not clear to me (at all) that this is  sfexpat2000   May-31-07 04:02 PM   #376 
  - K&R!! Thank you....  KAT119   May-31-07 11:46 AM   #340 
  - Look at the Rosie/ Elizabeth spat recently  Lorien   May-31-07 11:59 AM   #342 
  - K&R.  Cabcere   May-31-07 12:51 PM   #352 
  - kicking. i agree--it's exactly what happened to cindy here. it was not a  orleans   May-31-07 01:51 PM   #355 
  - Robin Morgan's fire-breathing manifesto "Goodbye To All That"  Raksha   May-31-07 03:09 PM   #362 
  - How do I begin..  Feron   May-31-07 03:54 PM   #369 
  - I remember that post.  lwfern   May-31-07 04:20 PM   #384 
  - Oh, yes, men who are not exactly fashion plates themselves act as if  Lydia Leftcoast   May-31-07 04:48 PM   #386 
  - That's a very useful concept: Fuckable vs. unfuckable women.  Raksha   May-31-07 05:26 PM   #389 
  - Corrugated Woman  puebloknot   Jun-01-07 08:39 PM   #427 
  - Here's another woman who threatened the power structure...  Neecy   May-31-07 04:00 PM   #374 
  - "The Language War," by Robin Tolmach Lakoff  Karenina   May-31-07 06:03 PM   #393 
  - I want to thank all the strong and beautiful women for adding their voices here!  bobbolink   May-31-07 05:31 PM   #390 
  - This thread has been fabulous  gollygee   May-31-07 05:37 PM   #392 
  - Absolutely! All the roaring is uplifting!  bobbolink   Jun-01-07 05:49 PM   #421 
  - the quality of discourse is simply wonderful!  nashville_brook   Jun-01-07 01:16 PM   #415 
     - heh--- I thought I was pretty articulate, ^_^, but I"ve copied some of the  bobbolink   Jun-01-07 05:50 PM   #422 
  - Congrats, Fern... Thom Hartmann apparently referred to this post  hlthe2b   May-31-07 08:50 PM   #401 
     - Yep, I Heard It - He Referenced Fern And DU  lligrd   Jun-01-07 01:18 PM   #416 
        - Cool. I love Thom Hartmann  Nikki Stone1   Jun-02-07 10:38 PM   #434 
 

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